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Hache Man · 03-29-07, 07:31 PM

Jarrett Bounces Back

So Dwayne Jarrett had a solid Pro Day.
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A 10-foot-1 inch broad jump, 36.5-inch vertical, and two forties in the 4.6s.

On grass.

The forty times don't seem stellar, but they are what was originally expected before rumors began swirling. I'll admit I put too much credence in the NFL Network's report that Jarrett was running in the 4.7s before the Combine, so much so that I left Jarrett out of the first round in my much-belittled Mock Draft a few weeks back. Come time for Volume Two, I'll make sure to have Jarrett in Round One. I especially loved the 4.20 short shuttle. It's nearly four tenths of a second faster than Marshawn Lynch's time at the Combine.

But in general, I don't think Pro Day timing means much other than for players, like Jarrett, that completely skipped the Combine. These workouts are much more valuable to NFL officials in terms of getting to meet the players and see them up close. Rams coach Scott Linehan had about zero time to track college football last season as he prepared his team for Sundays. Granted, he has a scouting department to help out, but he's not going to take a player in the first round he isn't completely sold on, one that he hasn't met with personally. He probably could care less that Amobi Okoye ran a 4.88 on March 26 after posting a 5.0 at February's Combine. Okoye's stock didn't rise because of the Pro Day time.

But we can take a look at players that skipped all or some of the Combine drills, and see if they improved or injured their draft stocks by timing at their Pro Days this past month. Oh, and a special thanks to NFL.com's Gil Brandt for compiling the results and detailed information.

FALLING?

Notre Dame WR Rhema McKnight

Some Background: McKnight tore his ACL in Week 1 of 2005 against Michigan, took a medical redshirt, and returned to lead the Irish in receiving touchdowns as a senior. He jumped at the Combine but didn't run his forties.

What He Did: Ran a 4.56 and a 4.53.

Outcome: McKnight didn't break himself with the slow sprints but they aren't fast enough for a 6-1/210-pound receiver with injury baggage hoping to go in the top three rounds. He's staring at a middle-round grade.
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Miami (FL) DL Kareem Brown

Some Background: After a strong final campaign for the 'Canes, Brown was praised at the Senior Bowl for giving all-out effort. He drew interest from several teams in search of 3-4 defensive end prospects.

What He Did: Brown didn't lift, which isn't a good sign. His forties were in the 5.4 range, miserable for a 290-pound projected defensive end. Brown displayed weak athleticism with a 27-inch vertical and an 8-foot-5 inch broad jump.

Outcome: It's hard to see Brown going higher than the middle of the third round. Because of the high-effort reputation he's earned, he'll be on the minds of teams but Brown just isn't as athletic as we thought.

Penn State RB Tony Hunt

Some Background: Hunt was my third-rated running back last week.

What He Did: Ran his forties in 4.68 at 4.71. Hunt's short shuttle time of 4.72 was linemen-esque. His broad jump of nine-foot-two left much to be desired. Fantasy Sports - Fantasy Football* - Fantasy Sports News - Fantasy Football Mock Draft - Fantasy Basketball - Fantasy Football Advice

Outcome: I feel compelled to drop Hunt in my rankings because the long speed just isn't there like I thought it was. You don't see many starting tailbacks running 4.7s in the NFL.

Florida LB Earl Everett

Some Background: Everett was a highly productive outside linebacker for the Gators but we didn't realize how unathletic he was until he showed up at the Combine, where he ran a disastrous 4.88 forty.

What He Did: Not much changed on Everett's home turf. In front of an estimated 100 NFL personnel, he ran forties of 4.82 and 4.73. Everett didn't jump at the Combine or at his Pro Day.

Outcome: I loved Everett in college but he simply lacks speed and seems to be hiding that he's a sub par athlete. He'll likely have a career as a reserve and be a late fourth- or fifth-round pick in April.

Georgia OT Daniel Inman

Some Background: Inman was a highly touted recruit who appeared to be rising until his senior season. The 2005 All-SEC pick was suspended for Weeks 1 and 2 and struggled in pass protection in 2006. Inman wasn't invited to the Combine.

What He Did: Turned in an utterly despicable workout. Inman ran both his forties in the 5.8s, got 25 inches off the ground vertically, and benched 225 13 times.

Outcome: I believe there are people reading this that could've equaled or even bested what Inman did at his Pro Day. He could be overlooked completely in April. The Player's Paradise

LSU DE Chase Pittman

Some Background: Pittman (6-5/270) had 6.5 sacks as a senior with the Tigers. He's viewed as a high-motor prospect and took reps as an outside linebacker at the Senior Bowl.

What He Did: Pittman ran his forties in 5.03 and 5.09, terrible for a defensive end. He displayed couch potato-type athleticism with jumps of 27.5 inches (vertical) and eight-foot-six (broad).

Outcome: It doesn't say much about the Niners' people that they even considered Pittman worth trying at such a speed-needy position in February. He's a second-day pick at best.

Other Notes:

New Hampshire WR David Ball showed why he didn't run at the Combine by trudging forty yards in 4.73 and 4.70 seconds. Ball was recruited to run track and field, so there's no excuse for the slow times. He will be drafted late.
Auburn OG Tim Duckworth benched 225 fewer times (19) than he did at the Combine (20). He also shed weight to run unimpressive forties of 5.38 and 5.41. Duckworth is looking like a fifth- or sixth-round pick.
South Carolina ATHLETE Syvelle Newton has not shown enough speed to play wideout in the NFL this offseason. He ran his forty in 4.77 and may be better served trying out as a defensive back going forward.
West Virginia LB Kevin "Boo" McClee ran times of 4.97 and 4.99. The 6-2/244-pounder is currently looking like a one-dimensional 3-4 inside linebacker and a late-round pick.
Oklahoma OLB Rufus Alexander, one of the most praised players at his position for much of his college career, improved on his Combine forty by posting a 4.73 and a 4.69, but still wasn't scintillating. He'll have a tough time making it into Round Two.

RISING?

Ohio State WR Roy Hall

Some Background: The 6-3/240-pound Hall entered spring football in 2006 set to compete to start with Anthony Gonzalez outside. He fell out of the competition early, and eventually behind young Brians Hartline and Robiskie on the depth chart.

What He Did: Ran forties of 4.41 and 4.42. His short shuttle time was 4.13 and he continued to impress with his jumps, reaching 37.5 inches on the vertical and 10-foot-3 inches with his long leap.

Outcome: There will still likely be questions about his work ethic considering his depth-chart tumble in 2006, but this workout may have been just enough for someone to take a late flier. Hall could be viewed as a tight end in the Randy McMichael mold.

Nebraska S Andrew Shanle

Some Background: Scott's little brother took over a starting role for the first time in his college career as a five-year senior. He played safety, a position at which the 'Huskers have produced second-round picks the past two seasons (Josh and Daniel Bullocks). Shanle picked off four passes in 2006.

What He Did: Running of FieldTurf, a surface deemed legit for estimating long speed, Shanle clocked in at 4.4 flat twice. He ran a 4.09 short shuttle, which is near incredible for a 6-1/212-pound safety. Shanle's vertical was 38.5 inches, his broad jump 9-foot-11.

Outcome: Shanle is now firmly on the late-round radar. It's questionable whether he'll ever be more than a reserve or third safety in the league, but might be a Kevin Kaesviharn-type sleeper.

Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn

Some Background: Rotoworld QBs Column

What He Did: Weighed 233 and ran forties of 4.82 and 4.73. Quinn also shuttled 20 yards in 4.22, which is very good. His vertical was 36 inches and his long jump 9-foot-7.

Outcome: Quinn is my No. 1 quarterback to start, so I'll take another jab at JaMarcus Russell here. At his Pro Day, Russell did nothing other than run his 4.83 forty after losing five pounds and throw passes. Quinn took part in every single offseason drill, including the 24 reps of 225 he pushed at the Combine. If he doesn't go to Cleveland at 3, someone should trade up for Quinn at 4. He won't fall past Minnesota at 7. Russell could.

Akron G Andy Alleman

Some Background: Though you probably haven't heard of him, Alleman (6-4/306) is a prospect on the rise. He had a huge senior season blocking for the prolific and underrated Luke Getsy and looks like a first-day pick.

What He Did: Shuttled 20 yards in a running back-like 4.38 seconds and benched 225 30 times. Alleman has the computer numbers to succeed in any offensive scheme.

Outcome: Ben Grubbs of Auburn is the consensus No. 1 guard at this point with Arron Sears of Tennessee and Texas' Justin Blalock two of the bigger names high on media draft boards. Alleman could be drafted before all three.

Texas A&M DE Jason Jack

Some Background: A surprise early entrant who wasn't even invited to the Combine, Jack (6-4/265) seemed never to improve after earning a starting job as a freshman. His production and decision to skip his senior year both raise question marks.

What He Did: Ran 4.90 and 4.92 forties. Jack had a respectable 33-inch vertical and pushed the 225-pound bar 21 times. He had a 9-foot-8 inch broad jump. The workout was on FieldTurf.

Draft-Day Prediction: After a decent showing, Jack might slip into the seventh round. 24 teams were represented at the Aggies' Pro Day, so if Jack gave the impression he has his head on straight, he'll have a good shot to be drafted.

Other Notes:

Northern Illinois RB Garrett Wolfe shook off the hamstring he pulled at the Senior Bowl to run forties of 4.39 and 4.43. The 5-7 Wolfe, who has been compared to Darren Sproles, should be drafted late in April.
Brown LB Zak DeOssie had a short shuttle of 4.03 after running a 4.58 forty at the Combine. These are insane times considering DeOssie is 6-4/250. They'd be great if he was 6-3/220. There should be a war in New England if DeOssie is not a Patriot this summer.
Houston RB/FB Jackie Battle ran on a fast track but clocked in at 4.42 and 4.43 in the forty, benched 225 19 times, and short shuttled in 4.11. He'll probably be a late-round pick.
Ohio State QB Justin Zwick (6-4/230), or "the forgotten man," ran forties of 4.77 and 4.78. His story is somewhat similar to that of Matt Cassel a few years ago. Zwick, a huge recruit coming to OSU, could go in the seventh round.
West Virginia WR Brandon Myles, who was a standout at the Senior Bowl after playing in a run-heavy offense at WVU, clocked forty times of 4.41 and 4.44. His broad jump was 10 feet, 11 inches. It would not be a surprise to see the underrated Myles go on the first day in April.

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Hache Man Moderator "Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak" Join Date: Aug 19, 2005 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 63,943	Re: Fantasy Football News 2007 Jarrett Bounces Back So Dwayne Jarrett had a solid Pro Day. Sports Betting at Eye On Gambling - Discuss Online Sportsbooks; Handicapping; and Free Picks A 10-foot-1 inch broad jump, 36.5-inch vertical, and two forties in the 4.6s. On grass. The forty times don't seem stellar, but they are what was originally expected before rumors began swirling. I'll admit I put too much credence in the NFL Network's report that Jarrett was running in the 4.7s before the Combine, so much so that I left Jarrett out of the first round in my much-belittled Mock Draft a few weeks back. Come time for Volume Two, I'll make sure to have Jarrett in Round One. I especially loved the 4.20 short shuttle. It's nearly four tenths of a second faster than Marshawn Lynch's time at the Combine. But in general, I don't think Pro Day timing means much other than for players, like Jarrett, that completely skipped the Combine. These workouts are much more valuable to NFL officials in terms of getting to meet the players and see them up close. Rams coach Scott Linehan had about zero time to track college football last season as he prepared his team for Sundays. Granted, he has a scouting department to help out, but he's not going to take a player in the first round he isn't completely sold on, one that he hasn't met with personally. He probably could care less that Amobi Okoye ran a 4.88 on March 26 after posting a 5.0 at February's Combine. Okoye's stock didn't rise because of the Pro Day time. But we can take a look at players that skipped all or some of the Combine drills, and see if they improved or injured their draft stocks by timing at their Pro Days this past month. Oh, and a special thanks to NFL.com's Gil Brandt for compiling the results and detailed information. FALLING? Notre Dame WR Rhema McKnight Some Background: McKnight tore his ACL in Week 1 of 2005 against Michigan, took a medical redshirt, and returned to lead the Irish in receiving touchdowns as a senior. He jumped at the Combine but didn't run his forties. What He Did: Ran a 4.56 and a 4.53. Outcome: McKnight didn't break himself with the slow sprints but they aren't fast enough for a 6-1/210-pound receiver with injury baggage hoping to go in the top three rounds. He's staring at a middle-round grade. eog.com Miami (FL) DL Kareem Brown Some Background: After a strong final campaign for the 'Canes, Brown was praised at the Senior Bowl for giving all-out effort. He drew interest from several teams in search of 3-4 defensive end prospects. What He Did: Brown didn't lift, which isn't a good sign. His forties were in the 5.4 range, miserable for a 290-pound projected defensive end. Brown displayed weak athleticism with a 27-inch vertical and an 8-foot-5 inch broad jump. Outcome: It's hard to see Brown going higher than the middle of the third round. Because of the high-effort reputation he's earned, he'll be on the minds of teams but Brown just isn't as athletic as we thought. Penn State RB Tony Hunt Some Background: Hunt was my third-rated running back last week. What He Did: Ran his forties in 4.68 at 4.71. Hunt's short shuttle time of 4.72 was linemen-esque. His broad jump of nine-foot-two left much to be desired. Fantasy Sports - Fantasy Football* - Fantasy Sports News - Fantasy Football Mock Draft - Fantasy Basketball - Fantasy Football Advice Outcome: I feel compelled to drop Hunt in my rankings because the long speed just isn't there like I thought it was. You don't see many starting tailbacks running 4.7s in the NFL. Florida LB Earl Everett Some Background: Everett was a highly productive outside linebacker for the Gators but we didn't realize how unathletic he was until he showed up at the Combine, where he ran a disastrous 4.88 forty. What He Did: Not much changed on Everett's home turf. In front of an estimated 100 NFL personnel, he ran forties of 4.82 and 4.73. Everett didn't jump at the Combine or at his Pro Day. Outcome: I loved Everett in college but he simply lacks speed and seems to be hiding that he's a sub par athlete. He'll likely have a career as a reserve and be a late fourth- or fifth-round pick in April. Georgia OT Daniel Inman Some Background: Inman was a highly touted recruit who appeared to be rising until his senior season. The 2005 All-SEC pick was suspended for Weeks 1 and 2 and struggled in pass protection in 2006. Inman wasn't invited to the Combine. What He Did: Turned in an utterly despicable workout. Inman ran both his forties in the 5.8s, got 25 inches off the ground vertically, and benched 225 13 times. Outcome: I believe there are people reading this that could've equaled or even bested what Inman did at his Pro Day. He could be overlooked completely in April. The Player's Paradise LSU DE Chase Pittman Some Background: Pittman (6-5/270) had 6.5 sacks as a senior with the Tigers. He's viewed as a high-motor prospect and took reps as an outside linebacker at the Senior Bowl. What He Did: Pittman ran his forties in 5.03 and 5.09, terrible for a defensive end. He displayed couch potato-type athleticism with jumps of 27.5 inches (vertical) and eight-foot-six (broad). Outcome: It doesn't say much about the Niners' people that they even considered Pittman worth trying at such a speed-needy position in February. He's a second-day pick at best. Other Notes: New Hampshire WR David Ball showed why he didn't run at the Combine by trudging forty yards in 4.73 and 4.70 seconds. Ball was recruited to run track and field, so there's no excuse for the slow times. He will be drafted late. Auburn OG Tim Duckworth benched 225 fewer times (19) than he did at the Combine (20). He also shed weight to run unimpressive forties of 5.38 and 5.41. Duckworth is looking like a fifth- or sixth-round pick. South Carolina ATHLETE Syvelle Newton has not shown enough speed to play wideout in the NFL this offseason. He ran his forty in 4.77 and may be better served trying out as a defensive back going forward. West Virginia LB Kevin "Boo" McClee ran times of 4.97 and 4.99. The 6-2/244-pounder is currently looking like a one-dimensional 3-4 inside linebacker and a late-round pick. Oklahoma OLB Rufus Alexander, one of the most praised players at his position for much of his college career, improved on his Combine forty by posting a 4.73 and a 4.69, but still wasn't scintillating. He'll have a tough time making it into Round Two. RISING? Ohio State WR Roy Hall Some Background: The 6-3/240-pound Hall entered spring football in 2006 set to compete to start with Anthony Gonzalez outside. He fell out of the competition early, and eventually behind young Brians Hartline and Robiskie on the depth chart. What He Did: Ran forties of 4.41 and 4.42. His short shuttle time was 4.13 and he continued to impress with his jumps, reaching 37.5 inches on the vertical and 10-foot-3 inches with his long leap. Outcome: There will still likely be questions about his work ethic considering his depth-chart tumble in 2006, but this workout may have been just enough for someone to take a late flier. Hall could be viewed as a tight end in the Randy McMichael mold. Nebraska S Andrew Shanle Some Background: Scott's little brother took over a starting role for the first time in his college career as a five-year senior. He played safety, a position at which the 'Huskers have produced second-round picks the past two seasons (Josh and Daniel Bullocks). Shanle picked off four passes in 2006. What He Did: Running of FieldTurf, a surface deemed legit for estimating long speed, Shanle clocked in at 4.4 flat twice. He ran a 4.09 short shuttle, which is near incredible for a 6-1/212-pound safety. Shanle's vertical was 38.5 inches, his broad jump 9-foot-11. Outcome: Shanle is now firmly on the late-round radar. It's questionable whether he'll ever be more than a reserve or third safety in the league, but might be a Kevin Kaesviharn-type sleeper. Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn Some Background: Rotoworld QBs Column What He Did: Weighed 233 and ran forties of 4.82 and 4.73. Quinn also shuttled 20 yards in 4.22, which is very good. His vertical was 36 inches and his long jump 9-foot-7. Outcome: Quinn is my No. 1 quarterback to start, so I'll take another jab at JaMarcus Russell here. At his Pro Day, Russell did nothing other than run his 4.83 forty after losing five pounds and throw passes. Quinn took part in every single offseason drill, including the 24 reps of 225 he pushed at the Combine. If he doesn't go to Cleveland at 3, someone should trade up for Quinn at 4. He won't fall past Minnesota at 7. Russell could. Akron G Andy Alleman Some Background: Though you probably haven't heard of him, Alleman (6-4/306) is a prospect on the rise. He had a huge senior season blocking for the prolific and underrated Luke Getsy and looks like a first-day pick. What He Did: Shuttled 20 yards in a running back-like 4.38 seconds and benched 225 30 times. Alleman has the computer numbers to succeed in any offensive scheme. Outcome: Ben Grubbs of Auburn is the consensus No. 1 guard at this point with Arron Sears of Tennessee and Texas' Justin Blalock two of the bigger names high on media draft boards. Alleman could be drafted before all three. Texas A&M DE Jason Jack Some Background: A surprise early entrant who wasn't even invited to the Combine, Jack (6-4/265) seemed never to improve after earning a starting job as a freshman. His production and decision to skip his senior year both raise question marks. What He Did: Ran 4.90 and 4.92 forties. Jack had a respectable 33-inch vertical and pushed the 225-pound bar 21 times. He had a 9-foot-8 inch broad jump. The workout was on FieldTurf. Draft-Day Prediction: After a decent showing, Jack might slip into the seventh round. 24 teams were represented at the Aggies' Pro Day, so if Jack gave the impression he has his head on straight, he'll have a good shot to be drafted. Other Notes: Northern Illinois RB Garrett Wolfe shook off the hamstring he pulled at the Senior Bowl to run forties of 4.39 and 4.43. The 5-7 Wolfe, who has been compared to Darren Sproles, should be drafted late in April. Brown LB Zak DeOssie had a short shuttle of 4.03 after running a 4.58 forty at the Combine. These are insane times considering DeOssie is 6-4/250. They'd be great if he was 6-3/220. There should be a war in New England if DeOssie is not a Patriot this summer. Houston RB/FB Jackie Battle ran on a fast track but clocked in at 4.42 and 4.43 in the forty, benched 225 19 times, and short shuttled in 4.11. He'll probably be a late-round pick. Ohio State QB Justin Zwick (6-4/230), or "the forgotten man," ran forties of 4.77 and 4.78. His story is somewhat similar to that of Matt Cassel a few years ago. Zwick, a huge recruit coming to OSU, could go in the seventh round. West Virginia WR Brandon Myles, who was a standout at the Senior Bowl after playing in a run-heavy offense at WVU, clocked forty times of 4.41 and 4.44. His broad jump was 10 feet, 11 inches. It would not be a surprise to see the underrated Myles go on the first day in April.