Re: If You Think that They're SCAMDICAPPERS WHY...
If Dave doesn't need anybody's money then why is he threatening legal action over this? Apparently HE feels he needs some more money; if I were willing to waste my money on his picks I would make sure they got posted anywhere and everywhere just to spite him.
Do you always speak with authority about issues you know absolutely nothing about? I have decided to stop posting because of the general attitude that you displayed which is passively endorsed by this site because there is no policy against posting proprietary information. (to be fair, the General stated when contacted by the handicapper or his site that they would not allow, when they see it, post to be made of their selections --- but then he said he would get email addresses to people willing to provide the stolen information)
I suspect that everyone here expects to be paid when they work. When advertisers advertise here, they pay. When moderators do their thing, they are paid. Regardless of how well handicappers do , if they choose to sell their work, they should be paid. What is wrong with that? The issue is only if they lie about their results.
Sure, most including me, who have ever paid for picks have been lied to and taken for a sucker. There are doctors who get paid for killing people as well.
Phillip, my name is Alan ---- if you are ever lucky enough to know Dave Malinsky as I do, you will wonder how you could have ever made the post you have made in this thread. I understand that you do not like touts --- perhaps that would have been a better way of expressing yourself. But, unlike Russ who respects you for posting your name, I have no respect for you because you clearly are talking about someone who you know NOTHING about other than he is a professional handicapper.
I sat in an airplane for 9.5 hours last week to have the privilage of buying Dave dinner. I wanted to send him a gift certificate and he would not accept it without me being there in person. He is as Russ said, one of the sharpest minds in sports betting. He moves numbers with his opinions and backs those opinions with his money.
For the record, Dave likely knows nothing about the issue here the last several days. He generally does not have the time to waste reading forums and responding to people who may or may not have a clue about what they are posting with authority. Dave does a write-up on each play he post at the web site he works for. Reading those write-ups give a consistant level of insight that most professional and non-professional players will never be able to attain. The web site that he provides his work on likely has expressed their displeasure with this site for allowing his work to be posted. Just as this site is in business to make money, that web site is also in business to make money and not have their proprietary information stolen.
It is a shame that the "tout" industry has such a well deserved bad reputation. It is disgraceful that you will take shots at someone who has done nothing but consistantly produce quality work with the highest standard of honesty and integrity. Regardless of what people do, it is difficult to be the best. Dave is one of the most gracious and humble people I know. He would be successful at anything he had chosen to do. You have made a poor decision not to buy his picks but if you did, I think that soon you would realize that you owed him the respect he earns and not want to post his work. Dave earns peoples respect through his amazing insight and ability to sort through the minefield on a consistant basis.
It is comical how people expect something for nothing. Russ started a web site with the thought that a quality honest professional handicapping product could be successful as a business venture. All you can ask from a handicapper is for them to do the work and provide honest results. That business model was modified by owners to the point that Russ felt the need to resign and left a successful site.
Phillip, I suspect that you do not realize that this site pays some of the posters to post their plays. That is the business model for EOG and a damn good one. I am sure that you read with interest Bucsfan's, Trace's, Russ's, Arne's, Jimmy Rotunda's and others opinions. Chances are that some of these guys are actually getting paid for their work to be posted here. What a disgraceful novel idea --- someone getting paid for their work and earning a living. I suspect that there are people that post here that are not actually mods that are paid in some form or other.
Each person that goes to the EOG bash is being paid via that party for their participation on this site. What a disgraceful idea to reward someone for being part of a hugely successful business model.
I am a square and somehow believe that right is right and wrong is wrong. It is wrong to lie and it is wrong to steal.
It is because of attitudes like yours that make this medium fall short of the utopia it could be of providing sports information. Why you ask? Many folks who actually have a clue do not want to give people like you the benifit of their experience.
Alan
