The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

[Chuck Sims]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

cinci, thats too bad you were unable to save your friend from BetOnSports. If posters only knew their post-up funds are not even secured, in most cases already spent at places like BetUS.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Chuck, alot of guys like myself that read these boards for book info appreciate what guys like you and JC post here and elsewhere.

I cannot understand why guys that read these boards still play at shit books like betus and bos before they went tits up.

A good bonus and soft lines mean nothing when certain books are going to stiff and otherwise wiggle out of paying what they owe.

 

[wits1]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

My friend XXXX XXXXXXX which I reffered to Betus/sharkcasino (311XXX) has heard every complaint and I have tried contacting every person and no payouts since 12-12-06. He deposited nearly 70k in betus and almost the same in sharkcasino over a 3 month period. The manager at betus (Steve Fink ext. 6610) suggested he try their other casino sharkcasino.com. XXXX finally wins 50k and asks for a payout 12-8-06 and recieved 10k so far. Steve and Ron at ext. 3515 transfered 10k from sharkcasino to play sports at betus and they ( payout dept.)tried to claim it was bonus money. This was REAL MONEY transfered from shark. Ron supposedly is no longer there? Since that time nothing but empty promises, lost Fedex checks, we entered your bank transfer incorrectly, owner is not around, have not seen owner in over 3 weeks, owner has to approve, All had to relocate to Canada because it was too hot with the feds, we did not get our paychecks either,it will be in your neteller in a day or two, we are not paying anyone from 12-22-06 till 1-3-07, without +++++++++++++++ signature we can not approve it, The owner is currently running from the feds, and the best one is its boxing day in Canada and the banks are closed.
Please do not go through this with these crooks as I have many MANY hours logged trying to get paid and they are running out of excuses.

 

[SBR_John]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Defending a Shit Book Guide
Rule #46
When you are simply unable to defend a shit book because possibly they stole another players money, they are in slow pay mode, stop making payouts while accepting deposits, ect., always attack those posters trying to expose said shit book.

 

[dirty]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Welcome aboard Wits...contact general@eog.com and he will do what he can....

 

[wits1]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Dirty,
Thanks for the support and I hope the General is able to contact the owner (s) in regards to this as they have not been able to be reached since 12-10-06 and looks like they are all in Canada till they decide what to do with most peoples money.

 

[dirty]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

We have been in contact with management since then for a fact as I was on the phone with them as well...General will do all he can... we know of people on this site that have been paid since the first of the year... have faith and Keep as much as you can off the forums and work behind the scenes and EOG will do what it can to help you. PLease email him every detail of the situation and he will get on on it Pronto

 

[Dell Dude]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

In Bet US's defense, they did send me a free DVD of their swimsuit model shoot.

:+signs1$5

 

[TOW]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

cincy,

Thank you for your question.

You are a long time poster, unlike many others around here, therefore I will give you a reply that can enlighten you and newbies alike.

Lets begin with RichCoast. Yes, I did make that post based on direct and indirect experience. Back in those days RCS had set a payout performance screen on their site. They hadn't missed a beat and processed the last payout one hour before "initiating" the transfer of assets to an obscure operation, bookthebet.

It was December 27 2005 when this happened. I recall the date since I was spending my Christmas vacation with the family.

I then immediately returned to the office and brokered the transfer of all 143 RCS players to BetCRIS, which took place in the morning of December 31 2005.

Once again, based on direct and indirect payout experience the post was correct at the time it was made. Nor there was any signal that things would have gone in a much different way few days after.

Sportsbook rating and reporting is a road paved with mistakes. I've made my share, SBR has made his.

Example is Blue Marlin, a Costa Rica based operation SBR had rated B- and up for consideration for its recommended list 2 days before they tanked.

Or I could mention the other known one, the B+ Betpanam, SBR recommeded list 2 months after opening, still a C+ 4 weeks into slow pay on January 2004.

Now here comes an additional consideration, facts you are certainly aware of as a long time poster, but newbies may not know.

RCS - transfer of balances with no strings attached which I personally brokered with BetCRIS.

Blue Marlin - 42 of the 167 account balance holders bailed out in my capacity of managing director of Royal.

Betpanam - 43 of the 78 remaining players paid cash (76% of their account balance) I got paid after a year long fight with the Panamanian government.

I could also add the 412 account holders of Gamblers Avenue, also bailed out (no match deposit required, 5x rollover) in my capacity of managing director of royal.

You may also add other bailout options I brokered on behalf of players: the 29 bailouts of Betonstars, 87 of No Juice, 15 of Bet4aces, not to mention the over $28K my insurance program paid out to several players.

There's many more I lost count of.

You see cincy, you mention credibility. I add accountability. Given we're all humans we are all entitled to make mistakes, and everyone in this business has made its own share.

The difference is set by the few who remained accountable to their mistakes and the many who slipped away from the problems by fingerpointing at others.

Its a huge difference, IMHO.

Now back to Jay. In the early months of 2005 I was following the Alladin Gold case. I was in touch with Kaye McDonald back then. She "seemed" a decent person.

She promised me she would have expedited the legal procedings against Eddie Hadeed, the owner of AG.

Months went by and nothing had been done. Jay put me in touch with Mark Mendel, who also promised to look into the matter with the Antiguan government top officials. Another dead end.

One year later I was speaking to Jay on the phone. He agreed that Eddie Hadeed deserved to be behind bars and that getting him in a cell was not something too hard to achieve in normal circumstances.

To date Eddie Hadeed continues to enjoy impunity.

I would have nothing to say on Jay if he'd start three threads a week: one on Royal, one on BetUS and ONE on Antigua and its lack of action on Alladin Gold. The latter is missing. There is where my problem with Jay begins.

Jay is not dumb, he actually has access to info most don't. He could EASILY expose the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming and the Antiguan government for what they are.

His voice could have a greater impact than all the voices of all gambling portals combined. My problem with him is that he doesn't, he prefers to remain shamelessly silent albeit having FULL Knowledge of what wrong has been done and what and who could repair it.

In this respect his threads about betus and royal lose their initial candor. You can't discriminate who is a good crook and who is bad crook. A wannabe White Knight should call a crook a crook, regardless of convenience, agendas, interests or friendship.

And now lets analyze the BoS situation for a second. Tons of ink and gigabytes of cyberspace have been spent on the issue. However try to provide an answer to the following questions:

1) Which was the ONLY portal has provided BoS players instructions on how to file with the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming, licensing body of BoS?

2) Which was the ONLY portal has pushed Antigua to take action, albeit what they have done is window dressing more than anything else?

3) Which portal is currently assisting players who are filing against BoS?

There's a common answer to all three questions, and the answer is the "much despised" theonlinewire.

I don't expect sbr to lift a finger in this mess, he didn't with Betpanam, why should he now.

EOG and TheRX have been quietly supportive of the efforts, which is perfectly fine.

Which voice is missing then? The most influential one with Antigua. The one of Jay Cohen. That's my problem.

I hope this answers your question. BOL for 2007 to you.

 

[rainbow]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

cincy,

Thank you for your question.

You are a long time poster, unlike many others around here, therefore I will give you a reply that can enlighten you and newbies alike.

Lets begin with RichCoast. Yes, I did make that post based on direct and indirect experience. Back in those days RCS had set a payout performance screen on their site. They hadn't missed a beat and processed the last payout one hour before "initiating" the transfer of assets to an obscure operation, bookthebet.

It was December 27 2005 when this happened. I recall the date since I was spending my Christmas vacation with the family.

I then immediately returned to the office and brokered the transfer of all 143 RCS players to BetCRIS, which took place in the morning of December 31 2005.

Once again, based on direct and indirect payout experience the post was correct at the time it was made. Nor there was any signal that things would have gone in a much different way few days after.

Sportsbook rating and reporting is a road paved with mistakes. I've made my share, SBR has made his.

Example is Blue Marlin, a Costa Rica based operation SBR had rated B- and up for consideration for its recommended list 2 days before they tanked.

Or I could mention the other known one, the B+ Betpanam, SBR recommeded list 2 months after opening, still a C+ 4 weeks into slow pay on January 2004.

Now here comes an additional consideration, facts you are certainly aware of as a long time poster, but newbies may not know.

RCS - transfer of balances with no strings attached which I personally brokered with BetCRIS.

Blue Marlin - 42 of the 167 account balance holders bailed out in my capacity of managing director of Royal.

Betpanam - 43 of the 78 remaining players paid cash (76% of their account balance) I got paid after a year long fight with the Panamanian government.

I could also add the 412 account holders of Gamblers Avenue, also bailed out (no match deposit required, 5x rollover) in my capacity of managing director of royal.

You may also add other bailout options I brokered on behalf of players: the 29 bailouts of Betonstars, 87 of No Juice, 15 of Bet4aces, not to mention the over $28K my insurance program paid out to several players.

There's many more I lost count of.

You see cincy, you mention credibility. I add accountability. Given we're all humans we are all entitled to make mistakes, and everyone in this business has made its own share.

The difference is set by the few who remained accountable to their mistakes and the many who slipped away from the problems by fingerpointing at others.

Its a huge difference, IMHO.

Now back to Jay. In the early months of 2005 I was following the Alladin Gold case. I was in touch with Kaye McDonald back then. She "seemed" a decent person.

She promised me she would have expedited the legal procedings against Eddie Hadeed, the owner of AG.

Months went by and nothing had been done. Jay put me in touch with Mark Mendel, who also promised to look into the matter with the Antiguan government top officials. Another dead end.

One year later I was speaking to Jay on the phone. He agreed that Eddie Hadeed deserved to be behind bars and that getting him in a cell was not something too hard to achieve in normal circumstances.

To date Eddie Hadeed continues to enjoy impunity.

I would have nothing to say on Jay if he'd start three threads a week: one on Royal, one on BetUS and ONE on Antigua and its lack of action on Alladin Gold. The latter is missing. There is where my problem with Jay begins.

Jay is not dumb, he actually has access to info most don't. He could EASILY expose the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming and the Antiguan government for what they are.

His voice could have a greater impact than all the voices of all gambling portals combined. My problem with him is that he doesn't, he prefers to remain shamelessly silent albeit having FULL Knowledge of what wrong has been done and what and who could repair it.

In this respect his threads about betus and royal lose their initial candor. You can't discriminate who is a good crook and who is bad crook. A wannabe White Knight should call a crook a crook, regardless of convenience, agendas, interests or friendship.

And now lets analyze the BoS situation for a second. Tons of ink and gigabytes of cyberspace have been spent on the issue. However try to provide an answer to the following questions:

1) Which was the ONLY portal has provided BoS players instructions on how to file with the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming, licensing body of BoS?

2) Which was the ONLY portal has pushed Antigua to take action, albeit what they have done is window dressing more than anything else?

3) Which portal is currently assisting players who are filing against BoS?

There's a common answer to all three questions, and the answer is the "much despised" theonlinewire.

I don't expect sbr to lift a finger in this mess, he didn't with Betpanam, why should he now.

EOG and TheRX have been quietly supportive of the efforts, which is perfectly fine.

Which voice is missing then? The most influential one with Antigua. The one of Jay Cohen. That's my problem.

I hope this answers your question. BOL for 2007 to you.

EXCELLENT POST...

 

[Jojo-Rex]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

,

Thank you for your question.

You are a long time poster, unlike many others around here, therefore I will give you a reply that can enlighten you and newbies alike.



Does that mean if we are new to posting we are stupid?..I will take a "minute" and analyze the BOS situation too..

THOSE ROTTEN YELLOW TOOTHED BASTARDS NEED TO BE "TAKEN OUT"..FUCK THEM BASTARDS...

PS-IT`s NOT YOUR FAULT..LET IT GO..-Jojo

 

[The Devil]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

THE REASON I DONT RESPECT BETUS, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY OWE TWO PEOPLE I KNOW REAL WELL AND THEY HAVE BEEN OWEING IT FOR QUITE SOMETIME, BUT AS FAR AS A BOOK GETTING SHORT OF MONEY, I SEEN A MANY IN MY LIFE THAT GOT SHORT AND SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE DONBEST, I WILL NOT MENTION WHO THE BOOKS ARE, THAT?S ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS,
SOME BAD BOOKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TURN IT AROUND FOR THE BEST, I DONT THINK JC KNOWS THAT, BUT ITS ALL TRUE I?VE SEEN BOOKS GO COMPLETLY BROKE AND THEM SAME BOOKS HAVE AS GOOD AS NAME IN THE WHOLE INDUSTRY, TRUST ME IT DOES HAPPEN, JC YOU WOULD BE SURPRIZED THAT SOME OF THE BOOKS ON THE DONBEST SCREEN HAS BEEN BROKE AND REBOUNDED, I JUST CAN?T NAME THEM, BUT ITS THE TRUTH...

VERY, VERY TRUE.........AND IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN TOMORROW.......

 

[Jojo-Rex]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

PSS-TOW....I DONT CARE THAT YOUR SITE BANNERED THEM..AND RANKED THEM @ THE TOP..NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..SAW THIS COMING..IF THEY DID I`d LIKE TO BORROW THEIR CRYSTAL BALL SO I CAN SEE THAT CINCI, IND AND DALLAS WILL WIN TODAY..I GOT NOTHING BUT GREAT SERVICE FROM BOS, MVP, ROCK, JAG, BETMILL and ROCK ISL UNTIL DC GOT ARRESTED..WHAT PISSES ME OFF WORSE ARE THE MANY LIES THAT FOLLOWED..NINETY DAYS MY ASS:+angry2-9

 

[JC]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Dirty,

Thanks for the compliment. But... what is my agenda? People love to throw that term out around here. You say I have an agenda, what is it?

I would like to see a clean, well regulated industry filled with books that don't jerk people around, lie, and use deceptive marketing. There are dozens of books at the tops of all of tehse sites taht I have never said a word about. Why? Because most of them run honest businesses.

As to WWTS, I thought it was very wrong that they suspended payments. But it was an isolated incident, they were NOT TAKING DEPOSITS over that period, and Bodog had announced that they bought the place.

There would have been no point to scream about them everyday, and it was not necessary to warn people to stay away from them since they were not taking deposits.

In the BetUS and the Royal matters, you have books jerking people around on withdrawals that continue to solicit fresh deposits. There's a differenty sense of urgency. And through it all, you have General pimping them every opportunity he gets.

But, I'll end my post like I started, what's my agenda?

 

[JC]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Roberto,

In terms of ACCOUNTABILITY, relief plans that require deposits are rollovers don't offset money stolen by other books. Sure, it's nice, and I am sure it is appreciated, but it doesn't by any standard undo the damage done by the blown out operations you promoted.

You did an excellent job getting players some of their money back in the PanAm debacle. But, if I recall correctly, you took a healthy fee for that matter, not just for your expenses.

So add up all of the money people lost at the crookie bookies you promoted and subtract all of the money you were able to recover with no conditions bailouts (CRIS/RCS type bailouts), and the money you recovered from Panama (which is questionable since you took some of that for yourself) and then we have full accountability.

Alladin's Gold

Eddie Hadeed is a crook, and Alladin's Gold is closed. It has been closed since 2003. What is the point of me making a weekly Alladin's Gold post, there is no book to warn people to stay away from.

Do I wish Antigua Gaming would do more in the matter? Yes. Did they drop the ball three years ago? Yes. Do I think there is some conspiracy inside Antigua Gaming? No.

BOS

I commend you on putting up contact information on your site to contact Antigua Gaming. All sites, including this one, should do the same. By the way, are you planning on getting a cut of any funds recovered from BOS through you? Just wondering.

But this was a book that you promoted against my advice and the advice of many others, (including your own earlier opinions.)

Let's take a look at how you handled BOS. A summary of your comments and actions are below. They were terrible until they started paying you, and then they became a 10. The best part is how they closed on July 18th and you still kept them at a 10. Then, on the morning of July 27th they notify advertisers that they are cancelling and want their money back. So what do you do that afternoon, downgrade them to 5. They were still a 10 in your eyes, even though they were closed, but the day they cancelled their ads, they were shit.

BetUS and Royal

These are two active books that a jerking players around on an ongoing basis. Yet you continue to promote them. You have no answers for the complaints that arise. Instead of addressing the matter directly, you try to change the subject and talk about Antigua Gaming.

What do you have to say about their tactics?

Antigua Gaming

If you think I have any special influence with them or any influence at all, you are mistaken.


Roberto and TheOnlineWire's assessment of BOS
==================================

08/01/2005
WE HAVE WITNESSED THE FALL OF THE RX FROM GREATNESS. (by RPM)

They have accepted BOS as an advertiser.


08/16/2005
My two cents on the BetOnSports issue (by TOW)

Many of TOW posters cross post at other sites, including TheRX.

TheRX and TOW are closely cooperating on some dispute resolution situations at this time.

In the last couple of weeks there has been a more than vital debate over BoS advertising at theRX.

Provided that every portal is free to accept or decline ad dollars at their sole discretion, some advertisers tend to make players (and posters) blood boil. BoS falls in that category.

BoS has built a history of stiffing winners. This is a fact. Even recently they had a case brought to public knowledge by Judge (who might enlighten TOW posters with the details and the outcomes of the case).

I have enjoyed sharing opinions with theRX ownership about this issue. I have expressed my opinions on the matter both privately and publicly:

The very least BoS should do in order to come clean is to pay those players wronged in the past and eliminate, once and for all, the 50/50 rule.

It is now my understanding that theRX is willing to give BoS a "second chance", but at the same time they will have a "mild" approach on those past (and still pending) problems.

I have no intention to ignite confrontation nor start forum wars but I cannot avoid to say that I will maintain my initial opinion on the matter: prior to give BoS a "second chance" the book should come clean on their past mistakes.

TOW is available to provide support in that direction.

At the same time I guarantee our readers that neither TOW nor TOW Forum will ever give a questionable book a second chance. We have made our point clear in the Mybookie case first, BCN's case after.

We take pride in promoting top notch books and we are committed to pursue thispromise to the benefit ofour viewers, readers and posters.

I have a lot of respect for theRX, its ownership and management. I hope they will see the positive in my words and review their decision to confirm BoS prime advertisement spot without having them come clean on their past and making right to stiffed players first.

Lastly, it is my personal opinion that theRX SHOULD review their decision without hesitation and ASAP. I understand that the portal wants to drop the "watchdog" label, but this, even with the $10,000 guarantee per poster, doesn't necessarilymean that they should wear the "let me lead you to the slaughter house" label as well. TheRX owes it to its readers and posters, specially the ones negatively affected by BoS wrong doings in the past.

Roberto

03/12/2006
BetonSports, Millenium and Gibraltar upgraded from 6 to 8
Publicly traded BetonSports and its other brands Millenium and Gibraltar Sports upgraded from 6 to 8 as a result of our visit's assessments. The operation's primary focus is customer satisfaction.


3/19/2006
THE ONLINE WIRE WELCOMES OUR NEWEST SPONSOR, BET ON SPORTS! (By RPM)

BET ON SPORTS is a publicly traded company on the London stock exchange, and currently has OVER a MILLION registered users. They've been online for around 10 years now and offer excellent bonuses, great customer service, and a betting line for just about anything you can think of.

Roberto visited their offices recently and met with the new management there. To say the least, he was VERY impressed with their setup and how they run their operation. BOS has offices in the UK, Antigua, Costa Rica, Malaysia, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Mexico.

BOS currently offers a 20% signup bonus for the sportsbook and 100% signup bonus for poker players.

Look for some nice special bonuses and contests from BET ON SPORTS and The Online Wire in the near future!


04/27/2006
BetonSports, Millenium upgraded from 8 to 9
BetonSports and Millenium raised from 8 to 9 based on recent players feedbacks. Players report impeccable quality of service from both brands belonging to publicly traded BetonSports PLC.


05/18/2006
BetonSports upgraded from 9 to 10
Probably the most controversial upgrade according to some agenda driven insiders, BetonSports enters the Platinum selection with merit. It is positively refreshing to constantly monitor the book's efforts and tangible improvement in the customer service area.

07/18/2006
BREAKING NEWS: BETonSPORTS.com Web site shut down
IN LIGHT OF COURT PAPERS FILED IN THE UNITED STATES, THE COMPANY HAS TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED THIS FACILITY PENDING ITS ABILITY TO ASSESS ITS FULL POSITION.

07/27/2006
BETonSPORTS cancels all advertisement deals
BETonSPORTS is approaching all its advertisers informing them of the decision to cancel all advertisement deals. TheOnlineWire.com received such call few minutes ago.

07/27/2006
BETonSPORTS family of books downgraded to 5 pending developments
BETonSPORTS family of books temporarily downgraded pending developments on the legal front. BETonSPORTS downgraded from 10 to 5, Millennium, Gibraltar, MVPSportsbook, RockIsland Sports downgraded from 9 to 5. Esybets rating remains unchanged.

 

[The General]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

As Roberto said Jay, you are not dumb. It is not pimping, it is work. They pay, we help them with news, promos & press releases. You know how this works. I said my Son was paid yesterday by Royal. I told an honest and factual story. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Joe]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

The weather sure is great in the Northeast...

Going to hit 70 here today (usually in the 20's-30's this time of year)...

 

[rainbow]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

WHENEVER YOU SEE SMOKE, ITS USUALLY A FIRE....

 

[SBR_John]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

PSS-TOW....I DONT CARE THAT YOUR SITE BANNERED THEM..AND RANKED THEM @ THE TOP..NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..SAW THIS COMING..IF THEY DID I`d LIKE TO BORROW THEIR CRYSTAL BALL SO I CAN SEE THAT CINCI, IND AND DALLAS WILL WIN TODAY..I GOT NOTHING BUT GREAT SERVICE FROM BOS, MVP, ROCK, JAG, BETMILL and ROCK ISL UNTIL DC GOT ARRESTED..WHAT PISSES ME OFF WORSE ARE THE MANY LIES THAT FOLLOWED..NINETY DAYS MY ASS:+angry2-9

They actually had stiffed some players near the end. SBR had downgraded them several times before anyone knew of the DOJ action based on players they were given haircuts to as well as running bonuses that made them look desperate. There were plenty of posters right here warning people as well. Of course the BOS paid propaganda guys like Mr Roberto were defending them in the theft cases and attacking those warning the players... Kind of like what is going on now oddly enough.

 

[rainbow]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

15YD PENALTY FOR PILING ON...

 

[dirty]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Jay the way your posts read, it is more of a personal Agenda against these Books than a Industry one. That May or May not be the case... I am just telling you how they read to me, and I am sure many others. Your Hatred and dislike for the People at BoS, BetUS, and Royal is clearly evident and Probably rightly so. There are many books out there that slow pay, no pay, and Mislead but since BoS is teats Up you harp on those 2. Nothing they have done is the past is Justifiable...Noone has said that. But Even when BetUS did what they said by settling up old debts like they promised Ken and Pete when they came aboard it was not good enough. I understand the skepticism But I believe everyone deserves a shot to right themselves... Only time will tell. WE have had very few cases since they have been on Board here which is 1000% better than it was before. With Royal there is not taking up for what was done in the past by the owners, the slow pays, etc.... Even you have to admit they have been better and They have been around for years when everyone was screaming they would do what Steve Miller sang about "take the money and run".... They have had some slow pays recently, but for the most part when Chester came back things have been better... Are either of these books Top Notch ...NO noone ever said that... but they have been better...

You know why Ken and other Owners have to take on these Books with lesser Reps...because the WSEX, Pinny, The Greek, etc don't need the Forums as bad as the forum Owners need them at the top... Most players have accounts there and they will get very few signups from the forums because as far as anyone can tell the percentage of Gamblers who use forums is very small... I would say in the 3-5% range. It is growing but you get my point.... To keep these places afloat you have to take on other advertisers that are willing to sponsor your site. Some will not advertise there that are at the RX, Majors, etc...and the same for here... It is not hard to figure out... I mean would you rather us take on those that have histories that are trying and Have improved themselves or do what Roberto did and do the rookie Project and get caught in a mess... DO I think Roberto took on those books to screw people...HELL NO...What he did was a Noble cause and he was giving younger upstarts a chance... It didn't go as planned..... I give him credit for Trying... he had a idea and it didn't work out. Hindsight is 20/20 in that situation. I am sure everyone involved with that has bittersweet feelings as they were hoping for the best.


As for WWTS....the problem I have is that One day they said things were fine with a press release for US Customers. a couple of Days Later they Froze their Funds and shut off all US players with No timetable of when they could get it back....There was a couple of week period where there was nothing said about anyone Buying....They just said they are trying to find a Buyer... negotiations with many fell thru, but Bodog came to the Rescue... I know they had some of the POst up Funds on hand and could have gotten the rest in a few months from other resources in a worst case scenario....Their situation was totally different that BoS.... But I don't feel that the Isolated Incident excuse should stand up because robbery is robbery and it shouldn't be treated any different.... I understand that after the deal with Bodog was announced their was no point in saying a word about it....I totally agree.

A huge Hypothetical here as I know it would never happen.... If WSEX decided to steal all the players funds after the Super Bowl and never return... In your defense of WWTS that means WSEX stealing is better than BoS because WSEX was an isolated INcident.... I don't understand that.... The main problem I had with the whole situation is that they got a free pass for 2 weeks from the so called Watchdog posters, and I understand you don't and Can't comment on things for a reason, and they were just thrown to the wolves... with no seaming end in site... But let some of these shops be 24 hours late and they get piled on and with their past deservedly so.... Looking back at things that happened, we could probably see the ending result not only with WWTS, but with all publicly traded companies...with People in Longtime positions leaving, etc....But Hind Sight is 20/20


I will put this to rest JC as you are one of the good guys and I never meant it to come across any other way.. I just post as I read things and how they come across to me and try to understand things... I speak what is on my mind sometimes and am not politically correct...

 

[cincy_]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

TOW thanks for the reply. I understand what you're saying and do commend you for what you said about ACCOUNTABILITY - you did, after all, make sure that the players of RCS were taken care of. You do have a history of working behind the scenes, and I have NO PROBLEM with you taking a cut of the proceeds as long as you weren't the one who led the sheep to the wolves - and in the case of BetPanam you weren't the one who led people there.

On the other hand, my respect for Jay Cohen goes back many years - when he got indicted (and went to jail), WSEX paid everyone when they could have just taken everyone's cash and pulled a BOS on us. That is why I TRUST JC over anyone else in the industry and I mean it.

Now if we move on:

As much as you and JC talk about credibility and accountability, and as much as you point out flaws in each other, it pales in comparison to the flaws of BetUS and BetRoyal. What Royal has done and what BetUS is doing doesn;t even come close to what people accuse JC of, and what people accuse you of.

Why can;t you take the position the Shrink does? They are advertisers, they run books, and it is up to the poster to be the watchdog. Pretty simple. You blaming JC for his bias and JC blaming you for your bias is very trivial when you compare it to what these books have done (and might do in the future).

It doesn't matter to most people if JC is biased against one book. If he supports a book that isn't worth supporting, then you should point it out. Tell us which books aren't worth shit. Tell us where we shouldn't send our money. Tell us what owners of various books did that makes you think they are scumbags. Going after JC and SBR doesn't help much.

 

[TOW]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

cincy,

I'm not interested in going after Jay or the boy from sbr and I'm saddened if this exchange of opinions has been perceived as such.

I honestly like Jay. I simply think he should be investing some of his valuable time in helping find a solution to the mistakes and willingfull cover ups the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming has staged with the Alladin Gold case first, they are staging with Betonsports as we speak.

Up to him do it or not. However I firmly believe his voice could make a difference. Too bad he has chosen to remain silent to preserve the able work he has done behind the scenes which ultimately lead to the WTO ruling.

Yep, if some people are unaware here...its not the Antiguan baboons who masterminded that fantastic legal move, its Jay and some of his friends. Kudos to them for that.

Its sad though that he has to keep him mouth shut on the antiguans robberies to preserve his greater cause.

Not interested in going after sbr either. Its more him that can't resist from sticking his nose into matters he has no knowledge of.

Again, working behind the scenes grants the priviledge to access confidential information.

Some portal owners, including myself, are not entirely happy about sbr's holier than thou approach on the unfortunate BoS saga. Here is why:

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19/02/2006 22:40:00​

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>BetOnSports raised from C- to C
<HR>Note - This upgrade took place few days after jessica from BoS worked out the differences of opinion between BoS management and sbr and a new "referral" deal was worked out.

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25/03/2006 12:07:00​

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>BetOnSports Plc Group upgraded; BetonSports from C to C+ <HR>Note - The second upgrade came as sbr cashed BoS first check.

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08/06/2006 15:26:00​

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>BetOnSports Group downgraded from C+ to C

This downgrade, according to some due at the very beginning of June, came only after the last check for sbr of $40K cleared.

You understand cincy, we're in a business were there's no nuns. Some of us are little better, some of us are little worse. Bottomline you won't find a virgin.

Others tend to get annoyed when one of their peers cashes like everyone then hides his fingers....we've all (therx, eog, tow, sbr, mw, osga and many more) gotten our hands dirty with BoS. Everyone's hands smell of chit, even the ones of the few who wore gloves.

Last, but not least. The "famous" cut of Betpanam. Players, not all, made a voluntary contribution of 10% of all money that had been cashed in towards my expenses.

I spent some 18,1K in the 13 months I followed the case, I received 18,9K from players. Therefore the actual gain was $800 for 13 months worth of work.

It was challenging and fascinating, however not a money maker.
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[Camelot AL]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Therefore the actual gain was $800 for 13 months worth of work.

How much did you make on the famous richcoastsports seeding deal?

 

[TOW]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Thanks for asking Camelot Al.

Allegations about the RCS seeding deal were initially started by no other than AK and later rehashed by the dude of sbr.

The entire episode was based on the fact that rpm had a funded account with RCS at the time the transfer to BetCRIS took place.

For the record RPM blew his entire balance playing black jack at betcris casino and never cashed a penny out.

The dude from sbr rehashed the case in a few more occasions, the last in a private three-way correspondence between myself, him and mickey.

Therefore other than AK and the dude from sbr, a couple made in heaven, no one ever mentioned these allegations.

 

[Camelot AL]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Thanks for asking Camelot Al.

Allegations about the RCS seeding deal were initially started by no other than AK and later rehashed by the dude of sbr.

The entire episode was based on the fact that rpm had a funded account with RCS at the time the transfer to BetCRIS took place.

For the record RPM blew his entire balance playing black jack at betcris casino and never cashed a penny out.

The dude from sbr rehashed the case in a few more occasions, the last in a private three-way correspondence between myself, him and mickey.

Therefore other than AK and the dude from sbr, a couple made in heaven, no one ever mentioned these allegations.

You still deny it? Owe, I got the impression it was provin beyond reasonable doubt somewhere.

 

[TOW]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Camelot Al,

The only thing proved without reasonable doubt is that I enjoy an excellent relationship with BetCRIS.

They are an existing sponsor of the sites and are currently running a bowl contest at the forum.

Don't you things would be slighty different if those allegations were true?

Than again only two people wasted cyberspace on the false story. AK started the allegation, the sbr dude started to ride it for a while.....as I said before, a couple made in heaven.

Cheers.

 

[cincy_]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

You still deny it? Owe, I got the impression it was provin beyond reasonable doubt somewhere.

Like I said, all this shit is very trivial compared to the scam that BetUS is pulling, and the stiff jobs that Royal pulled. TOW, SBR and JC might have their flaws, and they might have made mistakes, but they aren't looking to scam people and make a living of it.

I have come to the conclusion that most people are blinded - blinded by their agendas, blinded by their past, blinded by their afiliations.

At the end of the day, all I can do is two things:

NEVER play with Royal
NEVER play with BetUS

 

[Camelot AL]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Camelot Al,

The only thing proved without reasonable doubt is that I enjoy an excellent relationship with BetCRIS.

They are an existing sponsor of the sites and are currently running a bowl contest at the forum.

Don't you things would be slighty different if those allegations were true?

Than again only two people wasted cyberspace on the false story. AK started the allegation, the sbr dude started to ride it for a while.....as I said before, a couple made in heaven.

Cheers.

I searched Google and found it for you.

Maybe you should email the owner or respond about it.

AK about the seeded RCS account - OGD

If what they have posted is true its hard for your story to pass as legit. I used to overlook things all the time, maybe cris did the same.

 

[wits1]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Recieved a E-Mail from R. Eddy today at Betus (payout dept.). He ask that the customer contacts Betus.
We will see where this goes as up till now he never would answer any questions, calls or E-mails.
Its a start and I will be the first to post if the 40K is recieved.

 

[Inside Guy]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

You understand cincy, we're in a business were there's no nuns. Some of us are little better, some of us are little worse. Bottomline you won't find a virgin.

Others tend to get annoyed when one of their peers cashes like everyone then hides his fingers....we've all (therx, eog, tow, sbr, mw, osga and many more) gotten our hands dirty with BoS. Everyone's hands smell of chit, even the ones of the few who wore gloves.

John from SBR is the Ted Haggard of the Offshore Gaming Community.

For those of you that do not know who Haggard is, he was a powerful reverend that was on President Bush's regilious advisory committee that would speak up (IN PUBLIC) against drugs and homesexuality. Meanwhile (IN PRIVATE) he was smoking crystal meth with gay prostitutes every chance he could get.

SBR accepted AD DOLLARS from BoS like everyone else, it does not make him better that he publicly blasted them.

 

[cincy_]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

SBR accepted AD DOLLARS from BoS like everyone else, it does not make him better that he publicly blasted them.

Who cares if he had taken ad dollars????

Did SBR give them an A grade because of it? Did he have them as a Top Tier sportsbook?

I had a professor who went out with his students. He would go to lunch with them, go to bars with them - but if they got a D on their exams, they would get a D on their transcripts. Does that make that professor a Ted Haggard too? That shows me integrity more than anything else.

 

[Cobbler]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

SBR accepted AD DOLLARS from BoS like everyone else, it does not make him better that he publicly blasted them.

Sorry dumbass. To most of us in the real world, it shows integrity to blast someone despite collecting ad dollars from them.

 

[Chuck Sims]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Another victim of BetUS. The crooks are in overdrive.

"I have been a customer of BetUS since December 2006. I signed up when I was sent by US mail a flyer from BetUS. It promised a 50% Bonus for first Deposits. I deposited $5,000 and was promised $2,500 worth of free plays once I wagered 7 times my deposit. I have since wagered well over $35,000 and I am being told that my free plays were cancelled by the management. No explaination, just cancelled."

 

[Inside Guy]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Many of you, as always, are missing the point. The guy is busting balls for other sites that took ad dollars yet he did the same thing. Why would he take ad money from "CROOKS" as he has called them.

SBR is wolf in sheeps clothing. Nothing more.

 

[cincy_]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

Many of you, as always, are missing the point. The guy is busting balls for other sites that took ad dollars yet he did the same thing. Why would he take ad money from "CROOKS" as he has called them.

SBR is wolf in sheeps clothing. Nothing more.

I would take money from crooks. Hell, my local is a crook, isn't he?

Like TOW said, we're not virgins.

Send 100 people a check for $5,000 from OJ Simpson and see how many people don't cash it because it's from "a murderer".

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

"Ye that is without sin, tosseth the first stone...................":dancefool :dancefool :dancefool

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Bet US and BetRoyal will never see a dime of my $ thanks to JC`s warning months back

And thankfully JC and Chuck Sims saved alot of people from sinking with the BOS Titanic.

 

[BCTTWR]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a

And thankfully JC and Chuck Sims saved alot of people from sinking with the BOS Titanic.

Amen

 

[Dr PorkChop]

Re: The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

I was paid 5,000 today after waiting a few days. But I was told that the 2,500 free play that I was promised was canceled. No reason, just they are not going to pay. I deposited 5k and wagered well over 7x and they are not going to honor their promise to give me a 2,500 free play. I will continue to broadcast my story until they do the right thing. I can tell you that I was paid 5k today. I requested another 5k for tomorrow.

Dr. PorkChop.