The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Apple

Banned
YTD: 3-5 -1.50 Units



pags11 didn't win week 1 but learned a lot about teams .. Here are his plays for the second week. :+excited-

pags increasing unit size to 1 1/2 unit91023i2ndw;l

All plays for 1.5 units...

Temple +7
Miami FL +23
Penn St. -13
ECU +10
Georgia Tech +7.5
Stanford +14.5

will be adding one more play
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pvcpipe

EOG Master
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Pags puts in his homework and doesn't hesitate to take the numbers he likes after capping the games on sunday and monday. You have to respect that.
 

jefff

EOG Senior Member
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

did he buy points on some of these?

ecu +10?
mia +23?
pennst -13?

i am looking at sportoptions and none of those lines come up as ever being offered.

thanks
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

did he buy points on some of these?

ecu +10?
mia +23?
pennst -13?

i am looking at sportoptions and none of those lines come up as ever being offered.

thanks


These lines were available they opened.. Sometimes the lines move the other way as well.. Happened last week with SMU when he had +3..

He bets the games immediately after the lines come out.. He calls me after the dust settles.
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

posting unavailable lines on a forum like this is meaningless to the players..
 

jefff

EOG Senior Member
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

These lines were available they opened.. Sometimes the lines move the other way as well.. Happened last week with SMU when he had +3..

He bets the games immediately after the lines come out.. He calls me after the dust settles.


which book? CRIS is first with the lines and they had

ECU +9 as the opener
PennSt -14.5 as the opener
Miami +21 as the opener
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Thanks for posting gyno-good luck pags
why bicker about the lines he posted,if you do not like them bet the other way.
Maybe pags is so good vegas lets him look at the opening-lines lets him place his bets -then lets the lines out to the public.
 

jefff

EOG Senior Member
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Thanks for posting gyno-good luck pags
why bicker about the lines he posted,if you do not like them bet the other way.
Maybe pags is so good vegas lets him look at the opening-lines lets him place his bets -then lets the lines out to the public.

you cant just post phantom lines.....

can i have UTEP +28 and Mia OH +17.5?

if someone gets the early line on a team, OkieSt -13.5 for instance, that's cool. You got there early and beat it before it went to -16.5. Good job.
That's how you win at betting.

But posting lines that dont seem to have ever been available anywhere at any time without buying points is complete BS. If gyno or pags can show me which book offered those lines then i'll need to put some money there because the first few books that came out....Greek, CRIS, BetJm....didnt put those lines up that I can tell (at least my lines service history on those games shows me that). But I could be wrong and have been wrong MANY times in the past.

I dont mean to bust balls here but at least be on the up and up when posting lines. It's just the right thing to do
 

jefff

EOG Senior Member
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

bookmaker
'

just looking at PSU...neither sportsoptions nor SBR nor covers shows -13


http://www.covers.com/sports/odds/lineHistory.aspx?eventId=25558&sport=ncf



from sbrlines.com:

Line History:
BookMaker

Game:
Oregon State
vs
Penn State


POINTSPREADS
08/31 07:03PM: +15 -110 / -15 -110
09/01 01:36AM: +15? -110 / -15? -110
09/01 11:46AM: +16? -110 / -16? -110
09/01 04:03PM: +16 -110 / -16 -110
09/01 05:01PM: +16? -110 / -16? -110


attached should be sportsoptions window.

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crisjv9.jpg
 

dillonsdad

EOG Member
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Iam showing on my donbest screen that East Car was +10 for a total of 1 min 28 sec at option sports< your fast "pags11" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

approveme

EOG Addicted
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

I don't know what lines he did get or did not get

but I know for fact ECU was +10 places lot longer than 1min, and I also know those line monitors are not always right on "opening lines" last year I got lines that were not the first listed on sites like sbr


gl pags
 

kidpoker

EOG Enthusiast
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

I understand what people are saying about phantom lines, but Gyno is just posting the plays someone else is making. So coming in here and complaining about it is really not doing anyone any good. He is just trying to help.
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

you cant just post phantom lines.....

can i have UTEP +28 and Mia OH +17.5?

if someone gets the early line on a team, OkieSt -13.5 for instance, that's cool. You got there early and beat it before it went to -16.5. Good job.
That's how you win at betting.

But posting lines that dont seem to have ever been available anywhere at any time without buying points is complete BS. If gyno or pags can show me which book offered those lines then i'll need to put some money there because the first few books that came out....Greek, CRIS, BetJm....didnt put those lines up that I can tell (at least my lines service history on those games shows me that). But I could be wrong and have been wrong MANY times in the past.

I dont mean to bust balls here but at least be on the up and up when posting lines. It's just the right thing to do


FYI,just got my sheet from local bookie

temple +7
miami fl +22
penn st. -17
ecu +9
georgia tech +7
stanford +14.5
dont see a big difference here.
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

bookmaker is the first book to come out with lines every sunday afternoon around 3pm pacific time.. Pags is logged into bookmaker waiting to attack the lines as soon as they come out. He refreshes the screen every 5 secs or so.


Penn St was -13
E.Carolina was +10

I do agree most of the time it isn't fair for someone following pags to get a line that doesn't exist anymore..
 

ballwonder

EOG Master
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Pags best of luck this week, bounce back for ya.
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

All plays for 1.5 units...

Temple +7
Miami FL +23
Penn St. -13
ECU +10
Georgia Tech +7.5
Stanford +14.5

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ADDING:

Nevada +10.5
 

the ape

EOG Addicted
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

gl pags i followed all the lines i could get the number at except psu im on oregon st and 17 points
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

We agree with ECU and Temple but we are going the other way on the Penn St and Stanford games.
 

fivedoorsdown

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

even getting the lines he wanted, he looks to be in for another tough week in college. maybe he'll be alittle better in the nfl
 

MadCapper

Head <in> Moderation
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Gabe,

How long has pags been succesful for?
 

cheapseats

EOG Master
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Pleeez excuse my ignorance, but who, what is pags11....2348ji23e
 

pvcpipe

EOG Master
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

look he's just a nice guy who posts his plays. he's not some tout looking to recruit customers for crying out loud.
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

'

just looking at PSU...neither sportsoptions nor SBR nor covers shows -13


http://www.covers.com/sports/odds/lineHistory.aspx?eventId=25558&sport=ncf



from sbrlines.com:

Line History:
BookMaker

Game:
Oregon State
vs
Penn State


POINTSPREADS
08/31 07:03PM: +15 -110 / -15 -110
09/01 01:36AM: +15? -110 / -15? -110
09/01 11:46AM: +16? -110 / -16? -110
09/01 04:03PM: +16 -110 / -16 -110
09/01 05:01PM: +16? -110 / -16? -110


attached should be sportsoptions window.

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crisjv9.jpg

fwiw, the lines were released slightly more than one hour before 7:03 pm. If they are using eastern standard time, they are more than one hour later than actual openers.

I didnt see -13, but don best showing opener was -13. The first line I saw was -14.5, but I looked a few minutes after lines were released.

Sbr also had several incorrect week 1 opening lines listed at their site and this info about penn state they have listed is also incorrect.

GL this week pags.

:smokesmal
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

even getting the lines he wanted, he looks to be in for another tough week in college. maybe he'll be alittle better in the nfl


He only wagers on college football.. He lives and breathes the stuff, morning noon and night he is studying tape and/or checking box scores..

Season is just getting started pags should heat up..
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Gabe,

How long has pags been succesful for?


As far as I've witnessed since 2005.. Others have claimed to have known about him longer. Going 3-5 the first week while relatively not risking much is nothing to be ashamed about IMO..
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Thanks Gyno and pags you bring alot to the forum91023i2ndw;l

Junk12io4j2w90
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

look he's just a nice guy who posts his plays. he's not some tout looking to recruit customers for crying out loud.


I know this is crazy but I dont think pags would even accept a job as a tout.. pags doesnt need the money he owns his own baseball school, he is well off.
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

fwiw, the lines were released slightly more than one hour before 7:03 pm. If they are using eastern standard time, they are more than one hour later than actual openers.

I didnt see -13, but don best showing opener was -13. The first line I saw was -14.5, but I looked a few minutes after lines were released.

Sbr also had several incorrect week 1 opening lines listed at their site and this info about penn state they have listed is also incorrect.

GL this week pags.

:smokesmal



Yes sir you're right. SBR initially mentioned PSU was -13 then for some reason changed it. Its mentioned over there..

Good to see such a classy gentleman as yourself here sir12io4j2w90 Hope all is well:cheers
 

pags11

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

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Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

even getting the lines he wanted, he looks to be in for another tough week in college. maybe he'll be alittle better in the nfl

I was thinking the same thing. But we'll see how it works out for him. Nice to see Pags actually come into the thread. I hope he does well as it looks like a few people will be tailing.
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

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Hey Pags Fuck those clowns across the street just keep doing what you are doing. We are grateful you are here12io4j2w90
 

jefff

EOG Senior Member
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

my mistake. i'll just leave this thread quietly. good luck
 

pags11

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

simplythebest,

many of my picks don't look good on Tuesday or Wednesday afternoon, but I just care about them looking good on Saturday night...thanks for the well wishes though...

junkman,

thank you very much...

jeff,

thanks for your understanding...I have no reason to lie about the lines I get and appreciate you recognizing that...
 
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

simplythebest,

many of my picks don't look good on Tuesday or Wednesday afternoon, but I just care about them looking good on Saturday night...thanks for the well wishes though...

No worries. Good luck with your plays.
 

Apple

Banned
Re: The Famous "pags11" college football plays week TWO. 9/6

Hey Pags Fuck those clowns across the street just keep doing what you are doing. We are grateful you are here12io4j2w90


Yeah I saw that thread across the street.. Made me realize why they have lost so many good posters..
 
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