Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Timely Hero

Jacoby Blows
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

???

since 1999 the champion had a HOF big man outside of the pistons...6 of the 9 champions in that period had a center as MVP of the finals

Oh I know, but those guys had a great wing man with them.

Kobe
Parker and Ginoboli
Detroit didn't have one.
Pierce and Allen


No Center has won with out a great guard, but a great guard has won with out a great center in the last 20 years. That's all I'm saying.
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

i didnt mean playing style. obviously Kobe is closer when it comes to that. I am saying taking over a game, and if you need to score. Give me Lebron, hes 250 lbs and can get to the rim like nobody else

bron bron doesnt take over the games you need him to take over...kobe wins championships...bron bron chokes...thats why everybody dogged peyton so much...he puts up all this unreal stats but doesnt show up in the big game...hell he didnt even really show up in the superbowl but won the MVP b/c of politics
 

5 star bomb

EOG Master
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Oh I know, but those guys had a great wing man with them.

Kobe
Parker and Ginoboli
Detroit didn't have one.
Pierce and Allen


No Center has won with out a great guard, but a great guard has won with out a great center in the last 20 years. That's all I'm saying.


well said...
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Oh I know, but those guys had a great wing man with them.

Kobe
Parker and Ginoboli
Detroit didn't have one.
Pierce and Allen


No Center has won with out a great guard, but a great guard has won with out a great center in the last 20 years. That's all I'm saying.

well you gotta say it vice versa too then...no great guard has won w/o a big name center
 

5 star bomb

EOG Master
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

bron bron doesnt take over the games you need him to take over...kobe wins championships...bron bron chokes...thats why everybody dogged peyton so much...he puts up all this unreal stats but doesnt show up in the big game...hell he didnt even really show up in the superbowl but won the MVP b/c of politics



Bron took a mediocre team to the Finals... Beat the pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals basically by himself and with his great passing getting people wide open shots
 

Timely Hero

Jacoby Blows
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

It doesn't matter because I changed my mind after what 5 Star said. I can't agree with him.
 

Timely Hero

Jacoby Blows
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Bron took a mediocre team to the Finals... Beat the pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals basically by himself and with his great passing getting people wide open shots

By himself? HE HAD ONE GREAT 4th quarter. Go look at his stats for the rest of the series. He was ABSOLUTELY terrible in the other games of that series. His team defense carried him to the finals. He took over ONE 4th quarter, but outside of that he was TERRIBLE!
 

5 star bomb

EOG Master
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

By himself? HE HAD ONE GREAT 4th quarter. Go look at his stats for the rest of the series. He was ABSOLUTELY terrible in the other games of that series. His team defense carried him to the finals. He took over ONE 4th quarter, but outside of that he was TERRIBLE!


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Seymour

EOG Dedicated
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

I would imagine Howard never wins a ring - he's not the kind of big man you just keep pounding it into in the playoffs like Tim or Shaq are/were - I fully expect the Lebron will take over PLAYOFF games and to win some rings - I'd love to have either one but come on - it's James
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

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a lot of people said that series was his coming out series...not so much IMO
 

5 star bomb

EOG Master
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

I would imagine Howard never wins a ring - he's not the kind of big man you just keep pounding it into in the playoffs like Tim or Shaq are/were - I fully expect the Lebron will take over PLAYOFF games and to win some rings - I'd love to have either one but come on - it's James


yeah no shit, thank you. Cant believe they are even trying to make an argument for Howard
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Ithink some of you are missing the point. The reason great guards or "wingman" have won without great big men is just because of pure #s I can name 30 great players that have played the 2 or the 3 in the last 15 years but how many great big men? IMO you have to start your team with Howard.
 

royboy

EOG Dedicated
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

lbj AVERAGED 30 7 7 last year... that's just insane. and he'll probably do it a couple of more times before he's done. howard is special, i like the guy a lot, but lbj will go down as one of the all time greats.
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Skins knows more about NBA than probably 99% of the guys at EOG....

if you dont believe defense wins championships you should be shot...take howard and take the scorer a tad bit less talented than lebron and win yourself title after title!
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Actually I take that back. Anyone who chooses Howard shouldn't be put to sleep. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I'm generally OK with agreeing to disagree. In regard to this specific question, however, I don't think you can make any argument for Howard. But I apologize for exaggerating the consequences of anyone choosing Howard over LBJ.

- Howard has an offensive game that isn't even mediocre. He's not a player you can throw the ball into and expect to get buckets or even to draw double-teams. The nicest thing you can say about his offensive arsenal is that he can dunk really well. That's it. You can equate his offensive game to that of Tyson Chandler. And you want to build a team around him?

- As great an off-the-ball defender as Howard is, he isn't nearly as good on the ball. And he still struggles to stay out of foul trouble.

- LeBron is a truck with arms. When he decides he wants to get to the rim, there's not much anyone can do about it. And obviously the guy can finish at the basket. Just look back to two years ago in that epic playoff game at Detroit, when he singlehandedly won it for the Cavs. EVERYBODY IN THE BUILDING knew he was going to the basket for the ties/win, including the Pistons defenders, and they STILL couldn't stop him. He essentially told Detroit "Hey, I'm going to do this at this time and you're not going to stop it." And they didn't. That was a miserable night for me personally, but it was unbelievable to watch.

- LeBron is as gifted a passer and facilitator as anyone in the league. He has superior court vision and handles double-teams as well as could be expected.

- LeBron plays pretty good defense. He's long and obviously athletic and late in games he really gets after it.

When you need a basket, when the game is on the line, you CANNOT give the ball to Dwight Howard. He can't score and he's also a horrific FT shooter. The fact that LeBron puts up the offensive #'s that he does without a consistent jumper or above-average FT shooting speaks volumes about how good the rest of his game is.
 

5 star bomb

EOG Master
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Well said Skins.... Great points you just made. he is right most of Howards points come off2nd chance rebounds and dunks. He doesnt have a lot of moves in the post to create his own scoring
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

and when you need a basketb, when the game is on the line, lebron kicks it out like the thousand other times he is put in this situation...

lebron plays good defense...WHEN and IF he wants to

you dont expect your center to score from everywhere on the court...you want him to get positioning, post up, and make the higher percentage shot...
 

Thor4140

EOG Dedicated
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

OK I'm changing my opinion. I can't agree with someone who says this.
:+clueless

Lebron isn't clutch, doesn't make free throws late and can't hit a big jumper with the game on the line.

Mike was the clutchest of all time, made every big free throw and never missed a big jumper.

Jordan was one of the best defensive guards in the history of the league, Lebron only plays defense when he wants to.

I guess I'm failing to see the similarities. He also plays nothing like Michael did.

Kobe is the closest thing to Michael and Wade follows him. Wade has taken over a finals and won it for his team. Kobe has won rings and been incredibly clutch while doing so.

:doh1
:cheers
 
Re: Lebron James or Dwight Howard....

Dwight Howard shoots 60% from the field and almost 66% this season. That's simply incredible.
 
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