mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
theres no debate between the top 2 conferences in america...everybody else can battle for 3...zona just got a great draw this year drawing a 5 seed in utah! i think they wouldve got waxed by purdue...fsu matches up a lot better and wouldve won...and a healthy ill wouldve beat them too
theres no debate between the top 2 conferences in america...everybody else can battle for 3...zona just got a great draw this year drawing a 5 seed in utah! i think they wouldve got waxed by purdue...fsu matches up a lot better and wouldve won...and a healthy ill wouldve beat them too
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
big east and acc
and yes i do think they would win...purdue would be DD but the others wouldnt be "waxed" but close games...they just match up a lot better IMO...fsu drew a well experienced tourney coach in ryan on a neutral court and couldve arguably won the game...ill lost to a solid w ky team who has proven they are a good tourney team as well w/ their best defender on the bench w/ a bum wrist
big east and acc
and yes i do think they would win...purdue would be DD but the others wouldnt be "waxed" but close games...they just match up a lot better IMO...fsu drew a well experienced tourney coach in ryan on a neutral court and couldve arguably won the game...ill lost to a solid w ky team who has proven they are a good tourney team as well w/ their best defender on the bench w/ a bum wrist
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
but quebb....cmon my friend. all that matters is what happens on the court. you are talking after the fact. the bottom line is, zona destroyed utah, a 5 seed. w, ky, a 12, beat ill. period. no excuses. ill is not as good as zona and we know that cause zona is still in the tourney and ill is out. same thing with fsu. fsu is out. zona is still in. wisky is not good and fsu lost to them. so i just don't get ur logic at all.
but quebb....cmon my friend. all that matters is what happens on the court. you are talking after the fact. the bottom line is, zona destroyed utah, a 5 seed. w, ky, a 12, beat ill. period. no excuses. ill is not as good as zona and we know that cause zona is still in the tourney and ill is out. same thing with fsu. fsu is out. zona is still in. wisky is not good and fsu lost to them. so i just don't get ur logic at all.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
I don't care if Wisconsin or Arizona win this weekend, they didn't deserve to be in the field. St Mary's was better than 8-10 of the at-large teams.
I don't care if Wisconsin or Arizona win this weekend, they didn't deserve to be in the field. St Mary's was better than 8-10 of the at-large teams.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
Illinois is much better than Arizona. Frazier is a big cog for Illinois who was out. Just because Cleveland St beat WF doesn't mean they are better than them. WF wins that game 4-out-of 5 times, just not last night.
Illinois is much better than Arizona. Frazier is a big cog for Illinois who was out. Just because Cleveland St beat WF doesn't mean they are better than them. WF wins that game 4-out-of 5 times, just not last night.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
All I know is St Mary's lost two games with their starting lineup intact. St Mary's would have loved to play Arizona this year. Who is giving them a game this year? No one.
I don't really care who Arizona beat in November/December. Pretty obvious they were a worse team at the end of the year.
All I know is St Mary's lost two games with their starting lineup intact. St Mary's would have loved to play Arizona this year. Who is giving them a game this year? No one.
I don't really care who Arizona beat in November/December. Pretty obvious they were a worse team at the end of the year.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
true...we both have our points...but all the talk before, during, and after the zona game was why is utah a 5 seed?! if the majority of 6's and 7's drew that 5 seed they most likely wouldve sent zona home early as well (i dont think utah is better than any of them)...buuut zona is still in while fsu and ill are out and thats all that matters when its all said and done...
you cant say zona is better than ill if one is already knocked out though b/c they never played each other...just b/c a team gets upset by another (hell ill was like a 9 pt fav right?) doesnt mean they are worse than a random team that is still in...
true...we both have our points...but all the talk before, during, and after the zona game was why is utah a 5 seed?! if the majority of 6's and 7's drew that 5 seed they most likely wouldve sent zona home early as well (i dont think utah is better than any of them)...buuut zona is still in while fsu and ill are out and thats all that matters when its all said and done...
you cant say zona is better than ill if one is already knocked out though b/c they never played each other...just b/c a team gets upset by another (hell ill was like a 9 pt fav right?) doesnt mean they are worse than a random team that is still in...
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
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</td> <td class="row-text">Corvallis, Ore.</td> <td class="row-text">W, 56-53</td> </tr> <tr id="972597" title="2009,1,07,15,30,00" class="event-listing" valign="top" bgcolor="#f1f1f1"> <td class="row-text">02/07/09</td> <td class="row-text">at Oregon
</td> <td class="row-text">Eugene, Ore.</td> <td class="row-text">W, 87-77</td> </tr> <tr id="972604" title="2009,1,12,22,30,00" class="event-listing" valign="top" bgcolor="#d1d1d1"> <td class="row-text">02/12/09</td> <td class="row-text">vs. USC
</td> <td class="row-text">Tucson, Ariz.</td> <td class="row-text">W, 83-76</td> </tr> <tr id="972622" title="2009,1,14,13,00,00" class="" valign="top" bgcolor="#d1d1d1"> <td class="row-text">02/14/09</td> <td class="row-text">vs. UCLA
</td> <td class="row-text">Tucson, Ariz.</td> <td class="row-text">W, 84-72</td> </tr> <tr id="972632" title="2009,1,22,22,00,00" class="" valign="top" bgcolor="#f1f1f1"> <td class="row-text">02/22/09</td> <td class="row-text">at Arizona State
</td> <td class="row-text">Tempe, Ariz.</td> <td class="row-text">L, 70-68</td> </tr> <tr id="972641" title="2009,1,26,21,00,00" class="" valign="top" bgcolor="#f1f1f1"> <td class="row-text">02/26/09</td> <td class="row-text">at Washington State
</td> <td class="row-text">Pullman, Wash.</td> <td class="row-text">L, 69-53</td> </tr> <tr id="972646" title="2009,1,28,15,00,00" class="" valign="top" bgcolor="#f1f1f1"> <td class="row-text">02/28/09</td> <td class="row-text">at Washington
</td> <td class="row-text">Seattle, Wash.</td> <td class="row-text">L, 83-78</td> </tr> <tr id="972650" title="2009,2,05,22,30,00" class="" valign="top" bgcolor="#d1d1d1"> <td class="row-text">03/05/09</td> <td class="row-text">vs. California
</td> <td class="row-text">Tucson, Ariz.</td> <td class="row-text">L, 83-77</td> </tr> <tr id="972654" title="2009,2,07,19,30,00" class="" valign="top" bgcolor="#d1d1d1"> <td class="row-text">03/07/09</td> <td class="row-text">vs. Stanford
</td> <td class="row-text">Tucson, Ariz.</td> <td class="row-text">W, 101-87</td></tr></tbody></table>Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
7 of their 9 conference losses by teams .500 or better. Basically got rewarded by sweeping the Oregon teams. Nice.
7 of their 9 conference losses by teams .500 or better. Basically got rewarded by sweeping the Oregon teams. Nice.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
ill stunk...but fwiw they are 100 times better w/ frazier in the lineup
ill stunk...but fwiw they are 100 times better w/ frazier in the lineup
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
again true when discussing whether or not they are still in the tourney...but when simply comparing which team is better (ill or zona) id have to say a healthy ill team would be better than a healthy zona team regardless of where either is in the tourney right now
again true when discussing whether or not they are still in the tourney...but when simply comparing which team is better (ill or zona) id have to say a healthy ill team would be better than a healthy zona team regardless of where either is in the tourney right now
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
Illinois is not much better than Arizona.
Illinois is not much better than Arizona.
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
They also beat PAC-10 Champ Washington.
They also beat PAC-10 Champ Washington.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
And you are forgetting they lost to 9th place Stanford and UAB.
Thats OK, Notre Dame beat Texas and Louisville, and didn't deserve to make the tourney either. The Irish schedule was tougher than Arizona's too.
And you are forgetting they lost to 9th place Stanford and UAB.
Thats OK, Notre Dame beat Texas and Louisville, and didn't deserve to make the tourney either. The Irish schedule was tougher than Arizona's too.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
this may have been said, but what does winning a game have to do with them belonging? their resume proved they did not belong, and that holds true whether they lose in the first round or even if they make the final four.
not belonging, and having the talent to win a few games are two very different things.
they were also lucky enough to get maybe the weakest 5 seed i have ever seen
this may have been said, but what does winning a game have to do with them belonging? their resume proved they did not belong, and that holds true whether they lose in the first round or even if they make the final four.
not belonging, and having the talent to win a few games are two very different things.
they were also lucky enough to get maybe the weakest 5 seed i have ever seen
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
I hope your kidding. The Big Ten was the deepest conference in college basketball this year. If you want to try and argue that, you'd be wrong. Illinois was a very good team this year, and they lost their floor general and it cost them.
Arizona is there on name recognition. Just because they got in and won a game doesn't mean they should have gotten there. If ND got in and won a game, would that have meant they deserved to be there? No. It would mean they were always capable of playing well, but their inconsistency should have cost them a bid; like it did to teams like ND.
By the way the Pac-10 is not a strong conference. They are playing well in the tournament, but they'll be exposed in the second round like they are being.
The Big East is just UNREAL!
I hope your kidding. The Big Ten was the deepest conference in college basketball this year. If you want to try and argue that, you'd be wrong. Illinois was a very good team this year, and they lost their floor general and it cost them.
Arizona is there on name recognition. Just because they got in and won a game doesn't mean they should have gotten there. If ND got in and won a game, would that have meant they deserved to be there? No. It would mean they were always capable of playing well, but their inconsistency should have cost them a bid; like it did to teams like ND.
By the way the Pac-10 is not a strong conference. They are playing well in the tournament, but they'll be exposed in the second round like they are being.
The Big East is just UNREAL!
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
Deepest conference as in what? Deepest for what, shit teams? You're seriously going to tell me the Big-10 is deeper than the Big East? Come on now, this is getting ridiculous.
Deepest conference as in what? Deepest for what, shit teams? You're seriously going to tell me the Big-10 is deeper than the Big East? Come on now, this is getting ridiculous.
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
Exactly. It's having a shit year in hoops as it did football. It happens sometimes but doesn't mean it won't be back next year or the year after.
I'm a PAC-10 guy myself but I won't come on here and pretend the PAC-10 is great or anything. It's just the way it is.
Exactly. It's having a shit year in hoops as it did football. It happens sometimes but doesn't mean it won't be back next year or the year after.
I'm a PAC-10 guy myself but I won't come on here and pretend the PAC-10 is great or anything. It's just the way it is.
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
The Big Ten is much deeper than the Big East.
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">St. Johns (N.Y.)</td><td align="center">6-12</td><td align="center">16-18</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">South Florida</td><td align="center">4-14</td><td align="center">9-22</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">Rutgers</td><td align="center">2-16</td><td align="center">11-21</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">DePaul</td><td align="center">0-18</td><td align="center">9-24</td></tr></tbody></table>
That's the bottom of the Big East.
Outside of Indiana and Iowa the Big Ten was a very tough conference this year. They got nearly 70% of their conference in the tournament, and although you could argue that Wisconsin didn't belong, you could also argue that PSU did.
The Big Ten was the deepest and most balanced conference in college basketball this year.
The Big East was easily the best conference.
You know what is ridiculous? You saying that OSU didn't deserve an AT-Large bid. HAHAHAHAHA!
The Big Ten is much deeper than the Big East.
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">St. Johns (N.Y.)</td><td align="center">6-12</td><td align="center">16-18</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">South Florida</td><td align="center">4-14</td><td align="center">9-22</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">Rutgers</td><td align="center">2-16</td><td align="center">11-21</td></tr><tr class="bg2" valign="middle" align="right" height="17"><td align="left">DePaul</td><td align="center">0-18</td><td align="center">9-24</td></tr></tbody></table>
That's the bottom of the Big East.
Outside of Indiana and Iowa the Big Ten was a very tough conference this year. They got nearly 70% of their conference in the tournament, and although you could argue that Wisconsin didn't belong, you could also argue that PSU did.
The Big Ten was the deepest and most balanced conference in college basketball this year.
The Big East was easily the best conference.
You know what is ridiculous? You saying that OSU didn't deserve an AT-Large bid. HAHAHAHAHA!
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
I'm a Big East fan when it comes to college basketball. I like Marquette and UNC basketball, and have my whole life. This is not football, and PSU doesn't have much a basketball program to root for.
I am more of a MVC fan than I am a Big Ten basketball fan.
I am just stating what the numbers back. The Big Ten barely lost to the ACC in the Big Ten vs. ACC challenge. They had a very good non-conference record and they were very tough all year. They were the deepest conference top to bottom.
I'm a Big East fan when it comes to college basketball. I like Marquette and UNC basketball, and have my whole life. This is not football, and PSU doesn't have much a basketball program to root for.
I am more of a MVC fan than I am a Big Ten basketball fan.
I am just stating what the numbers back. The Big Ten barely lost to the ACC in the Big Ten vs. ACC challenge. They had a very good non-conference record and they were very tough all year. They were the deepest conference top to bottom.
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
You know what's funny? Showing everyone the bottom 4 of a 16-team conference but not mentioning there's only 11 in the Big 10? There's a big difference there but oh well you can spin the numbers any way you'd like. You can try to convince yourself all you'd like that the Big 10 is a good basketball conference this year but the best in the Big 10 goes up against the best in the ACC and they get beat by 40 so go figure and if I'm not mistaken wasn't that even a home game for MSU? Yep, the Big 10 definately can hang can't they?
Please tell me how OSU deserved the bid over St. Mary's? I think St. Mary's got screwed by a bunch of teams to include Arizona, Wisconsin and Ohio St but oh well, what's done is done.
You know what's funny? Showing everyone the bottom 4 of a 16-team conference but not mentioning there's only 11 in the Big 10? There's a big difference there but oh well you can spin the numbers any way you'd like. You can try to convince yourself all you'd like that the Big 10 is a good basketball conference this year but the best in the Big 10 goes up against the best in the ACC and they get beat by 40 so go figure and if I'm not mistaken wasn't that even a home game for MSU? Yep, the Big 10 definately can hang can't they?
Please tell me how OSU deserved the bid over St. Mary's? I think St. Mary's got screwed by a bunch of teams to include Arizona, Wisconsin and Ohio St but oh well, what's done is done.
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
They were so good UNC beat them by 40+ in Detroit. Good god. If you can't see that MSU isn't on the same level as the elite NCAA basketball teams then you should watch another sport.
They were so good UNC beat them by 40+ in Detroit. Good god. If you can't see that MSU isn't on the same level as the elite NCAA basketball teams then you should watch another sport.
Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
k, i'll bump when they both out 2nd round
k, i'll bump when they both out 2nd round
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Re: mo - you still think zona doesn't belong in the field of 64?
OSU deserved the bid over Minnesota. How can you argue that OSU didn't deserve a bid. I don't understand how someone can even argue this. They weren't even on the BUBBBLE! They were a frickin' 8 seed.
And 4 of the 16 teams in the Big East were horrible and couldn't beat anyone. 2 of 11 teams in the Big Ten were horrible, while everyone else was nearly .500 and formidable. That's 25% of one conference and 18% for the other. You tell me which conference is deeper. I'll be waiting.
OSU deserved the bid over Minnesota. How can you argue that OSU didn't deserve a bid. I don't understand how someone can even argue this. They weren't even on the BUBBBLE! They were a frickin' 8 seed.
And 4 of the 16 teams in the Big East were horrible and couldn't beat anyone. 2 of 11 teams in the Big Ten were horrible, while everyone else was nearly .500 and formidable. That's 25% of one conference and 18% for the other. You tell me which conference is deeper. I'll be waiting.