BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

p.s- the general never spoke to me...ever...even after i begged him to call me on my cell on numerous occasions...chalk it up to lazy and him not caring about my side of the story
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

p.s- the general never spoke to me...ever...even after i begged him to call me on my cell on numerous occasions...chalk it up to lazy and him not caring about my side of the story

gen pete is on his way out , didnt know that at the time
 

sean1

EOG Dedicated
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

It is my opinion that if Betus can provide documented proof that this guy did 3 or more chargebacks at any sportsbooks that he should not be paid a cent.

1 charge back could be warranted - problem with a book not paying, etc.
2 charges backs, maybe he had another problem.

If he has a string of chargebacks, he is simply out to rip off the industry. If that is the case, I think Betus should pay the guys chargebacks back to the other books out of the 18.3k.

If Betus does pay him, they should work with his credit card companies to report him to his local district attorney. Gambling or not, chargebacks without cause are credit card fraud and could land him in a heap of shit.
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

they cant so the point is moot...ur off point anyway...book a bet, lose a bet, pay the bet...simple
hypo- if i missed an alimony payment...should they pay that off first before paying out? how about a parking ticket from 2001?
they will give any excuse not to pay...
 

sean1

EOG Dedicated
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

IF you missed an alimony payment or a parking ticket, it is unrelated.

I have no idea if you routinely charge back books, but if you do, the entire booking community should not pay you a cent.

As an example - if you went and lost $100k marker to the Wynn and did not pay and then you show up at the Bellagio to play, Nevada will arrest you.

I see no difference in books stiffing you if you have done it routinely to books.

Now of course, I have no idea whether or not that you have, but you don't seem to deny it.

How many chargebacks have you issued against books?
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

if u read my post carefully i said "they cant" ...now how much does betus pay u to post?
remeber ppl if they could screw me they will screw u 2!
if u book a bet u must pay the bet...period
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

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I have no control over how this money gets dispersed...

I know the gambler will be paid something substantial even after BETUS pays out the books he did charge backs against...

I didn't say I agreed with this, but it sure may make a cheater think twice before screwing over other sports books as he did...

THE SHRINK

jakster,

The above is exactly part of what I posted last night!

Please don't shoot the messenger...

THE SHRINK
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

i didnt screw over any books...
once again u r not a fair arbitrator...did u call me to find out my side? no...but of course u called betus and believe everything they say...u r just a paid puppet by the books and ur posts showed what kind of person u r...u tell me to keep quiet about the situation and then u blab like a school girl...and unfairly i might add...people will know thr truth...betus screwed me and they will screw anyone who makes 5 figures off them
BOOK THE BET PAY THE BET!
 

sean1

EOG Dedicated
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Jakster, did you or did you not charge back against other books?

You'll rarely see me stand up for Betus and I think the fact I have posted for about 7 years makes it unlikely Betus is paying me to do so.

Bottom line in my view is that charging back without a darn good reason is thieving.

I hope Betus pays the other books if you did chargeback and I hope the other books respond to say they have been paid.

If you did not charge back other books, then you should be paid.

Sean
 

sean1

EOG Dedicated
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Jakster, have you ever charged back versus any sportsbook?
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

only 1 (ultimate) and that was taken care of (i settled with them)...why hasnt betus paid me yet sean? not even a dollar...no excuse...if u book the bet, pay the bet...defend them all u like they r wrong
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

one more time to reiterate...i am in good standing with every book out there including Ultimate and Bodog...BETus and the shrink are trying to focus ur attention away from the fact that they stiffed a player...dont let them do that...they will come up with anything not to pay...i deposited 1000 dollars april 10th and lost, i came back april 18th and deposited again...they could of told me that we dont want ur business but they took the bet...it was win-win for them...if i lose they win if i win they stiff me and they win again...
dont let this happen to u
 

Bagiant

EOG Dedicated
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

I don't see BetUs saying he did charge backs against them. One book has nothing to do with another. If they took his first $1000 and he lost and then deposited another $1000 and won....pay the man. Suppose he had lost 17,000 before he won this 18k, would it be ok for them to hold up his payment?
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Travis,

I have to side with player here. What he's saying, what people have always said about BetUS all match up. What Ken is doing is trying to buy the book some time, make excuses for them, pull a mini character assassination on the player. Let's hear the ENTIRE recording like Jakster mentioned.

And I'm sorry, Ken, because I know this is your forum and I do commend you for allowing people to comment here with negative criticism, but I value the words of SBR John on this infinitely more than yours. Here's what he had to say this morning.

BetUS looks for reasons not to pay and that my friends is a fact. When a player deposits its all great. But when he asks for his money the wheels of stiffness begin in earnest.
 
Another big winner being shaken down

Another big winner being shaken down

Posted by Bill Dozer 5 minutes ago--

Another player has submitted big payout complaint. We have agreed to give them until tomorrow to add more to it but it looks messy. Big balance holders take notice.

What's hilarious is EOG is running the player through the mud to protect this bush league ass sponsor, and SBR is actually acting professionally and seeing through the smoke...
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

one more time to reiterate...i am in good standing with every book out there including Ultimate and Bodog...BETus and the shrink are trying to focus ur attention away from the fact that they stiffed a player...dont let them do that...they will come up with anything not to pay...i deposited 1000 dollars april 10th and lost, i came back april 18th and deposited again...they could of told me that we dont want ur business but they took the bet...it was win-win for them...if i lose they win if i win they stiff me and they win again...
dont let this happen to u

You ungrateful piece of shit...

And I will prove you are NOT in good standing with other books because you are guilty of MULTIPLE CHARGEBACKS with MULTIPLE SPORTS BOOKS AND YOU THREATENED CHARGING back against yet another INNOCENT sports book on the tape I heard!

I don't like you and the posters will hopefully get to hear why I don't on tape...

I am trying like crazy to get you paid, despite ALL of your previous your wrongdoings and resorting to threats and innuendos of conspiracy...

Why?

Because I believe if a sports book takes a bet, they should honor it...

You know, I don't even have to be doing this, don't you?

I am in no way responsible for your DISPUTE, and you have the audacity to attack the hand who is fighting on your behalf?

Let me know how other venues are handling this conflict and what they've gotten back for ya?

How's that working out?

P.S.

Is BODOG lying if they are claiming you charged back to them?

THE SHRINK
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

if by slinging me thru the mud and making up lies about me is help, i dont want to see u when ur not helping...if u were helping me u woulda called me on the phone and talk to me man to man but instead u decide to mudsling and defend betus...we all see right thru u...
bill and SBR are real blogs who know how to handle things without airing out the laundry...u should be ashamed
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

NO...I BEGGED THEM TO CALL ME...i gave them my cell number... but they said "we have 6 years experience" and "a great relationship with betus.." and they never called me...just like betus...now he claims he is helping me by bad mouthing me and calling me " apiece of shit" bec i havent gotten paid by a scam book?! his true colors are coming out...
 
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if by slinging me thru the mud and making up lies about me is help, i dont want to see u when ur not helping...if u were helping me u woulda called me on the phone and talk to me man to man but instead u decide to mudsling and defend betus...we all see right thru u...
bill and SBR are real blogs who know how to handle things without airing out the laundry...u should be ashamed

So let me get this straight...

YOU are the one claiming to be OWED money, right? :+clueless

But rather than picking up a phone and asking ME for help, I am supposed to CALL YOU? :+textinb3

"Oh please Scarlett, let's not go out to dinner so I can CALL and offer my services to a gambler who I believe has cheated other sports books out of money?"

The General has been working on this for over a month...

I just got involved...

If you weren't happy, why did you only let us know only AFTER I alerted gamblers of your FRAUDULENT activities???

If what I am posting isn't truthful, you now have a libel case...

But please don't ever forget that the TRUTH is a great defense in these matters....

Finally, I have nothing against Bill and SBR, and consider them Friends...

But you failed to mention how much have they recouped for you thus far?

You also failed to mention if BODOG is LYING about any charge backs you made against them..

Why is that?

Trying to divide people who are looking to help won't work...

I like Bill, I like John, and I like SBR...

Would you prefer me to stop working on this dispute?

Let me know your decision and I will wash myself of this...

My grandchildren are over now and I am posting to you when I could be playing with them!

The ball is now in your court..

THE SHRINK
 

TomBrady#1

EOG Dedicated
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Can someone please explain to me (and experienced gambler but not a bonus whore or anything like that) what CHARGEBACKS and Taking shots at books mean? Thank you.

1. Chargebacks?

2. Taking shots at books?



Sorry, I do not know.
 

Cobbler

EOG Addicted
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

It's Saturday Night but I can comment that the General has been in touch with the player whereas I have been in touch with BETUS...

Both the General and I have concluded independently that this player has NOT been forthright and honest in all of his affairs when dealing with BETUS and The General...

There seems to be a communication problem here. Jakster says he's never talked to the General. If that's true, how are both sides being heard?
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Cobbler,

They communicated through multiple emails....

The General sent me the exchanges that took place between the two of them...

Tom,

A gambler opens up an account with a sports book using a credit card for 500 dollars as an example...

He loses a bet for 500...

The gambler then calls the credit card company and tells them he didn't make that deposit and to NOT PAY OUT...

The sports book gets fucked...

That's what BETUS claims this gambler has done...

That's what this gambler even admits to doing once..

That's also called taking a shot because if the gambler wins the bet he wouldnt need to charge back..

IMO, once is too much, but there were more and he knows it!

THE SHRINK
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Tom- You seem like you've been around the block so I'm not sure if you are serious or not but

chargeback- You deposit by credit card and then do a charge back so that the money is returned to your cc.

shot at book - breaking rules or playing bad lines on purpose thinking you are going to get paid.

Some guys also try to rake a book over the coals on the forums to extort money.
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Sorry I just read the last few posts so this may be redundant but jakster, if you take a shit you want Shrink to be there to wipe your ass?

You should have contacted EOG first before hitting the forum. Then ask them if they can help you out.
 

TomBrady#1

EOG Dedicated
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Tom- You seem like you've been around the block so I'm not sure if you are serious or not but

chargeback- You deposit by credit card and then do a charge back so that the money is returned to your cc.

shot at book - breaking rules or playing bad lines on purpose thinking you are going to get paid.

Some guys also try to rake a book over the coals on the forums to extort money.


Thanks Raiders. I am not new to gambling but I am new to forums (maybe 2 years) and bonus's believe it ot not. How do you play bad lines? The line is there and you bet it?
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

1. ur not helping...in fact ur hurting...by slinging mud just bec ur pals at betus say so...but what do i expect from a betus puppet
2. i asked for ur help bec i was niave enuf to think u might help...stupid on my part i know
3. i would of called u if u gave me ur number...bill and justin from SBR are stand up guys who i spoke to on the phone on numberous occassions..and they really listened and discussed this with me like a human being...unlike u who uses vulgarity to get ur point across
4. i charged back with Ultimate bec i had a good reason...and it was only a small amount compared to what i deposited (over 26k)...if i was a dick i coulda charged back much much more...which u would of known if u bothered to talk to me
5. im not going to even discuss bodog bec i have a great realtionship with them and theyre a great book
5. go play with ur grandkids...ur a useless "moderator" anyway...
 
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jakster :

1. Did you have any more charge backs to anyone?
2. You have a better shot with Shrink then SBR.
3. If I were Shrink I'd tell you to F off because of the way you are going about this.
 
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4. i charged back with Ultimate bec

That's about all I need to read. There are a ton of shady sportsbooks out there that people need to be protected from, but anyone who justifies a chargeback to a book (stealing money) deserves any and everything that comes to him.
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

1. ur not helping...in fact ur hurting...by slinging mud just bec ur pals at betus say so...but what do i expect from a betus puppet
2. i asked for ur help bec i was niave enuf to think u might help...stupid on my part i know
3. i would of called u if u gave me ur number...bill and justin from SBR are stand up guys who i spoke to on the phone on numberous occassions..and they really listened and discussed this with me like a human being...unlike u who uses vulgarity to get ur point across
4. i charged back with Ultimate bec i had a good reason...and it was only a small amount compared to what i deposited (over 26k)...if i was a dick i coulda charged back much much more...which u would of known if u bothered to talk to me
5. im not going to even discuss bodog bec i have a great realtionship with them and theyre a great book
5. go play with ur grandkids...ur a useless "moderator" anyway...

Wow. All this from a guy who wants someone, who is not obligated too, to help collect over 18K? I would be much nicer to someone if I thought they were my lifeline between me and 18K.

Looking at this as an outsider, you did not sign up at BETUS through EOG. By all rights Ken and this staff would be well within their rights to not get involved at all. It appears he is trying to help just because he is a "good guy" in the offshore industry. Your actions might be testing his resolve with this matter.

As for SBR, it apprears they are unable to pull any strings with BETUS to get this handled as well. So why Ken, in your opinion, is not a "good guy" like the SBR guys just because he hasnt got this handled yet is beyond me. He is trying to help someone who has a.) not signed up with the book through this website; b.) is being a prick about him helping; and c.) has had chargebacks at associate books.

There are two sides to every story. I have now heard both sides. This situation is not what it what portrayed to be.

I can tell you this. If one of my players beat me out of 18,300 and, in passing, one of the other books I know in town mentioned to me that this same player stiffed him, I would pay the bookie what he was stiffed and then give my client the rest of his package and let him know he is now "squared up" with the other guy. That would be the "right" thing to do. And that sounds like that is what is going to happen.

I want to make it clear I AM NOT defending BETUS. They should have resolved this WEEKS ago. Stalling is just plain unfair and unethical. They need to get on the ball and get this guy payed. He made a bet and won it. He deserves the 18.3K less what he charged back to the associate books.

He should be paid immediately.
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

1. keep up...read above posts
2. doubtful...
3. he basically already did with his foul mouthed posts to me
 

jakster30

EOG Member
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

last time...i am in good standing with everybook, that means i dont owe any book money...u guys keep harping on that betus should pay them off...I dont owe any book any money...Once again Ken did a brilliant job averting ur attention away from the matter at hand, that Betus stiffed me! They booked the bet and now they r not paying the bet...
As for Ken, i dont find him to be a good arbitrator bec he blabs like a little school girl and over exaggerates when in fact he shouldve been quiet untill this was resolved...hes not too professional...meanwhile SBR is quiet and they r going about and doing what they have to do without mud slinging...
if ken really wanted this resolved he would of kept quiet till it is over
i have nothing against Ken as a person...i'm sure hes a wonderful dad and granddad...but the way this was handled was unethical and unprofessional

I truly hope none of u have to go thru this with a book...and everyone gets paid...but for one moment put urself in my shoes and see how u would feel if this happened to u...
 

JC

EOG Veteran
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

All of this other nonsense aside, it's time for BetUS to pay up.

If he owes Ultimate or Bodog, go ahead and pay them out of it. The player claims he once had an issue with Ultimate but owes neither one now. It shouldn't be too difficult to find out.

So what's the hold up? Will this be resolved by Wednesday?

Why is it always the same cast of characters when there are problems like this? What does that tell you?
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

JC,

You know I will do my best to get the RIGHT result accomplished regardless of my feelings towards this gentleman...

jakster,

You have ZERO shot using SBR because no one at BETUS will even talk with them...

If you want personality, I agree, stick with them....

The tape I heard with you on it isn't very flattering and I don't tend to side with people that charge back either...

I could have handled this ordeal better on here and for that I apologize for my part in the clash...

If you need other assistance besides SBR, let me know and I will help you get your money back if you still wish...

Thanks,

THE SHRINK
 
Re: BETUS just screwed me out of 18,300 dollars!

Shrink - You owe this clown nothing. He's treated you like crap through this whole ordeal and scammed someone else. Now the light goes on for him and he realizes that you are the ONLY ONE that can help him and all of a sudden he thanks you.

This Prick should have said at the beginning, "thanks for looking into this". You are under NO obligation to help him since he didn't go through EOG. And you apologizing to him made me want to puke.
 
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