Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

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Norm Mineta - U.S. Secretary of Transportation 2001 - 2006. U.S. Secretary of Commerce 2000 - 2001. Senior Vice President, Lockheed Martin 1995 - 2000. Former 12-term Congressman from California 1971 - 1995. Currently, Vice Chairman of the Board, Hill & Knowlton.

  • 9/11 Commission testimony 5/23/03:

    Lee Hamilton: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center [PEOC]. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

    Norm Mineta: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

    Lee Hamilton: The flight you're referring to is the --

    Norm Mineta: The flight that came into the Pentagon. ...
    http://www.youtube.com

    Norm Mineta: I didn't know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC at about 9:20 a.m. And the president was in Florida, and I believe he was on his way to Louisiana at that point when the conversation that went on between the vice president and the president and the staff that the president had with him.

    Tim Roemer: So when you arrived at 9:20 [at the Presidential Emergency Operating Center in the White House], how much longer was it before you overheard the conversation between the young man and the vice president saying, "Does the order still stand?"

    Norm Mineta: Probably about five or six minutes.

    Tim Roemer: So about 9:25 or 9:26. And your inference
    was that the vice president snapped his head around and said, "Yes, the order still stands." Why did you infer that that was a shoot-down? http://www.youtube.com
  • Editor's note: Secretary Mineta's testimony is entirely omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report. His testimony directly contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report in two key points.

    1. Mr. Mineta testified he arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) in the White House at 9:20 a.m. and observed Vice President Dick Cheney discussing with an aide that the incoming Flight 77 was 50 miles out at 9:25 or 9:26. The 9/11 Commission Report maintains Vice President Cheney did not arrive at the PEOC until 9:58, over one-half hour later. Mr. Mineta's testimony is further supported by the fact that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37, which is the correct time it would have taken Flight 77 to arrive at the Pentagon, if it had been about 50 miles out at 9:26.

    2. The Commission Report maintains the government did not know the whereabouts of Flight 77 prior 9:32, when Dulles Tower air controllers "observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed". Mr. Mineta's testimony reveals Vice President Cheney was being informed of the plane's position for several minutes before that, and perhaps considerably longer.

    Also of interest, is that the first approximately 15 minutes of Mr. Mineta's testimony before the Commission (Panel 1, Friday, May 23. 2003) during which he discusses the points mentioned above, have been edited out of the official 9/11 Commission video archives. However, his entire testimony does appear in the transcript.
Norm Mineta - U.S. Secretary of Transportation 2001 - 2006. U.S. Secretary of Commerce 2000 - 2001. Senior Vice President, Lockheed Martin 1995 - 2000. Former 12-term Congressman from California 1971 - 1995. Currently, Vice Chairman of the Board, Hill & Knowlton.

  • 9/11 Commission testimony 5/23/03:

    Lee Hamilton: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center [PEOC]. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

    Norm Mineta: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

    Lee Hamilton: The flight you're referring to is the --

    Norm Mineta: The flight that came into the Pentagon. ...
    http://www.youtube.com

    Norm Mineta: I didn't know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC at about 9:20 a.m. And the president was in Florida, and I believe he was on his way to Louisiana at that point when the conversation that went on between the vice president and the president and the staff that the president had with him.

    Tim Roemer: So when you arrived at 9:20 [at the Presidential Emergency Operating Center in the White House], how much longer was it before you overheard the conversation between the young man and the vice president saying, "Does the order still stand?"

    Norm Mineta: Probably about five or six minutes.

    Tim Roemer: So about 9:25 or 9:26. And your inference
    was that the vice president snapped his head around and said, "Yes, the order still stands." Why did you infer that that was a shoot-down? http://www.youtube.com
  • Editor's note: Secretary Mineta's testimony is entirely omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report. His testimony directly contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report in two key points.

    1. Mr. Mineta testified he arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) in the White House at 9:20 a.m. and observed Vice President Dick Cheney discussing with an aide that the incoming Flight 77 was 50 miles out at 9:25 or 9:26. The 9/11 Commission Report maintains Vice President Cheney did not arrive at the PEOC until 9:58, over one-half hour later. Mr. Mineta's testimony is further supported by the fact that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37, which is the correct time it would have taken Flight 77 to arrive at the Pentagon, if it had been about 50 miles out at 9:26.

    2. The Commission Report maintains the government did not know the whereabouts of Flight 77 prior 9:32, when Dulles Tower air controllers "observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed". Mr. Mineta's testimony reveals Vice President Cheney was being informed of the plane's position for several minutes before that, and perhaps considerably longer.

    Also of interest, is that the first approximately 15 minutes of Mr. Mineta's testimony before the Commission (Panel 1, Friday, May 23. 2003) during which he discusses the points mentioned above, have been edited out of the official 9/11 Commission video archives. However, his entire testimony does appear in the transcript.
 
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Senator Max Cleland ? Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997 - 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Captain, U.S. Army awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.

  • New York Times Article 10/26/03: "As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted." http://www.commondreams.org
  • Boston Globe Article 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit access to White House documents], I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the Commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised." http://www.
  • Salon Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "It is a national scandal." http://dir.salon.com
  • Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03, after having served on it for 12 months. Former Senator Bob Kerrey from Nebraska was selected to replace him. The 9/11 Commission Report was issued 7 months later.
  • Transcript of audio interview 3/23/04: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up." http://www.democracynow.org
 
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Gov. Jesse Ventura ? 38th Governor of Minnesota 1999 - 2003. Member, U.S. Navy Underwater Demolition Team 12 (precursor to SEAL) 1969 - 1975. U.S. Navy Reserves, SEAL Team 1.

Former professional wrestler and actor. The Running Man (1987), Predator (1987). Author or co-author of I Ain't Got Time to Bleed: Reworking the Body Politic from the Bottom up (2000), Quotations of Chairman Jesse (2000), Do I Stand Alone?: Going to the Mat Against Political Pawns and Media Jackals (2001), Jesse Ventura Tells It Like It Is: America's Most Outspoken Governor Speaks Out About Government (2002), The New Prohibition: Voices of Dissent Challenge the Drug War (2004).
  • Video interview The Alex Jones Show 9/26/06: "The thing I question on 9/11 was simply the fact; where were our planes? When all this was going on and planes were being hijacked an hour apart and there were four of them They cover about a six-hour space. At no time, to my knowledge, did we have any fighter planes up in the air. Why? ...

    In light of the fact that there was a cover-up that got us into the Viet Nam war and there was, in my opinion, a cover-up of John Kennedy's assassination, I would just say that I don't believe it's beyond reason to not at least consider that the government certainly would do things like that." http://www.infowars.com/articles
  • Interview Black Op Radio 8/20/04: "At first, again, I wanted to believe 9/11, you know. But the problem I have with 9/11 is just a real simple one. I'm trying to figure out -- and of course they're now attempting to answer it somewhat -- how we could have failed so miserably in not having air defense. ...

    And the problem I have with 9/11 is that. Where the heck was our defense? Who was sleeping at the wheel? While all of these planes... I mean, I've been to air traffic control when I was Governor, and you've got a dozen people there looking at these dials, watching every plane in their sector. They know where it's going and they know what direction it's supposed to be going

    Now, how is it that these planes were able to be hijacked at half hour intervals, turned directly opposite the way they're supposed to be going and no bells went off, no emergency sirens went off, no fighter jets were scrambled? Just what the hell happened in that area of time?! And that's the part that troubles me about 9/11. ...

    I mean here's the Pentagon, the head of our military. How was this plane able to circle the city of Baltimore [sic] at least once, picking out a target, and then drive into it, and we didn't have -- nothing up in the air? There wasn't one scrambled fighter jet up there to defend in any way, shape, or form?" http://www.libertypost.org
 
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I wonder how many will die in the next year under "mysterious" circumstances?


Devil must be busy today on his search for the wings and tail section of that
big, bad commercial airline jet the hit the Pentagon !!
 
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Congressman Ron Paul, MD ? 9-term Congressman from Texas, 1979 - 1985, 1997 - present. Member of the House Financial Services Committee, the International Relations committee, and the Joint Economic Committee. On the Financial Services Committee, he serves as the Vice Chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee. 1988 Libertarian Party candidate for President. Former Flight Surgeon, U.S. Air Force.

  • Audio interview The Alex Jones Show 1/18/07: "Dr. Ron Paul, Texas Congressman exploring a run for President, appeared on The Alex Jones Show Wednesday and had the following to say about 9/11:

    Caller: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I'm tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

    Congressman Paul: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don't have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there's not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn't going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on." http://www.total911.info

    Bio: http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml
 
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Congressman Curt Weldon ? Former 10-term Congressman from Pennsylvania 1987 - 2006. Former Vice Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. Former Vice Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

  • Fox News Article 8/28/05: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "There's something very sinister going on here that really troubles me," Weldon told FOX News on Thursday, blasting the Sept. 11 commission for not taking the claims more seriously. He said some panel members were trying to smear [Lt. Col. Anthony] Shaffer and Able Danger. "What's the Sept. 11 commission got to hide?" Weldon asked." http://www.foxnews.com
  • Press conference transcript 9/17/05: Regarding the 9/11 Commission Report "There's something wrong here, something tragically wrong. The American people, the families, the country and the Congress need to know the truth, the whole truth, the complete truth. And so far we haven't gotten it. ? Somebody's got to connect the dots and answer the questions. If the 9/11 Commission won't do it, then Congress has to do it." http://www.gl
  • Speech on the floor of Congress 10/19/05: "I am not a conspiracy theorist, but there is something desperately wrong, Mr. Speaker. There is something outrageous at work here. This is not a third-rate burglary of a political campaign headquarters. This involved what is right now the covering up of information that led to the deaths of 3,000 people, changed the course of history, led to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and has disrupted our country, our economy and people's lives." http://frwebgate
  • Editor's note: The 9/11 Commission Report asserts that only three of the alleged hijackers were known to U.S. intelligence agencies prior to 9/11; Nawaf al-Hazmi, Salem al-Hazmi, and Khalid al-Mihdar. There is no mention in the Report that the names and photographs of alleged hijacker Marwan al-Shehhi and alleged ring-leader Mohamed Atta had been identified by the Department of Defense antiterrorist program known as Able Danger more than a year prior to 9/11 and that they were known to be affiliates of al-Qaida. Able Danger also identified Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdar. http://www.foxnews.com. See also Louis Freeh, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, Cap. Scott J. Phillpott, Major Erik Kleinsmith, and James D. Smith.
  • Bio: http://www.montcogop.org
 
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Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps ? Former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq 1991 - 1998.

  • Video 7/22/06: "I, like the others, are frustrated by the 9/11 Commission Report, by the lack of transparency on the part of the United States government, both in terms of the executive branch and the legislative branch when it comes to putting out on the table all facts known to the 9/11 case." http://video.go
 
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Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army ? Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

  • Statement to this website 9/19/06: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and WTC 7 [570 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane], the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon ... Link to full statement
  • Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."
 
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Wayne Madsen ? Former U.S. Navy Intelligence Officer, specialist in electronic surveillance and security. Formerly assigned to the National Security Agency and the State Department. Currently, investigative journalist, nationally distributed columnist, and author. Senior Fellow, Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a non-partisan privacy public advocacy group in Washington, DC. Frequent media commentator on terrorism and security matters. Author of Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999 (1999), co-author of America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II (2006), Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops & Brass Plates (2006), The Handbook of Personal Data Protection (1992).

  • Speech 11/11/06 : "After five years of talking to many individuals in the intelligence community, in the military, foreign intelligence agencies, and a whole host of other people, people from the air traffic control community, the FAA, I came to the conclusion that after five years what we saw happen on that morning of September 11, 2001, was the result of a highly-compartmentalized covert operation to bring about a fascist coup in this country. ...

    These people need to be brought to justice, if not by our own Congress, then by an international tribunal in the Hague, in the Netherlands. Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld, Cheney should be sitting in the same dockets where Milosevic and the Croatia-Serbia war criminals sat." http://video.google.com
  • Endorsement of The New Pearl Harbor: "David Griffin's The New Pearl Harbor belongs on the book shelves of all those who, in any way, doubt the veracity of the accounts presented to the public by the Bush administration concerning the worst terrorist attack in America's history. The facts presented in this book are disturbing ? and they should be. Griffin's book goes a long way in answering the age-old question inherent in American political scandals: What did the President know, and when did he know it?" http://www.interlinkbooks.com
  • Bio: http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/aboutus.php
 
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Raymond L. McGovern ? Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President? Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

  • Video 7/22/06: "I think at simplest terms, there?s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What?s being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence, misfeasance? ? Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they?re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. ? I just want to reassert, what Scott [Ritter, former Major in the U.S. Marines Corps, former Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq] said and this is the bottom line for me, just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11. The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11. That suffices for me, I think Scott is exactly right, that?s certainly an impeachable offense." http://video.google
  • Endorsement of 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) ? Intellectuals Speak Out: "It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole 'war on terror' was based on a prior deception." http://www.interlinkbooks.com
  • Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
    "We want truthful answers to question. ? As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
    • An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
    • Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
    • Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
    • The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article
 
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William Christison ? Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

  • Essay Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11 8/14/06: "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ? An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. ? The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them." http://www.dissidentvoice.org
  • Article 9/7/06: "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too. ? I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen. ? The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. ? All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions." http://www.prisonplanet.com
  • Audio interview 9/29/06: "We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all. It gave the administration what it wanted to support their official story on what happened on the date of September 11 and that's all they cared about. ... It's a monstrous crime. Absolutely a monstrous crime." http://www.electricpolitics.com
  • Bio: http://www.amalpress.com/
 
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Robert David Steele (Vivas) ? U.S. Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer for twenty years. Second-ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988 - 1992 and a member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University. Also former clandestine services case officer with the CIA. 25-year U.S. military and intelligence career. Currently Founder and CEO of OSS.net and a proponent of Open Source Intelligence.

  • Essay 10/7/06: Review of Webster Tarpley's 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA. "I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war, and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations. ...

    This is, without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the US Government, most likely led by Dick Cheney with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Kronguard, and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism....

    I sit here, a 54-year old, liberally educated, two graduate degrees, war college, a life overseas, 150 IQ or so, the number #1 Amazon reviewer for non-fiction, a former Marine Corps infantry officer, a former CIA clandestine case officer, founder of the Marine Corps Intelligence Center, and I have to tell anyone who cares to read this: I believe it. I believe it enough to want a full investigation that passes the smell test of the 9/11 families as well as objective outside observers." http://www.amazon.com
  • Article 10/27/06: "While Steele stopped short of saying 9/11 was a complete inside job, he agreed that the evidence points to the overwhelming complicity of the Bush administration.

    "The U.S. government did not properly investigate this and there are more rocks to be turned over," said Steele adding, "I'm absolutely certain that WTC 7 [570 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane] was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I'm concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated. There's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition." http://www.prisonplanet
  • Bio:http://en.wikipedia.org
 
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Melvin A. Goodman, PhD ? Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. Author and co-author of several books on international relations, including: Wars of Eduard Shevardnadze, Gorbachev's Retreat: The Third World, and Bush League Diplomacy: How the Neoconservatives Are Putting the World at Risk.

  • Congressional briefing testimony 7/22/05: "I think the 9/11 Commission has taught me that we need to be extremely rigorous and extremely tenacious in pursuing that truth, because there is a corporate mentality in this country that is working against allowing the truth to surface, even in tragedies, such as the 9/11 tragedy. ...

    I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission." http://www.vt911.org
  • Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
    "We want truthful answers to question. ? As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
    • An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
    • Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
    • Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
    • The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php
  • Bio: http://ciponline.org/biographies
 
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Lets see ...

what SHEEPIE will be the first to jump in and say, "bunch of ***s"

* Nicolas 2-1
* Bunker 3-1
* Elk Kid 4-1 (lot of SHEEP potential with this one!)
* Roscoe 6-1 (solid odds for a man who believes Oswald was the lone
gunman)
* Devil 6-1

I think the smart money is probably on Elk Kid as I think Nicolas, Bunker
and Devil are online with Dirty to see how they can get both of us banned
for good !
 
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Doc the list keeps and will grow everyday on this topic and in america.....
anyone with a brain can start to realize its all a lie...and to support these criminals is beyond disgusting...
 
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Louis Freeh ? Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001. Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.

  • Essay An Incomplete Investigation - Why did the 9/11 Commission ignore "Able Danger"? Wall Street Journal 11/17/05: "Even the most junior investigator would immediately know that the name and photo ID of Atta in 2000 is precisely the kind of tactical intelligence the FBI has many times employed to prevent attacks and arrest terrorists. Yet the 9/11 Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself. ? No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to investigate." http://www.opin
  • Editor's note: The 9/11 Commission Report asserts that only three of the alleged hijackers were known to U.S. intelligence agencies prior to 9/11; Nawaf al-Hazmi, Salem al-Hazmi, and Khalid al-Mihdar. There is no mention in the Report that the names and photographs of alleged hijacker Marwan al-Shehhi and alleged ring-leader Mohamed Atta had been identified by the Department of Defense antiterrorist program known as Able Danger more than a year prior to 9/11 and that they were known to be affiliates of al-Qaida. Able Danger also identified Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdar. http://www.foxnews.com. See also Rep. Curt Weldon, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, Capt. Scott J. Phillpott, Major Erik Kleinsmith, and James D. Smith.
  • Bio: http://www.fbi.gov/libref/directors/freeh.htm
 
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Edward L. Peck ? Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977 - 1980). 32-year veteran of the Foreign Service.

  • Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
    "We want truthful answers to question. ? As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
    • An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
    • Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
    • Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
    • The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article
 
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Joseph C. Wilson IV ? Retired diplomat of the U.S. Foreign Service, specializing in Africa. Rose to the position of Special Assistant to President Bill Clinton and Senior Director for African Affairs, National Security Council. Former Political Adviser to Commander in Chief, U.S. Armed Forces, Europe. Former U.S. Ambassador to Gabon and S?o Tom? and Pr?ncipe. Acting ambassador to Baghdad when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. 22-year Foreign Service career 1976 - 1998. In February 2002, he investigated reports of Iraq?s attempt to buy uranium from Niger for the George W. Bush administration. Husband of Valerie Plame, a covert CIA operative, specializing in weapons of mass destruction, whose identity was revealed to reporters by members of the Bush administration. In October 2003, Wilson received the Ron Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling from the Fertel Foundation and the Nation Institute.

  • Interview with Citizens for Legitimate Government 7/6/05:

    CLG: I can't let this moment pass without asking you about 9/11 and the Bush Administration. Do you notice any oddities about how the Bush Administration handled the events, the aftermath or the investigation of 9/11? Do you see any holes in the government's explanation of events?

    Joseph Wilson: I have obviously followed the inquiries into 9/11 and I know Dick Clarke and Rand Beers very well but I am not an expert. I look to the "Jersey Girls" [Kristen Breitweiser, Patty Casazza, Lorie Van Auken, and Mindy Kleinberg] who have so assiduously pushed the case in the memory of their late husbands, for real understanding. I have great admiration for them and for what they have done. They are not satisfied, so neither am I. http://www.legitgov.org
  • Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Wilson
 
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Morgan Reynolds, PhD ? Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001 - 2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

  • Video 6/2/06: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. ? We can prove that the government?s story is false." http://video.goo
  • Essay 6/9/05: "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories] and building 7 [570 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane]. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound." http://www.l...
  • Bio: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=bio
 
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William Rodriguez ? WTC survivor. An American Building Maintenance employee for twenty years, responsible for inspection and maintenance at the World Trade Center, who held the master key for the stairs. He was the last person to leave the building on September 11 and has been credited with saving many lives. For his efforts, he received the National Hero Award from the Senate of Puerto Rico. Founder, Hispanic Victims Group.

  • Article 6/24/05: Regarding an explosion in the sub-basement of the World Trade Center North Tower on 9/11, prior to any airplane impact. "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office. ...[Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Rodriguez was in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.]

    "Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

    But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

    David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

    "He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn't have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don?t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

    "I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up." http://www.arcticbeacon

    <LI class=style158>Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
  • Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
    "We want truthful answers to question. ? As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
    • An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
    • Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
    • Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
    • The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php
  • Signatory 11/19/04: Complaint filed with the Attorney General, State of New York for a new independent grand jury investigation of 9/11.

    "We, the complainant signatories below, petition the Attorney General of New York, on behalf of millions of New Yorkers who also call for a fearless independent inquiry; for the sake of residents, workers, and business owners in New York?most particularly in and near "Ground Zero"; and also on behalf of other Americans who have lost employees, friends, and family members as well as health, business, and personal assets and civil, privacy, and other rights in the events of September 11, 2001 and their aftermath.

    We approach your office as concerned citizens desiring to bring to light the truth about the events of 9/11." http://www.justicefor911.org
  • Personal website: http://www.911keymaster.com/
 
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Stucco:

well ... bye bye Nicolas/Elk Kid/Dirty/THEONE/Ktb Krusher/ Bunker ---


"anyone with a brain"
 
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Phillip Morelli ? WTC survivor. Construction worker at the World Trade Center for seven years .
  • Video interview: "At 8:30 he says he was headed for level B-4 in Tower One [North Tower], four stories below ground.

    "... As I'm walking by the main freight car of the building, in the corridor, that's when I got blown. I mean the impact of the explosion, from whatever happened, it threw me to the floor. And that's when everything started happening. It knocked me right to the floor. You didn't know what it was. Of course, you're assuming something fell over on the loading dock, something very heavy, something very big. You don't know what happened. And all of a sudden you just felt the floor moving. ... [Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Morelli was in the sub-basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.]

    I was racing -- I was going towards the bathroom. All of a sudden. I opened the door. I didn't know it was a bathroom And all of a sudden a big impact happened again. And all the ceiling tiles were falling down. The light fixtures were falling, swinging out of the ceiling. And I come running out the door and everything, the walls were down. And I now started running towards the parking lots."

    Nearly 100 floors below where the first plane hit Phil felt the devastating impact. ...

    "As I ran to the parking lots, you know, I mean, everybody screaming ... There was a lot of smoke down there. ... You gotta go clear across the whole -- from One to Two World Trade Center. That's the way you gotta run.

    And then all of a sudden it happened all over again. Building Two got hit. I don't know that. I just know something else hit us to the floor. Right in the basement you felt it. The walls were caving in. Everything that was going on. I know of people that got killed in the basement. I know of people that got broken legs in the basement. People got reconstructive surgery because the walls hit them in the face."http://real.ny1.com
  • Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
 
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Marlene Cruz - WTC survivor. Carpenter employed at the World Trade Center for 15 years.

  • ABC 9/12/01: Peter Jennings interviewed Marlene Cruz the day after 9/11. Ms. Cruz, a WTC carpenter, was injured in the basement of WTC North Tower on 9/11. She was the first casualty from the WTC to arrive at Bellevue Hospital.

    Peter Jennings: So tell me how you're feeling. How did you get there? What happened to you?

    Marlene Cruz: I work for the Trade Center. I'm one of the carpenters. And I was gonna go do a job. And I got on the elevator, the freight elevator. And I heard the first explosion. And the elevator blew up. The doors blew up. And it dropped. I was lucky that the elevator got caught between two floors.

    Peter Jennings: Which floors?

    Marlene Cruz: The B Levels. The basement levels. ... [Editor's note: At this point, Ms. Cruz was in the basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.]

    After the first explosion I was laying on the floor about 40 minutes.

    Peter Jennings: And how well do you know that subterranean part of the World Trade Center?

    Marlene Cruz: Well, I worked for the building for 15 years. I think I know it from the back of my hand. Really I didn't expect this bombing to occur after the first one, since I was in the first one, also. But when I heard that explosion that's the first thing I thought was; here we go again, another bomb. http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSGZYP--wz0
  • Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
 
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<TABLE id=Patriots borderColor=#0000cc cellPadding=10 width=800 align=center border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class="style40 style158" borderColor=#0000cc>Unidentified WTC Survivor
  • Statement to reporter 9/11/01: "Me and Mr. Harrison, Corporation Counsel, were on the 25th floor. I told him we gotta get out of here. We started walking down the stairs. We get to the 8th floor. Big Explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqSsTmWv7k&eurl=
  • Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
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Unidentified WTC Survivor
  • Statement to reporter 9/11/01: "It just went ba-boom, it was like a bomb went off, and it was like holy hell coming down them stairs. And then when we finally got to the bottom we were coming out -- on the mezzanine level there and another explosion came .... sent everyone flying. Right in front of me. Everybody just went oomph." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqSsTmWv7k&eurl=
  • Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
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Unidentified WTC Survivor
  • Statement to reporter 9/11/01: "I'm from the 82nd floor. ... We saw a shadow. It looked like a plane. The next thing we know it went ba-boom and the floor started shaking. And then we saw debris fall down. And the next thing we know we had to get out of the building. We were stuck on the stairs for a while. We finally got down to the lobby, and then when we get to the lobby there was this big explosion." http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
  • Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
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Unidentified WTC Survivor
  • Statement to reporter 9/11/01: "...and then all of a sudden it started like -- It sounded like gunfire. You know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And then all of a sudden three big explosions." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqSsTmWv7k&eurl=
  • Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
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Tom Elliot - WTC survivor. Aon Corporation, WTC South Tower, 103rd floor.
  • Article Christian Science Monitor 9/17/01: "Tom Elliott was at work in his office at the Aon Corp., an insurance brokerage firm, on the 103rd floor of the World Trade Center's other, south tower. ...

    He was just typing in a response when a bright flash of light startled him, and a rumble shook the structure [First plane impact on the North Tower]. Flames appeared to be crawling up the outside of the building, along with dark smoke and debris, burning paper and ash. ...

    "I don't know what's happening, but I think I need to be out of here," he remembers thinking. ...

    Elliott and two others headed down the building stairwell, a narrow beige corridor with a yellow stripe painted down the middle of concrete steps. ...

    They had descended three more floors [to the 67th floor] when United Airlines Flight 175 slammed into their own south tower like an arrow from a giant crossbow. It was 9:03 a.m. [Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Elliot was on the 67th floor of the South Tower, approximately 150 feet below the airplane's center of impact on floors 78 to 84.]

    Although its spectacularly televised impact was above Elliott, at first he and those around him thought an explosion had come from below. An incredible noise - he calls it an "exploding sound" - shook the building, and a tornado of hot air and smoke and ceiling tiles and bits of drywall came flying up the stairwell.

    "In front of me, the wall split from the bottom up," he says." http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0917/p1s1-usgn.html
  • Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.
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Doc Mercer

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Re: Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

Love it ....

FOX NEWS is running tonite some bullshit documentary on Berger ...
 
dirty

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Re: Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

a whole thread of Doc talking to himself
 
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Re: Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

Really?

This is Stucco's thread so you can stop the bullshit right now if you
are gonna start the bullshit Bunker tried about me and Stucco being
the same
 
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roscoe

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Re: Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

the wackos are out in force today!stucco has taken over as head lunatic!
 
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wow ...

Dirty shows up and here comes Roscoe!!

and I thought Foley had strong IM connections
 
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roscoe

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Re: Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

Lloyd England's taxicab was hit by a lightpole as American Airlines Flight 77 passed over Washington Boulevard and crashed into the Pentagon.

i guess the pole was hit by the missile.:LMAO
 
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dirty

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Re: Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

Nah Roscoe...Rumsfeld Pushed it over before he helped the Victims
 
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Roscoe:

Really? How come NO DAMAGE TO THE FRONT LAWN????

PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW 100 TONS OF STEEL SKIDS ACROSS THE FRONT LAWN AND LEAVES NO MARKS???


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 
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Downed Light Poles:

Pole 1 The thing I find so interesting about this picture is the glass on the pavement in proximity of the pole. A jet going roughly 400 MPH hitting the pole and the glass from the light lands near where the pole is. The glass should have shattered the instant the plane hit the pole and land in a totally different area. This pole looks like it was just tossed into this position. What is also interesting in all the pole pictures is that the poles seem to have snapped off at the base. The mid section of the pole isn't even bent or dented, which is where the maximum stress would be as the pole bends.
Pole 1
Pole 1
Pole 3
Pole 4
Pole 4
Pole 5



Normal Base of a the Light Poles.

It appears that some of the light poles were ripped completely out, base and all.
Safe Breakaway Light Poles:
http://www.transpo.com/Transpo_Sheets_PDF/Pole_safe.pdf
Pole 1 may have been a Breakaway type light pole, but the other 3 poles we have pictures of don't appear to have this kind of technology designed into the them.
Note there is no pic I can find of Pole 2. So for now we will analyze these pictures.
  • In all the pictures I saw of these down poles I did not see any pictures of the where they poles were ripped out or broken. Another explanation of why the poles were knocked down is that C4 explosives could have been used to take out the poles. If you notice the pictures the clean cuts. It may be difficult to prove, but it is an idea that may have creedance. I need to investigate this area of thought further.
  • Witnesses claim that the poles were taken down by the wings of the 757. In every case where a pole was hit no aircraft metal or objects seemed to have come off where the poles were.
  • A piece of Airplane Debris Found by a downed lamp post. Yup it's a real smoking gun right? Well please explaining where on the American Airlines Boeing 757 wing is there paint that is white? There is some white on the nose cone and on the upper sides of the plane. Now the Global Hawk however does have some versions that are painted white. To further this if this is all that was found after hitting 5 poles I am truly amazed! I don't believe that this would be off any plane that hit 5 poles as I discuss bellow.
  • Considering the sheer strength of the poles I find it hard to imagine that wing wasn't severely damaged. The other thing about the light poles is that the plane was traveling very fast, about 400 MPH. If the plane hit the poles going that speed the poles wouldn't be close the road or on the road, rather they would be thrown a long way from the road, providing they didn't sheer the wings off.
  • If you examine the area where the poles are lying down you will not see any damage to the grass and the one on the road the glass is
Considering the sheer strength of the poles I find it hard to imagine that wing wasn't severely damaged. The other thing about the light poles is that the plane was traveling very fast, about 400 MPH. If the plane hit the poles going that speed the poles wouldn't be close the road or on the road, rather they would be thrown a long way from the road, providing they didn't sheer the wings off. Hence we are talking about 5 poles here not one!

Here is what a wooden pole does to a car:

Photo: Gian Luiso
To further this example, think about all the radio towers perched up on all the buildings and around town. They all have aircraft warning lights on them right? What would happen to a plane if it hit just one of those towers, not least to say Five!


Bottom line is we have all seen accident pictures of cars crashing into light poles and know the kind of damage that can be done to car. So what about an airplane wing? The Plane would be a fireball before it even hit the pentagon and probably would have crashed into the lawn first as it would be pulled down by hitting the poles and rupturing fuel tanks in the wings. The Light Poles are planted and a detraction. With a little Photoshop Pro work anything can be manufactured wouldn't you say? However if the poles were down I suspect they wouldn't have been brought down by Flight 77.



























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































A Boeing 757 can carry up to 11,489 Gallons of Fuel. Tanks are located in the under-belly and sometimes in the wings. The fire was limited to outer section and roof areas. The section of the Pentagon hit was only 5 days from completion of some very heavy fortified renovations. Heavy steel beams etc put into the building. Interesting that they were only 5 days away from the renovations when they got hit don't you think? It was interesting how all the fuel spewed out the World Trade Center but nothing spewed out of the Pentagon into the other sections. Odd thing, however if you check on the WTC page you will see that a 767 was fitted with some kind of fuel bomb to increase the drama I guess. The Fuel still burns at around 875 degrees and steel melts at 2800 degrees.
One final point about the poles. The so called terrorists had only about 10 hours simulator flight time a little bit of actual Cessna training and probably some played around with a flight simulator on a home computer from what I have heard on documentaries. The It is odd don't you think that the plan would swing around and hit the side of the Pentagon where the aerial marker was in the lawn. Also to steer a plane perfectly through 5 lamp poles just skimming the ground is pretty tough for a real pilot let alone armatures under a great deal of stress and chaos. There is no way in my mind that they could have flown the course they did and the course they did fly makes no logical sense. When you are determined to hit something like the pentagon, you don't aim for a particular wall you come in from above and you dive at it. To hit the pentagon the way they did is way beyond their skills and abilities. It is so much easier to just dive in at the Pentagon then to be slamming into Light Poles etc. With the total lack of airplane wreckage, bodies and luggage etc. it makes no sense that a 757 hit the Pentagon at all. There are a number of other supporting websites and theories that support this argument. Just a comment for now. I'll keep working on it.
Just as a side note, put yourself in the terrorists shoes for a moment. If you had a choice of hitting the Pentagon or the west wing of the White House, which target would you pick? I'll leave it at that.
It is still difficult to explain away why the Pentagon wall did not have any marks on it in terms of wing impact. The limestone would surely have been damaged by the wings. The block used to smash the F4 was designed to resist the impact of the F4, but I don't think the Pentagon wall was designed to take a hit by a Boeing 757, even with the upgrades that they were just completing, proof of that is the hole and damage created by the aircraft that hit the Pentagon, the block that stopped the F4 has no hole in it. I'll Leave this one for you to decide.
 
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roscoe

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The Attack on the Pentagon.
Unlike the WTC attacks, the Pentagon is rather simple and cut-and-dried. The official version is correct: The west side of the building was struck by American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757. The evidence is clear, unequivocal, and overwhelming. The alternative conspiracy theories (impact by a fighter plane or cruise missile) are plainly false, and at times simply pathetic.
This conclusion is compelling when we apply "the David Hume test? to the conspiracy theory: namely, the improbability of CT being true, despite the evidence for OV. Specifically, for CT to be true, we must also assume that:
Hundreds of eyewitnesses on the George Washington Parkway at morning rush-hour were either (a) victims of mass-hallucination, or (b) taken aside and threatened or bribed to testify falsely that they saw a commercial aircraft.
Immediately after the impact, squads of conspirators rushed to the scene (including the inside of the burning Pentagon) to plant body parts, personal effects, and bogus aircraft parts (some, like the engines and landing gear weighing several hundred pounds). Others dumped aviation fuel, to "falsely" suggest involvement of an airplane.
Alternatively, eyewitness testimony of those claiming to find these parts were also coerced, and published photographic evidence faked. All press reports were also concocted to give credence to the official version.
Finally, some explanation must be presented as to the fate of Flight 77 and its passengers, which somehow disappeared without any further trace at the precise time the alleged military aircraft or cruise missile approached and struck the Pentagon.
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Sorry, but its just too much for me to swallow.
game,set,match
 
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It was a Missle as Rumsfeld admitted ....

look at the rounded 20x20 opening in the Pentagon

Where are the wings, tail section and passenger luggage?

Again, the key question: NO DAMAGE TO THE FRONT LAWN OF THE
PENTAGON???


I love these eye "witnesses" ... ONE OF EM CLAIMED "AS THE PLANE WAS PASSING OVER HEAD I COULD THE FACES OF PASSENGERS"

BULL FUCKIN SHIT ... TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!!


LOOK AT THE "EYEWITNESS" ON THE STREETS OF NYC THAT DAY .. RIGHT AFTER THE WTC #1 DROPPED SOME FAT ASS IS TELLING AMERICA THAT IT DROPPED FROM "THE FIRES THAT MELTED THE STEEL" --- GO STICK THAT BULLSHIT COMMENTARY UP GIULANIS ASS!!!
 
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Re: Famous Americans questioning 911 and calling it a scam

ROSCOE:

SHOW THE DAMN COMMERCIAL AIRLINE JET!!!

SHOW THE TAIL AND WING SECTIONS AS THOSE THINGS JUST DONT DISAPPEAR!!!


GAME / SET / MATCH IS RIGHT: THE 9-11 GOVT VERSION IS BULLSHIT AND ONLY THOSE WITH THEIR HEADS UP THEIR BUTTHOLES CANT SEE THE REALITY
 
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[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Bluepentagon.wmv[/FONT]

[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]At the end is also an interesting tidbit about ground level explosions at the WTC.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Once Harvey accidentally said something true:
"Pentagon explosion was characterised by a bright blue light"
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That's for sure.

[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Blue alright. More than one camera caught blueness.
Purpleness, even. [/FONT]

[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]This is Ultraviolet Radiation. More Blue Pentagon:
http://niftythings.org/usattack/pentagon/1041301.jpg
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http://www.croaghross.com/itsatheory/xero/piultraviolet.htm

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[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Jets don't cause ultraviolet interference. Not big jets, not little jets. [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]EMP weaponry does, though !![/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono] [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]ultraviolet laser tesla weapon secret - Google Search [/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]totse.com | The Tesla Howitzer
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/bskies4.html
Latest Updates 3 [/FONT]
 
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roscoe

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calm down doc.facts,just stick to the facts and there is absolutlely no doubt that 19 arab hijackers pulled off the greatest act of terrorism to date. period.
no bush no chenney no northwood.
 
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[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Confusing Animation with Video[/FONT]

[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]This is a relatively honest rendition of the five hoax frames as animation. These frames have date marks like the first released version, but this gif has the coloration of the Star Tribune frames. [/FONT]
<table align="center" border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="2" width="600"> <tbody><tr> <td width="414">[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono][/FONT]</td> <td rowspan="3" valign="top" width="172"> [FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]The five original phony frames were cropped differently from one another.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]This makes the entire scene jerk about when animated.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]The second frame in particular had the edges rounded to make it look like the camera was in a housing, but this effect was not continued through the other frames.
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[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]It is much more likely that the inpainting on the corners of the original second frame is to hide something interesting that we weren't supposed to see.[/FONT]
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http://www.911review.org/images/pentanimorig.gif [/FONT] </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="414"> [FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]What is going on in the upper corner?
What is there a big gray splotch in the second frame?[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Notice how fast the frames move to trick the eye into seeing motion. The SBD animation solves this problem with interframes.[/FONT]
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> [FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Somebody up in Empire Central was struck dumb with fear that Therry Meissen had blown a key part of their scam, so some secret team with little photoshop skill and a tight deadline rushed through a coverup job to provide evidence of a plane. Since then, the sophistication of the presentation has improved dramatically. [/FONT]
<table align="center" border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="2" width="600"><tbody><tr> <td width="414">[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=5,0,0,0" height="236" width="388">

<embed src="http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/voila/pentanimxox_test2.swf" quality="high" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="236" width="388"> </object>[/FONT]
</td> <td rowspan="3" valign="top" width="172"> [FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]This flash animation is truly a masterwork of deception.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]Five frames have morphed into 25, using different transparency settings and merging images to look "more realistic."[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]The second frame had to be replaced entirely. This has to be a clue. I'm not sure a clue to what.[/FONT]

</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="414"> [FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono] Flight 77 3d sim test[/FONT] </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="414"> [FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]This animation was created from fresh source files, not the 60-quality Jpgs that were officially released to the public. Since the original was Flash, it yielded an excellent set of enlargements[/FONT]
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