The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

By Mikiel de Bary

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A brute inflationary monetary policy of the kind we are experiencing today can hardly avoid leading to a growth in GDP that, after all, is largely a record of consumer spending. But we cannot judge an economic policy to be "working" simply by detecting such an increase in GDP. Nor may we say policy has "succeeded" just from increases in government jobs or government-subsidized jobs. An economy's success, properly speaking, is one that increases long-term levels of production with robust private sector employment. In short, inflation and public sector growth do not mean a policy has "worked." As the essence of Obamanomics is easy money and government aggrandizement, there are lots of reasons for pessimism. Here are ten of them

10. The Obama economic team really does not know how we got into this mess. For example, Christina Romer, chair of the Council of Economic Advisors, claims that the "fundamental cause" of the current economic downturn is the decline in asset prices from the levels reached in 2006 and 2007, i.e., from the peak of arguably the biggest and broadest asset bubble in history. In other words, she believes that the retreat from absurd valuations is giving us problems.

9. Obama himself follows the scapegoating line initiated by Bush. He blames both the general asset bubble and its collapse on insufficiently regulated companies, rather than on fiat money and central banking -- the sacred institutions of the failed macroeconomic establishment -- which financed every aspect of the Great Bubble.

8. Larry Summers and Ben Bernanke consider credit and liquidity to be the "lifeblood" of the economy. So they will supply untold quantities of it to somehow "restart" financial markets. They are unaware that economic freedom -- let's call it the "oxygen" of the economy -- makes possible credit, liquidity, and financial markets.

7. The Administration tries to meddle with private contracts -- see its attempts to pre-empt the bankruptcy courts and undercut the functions of mortgage foreclosure clauses. For a few cosmetic results, it chills confidence in all future investments.

6. The federal government burdens what is now left of free markets by raising its own spending and borrowing and, of course, by planning to increase taxes and regulation.

5. Government creates a new welfare system for union members when it preserves zombie auto companies in order to save "jobs." It creates a sham "financial system" when it bails out "systemically important" banks and insurance companies -- those that are too embarrassing to fail.

4. The Administration's efforts to manipulate prices upward (as in the markets for residences and "toxic" securities) are irrelevant, at best, and are more likely to delay a return to normal functioning in those markets.

3. President Obama apparently believes that increasing taxes on some of us and then redistributing the money to favored groups and promoters somehow "stimulates" the economy. Who besides macroeconomists (and their former students) believes this?

2. The Federal Reserve Board has transformed itself into an obedient appendage of the Executive Branch of government. Few seem aware that it is managing our monetary system more recklessly than ever in its history. The historic quattuordecupling of bank reserves in the last six months (that's a multiplication by 14) sets the stage for a doubling or more of the money supply. (The Fed has never before dared to promote annual money supply increases of more than around 10 percent.) When and if a bogus "recovery" does actually begin under these conditions, remnants of sanity will force the Administration to reverse its easy money policy. (Reluctantly, to be sure. Romer recently warned of the dangers of reversing too soon.) That reversal, of course, will bring on still another economic relapse. So, American entrepreneurs, are you feeling brave?

And the number one reason Obamanomics won't work:

1. You can't push off the costs to our descendants. Many Americans worry that their "children and grandchildren" will suffer the economic hardship of repaying the Bush-bama trillion dollar deficits. But they won't. (The little darlings will repudiate the debt one way -- monetary depreciation -- or the other. Explicit repudiation. They will, that is, if the present generation doesn't do it first.) The current follies of economic policy are not an extravagance for which we can charge someone else in the remote future. We are the ones who, passively allowing this conversion to a command economy, will experience the deprivations it supplies to all but the politically connected. The transition starts now, with the private sector mired in paralysis and Washington, D.C., beginning to flex its muscle in earnest.

Mikiel de Bary works in the financial services industry and is a freelance observer of macroeconomics in contemporary society.

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Doc Mercer

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Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

You're a Canadian ...

worry about your own country and plenty of Canadian forums to post
your "concerns'
 

brucefan

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Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

By Mikiel de Bary

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A brute inflationary monetary policy of the kind we are experiencing today can hardly avoid leading to a growth in GDP that, after all, is largely a record of consumer spending. But we cannot judge an economic policy to be "working" simply by detecting such an increase in GDP. Nor may we say policy has "succeeded" just from increases in government jobs or government-subsidized jobs. An economy's success, properly speaking, is one that increases long-term levels of production with robust private sector employment. In short, inflation and public sector growth do not mean a policy has "worked." As the essence of Obamanomics is easy money and government aggrandizement, there are lots of reasons for pessimism. Here are ten of them

10. The Obama economic team really does not know how we got into this mess. For example, Christina Romer, chair of the Council of Economic Advisors, claims that the "fundamental cause" of the current economic downturn is the decline in asset prices from the levels reached in 2006 and 2007, i.e., from the peak of arguably the biggest and broadest asset bubble in history. In other words, she believes that the retreat from absurd valuations is giving us problems.

9. Obama himself follows the scapegoating line initiated by Bush. He blames both the general asset bubble and its collapse on insufficiently regulated companies, rather than on fiat money and central banking -- the sacred institutions of the failed macroeconomic establishment -- which financed every aspect of the Great Bubble.

8. Larry Summers and Ben Bernanke consider credit and liquidity to be the "lifeblood" of the economy. So they will supply untold quantities of it to somehow "restart" financial markets. They are unaware that economic freedom -- let's call it the "oxygen" of the economy -- makes possible credit, liquidity, and financial markets.

7. The Administration tries to meddle with private contracts -- see its attempts to pre-empt the bankruptcy courts and undercut the functions of mortgage foreclosure clauses. For a few cosmetic results, it chills confidence in all future investments.

6. The federal government burdens what is now left of free markets by raising its own spending and borrowing and, of course, by planning to increase taxes and regulation.

5. Government creates a new welfare system for union members when it preserves zombie auto companies in order to save "jobs." It creates a sham "financial system" when it bails out "systemically important" banks and insurance companies -- those that are too embarrassing to fail.

4. The Administration's efforts to manipulate prices upward (as in the markets for residences and "toxic" securities) are irrelevant, at best, and are more likely to delay a return to normal functioning in those markets.

3. President Obama apparently believes that increasing taxes on some of us and then redistributing the money to favored groups and promoters somehow "stimulates" the economy. Who besides macroeconomists (and their former students) believes this?

2. The Federal Reserve Board has transformed itself into an obedient appendage of the Executive Branch of government. Few seem aware that it is managing our monetary system more recklessly than ever in its history. The historic quattuordecupling of bank reserves in the last six months (that's a multiplication by 14) sets the stage for a doubling or more of the money supply. (The Fed has never before dared to promote annual money supply increases of more than around 10 percent.) When and if a bogus "recovery" does actually begin under these conditions, remnants of sanity will force the Administration to reverse its easy money policy. (Reluctantly, to be sure. Romer recently warned of the dangers of reversing too soon.) That reversal, of course, will bring on still another economic relapse. So, American entrepreneurs, are you feeling brave?

And the number one reason Obamanomics won't work:

1. You can't push off the costs to our descendants. Many Americans worry that their "children and grandchildren" will suffer the economic hardship of repaying the Bush-bama trillion dollar deficits. But they won't. (The little darlings will repudiate the debt one way -- monetary depreciation -- or the other. Explicit repudiation. They will, that is, if the present generation doesn't do it first.) The current follies of economic policy are not an extravagance for which we can charge someone else in the remote future. We are the ones who, passively allowing this conversion to a command economy, will experience the deprivations it supplies to all but the politically connected. The transition starts now, with the private sector mired in paralysis and Washington, D.C., beginning to flex its muscle in earnest.

Mikiel de Bary works in the financial services industry and is a freelance observer of macroeconomics in contemporary society.

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Amen brother 91023i2ndw;l
 

Doc Mercer

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Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

This from a man who constantly quotes Root and Beck

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

pigniro

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It's about supporting it up long enough to get to the second term in order that America's economic system can be essentially restored to consume less and pillage less of the world's resources.<o:p></o:p>
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Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

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mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> This isn't about fixing the nation. It's about supporting it up long enough to get to the second term in order that America's economic system can be essentially restored to consume less and pillage less of the world's resources.<o:p></o:p>
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Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

You're a Canadian ...

worry about your own country and plenty of Canadian forums to post
your "concerns'

To Doc:

You have done it again.

You have addressed the messenger instead of the message.

Instead of trying to refute one single point made in this very scholarly article, all you can come up with is that the person who posted it is a "Canadian."

That is completely and totally irrelevant.

Even worse, you are trying to tell him which country he is supposed to "worry" about.

Obviously, he is worried about the United States of America.

And he has every right to be, no matter which country he is living in.

You constantly accuse other posters of being "racists."

Yet, you constantly attack Joe Contrarian of being a "Canadian."

The Munchkin Man herewith finds you guilty of hypocrisy and intellectual cowardice.

Munchkin Man
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Contrarian is an assclown and an easier target to beat up than you Munchkin

Your ramblings indidcate Mental Challenges ... Contrarian's ramblings are along the same lines of Palin and there ain't enough drugs in the world to help his mental state
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Contrarian is an assclown and an easier target to beat up than you Munchkin

Your ramblings indidcate Mental Challenges ... Contrarian's ramblings are along the same lines of Palin and there ain't enough drugs in the world to help his mental state

Doc:

Your statement above is an example of an argumentum ad hominem.

Therefore, your argument has been rendered invalid, by means of its own self-destruction.

You have lost again.

Munchkin Man
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Nooooo

the loss would have been if Grampa and Lillie Munster would have been
swearing in on Jan 20th

Contrarian raves about Palin ... enough said about his credibility on
any issue

Ohhhh ... wait a minute ... same guy who raved about Fred Thompson
being the next Psdt of the USA ... :LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Nooooo

the loss would have been if Grampa and Lillie Munster would have been
swearing in on Jan 20th

Contrarian raves about Palin ... enough said about his credibility on
any issue

Ohhhh ... wait a minute ... same guy who raved about Fred Thompson
being the next Psdt of the USA ... :LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

Irrelevant and off-topic content.

Give it up.

You lost.

Munchkin Man
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Contrarian is not even an AMERICAN

Contrarian cheered on American kids dying in Iraq while his CHICKENHAWK
ass hid under his bed in fear of Muslims

Contrarian is a racist


WAIT A MINUTE .... HE WOULD MAKE A GREAT REPUBLICAN w/some of his
"qualifications"
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

.

5. Government creates a new welfare system for union members when it preserves zombie auto companies in order to save "jobs." It creates a sham "financial system" when it bails out "systemically important" banks and insurance companies -- those that are too embarrassing to fail.
AM EDT


Funny how the want to talk about a welfare system for union members but do not mention anything about the welfare that corporations like Wal-Mart get.Why should our tax money go to a place that get's tax breaks here and then goes and invests that money in China???Why should we give McDonalds millions to advertise the big mac in India and China.Let's talk about welfare here since corporate america is the biggest mooch out there but since they own the press the only thing they can do is get people to look at unions and blame them for their mistakes and greed.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Ohhhh Noooo ....

Joey C backed in a corner


$10 says he is quickly scanning Levin's book for an "answer"
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

To Doc Mercer:

The Munchkin Man shall commence with this post by advising Doc Mercer to read Post #2 of the following thread:

http://forums.eog.com/politics-and-government/political-forum-152442.html

Now that you have read the designated post, the Munchkin Man will now continue.

Contrarian is not even an AMERICAN

This statement is completely irrelevant and off-topic.

The topic of this thread is "The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work."

The topic of this thread is NOT Joe Contrarian's nationality.

Therefore, you are in violation of Rule Number #1, which the Munchkin Man has copied and pasted, as follows:
_____

1. As contributors of this forum, you will be expected to stay ON TOPIC in the thread. If there is a desire to cover another topic, start another thread. DO NOT HIJACK THREADS
_____

Contrarian cheered on American kids dying in Iraq while his CHICKENHAWK
ass hid under his bed in fear of Muslims

In addition to being a continued violation of Rule Number #1, the statement above is clearly a violation of Rule Number #3, which the Munchkin Man will copy and paste as follows:
_____

3. ATTACK THE MESSAGE NOT THE MESSENGER! From the moment this is posted, personal attacks will no longer be tolerated. I see a few of you have been using the asylum for this and that is fine. If you need to call each other names and generally act like two year olds then DO SO IN THE ASYLUM. NOT HERE.
_____

Contrarian is a racist

This is another personal attack and another violation of Rule Number #3, which the Munchkin Man has cited above.

To Doc Mercer:

Please be advised that the Munchkin Man is going to officially report any and all of your future posting violations to the management of EOG.

The Munchkin Man believes that you are out of control and that you have been getting away with far too much.

The Munchkin Man believes it is time for some time of intervention.

Very Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

To Doc Mercer:

Please be advised that the Munchkin Man is going to officially report any and all of your future posting violations to the management of EOG.

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO



OHHHHH .... MUNCHKIE IS NOW THE BARNEY FIFE OF THIS FORUM


SHALL WE START A POLL ASKING IF CONTRARIAN IS A RACIST?
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

To Doc Mercer:

The Munchkin Man shall commence with this post by advising Doc Mercer to read Post #2 of the following thread:

http://forums.eog.com/politics-and-government/political-forum-152442.html

Now that you have read the designated post, the Munchkin Man will now continue.



This statement is completely irrelevant and off-topic.

The topic of this thread is "The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work."

The topic of this thread is NOT Joe Contrarian's nationality.

Therefore, you are in violation of Rule Number #1, which the Munchkin Man has copied and pasted, as follows:
_____

1. As contributors of this forum, you will be expected to stay ON TOPIC in the thread. If there is a desire to cover another topic, start another thread. DO NOT HIJACK THREADS
_____



In addition to being a continued violation of Rule Number #1, the statement above is clearly a violation of Rule Number #3, which the Munchkin Man will copy and paste as follows:
_____

3. ATTACK THE MESSAGE NOT THE MESSENGER! From the moment this is posted, personal attacks will no longer be tolerated. I see a few of you have been using the asylum for this and that is fine. If you need to call each other names and generally act like two year olds then DO SO IN THE ASYLUM. NOT HERE.
_____



This is another personal attack and another violation of Rule Number #3, which the Munchkin Man has cited above.

To Doc Mercer:

Please be advised that the Munchkin Man is going to officially report any and all of your future posting violations to the management of EOG.

The Munchkin Man believes that you are out of control and that you have been getting away with far too much.

The Munchkin Man believes it is time for some time of intervention.

Very Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
Munchkin you are sounding like a liberal.Yes it does matter that someone is from Canada and acting like an American.Does our tax rate apply to him??
Does our health care apply to him???
Does anything in these topics apply to him???If he says he is a Canadian then i will take his opinion as is , but as of now none of these things apply to him . I know the socialism scream is losing steam but man up and come up with something besides crying and whining and wanting to include a Canadian in your socialism scream.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Leave MM alone ...

springtime means love is in the air and his dedication to ________ (gotta be careful as I don't want to violate rule #3) was "touching" and the shit that inspires Barry Manilow to crank out a song ...
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Yes it does matter that someone is from Canada and acting like an American.

No, it does not matter.

It really doesn't.

Does our tax rate apply to him??
Does our health care apply to him???
Does anything in these topics apply to him???If he says he is a Canadian then i will take his opinion as is , but as of now none of these things apply to him

You don't get it.

The topic of this thread is not about "him."

The topic of this thread is not about Joe Contrarian.

Instead, the topic of this thread is exactly what the title of this thread says it is:

"The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work."

No matter what country Joe Contrarian is from, he has the perfect right to post his opinions on the economic policies of the United States, and to do so without being harrassed.

Very Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

I don't want to violate rule #3.

That's a good boy.

Be mindful of the rules at all times.

And above all..............

OBEY THE RULES!

Now that it appears that the Munchkin Man has put you back on the right path, the Munchkin Man shall now remind you once again to obey Rule Number #1, which the Munchkin Man has copied and pasted again below:
_____

1. As contributors of this forum, you will be expected to stay ON TOPIC in the thread. If there is a desire to cover another topic, start another thread. DO NOT HIJACK THREADS
_____

Therefore, please confine your further comments in this thread to the discussion of the content of the very fine article that Joe Contrarian posted in the initial post of this thread, which bears the same title of this thread:

"The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work"

Thank you.

Very Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

No, it does not matter.

It really doesn't.



You don't get it.

The topic of this thread is not about "him."

The topic of this thread is not about Joe Contrarian.

Instead, the topic of this thread is exactly what the title of this thread says it is:

"The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work."

No matter what country Joe Contrarian is from, he has the perfect right to post his opinions on the economic policies of the United States, and to do so without being harrassed.

Very Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
Yes Joey does have the right to post what he wants but do not give an opinion from an american perspective when you are not American .That is phony as hell and he can cut and paste as much as he wishes but when you act like it is affecting you when it is not is phony as hell...do you see where this is going ?Don't tell me it does not matter when it does and if you cannot figure that out then you are the one that does not get it.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

and lets listen into Munchkin's corner:

"Munchkie ... they are killing ya ... I am thinking of throwing in the towel .."
 
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

The problem, of course, that that Joe Canadian, for reasons we have yet to discover, would love to see the party that helped CAUSE the problems by doing NOTHING, put back in power. Why a Canadian would want to see this is beyond my scope of comprehension. I would think that issues in Ottawa would be much more important to a Canadian.
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Yes Joey does have the right to post what he wants but do not give an opinion from an american perspective when you are not American .

You have just contradicted yourself.

If the first clause of your statement above, you state that he has the right to post what he wants to.

In the second clause of your statement above, your are ordering him not to "give an opinion from an American perspective", just because he is not an American.

He has every right to express his opinion from any perspective, regardless of his nationality.

.That is phony as hell and he can cut and paste as much as he wishes but when you act like it is affecting you when it is not is phony as hell...do you see where this is going ?

Once again, this is not about Joe Contrarian.

It is about "The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work."

Don't tell me it does not matter when it does and if you cannot figure that out then you are the one that does not get it.

The Munchkin Man will say it again.

It DOES NOT MATTER!

And YOU are the one who does not get it.

Munchkin Man
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Tank

watch out as the Hall Monitor has a meeting in the morning with the Principal
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

You have just contradicted yourself.

If the first clause of your statement above, you state that he has the right to post what he wants to.

In the second clause of your statement above, your are ordering him not to "give an opinion from an American perspective", just because he is not an American.

He has every right to express his opinion from any perspective, regardless of his nationality.



Once again, this is not about Joe Contrarian.

It is about "The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work."



The Munchkin Man will say it again.

It DOES NOT MATTER!

And YOU are the one who does not get it.

Munchkin Man
Again yes he can post or copy and paste anything he wants too,but do not give an american perspective when you are not an american because it is phony.What don't you get from this????
Now practice what you preach and respond to ''The top ten reasons Obomanomics won't work'' or quit wasting space with your nonsense. Do you realize you have posted 8 TIMES in this thread and have not ONCE said anything about ''the top ten reasons why obamanomics won't work''8 fucking replies from you and not a single one has anything to do with the thread. Look up hypocrite and see if it fit's
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Tank

watch out as the Hall Monitor has a meeting in the morning with the Principal
He keeps saying it's not about joey but his 8 replies have nothing to do with the topic, only his love for his partner.
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Again yes he can post or copy and paste anything he wants too,but do not give an american perspective when you are not an american because it is phony.

You have contradicted yourself again!

You do not have any right to order another poster not to "give an American perspective" if that poster is not an American.

The Munchkin Man sees nothing intrinsically "phony" about a poster from a given country expressing opinions about the economic policies of another country.

You do not have the right to order the censorship another poster, based upon your biased and prejudicial belief that the poster is a "phony."

What don't you get from this????

There is nothing to "get."

Your argument is illogical, nonsensical, prejudicial, and unintelligible.

Now practice what you preach and respond to ''The top ten reasons Obomanomics won't work'' or quit wasting space with your nonsense.

The nonsense is coming from your end.

You are the one who is attacking the integrity of a poster who wishes to express some opinions on American economics, on the grounds that he is not an American.

His nationality is a non issue.

You are trying to make it one.

In order to allow this issue to be discussed, it is first essential to establish the poster's right to discuss American economics, regardless of his nationality, without being attacked and harrassed, which you are guilty of doing.

Munchkin Man
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Tank:

I thought May would be the month _______ _______ dedicated a Tribute to you like he did with _________ ____________


I guess Brucefan just slide to the top of the Dedication List
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

You have contradicted yourself again!

You do not have any right to order another poster not to "give an American perspective" if that poster is not an American.

The Munchkin Man sees nothing intrinsically "phony" about a poster from a given country expressing opinions about the economic policies of another country.

You do not have the right to order the censorship another poster, based upon your biased and prejudicial belief that the poster is a "phony."



There is nothing to "get."

Your argument is illogical, nonsensical, prejudicial, and unintelligible.



The nonsense is coming from your end.

You are the one who is attacking the integrity of a poster who wishes to express some opinions on American economics, on the grounds that he is not an American.

His nationality is a non issue.

You are trying to make it one.

In order to allow this issue to be discussed, it is first essential to establish the poster's right to discuss American economics, regardless of his nationality, without being attacked and harrassed, which you are guilty of doing.

Munchkin Man
9 POSTS NOW AND NOT ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE THREAD.Congratulation this is a record.
I am not the one screaming censorship.I don't understand what is so hard for you to understand about my position.I do not give a rat's ass what Joe posts but if you want me to take it serious then do not act like your something when you are not.You say he is not trying to act like an american??Get a clue. I know your blinded by love but you have to see through that and realize he is.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

His nationality is a non issue.

You are trying to make it one.

In order to allow this issue to be discussed, it is first essential to establish the poster's right to discuss American economics, regardless of his nationality, without being attacked and harrassed, which you are guilty of doing.

Munchkin Man
Maybe not to you it is not but to others it is.
Now that we have that out of the way are you going to respond to this topic or are you going to keep playing your nonsense game??I'm willing to bet you will have 10 post's in this thread and not one of them will be about the topic.
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

9 POSTS NOW AND NOT ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE THREAD.Congratulation this is a record.
I am not the one screaming censorship.I don't understand what is so hard for you to understand about my position.I do not give a rat's ass what Joe posts but if you want me to take it serious then do not act like your something when you are not.You say he is not trying to act like an american??Get a clue. I know your blinded by love but you have to see through that and realize he is.

Your unintelligible commentary above is not worthy of the dignity of a response from the Munchkin Man.

Therefore, the Munchkin Man has nothing to add.

If you do not comprehend the Munchkin Man's logical refutation of your faulty argument by now, then it is doubtful that you ever well.

Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Your unintelligible commentary above is not worthy of the dignity of a response from the Munchkin Man.

Therefore, the Munchkin Man has nothing to add.

If you do not comprehend the Munchkin Man's logical refutation of your faulty argument by now, then it is doubtful that you ever well.

Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
Come on please respond ...i have a bet that you will have over 12 posts in this thread and not one of them will have anything to do with the topic. Your at 11 so just waste a little more space with one more dumb post. Please.
 
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.'
-- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.
 
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

Funny how the want to talk about a welfare system for union members but do not mention anything about the welfare that corporations like Wal-Mart get.Why should our tax money go to a place that get's tax breaks here and then goes and invests that money in China???Why should we give McDonalds millions to advertise the big mac in India and China.Let's talk about welfare here since corporate america is the biggest mooch out there but since they own the press the only thing they can do is get people to look at unions and blame them for their mistakes and greed.

I oppose all forms of welfare, including corporate welfare.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

I oppose all forms of welfare

SURE YA DOOOOO ......

PALIN RUNS A SOCIALIST STATE IN ALASKA

REAGAN WAS A SOCIALIST

JOE THE PLUMBER ACCEPTS GOVT HANDOUTS


Nice try from up North ....
 
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.'
-- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.


Or, rephrased for the current context

"I don't like it when you pull my pants down and expose me for the non-American which I am"--- Mark L Contrarian, Rules For Posting Hot Political Opinions on Sports Handicapping Web Forums
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO


"Munchkin ....did Manny violate some rule on this forum?"
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Top Ten Reasons Obamanomics Won't Work

His nationality is a non issue.

Maybe not to you it is not but to others it is.

Thank you.

You have just proven the Munchkin Man's point.

If Joe Contrarian's nationality is an issue with certain other posters, then this proves that they have an issue with him on a personal level.

The issue and topic of this thread is the content of the article that Joe Contrarian posted -- not his nationality.

By your very own admission, you have stated that there are other posters who have a personal issue with his nationality, as evidenced by your quote above.

This reveals volumes about these posters themselves, including their prejudices and personal animosity toward Joe Contrarian, while revealing nothing whatsoever about Joe Contrarian himself, and the very fine article he posted.

If you believe that Joe Contrarian's interest in American economics is "phony", as you have specifically stated in previous posts, then you are only commenting upon a perceived character trait of Joe Contrarian, and not the article itself.

This thread is not about the nationality of Joe Contrarian.

This thread is not about the character of Joe Contrarian.

This thread is not about Joe Contrarian, period.

This thread is about the article that he posted.

Now then.........

Before you call the Munchkin Man a hypocrite again for not addressing the content of this article himself, the Munchkin Man wants to express and reiterate the following point:

It is first essential to establish, and prioritize as a human rights issue, Joe Contrarian's right to express himself on the topic of American economics on this Forum, regardless of his nationality, and regardless of whatever character defects you may perceive he has.

This right must not and should not be subjected to the personal attacks and prejudices of certain posters, who are so shallow of character and devoid of intellect, that they have a personal issue with his nationality, as expressed by your very own admission, which once again, has been evidenced by your quote above.

Very Sincerely,

Munchkin Man
 
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