Ron Paul with the Young Turks

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As for the Shah in Iran, the CIA was right in trying to prevent a coup -- look at the fascists we have to deal with in Tehran right now.

The CIA didn't succeed, rather failed, largely because Democrats -- from JFK to LBJ to Jimmy Carter -- are notorious screw ups on FP....but we were right to try.

Because...

The Islamic Revolution and the preachings of Ayatollah Khomeini were rooted in the same anti-American, anti-western oppressive Taliban-like Sayyid Qutb philosophy I outlined earlier.

Once again, Ron Paul and his crazy "blame America" ignoramuses are intellectually dishonest when they claim we were the "root cause" of the Islamic Revolution....inferring the big bad CIA just randomly goes around stirring up trouble and picking fights and that without all this unnecessary meddling everything would be peaches and cream.

As if all these crazy-ass fascist or communist movements wouldn't exist if we just stayed home and "minded our own business" as Dr. Paul always pontificates.

I mean, c'mon, do you people actually believe this idiocy? :doh1

Answer: if you're a pacifist and spend your time trying to wish evil away -- like Ron Paul -- of course you do!

It is precisely this type of Kumbaya ignorance that led to 9/11.

And where are all those "blowback" jihadists we created by invading Iraq and Afghanistan, huh? Shouldn't they be recruiting jihadists by the tens of thousands and suicide bombing an American mall every week?

What patent theoretical nonsense.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Umm tank...



I repeat:

"BIN LADEN IS NOT AN AFGHAN AND THE UNITED STATES DID NOT GIVE BIN LADEN OR ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF AL-QAIDA STINGER MISSILES OR OTHER MILITARY EQUIPMENT."

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According to Michael Scheuer, head of the CIA?s first bin Laden unit, from 1980 to 1989 about $600 million is passed through bin Laden?s charity fronts. Most of it goes through the charity front Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK), also known as Al-Kifah.


Was they using this money to buy Korans so they would hate our freedoms?:LMAO
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Ron Paul with the Young Turks

As for the Shah in Iran, the CIA was right in trying to prevent a coup -- look at the fascists we have to deal with in Tehran right now.

The CIA didn't succeed, rather failed, largely because Democrats -- from JFK to LBJ to Jimmy Carter -- are notorious screw ups on FP....but we were right to try.

Because...

The Islamic Revolution and the preachings of Ayatollah Khomeini were rooted in the same anti-American, anti-western oppressive Taliban-like Sayyid Qutb philosophy I outlined earlier.

Once again, Ron Paul and his crazy "blame America" ignoramuses are intellectually dishonest when they claim we were the "root cause" of the Islamic Revolution....inferring the big bad CIA just randomly goes around stirring up trouble and picking fights and that without this intervention everything would be peaches and cream.

As if all these crazy-ass fascist or communist movements wouldn't exist if we just stayed home and minded our own business.

I mean, c'mon, do you people actually believe this nonsense? :doh1

Answer: if you're a pacifist and spend your time trying to wish evil away, of course you do!

It is precisely this type of Kumbaya ignorance that led to 9/11.

And where are all those "blowback" jihadists we created by invading Iraq and Afghanistan, huh? Shouldn't they be recruiting jihadists by the tens of thousands and suicide bombing an American mall every week?

What patent theoretical nonsense.

They don't have to come to our malls because we are over there duh!!The Cia was the ones that put the shah in power and thats why the radical muslims overthrew him not the other way around.Thats BLOWBACK!!What part of this don't you understand?????
 
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According to Michael Scheuer, head of the CIA’s first bin Laden unit, from 1980 to 1989 about $600 million is passed through bin Laden’s charity fronts. Most of it goes through the charity front Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK), also known as Al-Kifah.


Was they using this money to buy Korans so they would hate our freedoms?:LMAO

MAK maintained a close liaison with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency through which the CIA funneled money to Afghan mujaheddin although the CIA did not fund MAK or foreign volunteer mujahideen in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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MAK maintained a close liaison with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency through which the CIA funneled money to Afghan mujaheddin although the CIA did not fund MAK or foreign volunteer mujahideen in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat

Sure just like we never gave them over 3 billion in arm's and aid too right?Back in the early 90's it was known that we supported Osama but after 9-11 you could not find anyone in the CIA that had ever heard of him.:LMAOWe created that monster and after the BLOWBACK NO ONE WANTED TO ADMIT TO IT.
 
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So it would have been better to let the expansionist Soviet empire steamroll over one country after another, for fear that one or two rogue fighters might become a sworn enemy 20-30 years down the road?

You can't be serious, can you tank? :clubbed

You think the wealthy Saudi multi-millionaire would not have surfaced without the Afghan war?

We were right to help liberate the Afghans from an occupying power (Reagan).

We just neglected to follow through and help the Afghans rebuild and fight off another foreign occupying power that filled the vacuum after the Soviets were defeated: Taliban and al-Qaida (Clinton).

Another reminder why Democrats cannot be trusted with national security.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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So it would have been better to let the expansionist Soviet empire steamroll over one country after another, for fear that one or two rogue fighters might become a sworn enemy 20-30 years down the road?

You can't be serious, can you tank? :clubbed


We were right to help liberate the Afghans from an occupying power (Reagan).

We just neglected to follow through and help the Afghans rebuild and fight off another foreign power that filled the vacuum after the Soviets were defeated: Taliban and al-Qaida (Clinton).

Another reminder why Democrats cannot be trusted with national security.

Joe, Joe , Joe???Afghanistan was already communist and occupied by the soviets with a commie puppet in place.Our CIA was the ones that started that dirty little war. Just like when we supplied Saddam against Iran. Thats BLOWBACK JOE.
 
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Joe, Joe , Joe???Afghanistan was already communist and occupied by the soviets with a commie puppet in place.Our CIA was the ones that started that dirty little war. Just like when we supplied Saddam against Iran. Thats BLOWBACK JOE.

Yeah, "blowback" that took twenty years to materialize.

Sorry tank, vengeance is usually a little more responsive. If it takes 20 years (with all the events and variables that come into play), it's a crackpot theory.

I thought bin Laden was mad about US troops on Saudi "holy land" (which btw would still would be there "containing" Saddam if not for a change in US policy)? So how does that compute with your "blowback" theory? Or was it Exxon stealing Arab oil? Or was it the fact we liberated a Muslim country (Kuwait) a decade earlier? :+clueless

Geez, so many "grievances"....

Bin Laden is a opportunistic bullshit artist, tank.

Bin Laden had no more moral governing authority to speak for any Muslim "grievances" than you or I.

Al-Qaida used the Afghan people as pawns in order to advance their political goals -- just as the fascists in Tehran use the Palestinian-Israeli conflict to strengthen their hegemony in the same region.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Yeah, "blowback" that took twenty years to materialize.

Sorry tank, vengeance is usually a little more responsive. If it takes 20 years (with all the events and variables that come into play), it's a crackpot theory.

I thought bin Laden was mad about US troops on Saudi "holy land" (which btw would still would be there "containing" Saddam if not for a change in US policy)? So how does that compute with your "blowback" theory? Or was it Exxon stealing Arab oil? Or was it the fact we liberated a Muslim country (Kuwait) a decade earlier? :+clueless

Geez, so many "grievances"....

Bin Laden is a opportunistic bullshit artist, tank.

Bin Laden had no more moral governing authority to speak for any Muslim "grievances" than you or I.

Al-Qaida used the Afghan people as pawns in order to advance their political goals -- just as the fascists in Tehran use the Palestinian-Israeli conflict to strengthen their hegemony in the same region.

Yes they all think they have a reason or excuse to payback the U.S. Thats why i liked Ron Paul's foreign policy, close down half the bases around the world that we don't need, quit sending aid to countries that hate us and quit getting into wars with no clear objective or gain for the better of the country.Everyone wanted us to go into afghanistan and take care of the monsters behind 9-11 but by going into Iraq that just created more blow back down the road and another mess we are going to have to deal with in the years to come.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Bin Laden is a opportunistic bullshit artist, tank.

Bin Laden had no more moral governing authority to speak for any Muslim "grievances" than you or I.

That's the whole thing about blow back.Since we are in Iraq the uneducated muslims in pakistan , afghanistan and india are easily enticed with osamas bullshit speeches about us taking over their countries and they are buying into this because we are there.They know why we are in afghanistan but when we went into iraq it made a great recruiting tool for bin laden and he knows how to use it.
 
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Is Contrarian a Canadian?
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MARK L: Some trolls think so,


Manny: Do ya want me to repost the link to your early RxForum threads where you proudly and loudly proclaimed yourself to be Canadian?
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by tank
Is Contrarian a Canadian?
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MARK L: Some trolls think so,


Manny: Do ya want me to repost the link to your early RxForum threads where you proudly and loudly proclaimed yourself to be Canadian?

You have got to be shitting me,he really is from canada ?
 
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That's the whole thing about blow back.

Yeah, it pops up whenever it's politically expedient -- even twenty years down the road if necessary.

Since we are in Iraq the uneducated muslims in pakistan , afghanistan and india are easily enticed with osamas bullshit speeches about us taking over their countries and they are buying into this because we are there. They know why we are in afghanistan but when we went into iraq it made a great recruiting tool for bin laden and he knows how to use it.

Except the IRAQIS and AFGHANS don't believe that horseshit, do they?

They know better because they have LIVED tyranny and understand TYRANNY...and the United States military is NOT tyrannical.

Have you ever read a bin Laden rant?

He bitches about every "grievance" on the planet, followed by a call to Americans to submit to Islam -- Allah the almighty. (Gee, there's a surprise!

So if we listened to Ron Paul, we would conduct our foreign policy according to what some camel herder terrorist had to say?

Is he serious? Are YOU serious? 2938u4ji23

By who's authority does bin laden speak?

Palestinians? Iraqis? Saudis? Egyptians?

And how the hell would anyone negotiate with him? By what authority?

Unreal. :doh1
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Please don't quote disruptive coke-sniffing trolls I already have blocked who bring NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE to the table.

Thank you.

So when your busted on your non sense this is the tactic you use?It makes sense now with you bing a canadian and all and i don't expect you to understand the concept.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Yeah, it pops up whenever it's politically expedient -- even twenty years down the road if necessary.



Except the IRAQIS and AFGHANS don't believe that horseshit, do they?

They know better because they have LIVED tyranny and understand TYRANNY...and the United States military is NOT tyrannical.

Have you ever read a bin Laden rant?

He bitches about every "grievance" on the planet, followed by a call to Americans to submit to Islam -- Allah the almighty. (Gee, there's a surprise!

So if we listened to Ron Paul, we would conduct our foreign policy according to what some camel herder terrorist had to say?

Is he serious? Are YOU serious? 2938u4ji23

By who's authority does bin laden speak?

Palestinians? Iraqis? Saudis? Egyptians?

And how the hell would anyone negotiate with him? By what authority?

Unreal. :doh1

You have not listened to a thing i have said.It all starts with the best intrest's of the AMERICAN people and that's a concept you will never understand since you sit on the sidelines up north with the rest of the ckickenhawks.
 
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You have not listened to a thing i have said.It all starts with the best intrest's of the AMERICAN people...

Right.

And the best interest of the American people is to confront belligerent tyrants, terrorists and pirates who make direct threats and/or threaten our interests and trading partners.

The more trade we engage in, the more money we'll have to invest in our military to protect those assets -- IF we don't want the world to plunge into anarchy like it did in WW I and WWII.

Common sense you 1960s head-up-your-ass "anti war" peace freaks will never seem to grasp.

Your "blowback" theory is nuts.

:doh1
 
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Don't have the original link anymore, but this is a good read:
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Ron Paul Continues Blaming America


It's all over now, but down in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida , located in the very liberal Broward County (and where I grew up), the Value Voters Debate was held. None of the so-called Front Tier candidates showed up, but the rest did, including Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul.

As we all have come to expect, Paul blames America's Foreign Policy for terrorism, eliciting the reply from Hunter of, "Don't blame America first!"

Listening to Paul lay the blame for terrorist attacks on our Foreign Policies got me to thinking and led me to recall when I was in Germany during the 1972 Olympics Massacre of the Israeli Team. So, I dug a little more and found what is very interesting in regards to America's Foreign Policy causing Terrorist acts.

If we really are to blame, as Paul keeps saying, maybe he could explain the following;
Munich Olympic Massacre, Sept. 5, 1972: Eight Palestinian "Black September" terrorists seized Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany.

Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976: Members of the Baader-Meinhof Group and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized an Air France airliner and its 258 passengers. They forced the airplane to land in Uganda, where on July 3 Israeli commandos successfully rescued the passengers.

Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov. 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded.

Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct. 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir WalHajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept. 14, 1982: Premier Bashir Gemayel was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party's Beirut headquarters.

TWA Hijacking, June 14, 1985: A Trans World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hezbollah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, during which one American hostage, a US Navy sailor, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.

Soviet Diplomats Kidnapped, Sept. 30, 1985: In Beirut, Lebanon, Sunni terrorists kidnapped four Soviet diplomats. One was killed, and three were later released.

Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov. 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several US citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal group.

Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens Airport, killing four US citizens.

Bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17, 1992: Hezbollah claimed responsibility for a blast that leveled the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, causing the deaths of 29 and wounding 242.

Air France Hijacking, Dec. 24, 1994: Members of the Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) seized an Air France flight. The four terrorists were killed during the rescue effort.

Jerusalem Bus Attack, Aug. 21, 1995: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several US citizens.

Hamas Bus Attack, Feb. 26, 1996: In Jerusalem, a suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three US citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens.

Dizengoff Center Bombing, March 4, 1996: Hamas and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including two US citizens.

Bombing of Archbishop of Oran, Aug. 1, 1996: A bomb exploded at the home of the French archbishop of Oran, killing him and his chauffeur. The attack occurred after the archbishop's meeting with the French foreign minister. The Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) is suspected.

PUK Kidnapping, Sept. 13, 1996: In Iraq, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) militants kidnapped four French workers for Pharmaciens Sans Frontieres, a Canadian United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) official, and two Iraqis.

Paris Subway Explosion, Dec. 3, 1996: A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train as it arrived at the Port Royal station, killing two French nationals, a Moroccan, and a Canadian and injuring 86 persons. Among those injured were one US citizen and a Canadian. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are suspected.

Egyptian Letter Bombs, Jan. 2-13, 1997: A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at AlHayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, D.C., New York City, London, and Riyadh. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kan. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the AlHayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept. 4, 1997: Three suicide bombers of Hamas detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual US-Israeli citizen was among the dead, and seven US citizens were wounded.

Tourist Killings in Egypt, Nov. 17, 1997: AlGama'at alIslamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor.

Somali Hostage takings, April 15, 1998: Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu. The hostages included a US citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a subclan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital.

Greek Embassy Seizure, Feb. 16, 1999: Kurdish protesters stormed and occupied the Greek Embassy in Vienna, taking the Greek ambassador and six other persons hostage. Several hours later the protesters released the hostages and left the embassy. The attack followed the Turkish government's announcement of the successful capture of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Ocalan. Kurds also occupied Kenyan, Israeli, and other Greek diplomatic facilities in France, Holland, Switzerland, Britain, and Germany over the following days.

Manila Bombing, Dec. 30, 2000: A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the US Embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible.

Bus Stop Bombing, April 22, 2001: A member of Hamas detonated a bomb he was carrying near a bus stop in Kfar Siva, Israel, killing one person and injuring 60.

Tel Aviv Nightclub Bombing, June 1, 2001: Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing of a popular Israeli nightclub that caused over 140 casualties.

Hamas Restaurant Bombing, Aug. 9, 2001: A Hamas-planted bomb detonated in a Jerusalem pizza restaurant, killing 15 people and wounding more than 90.​
Although some US Citizens were caught up in these attacks, none were against American Interests. Some of the countries attacked were directly opposed to America's Foreign Policy.

The question to Dr. Paul is, how does America's Foreign Policy cause terrorist attacks in countries that oppose America's Foreign Policy?
 
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves."

Osama Bin Laden, Esquire, Feb. 1999.


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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves."

Osama Bin Laden, Esquire, Feb. 1999.
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And just WHO is bin Laden defending and represent? :doh1
 
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Bin Laden also says this:

1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam. (a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it.

You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.

(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?

(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

Straight out of the Qutb playbook.

Should we listen to them? :+clueless
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves."

Osama Bin Laden, Esquire, Feb. 1999.


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This is a concept that a canadian would never understand since they are just the neo -cons chickenhawk cheerleaders.
 
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Again you have no clue if your asking that question.

Answer the question.

Or do you not have a coherent answer (as I suspect)?

Who does bin Laden represent?

And I suppose Jefferson was also a "warmonger" when he used his powers as CIC to deploy forces against the Barbary Pirates without first consulting Congress?

:+clueless
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Answer the question.

Or do you not have a coherent answer (as I suspect)?

Who does bin Laden represent?

And I suppose Jefferson was also a "warmonger" when he used his powers as CIC to deploy forces against the Barbary Pirates without first consulting Congress?

:+clueless
I wouldn't expect a canadian to understand but tell me,when jefferson deployed force against the pirates was america's best interest at hand?Thank You now get on that walleye watch.
 
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but tell me,when jefferson deployed force against the pirates was america's best interest at hand?

Yes, just as Iraq was.

The status-quo of babysitting ("containing") Saddam in the Persian gulf with thousands upon thousands of US troops inside the Saudi Arabian border (btw, wasn't that one of bin Laden's "grievances? :+clueless) with no end in sight was no longer in America's interest in a post-9/11 world.

Saddam and his psychopathic sons had to go, period end of issue.

Now that's a REAL "exit strategy."
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
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Yes, just as Iraq was.

The status-quo of babysitting ("containing") Saddam in the Persian gulf with thousands upon thousands of US troops inside the Saudi Arabian border (btw, wasn't that one of bin Laden's "grievances? :+clueless) with no end in sight was no longer in America's interest in a post-9/11 world.

Saddam and his psychopathic sons had to go, period end of issue.

Now that's a REAL "exit strategy."

Do you always talk in circles? I thought we took saddam out because of wmd or was it because ''he tried to kill my daddy''?You know what we gained by taking saddam out? We kept iraqi oil being traded by the dollar.Other than that what did we gain out of it besides saddam being a bad boy?Using your theory then why don't we go after all the bad dictators over in africa who make saddam look like a boy scout?
 
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