A McCain Gaffe in Jordan

A McCain Gaffe in Jordan

By Cameron W. Barr and Michael D. Shear

AMMAN, Jordan -- Sen. John McCain, traveling in the Middle East to promote his foreign policy expertise, misidentified in remarks Tuesday which broad category of Iraqi extremists are allegedly receiving support from Iran.

He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.

Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back."

Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate." A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate's ear. McCain then said: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."

The mistake threatened to undermine McCain's argument that his decades of foreign policy experience make him the natural choice to lead a country at war with terrorists. In recent days, McCain has repeatedly said his intimate knowledge of foreign policy make him the best equipped to answer a phone ringing in the White House late at night.

McCain was in Jordan leading a week-long Congressional delegation and has stressed that the trip was not political, despite the decision to hold a fundraiser in London later this week.

But advisers said a side-benefit from the trip would be the image of McCain standing next to world leaders and showing his expertise on issues of war and terrorism.

The U.S. has long asserted that elements of the Iranian security forces have been training and supplying weapons to Iraq's Shiite militias. Iran is an overwhelmingly Shiite country whose government has applauded the emergence of a Shiite-led government in Iraq but has denied supporting Shiite militias inside Iraq.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq is a predominantly Sunni militant group which is blamed for deadly mass killings of Shiites, along with attacks on U.S. forces. Some extremist Sunni consider Shiites to be heretics and therefore legitimate targets of attack.

The schism between Islam's Sunni and Shiite sects grew out of a dispute over the leadership of the faithful following the death of the Prophet Muhammad in 632 AD.

Shear reported from Jerusalem.

A McCain Gaffe in Jordan | The Trail | washingtonpost.com
 

Thor4140

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Please tell me this is a bunch of bullshit. If it isn't this might be more stupid then anything BUsh has ever said. If he said this there is no possible way he could have misspoke and quite possible actually thought this.:gros3d8:
 
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I've seen some commentary that suggests he had a "senior moment" due to the grueling schedule and misspoke. . . .
 

roscoe

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if this is his biggest gaffe of the campaign, he'll be in good shape!
 

Thor4140

EOG Dedicated
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if this is his biggest gaffe of the campaign, he'll be in good shape!

Is it a gaffe? Do you even know why this would be considered a gaffe? This is no gaffe and absolute stunning statement to make. Since most americans still think Saddam was the mastermind of 9/11 maybe you are right and it is just a gaffe.:+clueless
 

mr merlin

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What difference does it make? the terrorists that are being trained by Iran are just as bad as the al-qaeda ones. After all, we are not at war only with al-qaeda, but all of radical islam.
 

Thor4140

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Re: A McCain Gaffe in Jordan

What difference does it make? the terrorists that are being trained by Iran are just as bad as the al-qaeda ones. After all, we are not at war only with al-qaeda, but all of radical islam.
There isn't anyone being trained over there its just another lie of a talking point for you nitwits to run with. It is another con job for these greddy fuks to somehow go into Iran. Keep on getting sucked into lies with this collection of crooks. McCain is sucked in also. Bush and Rove have this idiot McCain sucked in just like they had Hillary sucked into voting for this farce of a war. If there was no more money to be made in Iraq Bush would be the first one out. With these fukers their religion is money, money, money. At the expense of our tax dollars cause these fukers don't pay any. They only take them. Merlin i will say once again, just like these bankers we are bailing out with our tax dollars. As long as you don't see it coming out of your check you will always be a pigeon for these thieves.
 

mr merlin

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There isn't anyone being trained over there its just another lie of a talking point for you nitwits to run with. It is another con job for these greddy fuks to somehow go into Iran. Keep on getting sucked into lies with this collection of crooks. McCain is sucked in also. Bush and Rove have this idiot McCain sucked in just like they had Hillary sucked into voting for this farce of a war. If there was no more money to be made in Iraq Bush would be the first one out. With these fukers their religion is money, money, money. At the expense of our tax dollars cause these fukers don't pay any. They only take them. Merlin i will say once again, just like these bankers we are bailing out with our tax dollars. As long as you don't see it coming out of your check you will always be a pigeon for these thieves.
So, are you saying the Iranians are not providing weapons(explosive penetrators) to the shia malitia? And are you saying that when these iranian trained extremists kidnap and kill a busload of relatively innocent sunnies, it is not terrorism?
 
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Fact Sheet: The Shiites of Iraq

Thursday , April 17, 2003



DOHA, Qatar ?

The Shiites of Iraq, who make up 60 percent of the population but were repressed under Saddam Hussein, are moving swiftly to fill the power vacuum created by his ouster. Already the second most powerful force in Iraq behind U.S. forces, they are resisting foreign intervention and distrust the United States.

Some questions and answers about Iraqi Shiites and their hopes to gain a strong voice in their nation's future.

Q. Who are the Shiites?

A: Shiite Muslims make up less than 15 percent of the world's 1 billion Muslims, but they are the majority in Iran and Iraq. Islam has been divided between Sunnis and Shiites since soon after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, founder of the religion, in 632. Sunnis followed Abu Bakr, a respected contemporary of the prophet, while a small group, the "shi'at Ali," or party of Ali, followed the much younger Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son-and-law. After the prophet's death, rivalry between the two groups periodically exploded into violence and had a profound effect on the development of Islam. Shiites venerate both Ali and his son Hussein, the prophet's grandson, whose death at the hands of Sunnis in a 7th century battle on the plains of Karbala in what is now Iraq is still remembered in emotional annual rituals.

Q: What do Iraqi Shiites want now?

A: With the collapse of Saddam's Sunni-dominated regime, the Shiites aspire to claim political dominance for the first time in modern Iraqi history. In the past week, Shiite clerics have appointed governors, imposed curfews and offered jobs, health care and financial assistance to the poor. Shiites have protested against both U.S. forces and exiled leaders now returning to Iraq. They erupted in jubilation at Saddam's ouster, practicing their rituals in public for the first time in years. In a Baghdad district known as Saddam City, Shiite clerics are running their own police force, hospitals, clinics and food distribution centers. In the city of Kut, southeast of Baghdad, Shiite cleric Said Abbas has occupied city hall and insisted that he is leader. Shiite clerics are leading self-declared governments in the Shiite holy cities of Karbala and Najaf. "It's a historic occasion for the Shiites to demand a major voice in the future government of Iraq," said R.K. Ramazani, a renowned expert on Shiites at the University of Virginia.

Q: Iran is a Shiite majority country, too. Would a Shiite-dominated Iraq end up being an Iranian-style theocracy?

A: Not necessarily. Some Shiite leaders have questioned whether Western democratic values are suited for Iraq, but at a U.S.-sponsored meeting this week near the ancient city of Ur to create a postwar government, 80 or so participants, including Shiites, agreed that Iraq must be democratic. However, Iraq's largest Shiite group, the exiled Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution, boycotted the meeting. Ramazani said there are seeds of pluralism inside Shiite tradition that the United States and its allies should exploit. As an example, he said individual Shiite clerics have traditionally issued decrees that other clerics do not necessarily have to accept. Even so, the Islamic fundamentalism associated with Iran could work against the Iraqi Shiites as they vie for power in the new government.

Q: Would Iran exercise undue influence in an Iraq dominated by Shiites?

A: Again, not necessarily. Iraqi Shiites are Arab, not Persian like their Iranian counterparts, and have a strong sense of Iraqi nationalism. During the Iran-Iraq war from 1980 to 1988, they did not rise up against Saddam or fight for Iran. Still, whether Iran will try to take advantage of Shiite dominance in Iraq is an open question. During the war to oust Saddam, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld alleged that Iranian-sponsored fighting forces were inside Iraq, presenting a potential threat to U.S. and allied troops.

Q: Are Shiites in Iraq a unified force?

A: No. In a sign of the fissures plaguing Iraq's Shiite community, a mob last week killed Abdul Majid al-Khoei, a prominent Shiite cleric opposed to Saddam, and Haider al-Kadar, a cleric loyal to Saddam and widely hated by Shiites. The clerics had been visiting a shrine in southern Iraq to promote Shiite unity. There is also a split between Shiites who stayed in Iraq and those who fled to Iran during the Saddam years. In addition, "there is at least a quiet competition between the Shias of Karabla and the Shias of Najaf," Ramazani said. The possibility of inter-Shiite violence could hamper efforts to establish a viable postwar state.

Q: Would Shiite dominance of Iraq produce a Sunni backlash?

A: Possibly. Sunni political dominance stretches back to the birth of Iraq as a state after World War I. Sunnis have dominated education, the army and the economy, using military force to repress rivals. They are unlikely to surrender influence easily.

FOXNews.com - Fact Sheet: The Shiites of Iraq - U.S. & World
 

mr merlin

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Thanks for the fact sheet dawg - maybe you could put one up about spring tune ups for lawnmowers!
 
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stucco43

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McCain is a manchurian canidate....his controller is his wife...
the guy will make G.W. Bush look respectable...
the globalist have send this idiot out to ruin the world...
 
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stucco43

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watching Merlin trying to figure this out is hillarious...
Merlin you work for one of those DICK Cheney "think tanks"?:+whipping
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
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watching Merlin trying to figure this out is hillarious...
Merlin you work for one of those DICK Cheney "think tanks"?:+whipping
I have a joke for you stucco - A guy walks into a bar and sees Bush and Cheney sitting in the corner, so he decides to go up to them and ask what they're doing there, "planning WWIII" they say, "we're going to kill 140 million muslims and a blond with big tits".
The guy says "a blond with big tits", "why would you kill a blond with big tits"? Cheney turns to Bush and says " see, i told you nobody gives a shit about 140 million muslims".
 

Thor4140

EOG Dedicated
Re: A McCain Gaffe in Jordan

watching Merlin trying to figure this out is hillarious...
Merlin you work for one of those DICK Cheney "think tanks"?:+whipping

At least Merlin Knows who Iran would arm if in fact this was true. That to me makes Merlin more qualified then McCain to run for president. This comment McCain made if it was the other way around, the rightwing shit bags would make Hillary or Obama look like a complete fool. But im sure the party im stuck with, the no backboned party, most likely won't say a thing about it. Need a third party so bad in this country its almost commical.
 

Thor4140

EOG Dedicated
Re: A McCain Gaffe in Jordan

I have a joke for you stucco - A guy walks into a bar and sees Bush and Cheney sitting in the corner, so he decides to go up to them and ask what they're doing there, "planning WWIII" they say, "we're going to kill 140 million muslims and a blond with big tits".
The guy says "a blond with big tits", "why would you kill a blond with big tits"? Cheney turns to Bush and says " see, i told you nobody gives a shit about 140 million muslims".


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO terrible to say something like that
 
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