GLOBAL WARMING??????????

Sorry .. I'm still a skeptic. In no particular order here are just a few of the reasons why I'm not buying this man-made global warming scare:
  • The United Nations is anti-American and anti-Capitalist. In short .. I don't trust them. Not a bit. The UN would eagerly engage in any enterprise that would weaken capitalist economies around the world.
  • Because after the fall of the Soviet Union and worldwide Communism many in the anti-capitalist movement moved to the environmental movement to continue pursuing their anti-free enterprise goals. Many of the loudest proponents of man-made global warming today are confirmed anti-capitalists.
  • Because the sun is warmer .. and all of these scientists don't seem to be willing to credit a warmer sun with any of the blame for global warming.
  • The polar ice caps on Mars are melting. How did our CO2 emissions get all the way to Mars?
  • It was warmer in the 1930s across the globe than it is right now.
  • It wasn't all that long ago that these very same scientists were warning us about "global cooling" and another approaching ice age?
  • How much has the earth warmed up in the last 100 years? One degree. Now that's frightening.
  • Because that famous "hockey stick" graph that purports to show a sudden warming of the earth in the last few decades is a fraud. It ignored previous warming periods ... left them off the graph altogether.
  • The infamous Kyoto accords exempt some of the world's biggest CO2 polluters, including China and India.
  • The Kyoto accords can easily be seen as nothing less than an attempt to hamstring the world's dominant capitalist economies.
  • Because many of these scientists who are sounding the global warming scare depend on grant money for their livelihood, and they know the grant money dries up when they stop preaching the global warming sermon.
  • Because global warming "activists" and scientists seek to punish those who have different viewpoints. If you are sure of your science you have no need to shout down or seek to punish those who disagree.
  • What happened to the Medieval Warm Period? In 1996 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a chart showing climatic change over a period of 1000 years. This graph showed a Medieval warming period in which global temperatures were higher than they are today. In 2001 the IPCC issued another 1000 year graph in which the Medieval warming period was missing. Why?
  • Why has one scientist promoting the cause of man-made global warming been quoted as saying "we have to get rid of the medieval warming period?"
  • Why is the ice cap on the Antarctic getting thicker if the earth is getting warmer?
  • In the United State, the one country with the most accurate temperature measuring and reporting records, temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees centigrade over the past 100 years. The UN estimate is twice that.
  • There are about 160,000 glaciers around the world. Most have never been visited or measured by man. The great majority of these glaciers are growing, not melting.
  • Side-looking radar interferometry shows that the ise mass in the West Antarctic is growing at a rate of over 26 gigatons a year. This reverses a melting trend that had persisted for the previous 6,000 years.
  • Rising sea levels? The sea levels have been rising since the last ice age ended. That was 12,000 years ago. Estimates are that in that time the sea level has risen by over 300 feet. The rise in our sea levels has been going on long before man started creating anything but natural CO2 emissions.
  • Like Antarctica, the interior of Greenland is gaining ice mass.
  • Over the past 3,000 years there have been five different extended periods when the earth was measurably warmer than it is today.
  • During the last 20 years -- a period of the highest carbon dioxide levels -- global temperatures have actually decreased. That's right ... decreased.
  • Why did a reporter from National Public Radio refuse to interview David Deming, an associate professor at the University of Oklahoma studying global warming, after his testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee unless Deming would state that global warming was being caused by man?
  • Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?
  • On July 24, 1974 Time Magazine published an article entitled "Another Ice Age?" Here's the first paragraph:
    "As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."
 

frankjohnson

EOG Dedicated
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Are you a scientist? You keep regurtitating the same bullshit which the world's best on the subject refute and have refuted for twenty years. I get it man, "It just doens't make any sense." Fuck!
 
Re: GLOBAL WARMING??????????

Are you a scientist? You keep regurtitating the same bullshit which the world's best on the subject refute and have refuted for twenty years. I get it man, "It just doens't make any sense." Fuck!
WOW, your statement refuted how many of the above listed
facts?
ZERO!
 

dirty

EOG Master
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He can't Fury...I have been begging for a while now for him to prove anything other than his rants..
 

gopherbob

EOG Dedicated
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He can't Fury...I have been begging for a while now for him to prove anything other than his rants..

my post in the other thread contained facts. what i think will happen is that once people realize what the effect this will have on the economy, a lot will change their opinions. plus you can see the scientist start to waver, first there was no global warming, then it was a natural non man made global warming, the scientists that continue with this will look like fools when the rest of the world accepts the reality. and yes, if you read scientific data rather than political jargon, you'll realize there is an increase in fossil fuel bi products in the air that with the concentration seems to coincide with the amount of warming. scientists are now saying that there is a 90% chance that this is caused by man.
 
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Sorry Mr Fury, but I think several statements on that list are probably not entirely correct.

For example, "Because the sun is warmer .. and all of these scientists don't seem to be willing to credit a warmer sun with any of the blame for global warming." Most climate models—including ones used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change—already incorporate the effects of the sun's waxing and waning power on Earth's weather.
 
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And all the rivers and lakes that are polluted was not caused by man it just some kind of cycle we go through when will they clear up again been waiting for that cycle.

And man is not destroying the rain forest its just a cycle.

Humans ruin everything and are the cause for global warming.
 

bilbal

EOG Enthusiast
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280 million years ago most of China was a rainforest and there were no humans around to destroy it, but yet it was destroyed by rising global temperatures. What caused the rising global temperatures since there were no humans around to cause it? The average temperature worldwide back then (280mya) peaked at around 71 F, it cooled to around 63 F over the next few million or so years, what caused all of that global cooling? 5 million years ago, the global temperature also peaked at around 71 F, yet today, it is only 54 F. Think "big picture" (2 million years) not "tiny snapshot" (200 years).

If humans weren't digging up acres of rainforest, how do you know it wouldn't be destroyed naturally anyway? Do you have any proof that it wouldn't?

Saying humans are at fault for global warming is like taking a piss outside during a hurricane and then being blamed for causing the levees to break.
 
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And the humans have nothing to do with the polluted rivers and lakes either
 

dirty

EOG Master
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Bob...sure those reports are filled with Temperature facts...But not one fact that Humans are causing the Brunt of it... There is no Factual Proof that Humans are the reason for the rise. Are we a part of the process....Most definitely..... noone has argued that. Bilbal is totally correct in his assesments


Just like has been mentioned before If you are out to prove a point you can just take facts that support your case and ignore the rest....


Wrigs what the heck does Polluted rivers and lakes have to do with Bogus propaganda about global warming... any fool knows that if you see a beer can in the lake or river that a human put it there.
 

gofer5

EOG Addicted
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280 million years ago most of China was a rainforest and there were no humans around to destroy it, but yet it was destroyed by rising global temperatures. What caused the rising global temperatures since there were no humans around to cause it? The average temperature worldwide back then (280mya) peaked at around 71 F, it cooled to around 63 F over the next few million or so years, what caused all of that global cooling? 5 million years ago, the global temperature also peaked at around 71 F, yet today, it is only 54 F. Think "big picture" (2 million years) not "tiny snapshot" (200 years).

If humans weren't digging up acres of rainforest, how do you know it wouldn't be destroyed naturally anyway? Do you have any proof that it wouldn't?

Saying humans are at fault for global warming is like taking a piss outside during a hurricane and then being blamed for causing the levees to break.

How do you know that the average temperature worldwide was 71 F 280 million years ago? You are taking that imformation from the same scientist you now refuse to believe when they say there is global warming.

In the last 10 to 20 years, I have seen drastic changes in the climate where I live. I believe there are weather cycles, but they don't change as dramatically as they have recently. This change is more than just a cycle IMO. And I believe the burning of fossil fuels has a lot to do with it.
 

dirty

EOG Master
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No one is denying Global Warming Bob.... Never have... the stats don't Lie... What everyone is arguing against is that the doom and gloomers are saying it is Happening solely because of Humans and we are the major Cause... and that is just not Factual



And Basing anything off of drastic Changes over a 20-30 year period is lunacy... that is not even a blip on the radar in the Grand scheme of things... talk about Knee Jerk Reactions and blindly following so Called Experts who will say any thing to keep funding coming in so they have a Job
 

gopherbob

EOG Dedicated
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No one is denying Global Warming Bob.... Never have... the stats don't Lie... What everyone is arguing against is that the doom and gloomers are saying it is Happening solely because of Humans and we are the major Cause... and that is just not Factual



And Basing anything off of drastic Changes over a 20-30 year period is lunacy... that is not even a blip on the radar in the Grand scheme of things... talk about Knee Jerk Reactions and blindly following so Called Experts who will say any thing to keep funding coming in so they have a Job

global warming is a natural occurance, but the intensity is being accelerated by man. what they're finding is that there are more bi-products from fossil fuels in the air.
they're finding that as the concentration of these bi-products becomes higher,
the average temperature is rising faster and in proportion to these bi-products.
 
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How do you know that the average temperature worldwide was 71 F 280 million years ago? You are taking that imformation from the same scientist you now refuse to believe when they say there is global warming.

In the last 10 to 20 years, I have seen drastic changes in the climate where I live. I believe there are weather cycles, but they don't change as dramatically as they have recently. This change is more than just a cycle IMO. And I believe the burning of fossil fuels has a lot to do with it.


Just theories no facts again by Dirty and the sheep...

Beer cans and other chemicals in lake over time means polluted lake

Burning of fuels and other chemicals over time means changes in the climate

Modern science is proving it more and more I think their labs have better research findings then your chemistry set in your basement Dirty
 

bilbal

EOG Enthusiast
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The reality is the earth’s natural resources that we currently consume to create energy will be long gone before the amount of emissions from consuming all of it does any significant damage to the planet. After that, the earth will continue to warm, probably from all of the hot air coming from these alarmists.

And what might be the end result of this huge scientific experiment of an experiment that was conducted by a bunch of scientists trying to figure out what’s going to happen 100 years from now when none of them can even tell me what’s going to happen 7 days from now and produced nothing that wasn’t already known for decades anyway? It could very well wind up resulting in global policy that ends up hurting a lot of poorer, less fortunate countries who otherwise stood a good shot of vastly improving themselves. That’s the reality of this global warming exercise and this IPCC bunch. But you keep worrying about the dirty streams in America because that will help the earth out a lot.
 

dirty

EOG Master
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The only thing the Global Warming experts say that is fact is that the Earth is warmer, Ice is melting in places, etc....


All these Causes, Projections, and so Called "Facts" are nothing more than pure speculation... They don't know what the weather will be like.... Just like the "Experts" predicted this year would be the worst ever for Hurricanes...We saw how that turned out didn't we.... Anyone that believes Pure speculation is the one that is a sheep that can't think for themselves. There is no scientific Proof that Man is accelerating or causing anything to a Major degree, Hell for any degree for that matter... Everything they are basing their so called findings on is a 30-50 year Sample of a earth who is Billions of years old.

Believe the Hype if you want to... I can Guarantee you that Mother Nature takes care of herself and weather goes in cycles over Centuries...Hotter, cooler, cold as fuck, then warmer, warm, Hot as hell...it is just a continuos Cycle that has been proven by soil tests, core samples and fossil remains tests that No Scientist argues about or Doubts... We know these things happened... The exact temperature is a guess but we do know that is has been a hell of a lot hotter on earth and a hell of a lot colder on earth Several times in History than it is now
 
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