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IS NEW ENGLAND THE VERY BEST NFL TEAM IN HISTORY?
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Is there + money on a field bet ?
Is there + money on a field bet ?
Journeyman
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Maybe it is partly the rest of football just isn't as good...look back at last years champion Indy who was not as good as the Indy of years previous but they still were the champion in 2006.
I'm not 100% convinced part of this is the rest of football is just not as good as we've seen.
Is this team more dominant than the 49ers teams, Dallas early 90's , 85 Bears? Or my beloved Steelers of the 70's?
They were close to losing and looked very ordinary at Indy.
Maybe it is partly the rest of football just isn't as good...look back at last years champion Indy who was not as good as the Indy of years previous but they still were the champion in 2006.
I'm not 100% convinced part of this is the rest of football is just not as good as we've seen.
Is this team more dominant than the 49ers teams, Dallas early 90's , 85 Bears? Or my beloved Steelers of the 70's?
They were close to losing and looked very ordinary at Indy.
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Well excuse the Patriots for looking ordinary on the ROAD against arguably the second best team in the NFL and they still WON...
Well excuse the Patriots for looking ordinary on the ROAD against arguably the second best team in the NFL and they still WON...
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Here is where you argument hits a snag. I also think the steelers would beat them but then you have to remember the size difference. Heck i think there are safety's as big as Lambert now. Steelers were fantastic all the way around but probably 40 pounds lighter at almost every position lol.
Here is where you argument hits a snag. I also think the steelers would beat them but then you have to remember the size difference. Heck i think there are safety's as big as Lambert now. Steelers were fantastic all the way around but probably 40 pounds lighter at almost every position lol.
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Could be?
They will be more than a 3 TD favorite...
Could be?
They will be more than a 3 TD favorite...
wrigley
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Your right make that 14-0 vs. 0-14 and you know Billy is going to remember Donnie asteriak comment.
Your right make that 14-0 vs. 0-14 and you know Billy is going to remember Donnie asteriak comment.
Journeyman
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Obviously we cannot compare eras when it comes to physicality.
The Steelers never dominated a season like this...they did dominate most of the 1970s but there were many great teams sprinkled all around them.
I'm just not sure New England has the same type of competition...they make every game look like 95 Nebraska vs Kansas.
The Steelers gave up a total of 28 points the final 9 games of the 1976 season that was a different kind of domination and then lost the AFC title game to Oakland....or the 85 Bears, or even the Ravens of 2000 , it would take a defense like that to 'possibly' stymie them , the Steelers were the only one of the three who could also score...again very hard to compare eras though.
Obviously we cannot compare eras when it comes to physicality.
The Steelers never dominated a season like this...they did dominate most of the 1970s but there were many great teams sprinkled all around them.
I'm just not sure New England has the same type of competition...they make every game look like 95 Nebraska vs Kansas.
The Steelers gave up a total of 28 points the final 9 games of the 1976 season that was a different kind of domination and then lost the AFC title game to Oakland....or the 85 Bears, or even the Ravens of 2000 , it would take a defense like that to 'possibly' stymie them , the Steelers were the only one of the three who could also score...again very hard to compare eras though.
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Hey wrigley this is off topic. I use to watch wrestling for years but got away from it for a couple of years. recently i have seen a few shows and i got a prediction for you. tonight there is a payperveiw and that little midget is fighting that Giant. I bet ya that triple H gets involved in this match so this will be the next story line. It was so nice when he was away but here we go again with him dominating every show line. First he started with that somoan monster and you just watch. His next script will be against the giant. Could be wrong here but i doubt it. Oh and by the way don't let anyone know we were talking wrestling. thanks
Hey wrigley this is off topic. I use to watch wrestling for years but got away from it for a couple of years. recently i have seen a few shows and i got a prediction for you. tonight there is a payperveiw and that little midget is fighting that Giant. I bet ya that triple H gets involved in this match so this will be the next story line. It was so nice when he was away but here we go again with him dominating every show line. First he started with that somoan monster and you just watch. His next script will be against the giant. Could be wrong here but i doubt it. Oh and by the way don't let anyone know we were talking wrestling. thanks
wrigley
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Actually Finlay save the little guy tonight when khali was about to apply the claw Finlay made the save. Also Edge is back he interferred in the hell in the cell match
BACK TO TOPIC !
Actually Finlay save the little guy tonight when khali was about to apply the claw Finlay made the save. Also Edge is back he interferred in the hell in the cell match
BACK TO TOPIC !
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When you look at New England they really are not that great at every position. Running backs are average. The defense can be scored on. this is a very bad league right now and with expansion it will never get any better. Unless other countries would like to participate down the road like they did in Hockey but i think they rather play soccer uggh.
When you look at New England they really are not that great at every position. Running backs are average. The defense can be scored on. this is a very bad league right now and with expansion it will never get any better. Unless other countries would like to participate down the road like they did in Hockey but i think they rather play soccer uggh.
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I just found this column...
And it's not even close according to them...
As the New England Patriots drive ever closer to an undefeated season, the spotlight gets a little warmer for the 1972 Dolphins. If -- and it's a big if -- the Pats somehow pull it off, which of the two teams will history anoint as the best ever?
Well, from this vantage point it won't even be close.
We'll even forget that New England will have to win 19 games, whereas Miami only had to win 17.
All you have to look at is strength of schedule and you'll find that the old Dolphins pulled off their undefeated season against inferior opposition. Miami's 14 regular season opponents combined for a record of 70-122-4 (a winning percentage of .367). Not one of their opponents made it to the playoffs. In fact, only two Miami opponents that year (the Giants and Chiefs) had records over .500.
Those '72 Dolphins remain to this day the only Super Bowl winner since the merger that didn't have to play against even one playoff team in the regular season. In the same vein, they are the only Super Bowl winner that didn't face at least one team with nine wins or more. Miami's three playoff wins were by six, four and seven points.
Already this season, the Patriots have had to beat their chief rivals, Indianapolis, who also happen to feature New England quarterback Tom Brady's arch-enemy, Peyton Manning. They have also played and beaten the best team in the NFC, the Dallas Cowboys, who also feature a high-end QB in Tony Romo.
Six of the nine teams New England has beaten have records better than .500 and three of their final seven games will be against foes with current records better than .500. Moreover, they are on pace not just to beat them all, but beat them by an aggregate total of 369 points.
A lot can happen in the course of a 16-game season, plus three playoff games, and the odds are still against the Patriots going undefeated. But if they do, there is almost no argument that they will be the greatest team of all time.
I just found this column...
And it's not even close according to them...
As the New England Patriots drive ever closer to an undefeated season, the spotlight gets a little warmer for the 1972 Dolphins. If -- and it's a big if -- the Pats somehow pull it off, which of the two teams will history anoint as the best ever?
Well, from this vantage point it won't even be close.
We'll even forget that New England will have to win 19 games, whereas Miami only had to win 17.
All you have to look at is strength of schedule and you'll find that the old Dolphins pulled off their undefeated season against inferior opposition. Miami's 14 regular season opponents combined for a record of 70-122-4 (a winning percentage of .367). Not one of their opponents made it to the playoffs. In fact, only two Miami opponents that year (the Giants and Chiefs) had records over .500.
Those '72 Dolphins remain to this day the only Super Bowl winner since the merger that didn't have to play against even one playoff team in the regular season. In the same vein, they are the only Super Bowl winner that didn't face at least one team with nine wins or more. Miami's three playoff wins were by six, four and seven points.
Already this season, the Patriots have had to beat their chief rivals, Indianapolis, who also happen to feature New England quarterback Tom Brady's arch-enemy, Peyton Manning. They have also played and beaten the best team in the NFC, the Dallas Cowboys, who also feature a high-end QB in Tony Romo.
Six of the nine teams New England has beaten have records better than .500 and three of their final seven games will be against foes with current records better than .500. Moreover, they are on pace not just to beat them all, but beat them by an aggregate total of 369 points.
A lot can happen in the course of a 16-game season, plus three playoff games, and the odds are still against the Patriots going undefeated. But if they do, there is almost no argument that they will be the greatest team of all time.
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lol i think that is the first one i got wrong. I remember when the NWO shit hit the fan. when Hogan came out i told my brother the good guy Hogan is all over with. He said no way. Now that was when wrestling was fun.
lol i think that is the first one i got wrong. I remember when the NWO shit hit the fan. when Hogan came out i told my brother the good guy Hogan is all over with. He said no way. Now that was when wrestling was fun.
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Heading into tonight, six of the nine teams New England has beaten have records better than .500 and three of their final seven games will be against foes with current records better than .500. Moreover, they are on pace not just to beat them all, but beat them by an aggregate total of nearly 400 points combined after tonight... :whatever:
Heading into tonight, six of the nine teams New England has beaten have records better than .500 and three of their final seven games will be against foes with current records better than .500. Moreover, they are on pace not just to beat them all, but beat them by an aggregate total of nearly 400 points combined after tonight... :whatever:
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They just put up the most points by a road team since 1973.
They just put up the most points by a road team since 1973.
Bucsfan67
EOG Master
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thats actually hard to imagine, that you could go through a full season's schedule and never play a team that makes the playoffs....but then again, not as many teams made it back then, but still.....
thats actually hard to imagine, that you could go through a full season's schedule and never play a team that makes the playoffs....but then again, not as many teams made it back then, but still.....
Atlantic Coast Kid
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The 72 Dolphins were actually pointspread underdogs vs Washington.
The 72 Dolphins were actually pointspread underdogs vs Washington.
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They did get caught cheating so I dont really think Shula's comment is way off base............the thing I keep questioning is not how the cheating affected this yr and it really didnt since it happened so early but how did it affect the years the Pats won it all the times previous...........
You have to admit Billy Boy didnt show much class in how he handled getting caught.............remember in the Pats run to their superbowls there were some close wins at home vs Tennessee and Indy(twice)............pretty comforting in games like that if you know what the defensive signals are..........
They did get caught cheating so I dont really think Shula's comment is way off base............the thing I keep questioning is not how the cheating affected this yr and it really didnt since it happened so early but how did it affect the years the Pats won it all the times previous...........
You have to admit Billy Boy didnt show much class in how he handled getting caught.............remember in the Pats run to their superbowls there were some close wins at home vs Tennessee and Indy(twice)............pretty comforting in games like that if you know what the defensive signals are..........
Rxx
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We can look in the rear view mirror at the great offenses of Dallas and SF and see who is in or near the HOF. when you look at the Pats, Brady as an HOF lock, who is going to the hall? I know that a couple of the OL will, i just dont know them well enough (Mankins, Light) will Vrabel? Colvin? Bruschi, Samuel?
SF used to really take the bye week off. If they were a road favorite after their bye, you could not only play against them with confidence, there was a reasonable chance they would lose. I thought that if NE was going to be flat, tonight was going to be the night. Uh, WRONG!
Oh, and that Indy/NE game two weeks ago; dont forget how badly the refs were on the PI calls. That game really wasnt that close.
I think Mofome was right....about 6 weeks ago when he posted that NE was the best team ever.
We can look in the rear view mirror at the great offenses of Dallas and SF and see who is in or near the HOF. when you look at the Pats, Brady as an HOF lock, who is going to the hall? I know that a couple of the OL will, i just dont know them well enough (Mankins, Light) will Vrabel? Colvin? Bruschi, Samuel?
SF used to really take the bye week off. If they were a road favorite after their bye, you could not only play against them with confidence, there was a reasonable chance they would lose. I thought that if NE was going to be flat, tonight was going to be the night. Uh, WRONG!
Oh, and that Indy/NE game two weeks ago; dont forget how badly the refs were on the PI calls. That game really wasnt that close.
I think Mofome was right....about 6 weeks ago when he posted that NE was the best team ever.
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NE is so good that it's getting boring. I turned off the game when it was 14-0.
That '85 Bears teams was just downright nasty. A QB was lucky to last the game.
In '85 the Bears would have beaten them because you could hit the QB.
With the no touch QB rules in '07 NE would win.
NE is so good that it's getting boring. I turned off the game when it was 14-0.
That '85 Bears teams was just downright nasty. A QB was lucky to last the game.
In '85 the Bears would have beaten them because you could hit the QB.
With the no touch QB rules in '07 NE would win.
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It is not even close. NE is the best.
People forget the Bears were flawed offensively, had subpar coaching, got distracted with the SB shuffle, in their one loss they lost fairily big, AND in the playoffs, sans the Lendetta Whiff would have bagelled the 1st half at home vs. a good but nothing special Gmen team. Then they got A Deiter Brock Rams team in 30 degrees, and only put up 24. Then NE imploded to them in the SB.
Bears best D.
NE best team, and it isn't close...........
It is not even close. NE is the best.
People forget the Bears were flawed offensively, had subpar coaching, got distracted with the SB shuffle, in their one loss they lost fairily big, AND in the playoffs, sans the Lendetta Whiff would have bagelled the 1st half at home vs. a good but nothing special Gmen team. Then they got A Deiter Brock Rams team in 30 degrees, and only put up 24. Then NE imploded to them in the SB.
Bears best D.
NE best team, and it isn't close...........
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Ditka was one of the best motivators and Buddy Ryan had the best defensive plan (46) of any coach at the time.
Mia got a few lucky bounces otherwise they were undefeated.
For both playoff games it was cold and windy.
The Bears shutout their two playoff opponents and destroyed NE
Ditka was one of the best motivators and Buddy Ryan had the best defensive plan (46) of any coach at the time.
Mia got a few lucky bounces otherwise they were undefeated.
For both playoff games it was cold and windy.
The Bears shutout their two playoff opponents and destroyed NE
Seymour
EOG Dedicated
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Indy was undefeated - SB's champs - arch rivals - and playing at home - playing a sport where a win is a win - going against the greatest QB of all time
Indy was undefeated - SB's champs - arch rivals - and playing at home - playing a sport where a win is a win - going against the greatest QB of all time
Seymour
EOG Dedicated
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You need to get a few studs - that also happen to be professional people - all of a sudden players want to stay and others want to come along for the ride - this is the Spurs model - to quote Michael Finley - this is a luxury liner and I'm just here for the cruise - I believe Brady took a pay cut to open up money.
You need to get a few studs - that also happen to be professional people - all of a sudden players want to stay and others want to come along for the ride - this is the Spurs model - to quote Michael Finley - this is a luxury liner and I'm just here for the cruise - I believe Brady took a pay cut to open up money.
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NE is a Tom Brady injury away from losing a game.
NE is a Tom Brady injury away from losing a game.
BigDaddy
EOG Master
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yes and look all teams are a QB injury away from going to shit thats just how it works 99% of the time
they need to send players in and hit him late about 10 straight times on the openign drive of the game if they continue to run up these scores on everyone IMO
yes and look all teams are a QB injury away from going to shit thats just how it works 99% of the time
they need to send players in and hit him late about 10 straight times on the openign drive of the game if they continue to run up these scores on everyone IMO
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I can't figure out why they leave Brady in the game so long game after game.
I can't figure out why they leave Brady in the game so long game after game.
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except for the '85 Bears when Fuller played a lot.
BigDaddy
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to score 50 points a game thats why they need to take him out
take buffalo 2nd half for example
when was the last time you watched an NFL game where the team leading 35-7 goes for it on 4th down when they can kick a FG and the team losing 42-7 goes for a FG :+clueless this NE team is ruthless and it will bite them in the ass at some point i really believe it
to score 50 points a game thats why they need to take him out
take buffalo 2nd half for example
when was the last time you watched an NFL game where the team leading 35-7 goes for it on 4th down when they can kick a FG and the team losing 42-7 goes for a FG :+clueless this NE team is ruthless and it will bite them in the ass at some point i really believe it
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I remember watching the 85 Bears team go to SF and beat up on the 49ers........the thing about that defense is you couldnt run a lick on it and when you were forced to throw the rush was on your QB so fast it would make a persons head spin ..........
I swear a couple plays in that SF game they rushed 8 people and left 3 in coverage:LMAO
I think it would be a good matchup.......
I remember watching the 85 Bears team go to SF and beat up on the 49ers........the thing about that defense is you couldnt run a lick on it and when you were forced to throw the rush was on your QB so fast it would make a persons head spin ..........
I swear a couple plays in that SF game they rushed 8 people and left 3 in coverage:LMAO
I think it would be a good matchup.......