For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

From the liberal LA TIMES. Perhaps if your hero were less interested in gettin' sucked off by Monica, 9/11 may never have happened.

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond.

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</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td bgcolor="#ffffff" width="5"> </td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td bgcolor="#ffffff" width="5"> </td> <td bgcolor="#f2e7ba" width="1"> </td> <td bgcolor="#ffffff" width="4"> </td> <td bgcolor="#ffffff" width="150"></td> <td bgcolor="#ffffff" width="5"> </td></tr></tbody></table><!-- branding:include name="related-rail:footer"/ --><!-- END RELATED CONTENT RAIL -->By MANSOOR IJAZ President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates.

But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of carrying out the embassy attacks.

Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.

The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.

Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.

But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.

Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not. Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national security threat.

And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S. counter-terrorism officials.

The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.

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Mansoor Ijaz, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, is chairman of a New York-based investment company.
 
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Bill Clinton is loved in the Middle East, but I hate the mother fucker myself. The blood of thousands of Americans is on his hands as far as I am concerned. I can easily say that 9/11 could have been avoided had he done something about Bin Laden when he had the chance.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Lets see ....

you love Bush and he killed 3000 Americans on 9-11????
 

gofer5

EOG Addicted
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Bush hasn't given America's Enemy No. 1 the time of day since he escaped from Tora Bora four years ago and made the tough-talking Texan ? who'd vowed to get him "dead or alive" ? look like a dime-store cowboy.
Rewind to Jan. 17, 2002. Tom Brokaw asked Bush about the top terrorist's disappearing act, and Bush shrugged it off by saying, "Osama bin Laden is not my focus." He even stiffed the 9/11 mastermind in his State of the Union speech.
Then a couple of months later, as the press reminded him of the embarrassing failure, the president remained indifferent: "I don't know where he is, and I truly am not that concerned about him."
In subsequent State of the Union addresses, bin Laden didn't even warrant a single mention, upstaged as he was by Saddam Hussein. Even after ol' Saddam was caught and shown to be more a threat to his dentist than to any American, Bush kept jabbering about him. But not bin Laden.
While it's debatable how serious the president is now about bin Laden, he's not kidding when he says the al-Qaeda leader has made his threats very "clear."
In fact, bin Laden doesn't bluff or make idle threats. He telegraphs his every move and follows through on terror threats within months of making them, which is more than can be said for Sheriff "Dead or Alive" Bush, who's still hunting for the main 9/11 quarry going on five years now.

For you Bush Lovers .... Where is Bin Laden
 
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Bin Laden is in a cave eating ants to survive or dead. What he is not doing and has not done since 9/11 is fly more god damn airplanes into American cities and kill Americans.

Does that fuckin point mean anything to you weak kneed Democrats ?


When are you people going to wake the fuck up that these slim bags want to kill us all ?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Gofer:

why is Bin Laden not wanted in connection with 9-11?? go look at his FBI poster and not a word mentioned
 
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Bin Laden is in a cave eating ants to survive or dead. What he is not doing and has not done since 9/11 is fly more god damn airplanes into American cities and kill Americans.

Does that fuckin point mean anything to you weak kneed Democrats ?


When are you people going to wake the fuck up that these slim bags want to kill us all ?
 

gofer5

EOG Addicted
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Bin Laden is in a cave eating ants to survive or dead. What he is not doing and has not done since 9/11 is fly more god damn airplanes into American cities and kill Americans.

Does that fuckin point mean anything to you weak kneed Democrats ?


When are you people going to wake the fuck up that these slim bags want to kill us all ?

I hope you are right about Bin Laden. IMO we should have kept our focus on him instead of getting sidetracked in Iraq.

I know there are a lot of extremist that want to kill us all. I think getting Bin Laden would weaken them for the time being and hopefully curtail any further attacks on us.
 
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Gofer ... This is a very difficult problem ... Do you really think Sadaam was never a threat to us ??? There are millions over there that want to kill us. We cannot just lay down and hope the problem will go away. We tried that, it didn't work.

Give Bush some credit for some of the successes we have had and we have had many.

I know Iraq is a mess, but so was Europe when we fought there.

This country is so weak that we expect us to go in there, kick ass, leave ,and then it will be a rose garden.

That does not happen in War.
 

gofer5

EOG Addicted
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Gofer ... This is a very difficult problem ... Do you really think Sadaam was never a threat to us ??? There are millions over there that want to kill us. We cannot just lay down and hope the problem will go away. We tried that, it didn't work.

Give Bush some credit for some of the successes we have had and we have had many.

I know Iraq is a mess, but so was Europe when we fought there.

This country is so weak that we expect us to go in there, kick ass, leave ,and then it will be a rose garden.

That does not happen in War.

I know this is a very difficult problem and I wish our Country was not so politically devided ... I'm sure our enemies love to see us quarreling amongst ourselves.

I don't know what the solution is, but it is ashame when it takes a tradgedy like 9/11 to bring us all together. I will admit that I was proud to call George Bush my President after the attacks. He handled the situation very well and really pulled the Country together.
 
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

?I really regret bringing down the statue,?

said Kadhim al-Jubouri, an Iraqi weightlifter who was enlisted to help bring down the statute in 2003. ?The Americans are worse than the dictatorship. Every day is worse than the previous day.? He added that he would prefer to be living under Saddam than under U.S. occupation: ?The devil you know [is] better than the devil you don?t. We no longer know friend from foe. The situation is becoming more dangerous. It?s not getting better at all. People are poor and the prices are going higher and higher.?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Jar:

Nicolas refuses to tell us why his BIG COURAGEOUS ASS aint over in Iraq

$100 says this punk couldnt do 5 situps, bench press more than 20 lbs
and was part of the high school band
 

gopherbob

EOG Dedicated
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

blame clinton all you want, but bush has had over 5 1/2 years to capture him and failed to do so.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: For you Clinton Lovers ... Where is Bin Laden ?

Gopher:

Like Minnesota going to a BCS Bowl Game - just not a priority !!
 
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