Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
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Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
I don't "believe bullshit like that." It's a try at posting the absurd to show it's absurd.
I don't "believe bullshit like that." It's a try at posting the absurd to show it's absurd.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
One wonders how they can cheer Bin Laden on the one hand, and blame so-called "imploders" on the other. Perhaps they don't believe Bin Laden's boasts and continued threats. More likely they view language as a device to confuse and distort.
One wonders how they can cheer Bin Laden on the one hand, and blame so-called "imploders" on the other. Perhaps they don't believe Bin Laden's boasts and continued threats. More likely they view language as a device to confuse and distort.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Before putting another day in the books, I'll say it one more time: The most fucked up aberration of humanity on the face of the earth.
Before putting another day in the books, I'll say it one more time: The most fucked up aberration of humanity on the face of the earth.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Sure like diggin4gold or thor to tell us whether we're supposed to believe Bin Laden who says he did it or the imploders they say did it. Even their mental gymnastic slime can't come up with a good work of fiction to explain this one.
Sure like diggin4gold or thor to tell us whether we're supposed to believe Bin Laden who says he did it or the imploders they say did it. Even their mental gymnastic slime can't come up with a good work of fiction to explain this one.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
I'm not even sure that character is alive. Do you think he is alive? Do you have proof he alive? A 25,ooo,ooo$ bounty on this guys ass, at least 2 battalions of U.S. MARINES chasing after him for 6+ years, and the boggieman can't be found, makes me wonder if he is alive still. Keep in mind, he had ties to the C.I.A., and his family has ties to Bush/Chaney through the oil trade.
I'm not even sure that character is alive. Do you think he is alive? Do you have proof he alive? A 25,ooo,ooo$ bounty on this guys ass, at least 2 battalions of U.S. MARINES chasing after him for 6+ years, and the boggieman can't be found, makes me wonder if he is alive still. Keep in mind, he had ties to the C.I.A., and his family has ties to Bush/Chaney through the oil trade.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
If Bin Laden isn't the one behind 9-11 it's a real tribute to the stupidity of hundreds of millions of Muslims who revere him as a hero. But, I'll concede real thought has never been a big part of the Muslim arsenal when it comes to geopolitics. They can be sold any bill of goods be it the villification of Israel or heroic suicide bombers who slaughter innocents, including their own.
If Bin Laden isn't the one behind 9-11 it's a real tribute to the stupidity of hundreds of millions of Muslims who revere him as a hero. But, I'll concede real thought has never been a big part of the Muslim arsenal when it comes to geopolitics. They can be sold any bill of goods be it the villification of Israel or heroic suicide bombers who slaughter innocents, including their own.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
I'll add "hundreds of millions Muslims revere him as a hero" for incinerating three thousand innocent people on 9-11. They celebrated the event like hysterical animals. As I continue to see it, "The most fucked up aberration of humanity on the face of the earth."
I'll add "hundreds of millions Muslims revere him as a hero" for incinerating three thousand innocent people on 9-11. They celebrated the event like hysterical animals. As I continue to see it, "The most fucked up aberration of humanity on the face of the earth."
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
who even knows if the guy even existed. Would you put it past this gov't to make stuff up.
who even knows if the guy even existed. Would you put it past this gov't to make stuff up.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Why don't you arm these citizens? Im sure they will take them and stop the suicide bombing. There is a reason these people stoop to this level unfortunately with your selective vision you will never understand it. Maybe they should just keep getting slapped in the face and do nothing about it. Franky is this you again under yet another name?
Why don't you arm these citizens? Im sure they will take them and stop the suicide bombing. There is a reason these people stoop to this level unfortunately with your selective vision you will never understand it. Maybe they should just keep getting slapped in the face and do nothing about it. Franky is this you again under yet another name?
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Now we're told Bin Laden is a fictional operative by the fictionettes who say it was a secret plan by imploders and to ignore Bin Laden's confession and the hundreds of millions of Arbas who cheered the September 11 inferno slaughtering 3000 innocent people. Well here's a couple of questions for these liars who will say anything to excuse their barbarism:
1. Why wait for thousands to escape the burning buildings before "implosion?"
2. If the "implosion" plan is supposed to be a secret, "Why take down the North Tower, which was struck by a plane FIRST, last? And why take down the South Tower, which was struck by a plane twenty minutes after the North Tower, FIRST? Taking them down in reverse order of when they were hit would only raise the very questions now being asked by the fictionette "imploders." If you want to keep the thing a secret so Bin Laden will be blamed why do it in a way which will surely draw attention to and spawn the "conspiracy" theory, and why do hundreds of million Arab dupes believe it was Bin Laden who takes credit for it.
These pigs have an excuse for everything but logic. They've never hurt anyone. Not 3000 Americans on September 11, and neither innocent Sunnis or Shiites in Iraq, or Jewish children in Israel. How many thousands of rockets did they fire from Lebanon into Jewish neighberhoods and how many from Gaza will be fired today? If the Israelis didn't have such a fantastic civil defense system Hezzbolah would have killed thousands of more innocent people. By the way, Nazi/Jihadists, how many Jews live in Israel? How many Arabs in the surrounding countries. As I have said here before, "The most fucked up abberation of humanity on the face of the Earth drool at the possiblity of more piles of dead innocents. It's their heroic way of waging war while excusing it all in their relentless works of fiction.
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Now we're told Bin Laden is a fictional operative by the fictionettes who say it was a secret plan by imploders and to ignore Bin Laden's confession and the hundreds of millions of Arbas who cheered the September 11 inferno slaughtering 3000 innocent people. Well here's a couple of questions for these liars who will say anything to excuse their barbarism:
1. Why wait for thousands to escape the burning buildings before "implosion?"
2. If the "implosion" plan is supposed to be a secret, "Why take down the North Tower, which was struck by a plane FIRST, last? And why take down the South Tower, which was struck by a plane twenty minutes after the North Tower, FIRST? Taking them down in reverse order of when they were hit would only raise the very questions now being asked by the fictionette "imploders." If you want to keep the thing a secret so Bin Laden will be blamed why do it in a way which will surely draw attention to and spawn the "conspiracy" theory, and why do hundreds of million Arab dupes believe it was Bin Laden who takes credit for it.
These pigs have an excuse for everything but logic. They've never hurt anyone. Not 3000 Americans on September 11, and neither innocent Sunnis or Shiites in Iraq, or Jewish children in Israel. How many thousands of rockets did they fire from Lebanon into Jewish neighberhoods and how many from Gaza will be fired today? If the Israelis didn't have such a fantastic civil defense system Hezzbolah would have killed thousands of more innocent people. By the way, Nazi/Jihadists, how many Jews live in Israel? How many Arabs in the surrounding countries. As I have said here before, "The most fucked up abberation of humanity on the face of the Earth drool at the possiblity of more piles of dead innocents. It's their heroic way of waging war while excusing it all in their relentless works of fiction.
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DimeDR
Banned
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
hes been dead for years ... many of the tapes were faked ... google TIM OSMAN ... he is a cia asset, used as aposter boy boogey man; same way USA used racism to demonize japanese in WW2 ... OBL is a phantom, do you really thinik he "escaped" at tora bora/europe laughs at americans ignorance, as so do I.
hes been dead for years ... many of the tapes were faked ... google TIM OSMAN ... he is a cia asset, used as aposter boy boogey man; same way USA used racism to demonize japanese in WW2 ... OBL is a phantom, do you really thinik he "escaped" at tora bora/europe laughs at americans ignorance, as so do I.
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Real responsive to the questions I posed in my last post. C'mon, you can come up work of fiction.
Real responsive to the questions I posed in my last post. C'mon, you can come up work of fiction.
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Some Arabs cheered 9/11[as did some Israelis,and probably others too for that matter],to say hundreds of millions did is an exagerration.
There's a difference between justifying an action/crime,and looking for answers to open questions about what happened on 9/11.The 9/11 commission report avoided many topics which could have led them to a much different conclusion.
Answers to:
1.There had to be a reasonable delay between the time the planes struck the buildings,and the controlled demolition,otherwise it wouldn't have seemed at all probable that burning jet fuel and structural damage alone could bring down a steel framed building almost instantly.The delay allowed most civilians below the impact zones to escape.
2.The operation as a whole was planned and carried out in secrecy,but the effects of it were designed to be broadcast as widely and spectacularly as possible,to draw attention to Bin Laden/Al Qaeda,and have the blame assigned to them for it's maximum potential to move US policy forward.
The dupes were the hijackers who carried out the plot,the Arabs,Americans,and everyone else who believe the "official" 9/11 myth the mainstream media feeds them are gullible,naive,etc.
Arabs have hurt others,so have Israelis,and who's killed most of the innocent Sunnis or Shiites in Iraq you are suddenly so worried about?Arabs live in Arab countries surrounding Israel[WTF!],yeah that's why they're Arab countries,and they've been there a long time too.
Twisting your logic,since the North Tower was hit by a plane first,why didn't that 1 go down[in10 seconds]first?
Is this the reason the South Tower Fell First?
The South Tower falling in less than an hour is very troubling to me, I don't think they planned it to fall first. But information below shows the men with their fingers on the switch to bring down the towers were listening to the fire department radio, and realized that if they waited much longer the firemen would do there job and put out the fires. If the building collapsed after all the fires were out, how would that look? So they pulled it ahead of schedule to stop them from doing there job. Not to many people seem to notice this.
Chief Orio Palmer ? WTC victim. Chief of Battalion 7, FDNY, Manhattan.
Transcript of FDNY radio communications on 9/11: Battalion Chief Orio Palmer took an elevator to the 41st floor of the South Tower, then climbed the stairs to the 78th floor. With him was Fire Marshal Ronald Bucca, who had climbed the stairs from the ground floor. They were the first firefighters to reach an airplane impact zone in either the North or South Tower. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, United Flight 175 impacted the South Tower, "crashing through the 77th to 85th floors".
9:52 a.m.
Chief Palmer: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com...
No dispute that Bin Laden existed at one time,it's Al Qaeda the organization with [supposedly]tenctacles everywhere whose existence as an actual functioning independent terror outfit is in question.[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now we're told Bin Laden is a fictional operative by the fictionettes who say it was a secret plan by imploders and to ignore Bin Laden's confession and the hundreds of millions of Arbas who cheered the September 11 inferno slaughtering 3000 innocent people. Well here's a couple of questions for these liars who will say anything to excuse their barbarism:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1. Why wait for thousands to escape the burning buildings before "implosion?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2. If the "implosion" plan is supposed to be a secret, "Why take down the North Tower, which was struck by a plane FIRST, last? And why take down the South Tower, which was struck by a plane twenty minutes after the North Tower, FIRST? Taking them down in reverse order of when they were hit would only raise the very questions now being asked by the fictionette "imploders." If you want to keep the thing a secret so Bin Laden will be blamed why do it in a way which will surely draw attention to and spawn the "conspiracy" theory, and why do hundreds of million Arab dupes believe it was Bin Laden who takes credit for it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]These pigs have an excuse for everything but logic. They've never hurt anyone. Not 3000 Americans on September 11, and neither innocent Sunnis or Shiites in Iraq, or Jewish children in Israel. How many thousands of rockets did they fire from Lebanon into Jewish neighberhoods and how many from Gaza will be fired today? If the Israelis didn't have such a fantastic civil defense system Hezzbolah would have killed thousands of more innocent people. By the way, Nazi/Jihadists, how many Jews live in Israel? How many Arabs in the surrounding countries. As I have said here before, "The most fucked up abberation of humanity on the face of the Earth drool at the possiblity of more piles of dead innocents. It's their heroic way of waging war while excusing it all in their relentless works of fiction.[/FONT]
Some Arabs cheered 9/11[as did some Israelis,and probably others too for that matter],to say hundreds of millions did is an exagerration.
There's a difference between justifying an action/crime,and looking for answers to open questions about what happened on 9/11.The 9/11 commission report avoided many topics which could have led them to a much different conclusion.
Answers to:
1.There had to be a reasonable delay between the time the planes struck the buildings,and the controlled demolition,otherwise it wouldn't have seemed at all probable that burning jet fuel and structural damage alone could bring down a steel framed building almost instantly.The delay allowed most civilians below the impact zones to escape.
2.The operation as a whole was planned and carried out in secrecy,but the effects of it were designed to be broadcast as widely and spectacularly as possible,to draw attention to Bin Laden/Al Qaeda,and have the blame assigned to them for it's maximum potential to move US policy forward.
The dupes were the hijackers who carried out the plot,the Arabs,Americans,and everyone else who believe the "official" 9/11 myth the mainstream media feeds them are gullible,naive,etc.
Arabs have hurt others,so have Israelis,and who's killed most of the innocent Sunnis or Shiites in Iraq you are suddenly so worried about?Arabs live in Arab countries surrounding Israel[WTF!],yeah that's why they're Arab countries,and they've been there a long time too.
Twisting your logic,since the North Tower was hit by a plane first,why didn't that 1 go down[in10 seconds]first?
Is this the reason the South Tower Fell First?
The South Tower falling in less than an hour is very troubling to me, I don't think they planned it to fall first. But information below shows the men with their fingers on the switch to bring down the towers were listening to the fire department radio, and realized that if they waited much longer the firemen would do there job and put out the fires. If the building collapsed after all the fires were out, how would that look? So they pulled it ahead of schedule to stop them from doing there job. Not to many people seem to notice this.
Chief Orio Palmer ? WTC victim. Chief of Battalion 7, FDNY, Manhattan.
Transcript of FDNY radio communications on 9/11: Battalion Chief Orio Palmer took an elevator to the 41st floor of the South Tower, then climbed the stairs to the 78th floor. With him was Fire Marshal Ronald Bucca, who had climbed the stairs from the ground floor. They were the first firefighters to reach an airplane impact zone in either the North or South Tower. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, United Flight 175 impacted the South Tower, "crashing through the 77th to 85th floors".
9:52 a.m.
Chief Palmer: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com...
DimeDR
Banned
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
IF people are really interested in learning about 9/11 instead of defending the official lies, try 911underground.com ... theres tons of radio archived interviews from all sides ... its tiring debating with people who spent all of ten minutes watching one vid and dont answer simple questions... good stuff, scrimmage
capperjed,
go to the al qaeda thread and play catch up ... ive been studying this for ages, put in a couple thousand hours at least, how long have you been at it?
ps its been proven the films of the cheering arabs on 9/11 were faked and not even shot that day ... also have you ever heard about the DANCING ISRAELIS? google that and get back to me
IF people are really interested in learning about 9/11 instead of defending the official lies, try 911underground.com ... theres tons of radio archived interviews from all sides ... its tiring debating with people who spent all of ten minutes watching one vid and dont answer simple questions... good stuff, scrimmage
capperjed,
go to the al qaeda thread and play catch up ... ive been studying this for ages, put in a couple thousand hours at least, how long have you been at it?
ps its been proven the films of the cheering arabs on 9/11 were faked and not even shot that day ... also have you ever heard about the DANCING ISRAELIS? google that and get back to me
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11
by Ed Haas
14 March 2008
Osama bin Laden's role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" poster. On June 5, 2006, author Ed Haas contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters to ask why, while claiming that bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the poster does not indicate that he is wanted in connection with the events of 9/11.
Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI responded, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11." Tomb continued, "Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11." Asked to explain the process, Tomb responded, "The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11."
Haas pauses to ask the question, "If the US government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to 'smoke him out of his cave?'" Through corporate media, the Bush administration told the American people that bin Laden was "Public Enemy Number One," responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people on September 11, 2001. The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to "root out" bin Laden and the Taliban, yet nearly six years later, the FBI said that it had no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.
Though the world was to have been convinced by the December 2001 release of a bin Laden "confession video," the Department of Defense issued a press release to accompany this video in which Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, "There was no doubt of bin Laden's responsibility for the 9/11 attacks even before the tape was discovered."
In a CNN article regarding the bin Laden tape, then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said that "the tape removes any doubt that the US military campaign targeting bin Laden and his associates is more than justified." Senator Richard Shelby, R Alabama, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said, "The tape's release is central to informing people in the outside world who don't believe bin Laden was involved in the September 11 attacks." Shelby went on to say "I don't know how they can be in denial after they see this tape."
Haas attempted to secure a reference to US government authentication of the bin Laden "confession video," to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and US Congress, along with corporate media, presented the video as authentic. So why doesn't the FBI view the "confession video" as hard evidence? After all, notes Haas, if the FBI is investigating a crime such as drug trafficking, and it discovers a video of members of a drug cartel openly talking about a successful distribution operation in the United States, that video would be presented to a federal grand jury. The participants identified in the video would be indicted. The video alone would serve as sufficient evidence to net a conviction in a federal court. So why, asks Haas, is the bin Laden "confession video" not carrying the same weight with the FBI?
Haas strongly suggests that we begin asking questions, "The fact that the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 should be headline news around the world. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the US media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the US media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government-sponsore d 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government's account?" Haas continues. "Who is controlling the media message, and how is it that the FBI has no 'hard evidence' connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the US media has played the bin Laden-9/11 connection story for [six] years now as if it has conclusive evidence that bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?"
UPDATE BY ED HAAS
On June 6, 2006 the Muckraker Report ran a piece by Ed Haas titled "FBI says, 'No hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.'" Haas is the editor and a writer for the Muckraker Report. At the center of this article remains the authenticity and truthfulness of the videotape released by the federal government on December 13, 2001 in which it is reported that Osama bin Laden "confesses" to the September 11, 2001 attacks. The corporate media-television, radio, and newspapers-across the United States and the world repeated, virtually non-stop for a week after the videotape's release, the government account of OBL "confessing."
However, not one document has been released that demonstrates the authenticity of the videotape or that it even went through an authentication process. The Muckraker Report has submitted Freedom of Information Act requests to the FBI, CIA, Department of Defense, and CENTCOM requesting documentation that would demonstrate the authenticity of the videotape and the dates/circumstances in which the videotape was discovered. CENTCOM has yet to reply to the FOIA request. After losing an appeal, the FBI responded that no documents could be found responsive to the request. The Department of Defense referred the Muckraker Report to CENTCOM while also indicating that it had no documents responsive to the FOIA request either.
The CIA however claims that it can neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of records responsive to the request. According to the CIA the fact of the existence or nonexistence of requested records is properly classified and is intelligence sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by section 6 of the CIA Act of 1949, as amended. Therefore, the Agency has denied your request pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1) and (b)(3).
Many people believe that if the videotape is authentic, it should be sufficient hard evidence for the FBI to connect bin Laden to 9/11. The Muckraker Report agrees. However, for the Department of Justice to indict bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, something the government has yet to do, the videotape would have to be entered into evidence and subjected to additional scrutiny. This appears to be something the government wishes to avoid.
Some believe that the video is a fake. They refer to it as the "fat bin Laden"video. The Muckraker Report believes that while the videotape is indeed authentic, it was the result of an elaborate CIA sting operation. The Muckraker Report also believes that the reason why there is no documentation that demonstrates that the videotape went through an authenticity process is because the CIA knew it was authentic, they arranged the taping.
It is highly probable that the videotape was taped on September 26, 2001-before the US invaded Afghanistan.
http://www.voltaire net.org/article1 55945.html
No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11
by Ed Haas
14 March 2008
Osama bin Laden's role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" poster. On June 5, 2006, author Ed Haas contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters to ask why, while claiming that bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the poster does not indicate that he is wanted in connection with the events of 9/11.
Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI responded, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11." Tomb continued, "Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11." Asked to explain the process, Tomb responded, "The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11."
Haas pauses to ask the question, "If the US government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to 'smoke him out of his cave?'" Through corporate media, the Bush administration told the American people that bin Laden was "Public Enemy Number One," responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people on September 11, 2001. The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to "root out" bin Laden and the Taliban, yet nearly six years later, the FBI said that it had no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.
Though the world was to have been convinced by the December 2001 release of a bin Laden "confession video," the Department of Defense issued a press release to accompany this video in which Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, "There was no doubt of bin Laden's responsibility for the 9/11 attacks even before the tape was discovered."
In a CNN article regarding the bin Laden tape, then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said that "the tape removes any doubt that the US military campaign targeting bin Laden and his associates is more than justified." Senator Richard Shelby, R Alabama, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said, "The tape's release is central to informing people in the outside world who don't believe bin Laden was involved in the September 11 attacks." Shelby went on to say "I don't know how they can be in denial after they see this tape."
Haas attempted to secure a reference to US government authentication of the bin Laden "confession video," to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and US Congress, along with corporate media, presented the video as authentic. So why doesn't the FBI view the "confession video" as hard evidence? After all, notes Haas, if the FBI is investigating a crime such as drug trafficking, and it discovers a video of members of a drug cartel openly talking about a successful distribution operation in the United States, that video would be presented to a federal grand jury. The participants identified in the video would be indicted. The video alone would serve as sufficient evidence to net a conviction in a federal court. So why, asks Haas, is the bin Laden "confession video" not carrying the same weight with the FBI?
Haas strongly suggests that we begin asking questions, "The fact that the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 should be headline news around the world. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the US media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the US media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government-sponsore d 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government's account?" Haas continues. "Who is controlling the media message, and how is it that the FBI has no 'hard evidence' connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the US media has played the bin Laden-9/11 connection story for [six] years now as if it has conclusive evidence that bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?"
UPDATE BY ED HAAS
On June 6, 2006 the Muckraker Report ran a piece by Ed Haas titled "FBI says, 'No hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.'" Haas is the editor and a writer for the Muckraker Report. At the center of this article remains the authenticity and truthfulness of the videotape released by the federal government on December 13, 2001 in which it is reported that Osama bin Laden "confesses" to the September 11, 2001 attacks. The corporate media-television, radio, and newspapers-across the United States and the world repeated, virtually non-stop for a week after the videotape's release, the government account of OBL "confessing."
However, not one document has been released that demonstrates the authenticity of the videotape or that it even went through an authentication process. The Muckraker Report has submitted Freedom of Information Act requests to the FBI, CIA, Department of Defense, and CENTCOM requesting documentation that would demonstrate the authenticity of the videotape and the dates/circumstances in which the videotape was discovered. CENTCOM has yet to reply to the FOIA request. After losing an appeal, the FBI responded that no documents could be found responsive to the request. The Department of Defense referred the Muckraker Report to CENTCOM while also indicating that it had no documents responsive to the FOIA request either.
The CIA however claims that it can neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of records responsive to the request. According to the CIA the fact of the existence or nonexistence of requested records is properly classified and is intelligence sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by section 6 of the CIA Act of 1949, as amended. Therefore, the Agency has denied your request pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1) and (b)(3).
Many people believe that if the videotape is authentic, it should be sufficient hard evidence for the FBI to connect bin Laden to 9/11. The Muckraker Report agrees. However, for the Department of Justice to indict bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, something the government has yet to do, the videotape would have to be entered into evidence and subjected to additional scrutiny. This appears to be something the government wishes to avoid.
Some believe that the video is a fake. They refer to it as the "fat bin Laden"video. The Muckraker Report believes that while the videotape is indeed authentic, it was the result of an elaborate CIA sting operation. The Muckraker Report also believes that the reason why there is no documentation that demonstrates that the videotape went through an authenticity process is because the CIA knew it was authentic, they arranged the taping.
It is highly probable that the videotape was taped on September 26, 2001-before the US invaded Afghanistan.
http://www.voltaire net.org/article1 55945.html
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Its alway been about control of the region, control of shipping routes, control of natural resources, control of puppet governments, the PNAC outlines it with detail, and that document was composed long before 9-11.
Its alway been about control of the region, control of shipping routes, control of natural resources, control of puppet governments, the PNAC outlines it with detail, and that document was composed long before 9-11.
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Are these 14 structural engineers also engaging in spin?Or do they know the science of the World Trade Center's 2 towers,and WTC #7 collapsing into their own footprints in seconds doesn't add up unless a controlled deomlition was involved.
14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center
George Washington's Blog
Thursday, April 10, 2008
14 structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:
A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.
See also this.
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14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center
Are these 14 structural engineers also engaging in spin?Or do they know the science of the World Trade Center's 2 towers,and WTC #7 collapsing into their own footprints in seconds doesn't add up unless a controlled deomlition was involved.
14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center
George Washington's Blog
Thursday, April 10, 2008
14 structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:
A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"
Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."
Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"
Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"
Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"
Haluk Akol, Structural Engineer and architect (ret.)Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.
See also this.
From:
14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center
DimeDR
Banned
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
good stuff, scrimmage,
funny thing is every time a respected source speaks against 9/11, the sheep will trot out PM dupes; or say why would anyone do this; or slobber: why arent people speaking out (hell, they are, the papers just wont print it or TV news cover it, i.e. gov. ventura) ...
ironically, the researchers actually research, where the sheep just raise their voices and dont investigate... i had one Langley type on another site tell me, "you dont want to know the truth, curiosity killed the cat" ... his screen name? MARINE :LMAO
good stuff, scrimmage,
funny thing is every time a respected source speaks against 9/11, the sheep will trot out PM dupes; or say why would anyone do this; or slobber: why arent people speaking out (hell, they are, the papers just wont print it or TV news cover it, i.e. gov. ventura) ...
ironically, the researchers actually research, where the sheep just raise their voices and dont investigate... i had one Langley type on another site tell me, "you dont want to know the truth, curiosity killed the cat" ... his screen name? MARINE :LMAO
dirty
EOG Master
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
I have heard it all Now... a ex roid Head Rassler that wore boa's is considered a respected source.... and I wonder why I even read these threads... This may take the cake... Even Doc wouldn't try to pass of Ventura as a credible or respected source
I have heard it all Now... a ex roid Head Rassler that wore boa's is considered a respected source.... and I wonder why I even read these threads... This may take the cake... Even Doc wouldn't try to pass of Ventura as a credible or respected source
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Curious statements,as the only one who brought up Jesse Ventura in this thread is you.Ventura is not a source either,but he has an opinion based on what he's learned about 9/11 truth,which is as valid as the next persons.
His rasslin past could be used against him ,but that was performance art which gave him fame and fortune,and led directly to his election as governor of the state of Minnesota on a major paty ticket.Ventura's personal history has nothing to do with the questions about 9/11 in any event,which are conveniently not addressed.
Now what about the credibilty and respectablity of the 14 structural engineers who believe the 3 World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition?Are the views of experts in building design and construction not to be taken seriously?
Curious statements,as the only one who brought up Jesse Ventura in this thread is you.Ventura is not a source either,but he has an opinion based on what he's learned about 9/11 truth,which is as valid as the next persons.
His rasslin past could be used against him ,but that was performance art which gave him fame and fortune,and led directly to his election as governor of the state of Minnesota on a major paty ticket.Ventura's personal history has nothing to do with the questions about 9/11 in any event,which are conveniently not addressed.
Now what about the credibilty and respectablity of the 14 structural engineers who believe the 3 World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition?Are the views of experts in building design and construction not to be taken seriously?
DimeDR
Banned
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
i brought up ventura and read his article from top to bottom and he at least has sack enough to say he was wrong about being duped by the official story and years later studied the facts (read 16 books on topic), and now sees the wtcs were imploded and the pentagon lies dont hold up ...
dirty, did you even bother to read his thoughts, or just once again judging w/o facts (how many books have you read on 9/11)? dyk he was a navy seal? were you? he worked with explosives, have you? ... his parents both served in WW2, did yours?
amazing, how prejudice people get ... he went on larry king and an overwhelming amount of viewers said they would support him running for president one day ... oh well, why argue with facts, right?
FWIW, rudy G. enjoys a good cross dressing like a certain FBI legend did
i brought up ventura and read his article from top to bottom and he at least has sack enough to say he was wrong about being duped by the official story and years later studied the facts (read 16 books on topic), and now sees the wtcs were imploded and the pentagon lies dont hold up ...
dirty, did you even bother to read his thoughts, or just once again judging w/o facts (how many books have you read on 9/11)? dyk he was a navy seal? were you? he worked with explosives, have you? ... his parents both served in WW2, did yours?
amazing, how prejudice people get ... he went on larry king and an overwhelming amount of viewers said they would support him running for president one day ... oh well, why argue with facts, right?
FWIW, rudy G. enjoys a good cross dressing like a certain FBI legend did
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
That's what I call ownage right there. Well done!!!:cheers
Curious statements,as the only one who brought up Jesse Ventura in this thread is you.Ventura is not a source either,but he has an opinion based on what he's learned about 9/11 truth,which is as valid as the next persons.
His rasslin past could be used against him ,but that was performance art which gave him fame and fortune,and led directly to his election as governor of the state of Minnesota on a major paty ticket.Ventura's personal history has nothing to do with the questions about 9/11 in any event,which are conveniently not addressed.
Now what about the credibilty and respectablity of the 14 structural engineers who believe the 3 World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition?Are the views of experts in building design and construction not to be taken seriously?
That's what I call ownage right there. Well done!!!:cheers
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Radio host Rob Breakenridge's attempt to discredit Jesse Ventura's allegation that WTC 7 was deliberately imploded failed miserably,as the following article demonstrates:
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<TABLE width=445 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=397 height=66>Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 10, 2008
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An almost unbelievably absurd and weak hit piece against Jesse Ventura's contention that WTC 7 was deliberately imploded on 9/11 compares a 4-story church that was a stone's throw away from the twin towers with a 47-story skyscraper that was nearly 400 feet away.
Responding to the former Minnesota Governor's recent appearance on Fox News, CHQR radio host Rob Breakenridge writes, "Ventura obviously thinks this sounds very clever, but there's one point on which he's factually incorrect: it was more than three buildings. The twin towers (1WTC & 2WTC) obviously collapsed, as did 7WTC - the three buildings Ventura cites. What he neglects to mention is that 3WTC (Marriott Hotel) and St. Nick's Cathedral also collapsed that day."
Let's start with Breakenridge's absurd example of St. Nicholas Church as a building that was destroyed by the twin towers' collapse on 9/11.
This is a picture of the 4-story Church building. It stands in the shadow of the 1362-foot tall south tower. To compare this with a gigantic 576-foot tall skyscraper that would be the tallest building in most major cities and stands a full 355 feet away from the north tower is patently ludicrous.
The humble church building is like an ant compared to the colossal south tower, of course it would have been crushed when the south tower collapsed. How on earth can Breakenridge draw a parallel between this tiny building and a gigantic skyscraper that was nearly half as tall as the twin towers?
The 47-story WTC 7 following the collapse of the twin towers. Somewhat different to the 4-story St. Nicholas Church.Breakenridge then cites WTC 4, 5 and 6 as buildings that were destroyed and "had to be brought down manually or otherwise they, too, would have collapsed."
The difference between all these buildings and WTC 7 was that they were all closer to the twin towers than Building 7 and none of them collapsed in a 7-second implosion style demolition.
All were pelted by debris and essentially hollowed out, but their basic foundation remained in place and they did not fall to the ground at the speed of gravity within 7 seconds. All the buildings remained standing until they were demolished weeks later.
In comparison, WTC 7 had suffered little debris damage because it stood a full 355 feet away from the north tower and yet it imploded into its own footprint in an instant.
Breakenridge cites World Trade Center Building 3 (pictured above), known publicly as the 22-story Marriott Hotel, which was positioned between the twin towers. The building was sliced in half during the collapse of WTC 2, yet it did not experience uniform collapse either vertically or horizontally.
WTC 3 was in the middle of the WTC towers, whereas Building 7 was 355 feet away. WTC 3 was less than half the height of WTC 7 and yet WTC 7 experienced a full implosion-style collapse within 7 seconds, while the foundation of WTC 3 survived.
In the map above you can see that WTC 3 is sandwiched in-between the twin towers, whereas WTC 7 is more than a block away from the north tower.
A comparison between WTC 3 and WTC 7, even taking into account the fact that WTC 3 was not completely destroyed despite taking the brunt of both twin towers whereas WTC 7 was imploded, is clearly another ridiculous parallel to draw.
Breakenridge then attempts to back up his preposterous argument by citing "peer-reviewed papers on the collapse" of the buildings, including the 10,000 page NIST report.
This is probably news to Breakenridge, but NIST itself has completely failed to address the cause of WTC 7's collapse and has not yet issued a final report on the reason for the 7-second implosion. In addition, NIST itself admits that the debris from the twin towers was not the cause of the collapse.
Breakenridge also cites, "The study by a Cambridge University engineer (which) demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total."
First of all, Breakenridge starts out talking about Building 7 but then suddenly switches to citing reports about the collapse of the twin towers, which is bizarre but unsurprising considering the laughable amateurish nature of his article.
Furthermore, the alleged Cambridge University report has been completely debunked because its conclusions violate fundamental laws of physics.
The report, "essentially claims that a falling body can fall through the path of most resistance. Such a claim is ludicrous and defies all logic or honest scientific integrity," according to J A Blacker MSc IMI, who wrote to the university demanding the report be corrected.
Mr Blacker?s request also challenges the claim that ?All the floors offered the same flimsy resistance," when in fact, "each had different construction characteristics, the lower floor core columns were over double the thickness compared to the upper floors.?
?The Seffen paper claims that burning jet fuel in air can weaken ALL the steel girders evenly (hence symmetrical collapse due to gravity of all columns perfectly), yet both ends of these outer and inner massive columns were outside the fire zone to differing degrees hence heat would have conducted up and down very efficiently at different rates, and many columns were not even subjected to any significant fire. Are we really expected to believe that fire can weaken steel evenly despite the core columns conducting heat efficiently at varying rates away from varied regions of temperature?? concludes Blacker.
Radio host Rob Breakenridge's attempt to discredit Jesse Ventura's allegation that WTC 7 was deliberately imploded failed miserably,as the following article demonstrates:
<TABLE width=445 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=397 height=66>Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 10, 2008
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An almost unbelievably absurd and weak hit piece against Jesse Ventura's contention that WTC 7 was deliberately imploded on 9/11 compares a 4-story church that was a stone's throw away from the twin towers with a 47-story skyscraper that was nearly 400 feet away.
Responding to the former Minnesota Governor's recent appearance on Fox News, CHQR radio host Rob Breakenridge writes, "Ventura obviously thinks this sounds very clever, but there's one point on which he's factually incorrect: it was more than three buildings. The twin towers (1WTC & 2WTC) obviously collapsed, as did 7WTC - the three buildings Ventura cites. What he neglects to mention is that 3WTC (Marriott Hotel) and St. Nick's Cathedral also collapsed that day."
Let's start with Breakenridge's absurd example of St. Nicholas Church as a building that was destroyed by the twin towers' collapse on 9/11.
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This is a picture of the 4-story Church building. It stands in the shadow of the 1362-foot tall south tower. To compare this with a gigantic 576-foot tall skyscraper that would be the tallest building in most major cities and stands a full 355 feet away from the north tower is patently ludicrous.The humble church building is like an ant compared to the colossal south tower, of course it would have been crushed when the south tower collapsed. How on earth can Breakenridge draw a parallel between this tiny building and a gigantic skyscraper that was nearly half as tall as the twin towers?
The 47-story WTC 7 following the collapse of the twin towers. Somewhat different to the 4-story St. Nicholas Church.The difference between all these buildings and WTC 7 was that they were all closer to the twin towers than Building 7 and none of them collapsed in a 7-second implosion style demolition.
All were pelted by debris and essentially hollowed out, but their basic foundation remained in place and they did not fall to the ground at the speed of gravity within 7 seconds. All the buildings remained standing until they were demolished weeks later.
In comparison, WTC 7 had suffered little debris damage because it stood a full 355 feet away from the north tower and yet it imploded into its own footprint in an instant.
WTC 3 was in the middle of the WTC towers, whereas Building 7 was 355 feet away. WTC 3 was less than half the height of WTC 7 and yet WTC 7 experienced a full implosion-style collapse within 7 seconds, while the foundation of WTC 3 survived.
A comparison between WTC 3 and WTC 7, even taking into account the fact that WTC 3 was not completely destroyed despite taking the brunt of both twin towers whereas WTC 7 was imploded, is clearly another ridiculous parallel to draw.
Breakenridge then attempts to back up his preposterous argument by citing "peer-reviewed papers on the collapse" of the buildings, including the 10,000 page NIST report.
This is probably news to Breakenridge, but NIST itself has completely failed to address the cause of WTC 7's collapse and has not yet issued a final report on the reason for the 7-second implosion. In addition, NIST itself admits that the debris from the twin towers was not the cause of the collapse.
Breakenridge also cites, "The study by a Cambridge University engineer (which) demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total."
First of all, Breakenridge starts out talking about Building 7 but then suddenly switches to citing reports about the collapse of the twin towers, which is bizarre but unsurprising considering the laughable amateurish nature of his article.
Furthermore, the alleged Cambridge University report has been completely debunked because its conclusions violate fundamental laws of physics.
The report, "essentially claims that a falling body can fall through the path of most resistance. Such a claim is ludicrous and defies all logic or honest scientific integrity," according to J A Blacker MSc IMI, who wrote to the university demanding the report be corrected.
Mr Blacker?s request also challenges the claim that ?All the floors offered the same flimsy resistance," when in fact, "each had different construction characteristics, the lower floor core columns were over double the thickness compared to the upper floors.?
?The Seffen paper claims that burning jet fuel in air can weaken ALL the steel girders evenly (hence symmetrical collapse due to gravity of all columns perfectly), yet both ends of these outer and inner massive columns were outside the fire zone to differing degrees hence heat would have conducted up and down very efficiently at different rates, and many columns were not even subjected to any significant fire. Are we really expected to believe that fire can weaken steel evenly despite the core columns conducting heat efficiently at varying rates away from varied regions of temperature?? concludes Blacker.
Breakenridge's pathetic attempt to smear Jesse Ventura is atypical of the hit pieces against the 9/11 truth movement that we've become accustomed to - setting up straw man arguments, making comparisons between completely anathema scenarios, and using arguments that violate the very basic laws of physics.
Link:
Ludicrous Hit Piece Attacks Ventura On WTC Collapse Comments
Link:
Ludicrous Hit Piece Attacks Ventura On WTC Collapse Comments
DimeDR
Banned
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
great stuff scrimmage ... one of my faves the OSS (official story sheep) never want to face is how the fires under the wtcs continued burning for 90+ days at temps 2xs hotter than kerosene burns; and this with firemen spraying three months worth of every concoction on the flames known to man ... ok, dont get me started
thanks
dimeDR
great stuff scrimmage ... one of my faves the OSS (official story sheep) never want to face is how the fires under the wtcs continued burning for 90+ days at temps 2xs hotter than kerosene burns; and this with firemen spraying three months worth of every concoction on the flames known to man ... ok, dont get me started
thanks
dimeDR
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Dime,on the issue you raise,here's a description and explanation of the fires that burned in the aftermath of the WTC collapse,and what could account for the intense heat.
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Thermite and the WTC Collapses
great stuff scrimmage ... one of my faves the OSS (official story sheep) never want to face is how the fires under the wtcs continued burning for 90+ days at temps 2xs hotter than kerosene burns; and this with firemen spraying three months worth of every concoction on the flames known to man ... ok, dont get me started
thanks
dimeDR
Dime,on the issue you raise,here's a description and explanation of the fires that burned in the aftermath of the WTC collapse,and what could account for the intense heat.
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Why was the temperature at the core of "the pile" nearly 5000 F hotter than the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel a full seven days after the collapses?There were no infernos in either of the twin towers before they collapsed,so what caused the hot spots deep in their wreckage?
A thermite reaction generates extraordinarily high temperatures [>25000 C] and provides a credible explanation for the fires, hot spots and molten steel (a by-product of the thermite reaction) found in the collapsed buildings.
The wreckage of WTC 2 radiated the greatest heat on September 16, 2001.Thermite detonations would account for this.
A thermite reaction generates large amounts of ultraviolet radiation:
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Following the World Trade Center collapses thermal hot spots with temperatures in excess of 7000C existed deep within the wreckage of the buildings. These temperatures were sustained for a long period of time.
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<CENTER><TABLE id=AutoNumber8 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>The temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to. [ABC News, 9/18/01]
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<CENTER><TABLE id=AutoNumber8 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>The temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to. [ABC News, 9/18/01]
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<TD>"This is how it's been since day one...and this is six weeks later. As we get closer to the center of this it gets hotter and hotter - it's probably 1500 degrees." WMV video download (616kB)
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<TD>"Out on the rubble it's still, I believe, 1,100 degrees. The guys boots just melt within a few hours."
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In perfect conditions the maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons such as jet fuel burning in air is 1520 F (825 C). When the World Trade Center collapsed the deeply buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased.
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<TD>"Out on the rubble it's still, I believe, 1,100 degrees. The guys boots just melt within a few hours."WMV video download (130kB)
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Why was the temperature at the core of "the pile" nearly 5000 F hotter than the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel a full seven days after the collapses?There were no infernos in either of the twin towers before they collapsed,so what caused the hot spots deep in their wreckage?
<TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#000000 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>Dr. Frank Gayle, Metals Expert, on the jet fuel fires which burned in the WTC buildings: "Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it didn't, the steel did not melt." [Firehouse.com]
Molten steel did not exist in the WTC buildings prior to the collapses, but...
Molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed [from WTCs 1 & 2]," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. [American Free Press]
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What caused the steel to melt? How did it stay molten for months after the collapse?Molten steel did not exist in the WTC buildings prior to the collapses, but...
Molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed [from WTCs 1 & 2]," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. [American Free Press]
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<TD>One of the more unusual artefacts to emerge from the rubble is this rock-like object which has come to be known as "the meteorite". "This is a fused element of molten steel and concrete all fused by the heat into one single element." WMV video download (376kB)
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The fact that the core of WTC 1 failed below the third floor indicates the above occurred, as does the following:<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
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"If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure"
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"If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure"
Mark Loizeaux, president,
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<TD>Video documenting explosions at the base of WTC 2 prior to its collapse.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE id=AutoNumber20 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>When the rescue team reached an area directly in front of Tower Two, Antonio said he'd take over the equipment cart Will had pushed from Building 5. ... The team moved ahead. ... Suddenly the hallway began to shudder as a terrible deafening roar swept over them. That's when Will saw the giant fireball explode in the street</B>. [bowhunter.com]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TD>"All of a sudden I heard a roar and I saw one of the towers blow ... I saw from street level as though it exploded up, a giant rolling ball of flame..." WMV video download (392kB)
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<TD>White smoke emerging from the dust cloud of the collapsing WTC 2.
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<TD>Video documenting explosions at the base of WTC 2 prior to its collapse. WMV video dowenload (2.8 MB)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE id=AutoNumber20 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>When the rescue team reached an area directly in front of Tower Two, Antonio said he'd take over the equipment cart Will had pushed from Building 5. ... The team moved ahead. ... Suddenly the hallway began to shudder as a terrible deafening roar swept over them. That's when Will saw the giant fireball explode in the street</B>. [bowhunter.com]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<CENTER><TABLE id=AutoNumber2 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>As Ron DiFrancesco ran away [from WTC 2] he was hit by a fireball ... he was probably the last person out alive. "I saw the fireball and heard a loud noise. That's all I remember..." WMV video download (291kB)
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<TD>"All of a sudden I heard a roar and I saw one of the towers blow ... I saw from street level as though it exploded up, a giant rolling ball of flame..." WMV video download (392kB)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<CENTER><TABLE id=AutoNumber14 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Same reporter: "I hear simultaneously this roar and see what appears to be a gigantic fireball rising up at ground level . . . I remember seeing this giant ball of fire come out of the earth as I heard this roar" [Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind the Breaking News of 9/11 - P 239]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>
<TABLE cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Survivor in WTC 1 stairwell during WTC 2 collapse: "...and all of a sudden this huge cloud of dark grey smoke comes shooting up the stairway ... and it was hot - very, very hot." WMV video download (201kB)<TD>
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<TD>White smoke emerging from the dust cloud of the collapsing WTC 2.WMV video download (341kB)
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Thermite gives off dense white smoke with very little odor.<TD>
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The smoke rising from the wreckage should have been black, not white.<TABLE id=AutoNumber12 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
<TD>Video of smoke rising from the World Trade Center wreckage.
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<TD>Video of smoke rising from the World Trade Center wreckage.WMV video download (121kB)
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The wreckage of WTC 2 radiated the greatest heat on September 16, 2001.Thermite detonations would account for this.
A thermite reaction generates large amounts of ultraviolet radiation:
<TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#000000 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>On 27 September, the officials ordered 2000 gallons of [Pyrocool FEF], which when added to water produces a slippery, low-viscosity foam. ... Berger adds that "Pyrocool also contains two powerful ultra-violet absorbers." [New Scientist]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
The core column shown above the firefighter was discovered after the collapse. The angled cut occurs in exactly the manner that shaped charges slice through steel beams to control the way they fall. Notice the hardened once liquid metal. Was thermite used with the shaped charge?
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DimeDR
Banned
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
im sure david coburn will come in here and explain that everyone is a nut who believes anything that doesnt come out of his mouth or the USA GOV. POWERS THAT BE ... or maybe MARINE could make an appearance and pick apart the overwhelming truths of that murdering day perpetuated by non-muslims and money mad, oil thirsty psychopaths intimidated by the mossad et al.
arty :LMAO
can the gov. show us the ticket receipts issued to the boxcutters :+clueless
im sure david coburn will come in here and explain that everyone is a nut who believes anything that doesnt come out of his mouth or the USA GOV. POWERS THAT BE ... or maybe MARINE could make an appearance and pick apart the overwhelming truths of that murdering day perpetuated by non-muslims and money mad, oil thirsty psychopaths intimidated by the mossad et al.
arty :LMAO can the gov. show us the ticket receipts issued to the boxcutters :+clueless
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Dime:
Not ONE Muslim on the Passenger lists of 9-11 or on any of the Morque reports
Interesting how no passenger luggage, tail or wing section found at the
Pentagon
Interesting how jet fuel does not Max at the temps needed to melt steel beams and amazing they dropped straight down into their footprints like #7
which Silverstein admitted was "pulled"
Rodriguez forced to do his testimony in private and was not included in the 9-11 Commissions report
Millions shorted days before 9-11 on AA stock
Marvin Bush on board of company that handled WTC Security up until 9-10
Rumsfeld admitted in an Oct, 2001 interview a "missle" hit the Pentagon
Cheney was running NORAD on the morning of 9-11 ... notice how no fighter jets could be found anywhere but yet Payne Stewarts Cesna goes offline and jets immediately scrambled
Bush had attack plans to hit Afghanistan on his desk 9-9 due to the Taliban stiffing him and Cheney on the UNOCAL pipeline deal
ITS KNOWN AS:
PNAC
OPERATION NORTHWOODS
Dime:
Not ONE Muslim on the Passenger lists of 9-11 or on any of the Morque reports
Interesting how no passenger luggage, tail or wing section found at the
Pentagon
Interesting how jet fuel does not Max at the temps needed to melt steel beams and amazing they dropped straight down into their footprints like #7
which Silverstein admitted was "pulled"
Rodriguez forced to do his testimony in private and was not included in the 9-11 Commissions report
Millions shorted days before 9-11 on AA stock
Marvin Bush on board of company that handled WTC Security up until 9-10
Rumsfeld admitted in an Oct, 2001 interview a "missle" hit the Pentagon
Cheney was running NORAD on the morning of 9-11 ... notice how no fighter jets could be found anywhere but yet Payne Stewarts Cesna goes offline and jets immediately scrambled
Bush had attack plans to hit Afghanistan on his desk 9-9 due to the Taliban stiffing him and Cheney on the UNOCAL pipeline deal
ITS KNOWN AS:
PNAC
OPERATION NORTHWOODS
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
FAKE TERROR -
THE ROAD TO WAR AND DICTATORSHIP
FAKE TERROR -
THE ROAD TO WAR AND DICTATORSHIP
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating the enemies you need. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="606">In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus Licinius Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on the spot for a tiny fraction of it's worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the building to burn to the ground. By means of this device, Crassus eventually came to be the largest single private land holder in Rome, and used some of his wealth to help back Julius Caesar against Cicero. </td> <td width="4">
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on what Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no intentions of enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a plan. Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Spartacus in order to strike terror into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Spartacus had already defeated in battle. But Spartacus had no intention of marching on Rome itself, a move he knew to be suicidal. Spartacus and his band wanted nothing to do with the Roman empire and had planned from the start merely to loot enough money from their former owners in the Italian countryside to hire a mercenary fleet in which to sail to freedom.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Spartacus to do. He needed a convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal political gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without Spartacus, then positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Spartacus had no choice but to march on Rome. Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators, Rome declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Spartacus' army and even though Pompey took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the following year.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of government. Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of Crassus, Pompeii, and Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like Emperors of Rome. The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Emperors.
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</td> <td width="216">Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>
</td> <td width="216">Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero, Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers. Then the Reichstag burned down; a staged terrorist attack.
The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the total rule of Der Fuehrer. Hitler had German troops dressed in Polish uniforms attack the radio station at Gliewitz, then lied to the Germans, telling them Poland had invaded, and marched Germany off into World War Two
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The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the total rule of Der Fuehrer. Hitler had German troops dressed in Polish uniforms attack the radio station at Gliewitz, then lied to the Germans, telling them Poland had invaded, and marched Germany off into World War Two
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice. Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in Cuba. Hearst is reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to photograph the coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war that might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, "You take the photographs, and I will provide the war". Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper published stories of great atrocities being committed against the Cuban people, most of which turned out to be complete fabrications. On the night of February 15, 1898, the USS Maine, lying in Havana harbor in a show of US resolve to protect her interests, exploded violently. Captain Sigsbee, the commander of the Maine, urged that no assumptions of enemy attack be made until there was a full investigation of the cause of the explosion. For this, Captain Sigsbee was excoriated in the press for "refusing to see the obvious". The Atlantic Monthly declared flat out that to suppose the explosion to be anything other than a deliberate act by Spain was "completely at defiance of the laws of probability".
Under the slogan "Remember the Maine", Americans went to war with Spain, eventually winning the Philippines (and annexing Hawaii along the way).
In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion. The most likely cause of the sinking was a coal dust explosion in a coal bunker imprudently located next to the ship's magazines. Captain Sigsbee's caution had been well founded.
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Under the slogan "Remember the Maine", Americans went to war with Spain, eventually winning the Philippines (and annexing Hawaii along the way).
In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion. The most likely cause of the sinking was a coal dust explosion in a coal bunker imprudently located next to the ship's magazines. Captain Sigsbee's caution had been well founded.
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</td> <td>President Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed a war. He needed the fever of a major war to mask the symptoms of a still deathly ill economy struggling back from the Great Depression (and mutating towards Socialism at the same time). Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany to stop Hitler, but despite several provocations in the Atlantic, the American people, still struggling with that troublesome economy, were opposed to any wars. Roosevelt violated neutrality with lend lease, and even ordered the sinking of several German ships in the Atlantic, but Hitler refused to be provoked. Roosevelt needed an enemy, and if America would not willingly attack that enemy, then one would have to be maneuvered into attacking America, much as Marcus Licinius Crassus has maneuvered Spartacus into attacking Rome.
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</td> <td>President Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed a war. He needed the fever of a major war to mask the symptoms of a still deathly ill economy struggling back from the Great Depression (and mutating towards Socialism at the same time). Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany to stop Hitler, but despite several provocations in the Atlantic, the American people, still struggling with that troublesome economy, were opposed to any wars. Roosevelt violated neutrality with lend lease, and even ordered the sinking of several German ships in the Atlantic, but Hitler refused to be provoked. Roosevelt needed an enemy, and if America would not willingly attack that enemy, then one would have to be maneuvered into attacking America, much as Marcus Licinius Crassus has maneuvered Spartacus into attacking Rome.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>The way open to war was created when Japan signed the tripartite agreement with Italy and Germany, with all parties pledging mutual defense to each other. Whereas Hitler would never declare war on the United States no matter the provocation, the means to force Japan to do so were readily at hand. The first step was to place oil and steel embargoes on Japan, using Japan's wars on the Asian mainland as a reason. This forced Japan to consider seizing the oil and mineral rich regions in Indonesia. With the European powers militarily exhausted by the war in Europe, the United States was the only power in the Pacific able to stop Japan from invading the Dutch East Indies, and by moving the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Roosevelt made a pre-emptive strike on that fleet the mandatory first step in any Japanese plan to extend it's empire into the "southern resource area".
Roosevelt boxed in Japan just as completely as Crassus had boxed in Spartacus. Japan needed oil. They had to invade Indonesia to get it, and to do that they first had to remove the threat of the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. There never really was any other course open to them.
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Roosevelt boxed in Japan just as completely as Crassus had boxed in Spartacus. Japan needed oil. They had to invade Indonesia to get it, and to do that they first had to remove the threat of the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. There never really was any other course open to them.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>To enrage the American people as much as possible, Roosevelt needed the first overt attack by Japan to be as bloody as possible, appearing as a sneak attack much as the Japanese had done to the Russians. From that moment up until the attack on Pearl Harbor itself, Roosevelt and his associates made sure that the commanders in Hawaii, General Short and Admiral Kimmel, were kept in the dark as much as possible about the location of the Japanese fleet and it's intentions, then later scapegoated for the attack. (Congress recently exonerated both Short and Kimmel, posthumously restoring them to their former ranks). </td> <td>
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>But as the Army board had concluded at the time, and subsequent de-classified documents confirmed, Washington DC knew the attack was coming, knew exactly where the Japanese fleet was, and knew where it was headed. On November 29th, Secretary of State Hull showed United Press reporter Joe Leib a message with the time and place of the attack, and the New York Times in it's special 12/8/41 Pearl Harbor edition, on page 13, reported that the time and place of the attack had been known in advance!
The much repeated claim that the Japanese fleet maintained radio silence on it's way to Hawaii was a lie. Among other intercepts still held in the Archives of the NSA is the UNCODED message sent by the Japanese tanker Shirya stating, "proceeding to a position 30.00 N, 154.20 E. Expect to arrive at that point on 3 December." (near HI)
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</td> <td>President Lyndon Johnson wanted a war in Vietnam. He wanted it to help his friends who owned defense companies to do a little business. He needed it to get the Pentagon and CIA to quit trying to invade Cuba. And most of all, he needed a provocation to convince the American people that there was really "no other choice". On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks" against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on "routine patrol".
The truth is that USS Maddox was involved in aggressive intelligence gathering in coordination with actual attacks by South Vietnam and the Laotian Air Force against targets in North Vietnam. The truth is also that there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonar man who had picked up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked. But even with this knowledge that the report was false, Lyndon Johnson went on national TV that night to announce the commencement of air strikes against North Vietnam, "retaliation" for an attack that had never occurred.
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The much repeated claim that the Japanese fleet maintained radio silence on it's way to Hawaii was a lie. Among other intercepts still held in the Archives of the NSA is the UNCODED message sent by the Japanese tanker Shirya stating, "proceeding to a position 30.00 N, 154.20 E. Expect to arrive at that point on 3 December." (near HI)
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</td> <td>President Lyndon Johnson wanted a war in Vietnam. He wanted it to help his friends who owned defense companies to do a little business. He needed it to get the Pentagon and CIA to quit trying to invade Cuba. And most of all, he needed a provocation to convince the American people that there was really "no other choice". On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks" against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on "routine patrol".
The truth is that USS Maddox was involved in aggressive intelligence gathering in coordination with actual attacks by South Vietnam and the Laotian Air Force against targets in North Vietnam. The truth is also that there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonar man who had picked up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked. But even with this knowledge that the report was false, Lyndon Johnson went on national TV that night to announce the commencement of air strikes against North Vietnam, "retaliation" for an attack that had never occurred.
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</td> <td>President George H. W. Bush wanted a war in Iraq. Like Crassus, George Bush is motivated by money. Specifically oil money. But with the OPEC alliance failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath Iraq, which sat over roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the entire region. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>
</td> <td>President George H. W. Bush wanted a war in Iraq. Like Crassus, George Bush is motivated by money. Specifically oil money. But with the OPEC alliance failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath Iraq, which sat over roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the entire region. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>George wanted a war to stop that flow of oil, to keep prices (and profits) from falling any further than they already had. But like Roosevelt, he needed the "other side" to make the first move. Iraq had long been trying to acquire greater access to the Persian Gulf, and felt limited confined a narrow strip of land along Kuwait's northern border, which placed Iraqi interests in close proximity with hostile Iran. George Bush, who had been covertly arming Iraq during its war with Iran, sent word via April Glaspie that the United States would not intervene if Saddam Hussein grabbed a larger part of Kuwait. Saddam fell for the bait and invaded.
Of course, Americans were not about to send their sons and daughters to risk their lives for petroleum products. So George Bush arranged a hoax, using a public relations firm which has grown rich on taxpayer money by being most industrious and creative liars! The PR firm concocted a monumental fraud in which the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror story in which Iraqi troops looted the incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital, leaving the premature babies on the cold floor to die. The media, part of the swindle from the start, never bothered asking why the "nurse" didn't just pick the babies up and wrap them in blankets or something.
Enraged by the incubator story, Americans supported operation Desert Storm, which never removed Saddam Hussein from power but which did take Kuwait's oil off of the market for almost 2 years and limited Iraq's oil exports to this very day. That our sons and daughters came home with serious and lingering medical illnesses was apparently not too great a price to pay for increased oil profits.
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Of course, Americans were not about to send their sons and daughters to risk their lives for petroleum products. So George Bush arranged a hoax, using a public relations firm which has grown rich on taxpayer money by being most industrious and creative liars! The PR firm concocted a monumental fraud in which the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror story in which Iraqi troops looted the incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital, leaving the premature babies on the cold floor to die. The media, part of the swindle from the start, never bothered asking why the "nurse" didn't just pick the babies up and wrap them in blankets or something.
Enraged by the incubator story, Americans supported operation Desert Storm, which never removed Saddam Hussein from power but which did take Kuwait's oil off of the market for almost 2 years and limited Iraq's oil exports to this very day. That our sons and daughters came home with serious and lingering medical illnesses was apparently not too great a price to pay for increased oil profits.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>Following the victory in Iraq, yet another war appeared to be in the offering in the mineral rich regions of Bosnia. Yet again, a hoax was used to create support for military action. The photo (right) of Fikret Alic staring through a barbed wire fence, was used to "prove" the existence of modern day "Concentration Camps". As the headline of "Belsen 92" indicates, all possible associations with the Nazi horrors were made to sell the necessity of sending yet more American troops into someone else's nation.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>But when German Journalists went to Trnopolje, the site of the supposed Concentration Camp. to film a documentary, they discovered that the photo was a fake! The camp at Trnopolje was not a concentration camp but a refugee center. Nor was it surrounded by barbed wire. Careful examination of the original photo revealed that the photographer had shot the photo through a broken section of fence surrounding a tool shed. It was the photographer who was on the inside, shooting out at the refugees. Once again, Americans had been hoaxed into support of actions they might otherwise not have agreed with.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>While several American Presidents have willingly started wars for personal purposes, perhaps no President has ever carried it to the extreme that Bill Clinton has. Coincident with the expected public statement of Monica Lewinsky following her testimony, Bill Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on Sudan and Afghanistan, claiming to have had irrefutable proof that bogeyman extraordinaire (and former Afghani ally) Osama Bin Ladin was creating terrorist chemical weapons there.
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</td> <td>Examination of the photos of the debris revealed none of the expected structures one would find in a laboratory that handled lethal weapons-grade materials. Assurances from the CIA that they had a positive soil test for biological weapons fell on their face when it was revealed that there had been no open soil anywhere near the pre-bombed facility. Sudan requested that international observers come test the remains of the factory for any signs of the nerve gas Clinton had insisted was there. None was found. The Sudanese plant was a harmless aspirin factory, and the owner has sued for damages.</td></tr></tbody></table></center>
</td> <td>Examination of the photos of the debris revealed none of the expected structures one would find in a laboratory that handled lethal weapons-grade materials. Assurances from the CIA that they had a positive soil test for biological weapons fell on their face when it was revealed that there had been no open soil anywhere near the pre-bombed facility. Sudan requested that international observers come test the remains of the factory for any signs of the nerve gas Clinton had insisted was there. None was found. The Sudanese plant was a harmless aspirin factory, and the owner has sued for damages.</td></tr></tbody></table></center>
Later examination of the site hit in Afghanistan revealed it to be a mosque.
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>Meanwhile, back in Kosovo, stories about genocide and atrocities were flooding the media (in time to distract from the Sudanese embarrassments), just as lurid and sensational and as it turns out often just as fictional as most of William Randolph Hearst's stories of atrocities against the Cubans. Again, the government and the media were hoaxing Americans. The above photo was shown on all the American networks, claiming to be one of Slobodan Milosovic's Migs, shot down while attacking civilians. Closer examination (click on the photo) shows it to be stenciled in English!
Like Germany under Chancellor Hitler, there have been events in our nation which strike fear into the hearts of the citizens, such as the New York World Trade Tower bombing, the OK City Federal Building, and the Olympic Park bomb (nicely timed to divert the media from witnesses to the TWA 800 shoot down). The media has been very quick to blame such events on "radicals", "subversives", "vast right wing conspiracies", and other "enemies in our midst", no different than the lies used by Cicero and Hitler.
But on closer examination, such "domestic terrorist" events do not appear to be what they are made out to be. The FBI had an informant inside the World Trade Tower bombers, Emad Salam, who offered to sabotage the bomb. The FBI told him "no". The so-called "hot bed" of white separatism at Elohim City, occasional home to Tim McVeigh in the weeks prior to the OK City bombing, was founded and is being run by an FBI informant!
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Like Germany under Chancellor Hitler, there have been events in our nation which strike fear into the hearts of the citizens, such as the New York World Trade Tower bombing, the OK City Federal Building, and the Olympic Park bomb (nicely timed to divert the media from witnesses to the TWA 800 shoot down). The media has been very quick to blame such events on "radicals", "subversives", "vast right wing conspiracies", and other "enemies in our midst", no different than the lies used by Cicero and Hitler.
But on closer examination, such "domestic terrorist" events do not appear to be what they are made out to be. The FBI had an informant inside the World Trade Tower bombers, Emad Salam, who offered to sabotage the bomb. The FBI told him "no". The so-called "hot bed" of white separatism at Elohim City, occasional home to Tim McVeigh in the weeks prior to the OK City bombing, was founded and is being run by an FBI informant!
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>And nobody has ever really explained what this second Ryder truck was doing in a secret camp half way from Elohim City to Oklahoma City two weeks before the bombing. So, here we are today. Like the Romans of Crassus' and Cicero's time, or the Germans under a newly elected Hitler, we are being warned that a dangerous enemy threatens us, implacable, invisible, omnipresent, and invulnerable as long as our government is hamstrung by that silly old Bill of Rights. Already there have appeared articles debating whether or not "extraordinary measures" (i.e. torture) are not fully justified under certain circumstances such as those we are purported to face.
As was the case in Rome and Germany, the government continues to plead with the public for an expansion of its power and authority, to "deal with the crisis".
However, as Casio watch timers are paraded before the cameras, to the stentorian tones of the talking heads' constant dire warnings, it is legitimate to question just how real the crises is, and how much is the result of political machinations by our own leaders.
Are the terrorists really a threat, or just hired actors with bombs and Casio watches, paid for by Cicero and given brown shirts to wear by Hitler?
Is terrorism inside the United States really from outside, or is it a stage managed production, designed to cause Americans to believe they have no choice but to surrender the Republic and accept the totalitarian rule of a new emperor, or a new Fuhrer?
Once lost, the Romans never got their Republic back. Once lost, the Germans never got their Republic back. In both cases, the nation had to totally collapse before freedom was restored to the people.
Remember that when Crassus tells you that Spartacus approaches.
Remember that when thugs in the streets act in a manner clearly designed to provoke the public fear.
Remember that when the Reichstag burns down.
Remember that when the President lies to you about weapons of mass destruction.
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As was the case in Rome and Germany, the government continues to plead with the public for an expansion of its power and authority, to "deal with the crisis".
However, as Casio watch timers are paraded before the cameras, to the stentorian tones of the talking heads' constant dire warnings, it is legitimate to question just how real the crises is, and how much is the result of political machinations by our own leaders.
Are the terrorists really a threat, or just hired actors with bombs and Casio watches, paid for by Cicero and given brown shirts to wear by Hitler?
Is terrorism inside the United States really from outside, or is it a stage managed production, designed to cause Americans to believe they have no choice but to surrender the Republic and accept the totalitarian rule of a new emperor, or a new Fuhrer?
Once lost, the Romans never got their Republic back. Once lost, the Germans never got their Republic back. In both cases, the nation had to totally collapse before freedom was restored to the people.
Remember that when Crassus tells you that Spartacus approaches.
Remember that when thugs in the streets act in a manner clearly designed to provoke the public fear.
Remember that when the Reichstag burns down.
Remember that when the President lies to you about weapons of mass destruction.
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WASHINGTON ? Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.
Injecting himself into the campaign four days ahead of the presidential election, bin Laden said the United States can avoid another Sept. 11-style attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.
In the portion of the tape that was broadcast, the Al Qaeda (search) leader refrained from directly warning of new attacks, although he said "there are still reasons to repeat what happened."
"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent. "Any state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security."
Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.
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"To the American people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another Manhattan," he said. "I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."
After the video was aired, President Bush said that "Americans will not be intimidated" by bin Laden. Sen. John Kerry criticized Bush for failing to capture bin Laden earlier and said that "I can run a more effective war on terror."
The political impact of the tape could cut both ways. It bolsters Bush's argument that the world is a dangerous place and plays to his strength as commander in chief in fighting the war on terror, but it also underscores that his administration has failed to capture or kill America's No. 1 enemy more than three years after the terror attacks on New York and Washington.
It was the first footage in more than a year of the fugitive Al Qaeda leader, thought to be hiding in the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The video, broadcast on Al-Jazeera television, showed bin Laden with a long, gray beard, wearing traditional white robes, a turban and a golden cloak, standing behind a table with papers and in front of a plain, brown curtain.
His hands were steady and he appeared healthy.
The Bush administration said it believes the videotape is authentic and was made recently, noting that bin Laden referred to 1,000 U.S. military deaths in Iraq -- which happened in early September.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the administration did not plan to raise the nation's threat level for now. The U.S. official said the 18-minute tape -- which carries English subtitles, though not in the portion shown on Al-Jazeera -- lacks an explicit threat and repeats well-worn themes.
Multiple sources told FOX News that the tape is authentic and that it was made recently.
Al-Jazeera, which is based in Qatar, broadcast about seven minutes of the tape. The station's spokesman, Jihad Ali Ballout, said Al-Jazeera aired what was "newsworthy and relevant" and refused to describe the unaired portions, including whether they included any threats. Ballout said the station received the tape Friday but would not say how.
Before the tape was aired, the State Department asked the government of Qatar to discourage Al-Jazeera from broadcasting it, a senior State Department official said.
In the video, bin Laden accused Bush of misleading Americans by saying the attack was carried out because Al Qaeda "hates freedom." The terrorist leader said his followers have left alone countries that do not threaten Muslims.
"We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours," bin Laden said.
He said he was first inspired to attack the United States by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon in which towers and buildings in Beirut were destroyed in the siege of the capital.
"While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women," he said.
"God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind," he said.
Bin Laden suggested Bush was slow to react to the Sept. 11 attacks, giving the hijackers more time than they expected. At the time of the attacks, the president was listening to schoolchildren in Florida reading a book.
"It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone," he said, referring to the number of people who worked at the World Trade Center.
"It appeared to him [Bush] that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God," he said.
Excluding the hijackers, the Sept. 11 attacks killed 2,749 people at the World Trade Center, 184 at the Pentagon and 40 in Pennsylvania.
In planning the attacks, bin Laden said he told Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers, that the strikes had to be carried out "within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed."
Bin Laden compared the Bush administration to repressive Arab regimes "in that half of them are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents."
He said the resemblance became clear when Bush's father was president and visited Arab countries.
"He wound up being impressed by the royal and military regimes and envied them for staying decades in their positions and embezzling the nation's money with no supervision," bin Laden said.
"He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments."
The image of bin Laden reading a statement was dramatically different from the few other videos of the Al Qaeda leader that have emerged since the Sept. 11 attacks.
In the last videotape, issued Sept. 10, 2003, bin Laden is seen walking through rocky terrain with his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, both carrying automatic rifles. In a taped message issued at the same time, bin Laden praises the "great damage to the enemy" on Sept. 11 and mentions five hijackers by name.
In December 2001, the Pentagon released a videotape in which bin Laden is shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, saying the destruction of the Sept. 11 attacks exceeded even his "optimistic" calculations.
But in none of his previous messages, audio or video, did bin Laden directly state that he ordered the attacks.
U.S. authorities have long said they believe bin Laden is hiding in a rugged, mountainous tribal region of Pakistan that borders Afghanistan, but there has been no firm evidence of his whereabouts for three years.
The last audiotape purportedly from bin Laden came in April. The speaker on the tape, which CIA analysts said likely was the Al Qaeda leader, offered a truce to European nations if they pull troops out of Muslim countries. The tape referred to the March 22 assassination by Israel of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin.
Retired Lt. Col. Bill Cowen, a FOX News military analyst, said bin Laden timed the tape deliberately.
"I think he's just trying to slap the president around a little bit and in my opinion is trying to influence the election," Cowen said.
Cowen said that while the tape showed that the most wanted terrorist was still at large, it also should be seen in another light.
"This tape is also a reminder of how we've decimated the top Al Qaeda leadership," Cowen said. "It took us 20 years to find Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, right here in the United States."
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WASHINGTON ? Usama bin Laden (search ) made his first televised appearance in more than a year Friday in which he admitted for the first time ordering the Sept. 11 attacks and accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people.
Injecting himself into the campaign four days ahead of the presidential election, bin Laden said the United States can avoid another Sept. 11-style attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.
In the portion of the tape that was broadcast, the Al Qaeda (search) leader refrained from directly warning of new attacks, although he said "there are still reasons to repeat what happened."
"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent. "Any state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security."
Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.
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"To the American people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another Manhattan," he said. "I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."
After the video was aired, President Bush said that "Americans will not be intimidated" by bin Laden. Sen. John Kerry criticized Bush for failing to capture bin Laden earlier and said that "I can run a more effective war on terror."
The political impact of the tape could cut both ways. It bolsters Bush's argument that the world is a dangerous place and plays to his strength as commander in chief in fighting the war on terror, but it also underscores that his administration has failed to capture or kill America's No. 1 enemy more than three years after the terror attacks on New York and Washington.
It was the first footage in more than a year of the fugitive Al Qaeda leader, thought to be hiding in the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The video, broadcast on Al-Jazeera television, showed bin Laden with a long, gray beard, wearing traditional white robes, a turban and a golden cloak, standing behind a table with papers and in front of a plain, brown curtain.
His hands were steady and he appeared healthy.
The Bush administration said it believes the videotape is authentic and was made recently, noting that bin Laden referred to 1,000 U.S. military deaths in Iraq -- which happened in early September.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the administration did not plan to raise the nation's threat level for now. The U.S. official said the 18-minute tape -- which carries English subtitles, though not in the portion shown on Al-Jazeera -- lacks an explicit threat and repeats well-worn themes.
Multiple sources told FOX News that the tape is authentic and that it was made recently.
Al-Jazeera, which is based in Qatar, broadcast about seven minutes of the tape. The station's spokesman, Jihad Ali Ballout, said Al-Jazeera aired what was "newsworthy and relevant" and refused to describe the unaired portions, including whether they included any threats. Ballout said the station received the tape Friday but would not say how.
Before the tape was aired, the State Department asked the government of Qatar to discourage Al-Jazeera from broadcasting it, a senior State Department official said.
In the video, bin Laden accused Bush of misleading Americans by saying the attack was carried out because Al Qaeda "hates freedom." The terrorist leader said his followers have left alone countries that do not threaten Muslims.
"We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours," bin Laden said.
He said he was first inspired to attack the United States by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon in which towers and buildings in Beirut were destroyed in the siege of the capital.
"While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women," he said.
"God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind," he said.
Bin Laden suggested Bush was slow to react to the Sept. 11 attacks, giving the hijackers more time than they expected. At the time of the attacks, the president was listening to schoolchildren in Florida reading a book.
"It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone," he said, referring to the number of people who worked at the World Trade Center.
"It appeared to him [Bush] that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God," he said.
Excluding the hijackers, the Sept. 11 attacks killed 2,749 people at the World Trade Center, 184 at the Pentagon and 40 in Pennsylvania.
In planning the attacks, bin Laden said he told Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers, that the strikes had to be carried out "within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed."
Bin Laden compared the Bush administration to repressive Arab regimes "in that half of them are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents."
He said the resemblance became clear when Bush's father was president and visited Arab countries.
"He wound up being impressed by the royal and military regimes and envied them for staying decades in their positions and embezzling the nation's money with no supervision," bin Laden said.
"He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments."
The image of bin Laden reading a statement was dramatically different from the few other videos of the Al Qaeda leader that have emerged since the Sept. 11 attacks.
In the last videotape, issued Sept. 10, 2003, bin Laden is seen walking through rocky terrain with his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, both carrying automatic rifles. In a taped message issued at the same time, bin Laden praises the "great damage to the enemy" on Sept. 11 and mentions five hijackers by name.
In December 2001, the Pentagon released a videotape in which bin Laden is shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, saying the destruction of the Sept. 11 attacks exceeded even his "optimistic" calculations.
But in none of his previous messages, audio or video, did bin Laden directly state that he ordered the attacks.
U.S. authorities have long said they believe bin Laden is hiding in a rugged, mountainous tribal region of Pakistan that borders Afghanistan, but there has been no firm evidence of his whereabouts for three years.
The last audiotape purportedly from bin Laden came in April. The speaker on the tape, which CIA analysts said likely was the Al Qaeda leader, offered a truce to European nations if they pull troops out of Muslim countries. The tape referred to the March 22 assassination by Israel of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin.
Retired Lt. Col. Bill Cowen, a FOX News military analyst, said bin Laden timed the tape deliberately.
"I think he's just trying to slap the president around a little bit and in my opinion is trying to influence the election," Cowen said.
Cowen said that while the tape showed that the most wanted terrorist was still at large, it also should be seen in another light.
"This tape is also a reminder of how we've decimated the top Al Qaeda leadership," Cowen said. "It took us 20 years to find Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, right here in the United States."
FOX News' Bret Baier, Ian McCaleb, Anna Persky and The Associated Press :bank:
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Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Roscoe: Great source ... FOX NEWS? LOL !!! I guess the Drudge Report was not available??
Roscoe: Great source ... FOX NEWS? LOL !!! I guess the Drudge Report was not available??
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
Hmmmm .... he ordered a "plane" to hit the Pentagon? Rumsfeld said it was a "missle" and interesting how they were never able to find the Jet engine because no way in hell it dissolves based on its makeup ... Love it .... No damage to the front lawn of the Pentagon and now FOX NEWS is using a guy not even wanted for the 9-11 attacks as their "spokesman" Thank God CEO Roger Ailes didnt work for Reagan and Bush 41 or I might believe FOX is "Fair and Balanced" The National Enquirer has an exclusive with Bin Laden you might want to post on Friday ....
Hmmmm .... he ordered a "plane" to hit the Pentagon? Rumsfeld said it was a "missle" and interesting how they were never able to find the Jet engine because no way in hell it dissolves based on its makeup ... Love it .... No damage to the front lawn of the Pentagon and now FOX NEWS is using a guy not even wanted for the 9-11 attacks as their "spokesman" Thank God CEO Roger Ailes didnt work for Reagan and Bush 41 or I might believe FOX is "Fair and Balanced" The National Enquirer has an exclusive with Bin Laden you might want to post on Friday ....
Re: Bin Laden retracts 9-11 confession, says it was Bush all the time
If our President said it was Obama bin Laden behind 9/11 that's good enough for me.
If our President said it was Obama bin Laden behind 9/11 that's good enough for me.