At what point in time did the offshore sports betting world peak?

[Zeke]

I suppose it would be very easy to point back to about just before NT and Pinnacle left the USA.

Second part of my question, will we ever see it soar past where it was at say about 18 months ago?

What will it take for the industry to return to glory?

[andrew748]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I suppose it would be very easy to point back to about just before NT and Pinnacle left the USA.

Second part of my question, will we ever see it soar past where it was at say about 18 months ago?

What will it take for the industry to return to glory?

less ghosts

[THE SHRINK]

Andrew,

That's a very shallow answer with an alterior motive behind it. If posters don't use their real names to post, isn't that ghosting as well?

If a poster uses more than one handle, it has always been our policy to allow FREE SPEECH so long as none of the handles violates rules which are fairly lenient around here...

When Shrink's 1-5 were created elsewhere to attack me and my Family on another forum, I never saw a post such as this coming from you...

Now Zeke,

You deserve a REAL answer so let me try...

I believe when the banking issues clear up, our industry will begin to prosper again, period...

[andrew748]

?

not sure what you're referring to with the other site.

i'm sure you will provide examples.

just seems weird that you allow or possibly even encourage ghosting.

i've made some e-friends here and i don't enjoy seeing them being played like this.

[THE SHRINK]

andrew,

The site was OGD where u worked!

As a paid employee here at EOG, I expected better out of you...

Would you like me to air some of your dirty laundry here in Public?

Your reply did not answer the poster's question and u know it!

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Back to the question...


I think the best is yet to come.

[THE SHRINK]

Thanks Jimmy and I wholeheartedly agree with you...

I see the industry as a pendulum which eventually hits an equilibrium...

Things should get better soon...

[andrew748]

in response to "zeke's" question.

until your gov't decides whether it is going to change it's stance on the legality of on-line gambling and payment processing becomes more regulated and easier, then no i don't think that happy times will be here for a while at least not for the US end of the industry.

it's hard to see why the govt' would change it's stance when an industry relies so heavily on multiple identities and and miss-information.

[Mudcat]

Very strange direction this discussion has gone. As is so often the case here, I feel like I'm on the outside of an inside joke.

At the risk of upsetting anyone further, I feel you could make a very good case that ghosting has a large, negative effect on offshore sportsbetting. It is negative when players have multiple accounts at sportsbooks for the purposes of scalping or circumventing limits. That's why those rules against it are in place.

And it is negative in advertising and posting forums when shills and touts use ghosts to con players into making bad moves. That probably doesn't hurt anything in the small picture - having more "dumb" money around is probably good for the industry - but it just has a scumming up effect that probably turns a lot of people away.


Biggest thing that would help: the offshore industry needs more Americans back. Easier said than done of course.

[Mudcat]

I suppose the thing I should say at this point is: VOTE RON PAUL !!!

[batemanpatrickl]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I suppose the thing I should say at this point is: VOTE RON PAUL !!!

I am sure ALL Americans will follow the voting advice of a Canadian.

[sean1]

The banking is getting better.

Books that want to (both some big and some small) can get a bank wire to you in 2 days... I've seen it happen a few time recently.

I believe the industry will prosper again when books are no longer given a pass on 2-4 week withdrawals. It seems acceptable these days. When players and forums unite and refuse to give action to books that don't pay in 2-3 days, the industry will grow again and weed out the crap...

Sean

[The Devil]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I suppose it would be very easy to point back to about just before NT and Pinnacle left the USA.

Second part of my question, will we ever see it soar past where it was at say about 18 months ago?

What will it take for the industry to return to glory?

I DOUBT IF WE WILL EVER GET BACK TO WHERE THERE WERE 300-400 SPORT BOOKS ON COSTA RICA, CURACAO, MARGARITA, BELIZE, ANTIGUA, ARUBA AND COUNTLESS OTHER ISLANDS AND COUNTRIES...............CUSTOMERS THAT GOT BURNED IN THE PAST FROM SOME SHILL OPERATIONS ARE WISER.........POSTING FORUMS HAVE HELPED (SOMEWHAT) ON WHO CAN BE TRUSTED AND WHO CAN'T.........

BUT GAMBLERS WANT TO GAMBLE ON SPORTS.........WHILE I DOUBT WE WILL SEE THE NUMBERS OF BOOKS AS IN THE PAST......I DO BELIEVE THE VOLUME WILL BE LARGER IN THE COMING YEARS.........AND THE MAINSTAYS OF TODAY, WSEX, PINNY, GREEK, BETJAM AND THE CRIS' OF THE WORLD WILL GET LARGER AND LARGER AND SWALLOW UP THE SMALL PLACES.......

[Cobbler]

So is Zeke a Journeyman ghost?

Might explain Shrink's over-reaction to Andrew's routine comment.

[Pastorsinalot]

Sportsbook betting not getting better soon. Only poker part my get better soon. Indians paying off people to make it hard for Americans to play online. I wish it was not true, but it is. Its is real dangerous for a American to own a forum that allow illegal sports books

[wizofescazu]

post up will never be the same..PPH is gaining momentum..Its back to the corner bookie sending players offshore to quality establishments who handle their businesses..in CR at least the trees shook and the bad apples I believe to mostly be gone..The guys who remain are passionate pros who work hard to gain trust and handle at times complex packages..the software is being developed in the credit world to be agent friendly..

[Cobbler]

Originally Posted by THE SHRINK

As a paid employee here at EOG, I expected better out of you...
Would you like me to air some of your dirty laundry here in Public?
Your reply did not answer the poster's question and u know it!

Damn...I've been waiting all for a rat to air Andrew's dirty laundry. No such luck I guess.

I agree with Wiz. PPH shops are the way of the future until the law changes. The big books will remain; the others will go where they belong.

[THE SHRINK]

Damn Cobbler,

Make up your mind....
Didn't you post this elsewhere 20 minutes ago?

"It used to be the Rx was the gambler's version of kindergarten. Now EOG is making a strong move. I'm done with the place. I lose brain cells every time I read/post over there."

[mofome]

Originally Posted by Cobbler

So is Zeke a Journeyman ghost?

Might explain Shrink's over-reaction to Andrew's routine comment.

[THE SHRINK]

you drinking this early?

[mofome]

Originally Posted by THE SHRINK

you drinking this early?

not yet, but i am bored out of my mind.

[Ball Rash]