Sports/Poker gambling question

Tim Patterson

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Question to the board:

1) How did you get interested in wagering on sports and/or playing poker?
2) How long have you been at it?


For me, I have always been active in sports. My trail has gone from bowling, to softball ( I toured California for a few years playing tournaments every week each summer) to golf (was addicted to it for 15 years) to now racquetball (last 15 years). It was a natural progression into sports wagering. A friend of mine took me into a sports-book in 1992 so he could make a wager. That's all it took. I've been wagering since that time to where now I wager daily.
 

idiotspayforpick

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when I got done playing baseball I was looking for something to compete at. That is how I started. I actually ran numbers for a few people which kept my interest in stats. I have been doing it ever since which is almost 20 years now. Lots of lumps and bumps along the way and the resurface to often. It's enjoyable if you take the right approach and don't get to cocky or greedy. An even temper helps as well.
 

PO69

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Well I started gambling back around 1988. I was an active bookie by 1990-1994. Then when I lived in Mexico for 5 years was betting on a daily basis at their "legal" sportsbooks. I used to even bet baseball back then on a DAILY basis.

Does anyone else remember seeing over/under of 5.5 for Smoltz and Maddux back in the day with the Braves?? You STILL bet the under because the Braves couldnt score with their own wives back then.

I have bet on a daily basis every since then. I bet more on baseball than any other sport, but I also love betting the NBA
 

iceko

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Boxing in the gym at age 16 I bet this one kid $25 that I could whoop him in a 4 round sparrin match. The kid at the time was ranked #7 in the nation....he laughed and agreed to the bet. He got beat bad and I collected my $25 bucks and now have gone on to compete in amature boxing and now have a record of 32-0 ...needless to say I have been hooked ever since.
 

idiotspayforpick

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hey good for you. I love boxing. I also compete in the amateur ranks when I was younger. I had 74 fights. For those who know nothing about the amateur ranks we start young and fight often. 74 fights isn't a ton believe it or not. I ended fighting at 63-11, nothing to write home about. My claim to fame was fighting Joey Gamache who went on to finish around 55-4 or so as a pro. He got pummeled by Gatti in 02 (career ender) and also fought Chavez (lost tko 8th or 9th) and Nazarov which started the end with a cut...all ended badly. He was the former IBF & WBA inter cont super feather champ as well as the NABF champ. I think he held 4 titles in all. He lost the WBA lightweight title to Tony Lopez as well. Man I am getting old for sure.

32-0 is very impressive, I wish you all the best. Keep us posted.
 

idiotspayforpick

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literally a career ender:

<CENTER>--Gatti Destroys Gamache in Two Rounds--
By Luis Escobar </CENTER>
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Arturo Gatti's power was back on display in the Garden and Joey Gamache paid the price. The full price at 2:19 of the second round.
Gamache went down like he had been hit by 105-mm howitzer. The former world champion was on the canvas for more seven minutes before his cornermen were finally able to help him to his feet.
Gamache's synapses and motor skills eventually returned to this universe after Arturo Gatti registered one of the most brutal knockouts in Madison Square Garden history. That's a lot of time and a lot of leather but Gatti's destruction of Gamache ranks with the all-time best.
"I didn't expect the fight to end that soon, the victorious Gatti said after the KO. "In the first round, when I hit him to the floor, I knew I was too strong for him."
No less than four New York ring doctors hovered around Gamache waiting for him to come to and regain consciousness. Gamache was able to make it up to a setting position and after another two minutes, he finally regained his feet.
"Don't put me on a stretcher," the 33 year-old Gamache told the doctors. "I want to walk out."
--Tough Night--
After scoring two knockdowns in the 1st, Gatti, the former IBF junior lightweight king, drilled Gamache with a left hook that staggered the ex-WBA champ early in the second round. Gatti (31-4, 26 KO's) followed up with a searing right uppercut. Gamache's (55-4, 39 KO's) head snapped back from the blow and he started to fall backwards. However, before he hit the deck, Gatti (140) connected with yet another withering left-right combination. Gamache, Bath, Maine, was out cold before his unconscious body slammed into the floor.
Referee Benji Estaves immediately waved off the one-sided contest 41-seconds into the 2nd, as the ringside doctors rushed to the aid of the fallen fighter. The Garden crowd was largely silent as doctors worked over Gamache and applauded loudly when the boxer finally was able to rise. The stunning knockouts after ten straight victories may very well signal an end to Gamache's pro career. With the victory, Gatti, Jersey City, NJ, jump started his flagging career and he now has his sites set on WBC super lightweight king Kostya Tszyu, hopefully as soon as late April.
 

idiotspayforpick

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Gatti fight side bar:

Joey Gamache, (born on May 20, 1966 in Lewiston, Maine), was a professional boxer.
Gamache turned pro in 1987 and won his first 28 bouts, including victories over Jerry Ngobeni to capture the Vacant WBA Super Featherweight Title in 1991 and Chil-Sung Chun to capture the Vacant WBA Lightweight Title in 1992. Gamache lost the Lightweight belt in his first defense to Tony Lopez via an 11th round TKO. In 1994 he took on Orzubek Nazarov for the WBA Lightweight Title, but suffered a TKO in the 2nd. He never fought for a title again, and retired in 2000 after being brutally knocked out by Arturo Gatti. Gamache allegedly sustained permanent brain damage in the loss, and filed lawsuits against both Gatti and the New York State Athletic Commission. He alleges that Gatti weighed significantly more than the contracted weight at the time of the fight [1].
Gamache is the only boxer from Maine to capture a world boxing title.
 

idiotspayforpick

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I had a few facts a little off my memory is a bit old.


After losing his WBC light welterweight title to Oscar De la Hoya, Ch?vez took only four months off before facing contender Joey Gamache. He won by an eighth-round TKO.
ALSO ON THE CARD - Michael Carbajal knocked out Tomas Rivera in five to retain his IBF light flyweight title. Erik Morales knocked out Pedro Javier Torres in two. Jose Luis Castillo knocked out Roberto Valenzuela in six. Enrique Sanchez scored a sixth-round TKO over Jorge Munoz. Daniel Santos knocked out Ramon Acosta in one.
THE OPPONENT - Joey Gamache of Maine had began with a somewhat successful amateur career: he was the 1982 National Junior Olympics lightweight champion, made it to the finals of the national Golden Gloves in '84 and made it to the semifinalso of the 1984 Olympic Trials at age 17. (Amateur record: 84-12) He debuted in pro boxing in 1987 and his first loss came with his first national exposure June 1988 on a USA broadcast when he lost a decision to Benny Marquez. He won the IBF intercontinental super featherweight title in 1990 and the vacant WBA super featherweight title the following year. In 1992, Gamache moved up to face Chil-Sung Chun for the vacant WBA lightweight title and won with a ninth-round TKO, but lost the title just months later with a TKO loss to Tony Lopez. However, he continued to beat such contenders as Jeff Bumphus and Jeff Mayweather and got a shot at the WBA lightweight title in 1994. His loss to champion Orzubek Nazarov kept him out of the top ranks for a while, but he won a decision over Rocky Martinez in '96 to win the WBU light welterweight title and had the opportunity to fight Ch?vez later that year. After that fight, Gamache would remain unbeaten for ten fights before losing to Arturo Gatti in 2000 by a second-round knockout. Unfortunately, the injuries he sustained in that fight ended his career. He retired with a record of 55-4 (38).
ROUND ONE - Gamache started out strong, throwing lots of punches, but few of them got past Ch?vez's defense. For most of the fight Gamache was just moving around Ch?vez, keeping the distance, with some light trading between the two.
ROUND TWO - Gamache again came out looking aggressive, but this time mostly just feinting and trying to psyche Ch?vez out. When they started trading again, Ch?vez got in some good punches that made Gamache clinch a few times in the round, but Gamache was still doing most of the punching. Neither fighter appeared to be at all hurt yet this round.
ROUNDS THREE, FOUR - Gamache continued to circle around Ch?vez, at times stepping in to throw combos with bad intentions but with ineffective results. Ch?vez remained patient, conserved his energy and mostly just got in a left hook to the head or body from time to time. These hard hooks were doing their damage, though, as could be seen from Gamache's propensity to clinching.
ROUND FIVE - Ch?vez came out stronger this round, and the crowd was chanting his name. Gamache looked a little scared, moving around a lot and keeping his distance rather than throwing so many punches. Ch?vez was definitely in control of the fight now, as he started landing harder punches. In the middle of the round, a hard left hook flush on Gamache's cheek looked like it might have hurt him, but Ch?vez was not able to follow up. After Ch?vez landed a straight right, Gamache retaliated with a combo of just glancing blows. In the later part of the round, Gamache was clinching a lot. Moving in to the clinch, he butted heads with Ch?vez. Referee Marty Denkin had warned him to watch his head twice already in the fight and now deducted a point. Ch?vez continued to land a few more punches as the round came to a close.
ROUND SIX - Gamache clinched at the start of the round, but both fighters were still throwing punches in the clinch, including a rabbit punch landed by Gamache; they both received warnings from the referee. Gamache was throwing punches still but clinched whenever Ch?vez came in with his hard shots. Ch?vez got another warning for a rabbit shot in one of the clinches. More hard shots by Ch?vez and more holding by Gamache before the end of the round.
ROUND SEVEN - Again, Ch?vez landed a lot of hard punches, and Gamache did a lot of clinching. Gamache was holding in well, despite his bloody nose and cuts under both his eyes. However, his punches were still ineffective, and he had to focus more on defense. ROUND EIGHT - Hard shots continued by Ch?vez. Within the first minute of the fight, Gamache seemed a little less steady on his feet, but it only encouraged him to throw more punches. He worked around Ch?vez and threw combos to keep Ch?vez from getting set. Ch?vez found his way in, though, and with a minute left into the round landed a series of punches to Gamache's head. Gamache tried to hold but was kept off and instead stood right in front of Ch?vez, trading punches. At the bell, the referee looked at the battered, bloody and exhausted Gamache and waved the fight off, giving Ch?vez the TKO victory.
 

iceko

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I wish you all the best. Keep us posted.


Thanks man....yea people in the amatures fight almost too much. I know some guys who have 200-300 fights, and alot of time what happens is when they go pro there bodies are just so worn down they end up retiring early or gettin whooped on. Where did you used to box at? Take care.
 

idiotspayforpick

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sorry to bore you guys just a follow up to the claim on Gatti's weight:

Controversy against Gamache

His first fight of 2000 proved to be controversial, however. Faced with former world champion Joey Gamache, Gatti won by a knockout in round two. But when Gamache went into a coma for a day and it was discovered that Gatti had gained 19 pounds since the weight-in the day before and thus had a large advantage in size over Gamache, boxing legislators pushed for a new law requiring boxers not to exceed a certain amount of extra weight from the weight accorded on the day of the fight. Gatti was also accused by Gamache's handlers of not having actually made the contracted weight of 141 lbs. After Gatti-Gamache, boxing commissions started weighing the boxers a second time, on the day of the fight.
Gatti then won his two other fights that year, over lesser quality name opponents.
 

iceko

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Klitschko fights today at 5:00 et LIVE on HBO from Germany.........should be a good fight.
 

idiotspayforpick

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back in the day look at the hold and punch by nazarov in the 2nd round. Talk about illegal these days.

YouTube - Orzubek Nazarov vs Joey Gamache

gatti fight:

12rds of boxing in the Jr. Welterweight Division. Watch as Gatti comes in at 20lbs over the limit to fight former 2 time champ Joey Bolony Gamache. Quality is not that great but it's viewable. Thanks to SPIZ!

http://hardcoreboxing.net/php-files/downloads.php
 

idiotspayforpick

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I fought in New England and Canada. I enjoyed it, lots of discipline and made some good friends. As in baseball not good enough to climb to the top of Everest but was fun.

I hear ya, I have friends that fought well into the 100's for fights. If you're trained right the amatuers is a good thing and doesn;t hurt you to much. If you get bad advice and have mediocre skills you are definitely shot before you get to the dance.

Peter Manfredo is a big deal in New England now. He is one of the worst boxers I have ever seen and have no clue why he is getting any run. I'm not lying I'd get off my couch and slpa him around right now after I put my beer down.

I admire your record and dedication as you would not be undefeated with a bad work ethic regardless of who you fight. Boxing is a brutal sport and has no room for the mentally challenged. It is to bad it is in the state it is in. When I was growing up boxing ruled.

It's still a good sport although I don't watch it much. I follow it religiously but refuse to pay for the fights they have on the tube these days. It's hard to bet on with the corruption as well.

Anyhow, I wish you all the best and keep working hard. Trust me there are hard times ahead and how you deal with them will last you a life time.

salute brother
 
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Boxing in the gym at age 16. now have gone on to compete in amature boxing and now have a record of 32-0

I had 74 fights. For those who know nothing about the amateur ranks we start young and fight often. 74 fights isn't a ton believe it or not. I ended fighting at 63-11
Note to self:

Do NOT piss these guys off.



I was drawn to sports betting by the numerical challenge. I was exposed to it early on and saw almost everyone losing. I took note of the habits of the few winners and went that route.
 

idiotspayforpick

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funny Hoffa, I'm a @@@@@!

a little more on Gatti/Gamache suit and boxings questionable rules:

Gamache files second suit over weigh-in before final KO
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) ? Four years after the knockout that ended his career, ex-champ Joey Gamache has a nephew boxing professionally, a new attorney and another lawsuit claiming fraud at his final weigh-in.
The 37-year-old also has neurological damage and headaches still from the brutal two-round KO by a larger man, said attorney Michael Coyle. Gamache has been doing some work as a boxing trainer and promoter but said the migraines stop him and he takes medications.
"I'm always optimistic in the sense that's the way I grew up," Gamache said Wednesday. "If I'm not feeling good or suffering, if I'm having problems, I keep things to myself."
The problems are public in federal court in Manhattan, where the latest lawsuit named boxer Arturo Gatti, his manager Patrick Lynch, promoters Top Rank and Main Events, former New York State Athletic Commission executive director Anthony Russo and ex-chairman Melville Southard Jr. The suit claims they all knew Gatti was overweight but made sure the fight went ahead.
"Joey's professional career as a fighter was ended by what, as far as I'm concerned, was a total fraud on the part of Gatti, his people, the promoters and the athletic commission," Coyle said.
Known for winning a $4.4 million jury award in 1996 for Kevin Rooney after the trainer was fired by heavyweight Mike Tyson, Coyle took over Gamache's case in December.
The defendants have denied any wrongdoing, saying Gatti reached the 141-pound contract limit and has been prone to gaining several pounds between weigh-ins and boxing matches the next day. The state inspector general's office agreed in a report last year.
The new suit seeking $10 million was filed on the four-year anniversary of the Feb. 26, 2000, HBO-televised fight. A $5.5 million suit against the commission filed two years ago is pending in the state Court of Claims.
The suits allege Russo let Gatti step off the scale even as the needle went all the way up, and then ignored complaints by Gamache's handlers. Less than 24 hours later, HBO unofficially weighed the boxers again, and Gatti came in at 160 pounds, while Gamache weighed 145.
"No human being puts on 10 pounds of muscle overnight. It's supposed to be a fair fight, and that's not a fair fight," said Coyle. He has the weigh-in videotape, he said.
Gatti, who now holds a world title at junior welterweight, has said his weight was questioned only because the fight was a blowout. "If I had beat him up for five or six rounds, then nobody would have said anything," he said.
Lynch has questioned the accuracy of the HBO's unofficial second weigh-in on fight night at Madison Square Garden, saying it was a bathroom scale on an uneven floor.
A spokesman for the athletic commission, which Russo left later in 2000, declined to comment on pending litigation.
The state attorney general's office is defending the commission in the Court of Claims and denied allegations of negligence and fraud, saying that Gamache knew the risks in boxing, and any injuries were caused by his own conduct or others for whom the commission is not responsible.
Gamache was knocked down twice in the first round and out in the second.
The Manhattan district attorney's office looked into allegations of athletic commission (NYSAC) wrongdoing and turned findings over to the state inspector general's office (OSIG), which issued its report last year.
The inspector general found "no reason ... to conclude that whatever events occurred at the weigh-in or thereafter were the result of any NYSAC official's improper conduct. NYSAC told OSIG that there has been no lawsuit filed or action requested by anyone involved in that bout."
Gamache's former attorney announced publicly weeks after the fight they were making a claim against the commission and would sue.
The inspector general also noted that Gamache's handlers had rejected an advance offer for a same-day weigh-in.
Same day weigh-ins are considered riskier because of boxer dehydration, Coyle said. Gamache himself was struggling to get under 141 pounds. The ex-boxer said that's really the issue.
"Who couldn't have admiration for a guy like Joe Gatti who fights his heart out. He's a warrior," Gamache said. "But if I had to make weight, he should have had to make weight."
The inspector general's report said weigh-in procedures by the commission had recently improved. "New digital scales are being used for a more accurate reading," the report said. "When the official weight is called, the opposite side must give a 'thumbs up' in approval."
Gamache, a former world junior lightweight and lightweight champion, ended his 14-year career with 55-4 pro record and 38 knockouts. By contract he got $65,000 for the last fight, plus $10,000 for expenses. He spent two days in the hospital. He has since trained his nephew and some other fighters at Gleason's Gym in Brooklyn and returned to his hometown of Lewiston, Maine, in March for 18-year-old Ryan Gamache's winning pro debut, a first-round knockout.
Gatti, 32, from Jersey City, got $300,000 for the Gamache fight four years ago, according to court papers. In January, he outpointed Gianluca Branco in 12 rounds in Atlantic City to win the WBC junior welterweight title. He's expected to fight unbeaten Leonard Dorin in Atlantic City in July.
 

iceko

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Peter Manfredo is a big deal in New England now. He is one of the worst boxers I have ever seen and have no clue why he is getting any run. I'm not lying I'd get off my couch and slpa him around right now after I put my beer down


I couldnt agree more, he has nothing to offer. The CONTENDER was the best thing that could of happened to him, he got so much exposure from that TV series.
 

idiotspayforpick

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ps - I forgot my fave word gets cancelled out these days...I'm a chick part is what I said

:+textinb3 :+textinb3
 

iceko

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no doubt about that. Im not saying a dislike the guy, hes very down to earth and seems like a nice guy, I just dont respect his boxing skills.
 

iceko

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say what you wish about him though....best boxer P4P right now is floyd mayweather.
 

idiotspayforpick

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well we can't agree on Mayweather but we all have opinions. I am not much on fighters who always go backwards. Call me old school but the slap and run routine doesn't do it for me. But I also understand the other side of the coin. I was a Hagler fan myself which means I also don't have much respect for ray Leonard. I will state for the record that is only my opinion and I won't get into a hagler/leonard debate with anyone...I have been there and done that.

Have a great weekend
 

idiotspayforpick

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sorry about the boxing I will leave the thread now before I do more damage to your main objective. My apologies....few beers, to many baby back ribs, got carried away.
 
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1) Saw an ad for sportsbook.com in a magazine my freshman year in college... Thought "I know my baseball, that can't be too hard"... About a million and a half -1.5 runline bets on NL teams that won by 1 run later, I was completely hooked. Still can't handicap baseball to save my life.

2) Lets see... Freshman year in college.... About 8 years now.
 
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