Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

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Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?




Cody Williams, a Chicago physician, writes in today's New York Post how Obama-style socialized medicine may have played a role in the death of actress Natasha Richardson, who died last week in Canada from a simple injury easily treatable in the United States.
Williams writes, in part:
Canadian health care de-emphasizes widespread dissemination of technology like CT scanners and quick access to specialists like neurosurgeons. While all the facts of Richardson's medical care haven't been released, enough is known to pose questions with profound implications.
Richardson died of an epidural hematoma -- a bleeding artery between the skull and brain that compresses and ultimately causes fatal brain damage via pressure buildup. With prompt diagnosis by CT scan, and surgery to drain the blood, most patients survive.
Could Richardson have received this care? Where it happened in Canada, no. In many US resorts, yes.

You may read the entire column here. Medical technology such as CT and MRI scanners, found in most every city in the United States, are hard to find in "universal health care" countries like the U.K. and Canada.
That's why the Libertarian Party supports the proven solutions of lowering health care costs and increasing access through increased competition and decreased regulation -- instead of the Obama plan to put health care in the same hands that gave us the IRS, AIG bonuses, corporate bailouts and Walter Reed Hospital scandal



http://www.nypost.com/seven/0326200...canadacare_may_have_killed_natasha_161372.htm


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Canadian health care de-emphasizes widespread dissemination of technology like CT scanners and quick access to specialists like neurosurgeons.

The left begrudges the best medical to "the rich" because it's more "fair" to have piss-poor life-threatening treatment for everyone.

Socialism can make anyone weep, which is why it's better to laugh instead.

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anyone seen SOCIALIST Sarah Palin or SOCIALIST Plumber boy lately?


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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width=461 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left colSpan=2>Take Action! Tell your Senators to Stop Socialized Health Care </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2 height=5></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>We told you about efforts to jam a cap-and-trade energy tax through the Senate using reconciliation, a trick to avoid proper debate and the normal 60 vote requirement for important legislation, and you sprung into action, generating a flood of calls and emails to the Senate and IT WORKED. WE WON that fight and kept cap-and-trade out of reconciliation.

Last week, Sen. Johanns introduced a budget amendment to prohibit the use of reconciliation for cap-and-trade, and it passed on a solid 67-31 vote. Every Republican supported the amendment, as did 26 Democrats. Before the Johanns amendment passed, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid indicated he wanted to do both cap-and-trade and health care under reconciliation, saying that cap-and-trade revenues would be "exactly how much we need for the first phase of health care reform."

Unfortunately, THERE IS NO TIME TO CELEBRATE, because now Democrats are poised to pull the reconciliation trick for their plan to NATIONALIZE AND RATION HEALTH CARE.

There are a few senators that are going to be very influential in this fight. If you know anyone in the following states please forward this email to them: Arkansas, Indiana, Montana, Nevada and North Dakota. We need your help to get the word out!

While the Senate passed a budget resolution without reconciliation language, the House budget specifically includes a section authorizing the use of reconciliation for a national health care plan. This is despite the fact that reconciliation is only relevant in the Senate, where it can short-circuit debate and pass legislation with only 50 votes instead of the regular 60.

This is a TRICK to let Senate Democrats claim they passed a budget without reconciliation, only to have it slipped back in during conference committee, when the House and Senate budgets are combined.

Please click here to send a message to your senator OPPOSING HEALTH CARE RECONCILIATION.

The dean of the Senate, Sen. Robert C. Byrd, Democrat from West Virginia, has made it crystal clear that this is not what reconciliation is for, saying, "I was one of the authors of the legislation that created the budget 'reconciliation' process in 1974, and I am certain that putting health-care reform and climate change legislation on a freight train through Congress is an outrage that must be resisted."

The stakes are enormous. Two big steps toward government-run health care are already in place with the national health information database and the comparative effectiveness research that were hidden in the stimulus plan. We are now only a few steps away from establishing a national health board that will RATION CARE based on the results of comparative effectiveness research, and a coverage mandate designed to, over time, shift more and more people into a government-run and government-controlled health care plan.

Moving health care nationalization through reconciliation will SILENCE moderate Democrats and Republicans and produce the most aggressive, big-government health care plan possible. Any government plan to restructure one sixth of our economy deserves to be debated fully under the regular rules of the Senate.

Please click here to send a message to your senator OPPOSING HEALTH CARE RECONCILIATION.

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Press Release

For Immediate Release
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Libertarians: Obama health care rationing plan makes America sick

Government control of health care leads to higher death rates, research finds



WASHINGTON -- America?s third largest party Tuesday blasted comments by White House chief economic advisor Lawrence Summers that Americans are getting too much health care and the government should begin rationing access to medical procedures.
?Decisions on medical care should be made by patient and his or her doctor, not by a government employee with a calculator figuring out whether treating your illness is in Washington?s fiscal interest,? said Donny Ferguson, Libertarian National Committee Communications Director.
?Whether it?s tonsillectomies or hysterectomies?procedures are done three times as frequently [in some parts of the country than others] and there?s no benefit in terms of the right kind of cost-effectiveness, by making the right kind of investments and protection, some experts?estimate that we could take as much as $700 billion a year out of our health care system,? said Summers on ?Meet the Press? Sunday, quoted in The Washington Times.
?Summers? statement that Americans have too much health care, and it?s up to Barack Obama to cut off their access is chilling,? said Ferguson. ?Even more disturbing is the White House?s view that private decisions on your medical care should be viewed as a government-run ?investment.??
?The same people who gave us Agent Orange, the IRS and the Hurricane Katrina response have no business making my doctor?s decisions for him.?
Despite assurances from the White House that rationing health care leads to better treatment, information from rationed health care systems tells a different story.
Among women diagnosed with breast cancer, only one fifth die in the United States, compared to one third in France and Germany, and almost half in the United Kingdom and New Zealand, Cato Institute scholar John Goodman finds, citing statistics from their national health care services. Goodman?s research finds among men who are diagnosed with prostate cancer, fewer than one fifth die in the United States, compared to one fourth in Canada, almost half in France, and more than half in the United Kingdom.
The culprit is often the kind of waiting lists the White House proposed Sunday. In 2000, the British medical journal Clinical Oncology, studying lung cancer patients waiting for government permission to get medical treatment found that about 20 percent ?of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list.?
Another 2003 British study found that after major surgery, 2.5 percent of American patients died in hospital, compared to 10 percent of similar Britons. Seriously ill patients in U.S. hospitals die at only one-seventh the rate of those in the British system, where government controls, prices and rations health care, according to Atlas Economic Research Foundation senior fellow Deroy Murdock.
?The proper way to reform health care is to get government out of the way, drive down prices by opening up a health insurance market closed off to competition by politicians doing the bidding of insurance lobbyists and remove FDA roadblocks that keep medication off the market and drive up the costs to develop lifesaving drugs,? said Ferguson.
For more information on this issue, or to arrange an interview with the Libertarian Party, please call Director of Communications Donny Ferguson at 703-200-3669 or 202-333-0008, x. 225, or email Donny.Ferguson@lp.org.
The Libertarian Party is America's third-largest political party, founded in 1971 as an alternative to the two main political parties. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party by visiting http://www.LP.org. The Libertarian Party proudly stands for smaller government, lower taxes and more freedom.
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A growing chorus of experts is warning the Obama administration?s plan to add 47 million people to the health-insurance rolls may kill hopes for a sustained economic recovery.
Obama?s healthcare plan would follow the $700 billion TARP bailout, the $787 billion stimulus, and a $410 billion, earmark-laden budget appropriation -- at a time when the national debt already exceeds $11 trillion.
Such staggering deficits are leading economists to question whether enough investment capital would be left over once the expected economic recovery takes hold. Any economic recovery could stall or be seriously limited, economists say.
Alarms over the cost of the program are sounding just as senators begin a series of roundtable discussions on health care. Democrats hope those discussions will lead to a bipartisan agreement.
Senate Finance Committee chairman Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., and ranking member Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, are hosting those hearings. Grassley urged Tuesday that healthcare reform must be made ?in a fiscally responsible way.?
Critics say Democrats? healthcare proposals are far from fiscally responsible, however.
?What it will mostly do is bloat -- once again -- spending and borrowing,? Doug Bandow, a Cato Institute Senior Fellow, tells Newsmax.
Bandow says spending hundreds of billions more on healthcare will hurt job creation during a period of already high unemployment.
He adds that government economists have already warned the economic stimulus package will eventually reduce Gross Domestic Product by crowding out private investment. A massive healthcare bill will only make matters worse.
Bandow is not alone in his concerns.
In its January report on the budget outlook, the Congressional Budget Office warned that even without the Obama health plan, the double whammy of high deficits and rising health-care costs could throttle the recovery.
?High deficits in the near term may be inevitable in the face of the financial crisis and severe economic weakness,? stated the CBO report. ?However, once the nation gets past this downturn, it will still face significant fiscal challenges posed by rising healthcare costs and the aging of the population.
?Continued large deficits and the resulting increases in federal debt over time would probably constrain long-term economic growth by reducing national savings and investment, which in turn would cause productivity and wage growth to gradually slow,? the CBO concluded.
The greatest single threat to budget stability over the long run, according to the CBO: The sharp rise in Medicare and Medicaid. Such spending, the CBO reported, must be controlled ?for the fiscal situation to be sustainable in future decades.?
Despite such troublesome reports, signs Democrats intend to push through health-care reform are as omnipresent as cherry blossoms in the Nation?s Capital these days. Among them:
The Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee chaired by Sen. Edward Kennedy is also seeking to transform the nation?s healthcare system.

Baucus and Kennedy sent President Obama a letter Monday promising to have health care legislation ready for his review by June.

On Wednesday, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., will gavel in a House Ways and Means Committee hearing on the health-insurance market.

Neither House Speaker Nancy Pelosi nor Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is ruling out a special legislative maneuver, reconciliation, to fast-track healthcare reform, if Republicans refuse to play along.
Just how much will healthcare reform cost? Until the details are worked out, no one can say precisely. But if the ultimate program resembles at all the one Obama laid out during the campaign, the price tag will be staggering.
According to The Heritage Foundation, low-end estimates project a cost of $1.17 trillion over the first 10 years of the program -- far more than the $684 billion in Obama?s preliminary budgetary framework.
Another estimate pegs the cost at $1.6 trillion over the next decade. The highest estimate, which is based on a 7 percent annual inflation in medical costs, holds that the original Obama plan would cost $6 trillion over the next 10 years.
Such eye-popping numbers led former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, an oft-mentioned GOP presidential contender for 2012, to tell Newsmax: ?Not only is the cost like swallowing a pill the size of an elephant, even worse is that there is no indication that Obama is seriously addressing the real cost of healthcare in the United States -- chronic disease and the lack of preventive care.
?By simply adding more fuel to the raging fire of a disease-care system that fails to restructure the system,? Huckabee says, ?he only accelerates our plunge into an unsustainable cost without addressing the root cause of the crisis.?
Based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, it is by no means clear how an aging America will pay for its rising healthcare costs even without universal care.
The CBO already predicts healthcare costs will swell -- from 5 percent of GDP this year to more than 6 percent in 2019, and approaching 12 percent by 2050.
Of course, rising costs are the very rationale cited by advocates of universal health care. People can?t afford insurance and medical costs are skyrocketing, they say, so the government needs to step in.
So what are the chances a system heavily regulated by the federal government will operate more efficiently? Not good, most experts agree.
?We can?t afford to have the government run anything else in our lives, because it doesn?t do it well, and it makes it much more expensive,? South Carolina GOP Sen. Jim DeMint tells Newsmax. ?We need every American to have a health insurance policy that they can afford, and keep, and own -- something they have that is not from government.
?With the amount of money we?re already spending, the ability to get everyone insured,? DeMint continued, ?if we?ll just develop the policies at the federal level that make it easier for people to buy insurance policies, and make insurance policies more competitive -- but the people in control make it harder and harder for individuals to have their own insurance. And now they?re saying, ?There are uninsured people, so we need government healthcare.? We don?t need government healthcare, that?s the last thing we need.?
Thomas P. Miller, a former senior health economist for the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, and a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, calls the notion that the federal government can achieve net savings ?political smoke.? While some savings may be generated, they will be poured back into the program to help offset costs, he says.
Indeed, Miller finds the economics of the current proposals so vague that he has labels them ?faith-based initiatives.? And it is unclear, he says, how much more red ink the federal government can tolerate.
?We may have used up our reserve capacity to both borrow money, stretch the ability of the Federal Reserve?s balance sheet, the sustainability of the dollar as the long-standing reserve currency of the world?s economy,? he says. ?All these things become harder, rather than easier, given how far we?ve either already climbed up that hill, or descended into that trench, depending on your perspective.?
The rising tab run up by the Obama administration is one reason Miller says its narrow political window for healthcare reform will only remain open through the end of the year. Congressional Democrats have cited a similar timetable.
In a sign it might compromise on elements of the plan in exchange for rapid approval, the Obama administration has suggested it might accept reforms that fall short of promises made on the campaign trail. And it is already drawing fire from the left for doing so.
Obama?s real objective, Miller says, is to ?lock in? policies that transfer control of healthcare choices to politicians and technocrats in Washington. Purported cost savings, he says, are mere ?rhetorical cover? for Obama?s primary political agenda.
All of which means businesses could soon be scrambling to find the capital they need, once the economic recovery begins in earnest.
?Once the economy gets going and business sees a real opportunity to invest and expand again, they?re going to bump up against the fact that the feds are spending an enormous amount of money,? Bandow says. ?This is just going to transform the credit marketplace, and we can?t assume the Chinese will forever be helpful in buying all of our debt. What that does to interest rates, and what that does to private investment, could be quite significant.?






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Caught on tape: Radical congresswoman admits Obama health plan ends all private insurance

posted by Donny Ferguson on Apr 30, 2009


Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, a radical Illinois Democrat and congressional colleague of Barack Obama, was caught on tape during an April 18 speech telling a cheering crowd of socialist activists that the Obama health care plan would eventually terminate every private health insurance plan in America and that supporters of the free market "have every reason to be afraid."
If that name doesn't sound familiar, she is the same radical who called Americans who complained about their tax bill April 15 "shameful" and "despicable." Sounds more like terminating everyone's health insurance plans and forcing all Americans into government-run health care is a better definition of "shameful" and "despicable."
You can watch the tape by clicking here.


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Times: Obama's health care rationing

posted by Donny Ferguson on May 01, 2009


The Washington Times offers its editorial opinion today on Obama's position that the government should deny care to the terminally ill and elderly as part of a governemnt takeover:
...It's a scary picture the president paints. He stated that "the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here." For them, he said, "I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels."
The time to really worry about your health is when a government bureaucrat, not your personal doctor, tells you what treatment you can have. Yet that's exactly the scenario endorsed by Mr. Obama. This position clearly leads to health care rationing. Nobody in the government or in any "political channels" should tell individuals how to make decisions about "the end of their lives." The only conversations happening should be personal, not democratic. It's not up to government to pull the plug.
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For Katie Brickell, government-run health care was a death sentence

posted by Donny Ferguson on May 08, 2009




Cervical cancer ran in Katie Brickell?s family, so she tried to get a routine pap test. That?s no problem here in the United States, but Britain?s National Health Service refused the procedure because she was only 23.

Finally, after three requests, the government-run health care system finally allowed Katie to get a pap test. The results were tragic.
She had terminal cervical cancer ? and had she gotten the test when she first asked for it, it would have been found while it was treatable.

If that doesn?t make you angry, this will. Barack Obama wants to abolish your health care and replace it with a rationed-care system like the NHS.
He claims government-run care costs you less. Not only is that a lie, his system attempts to save money by simply denying you treatment.

Snuck into the details of the ?stimulus? package was the creation of the Federal Coordinated Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (FCCCER, don?t say it out loud.)
Its purpose? To monitor health care and begin ?coordinating? care.

According to Obama, medication and procedures aren?t expensive because the government meddles in it. They?re expensive because too many people are getting them.

In fact, the White House announced on ?Meet The Press? on April 19 they want to ration access to medical procedures.
That means you can look forward to stories like the one that ran in major newspapers like London?s ?Daily Mail? a few weeks ago:

?Thousands of patients with terminal cancer were dealt a blow last night after a decision was made to deny them life prolonging drugs. The Government?s rationing body said two drugs for advanced breast cancer and a rare form of stomach cancer were too expensive for the NHS. (Daily Mail, March 5, 2009)?

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Socialized medicine "costs you less" because they don't bother to treat you with innovative cutting-edge procedures -- they send you home to die.

Ain't socialism the bomb? 2938u4ji23

Why don't the millions of brainwashed Marxists who voted for Hussein and who's fetish for the lowest common denominator has produced some of the most destructive, horrific political systems in human history try this:

Start their own voluntarily funded rationing system and then we'll compare which system is better.

Oh, and since Medicaid and Medicare (every government regulation and subsidy that has driven the price of medicine through the roof since their inception) are also socialist experiments, take them off the books as well.

Which system do you think will attract the best medical minds and most compassionate caregivers?

Which system will help patients live longer?

Which system will produce the best medicines and procedures and technologies?

Which system will allow you to see an oncologist in days, rather than weeks or even months?

I'm tired of government red tape preventing "evil, greedy corporations" like Walmart and Costco from opening cheap top quality one-stop medical service clinics in their current stores.

I'm sick of this Euro-trash entitlement mentality that believes "everyone should be covered" and that medical insurance should pay for your visit to your doctor for the common cold. (Insurance should only be used for the most DIRE SERIOUS MEDICAL PROCEDURES)

If libs want their Cuban-style health care for themselves, fine. I don't care.

But answer this:

Which provision in the Constitution allows these self-righteous utterly clueless community agitators to force their morally perverted, sick worldview on everyone else?

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tank

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Socialized medicine "costs you less" because they don't bother to treat you with innovative cutting-edge procedures -- they send you home to die.

Ain't socialism the bomb? 2938u4ji23

Why don't the millions of brainwashed Marxists who voted for Hussein and who's fetish for the lowest common denominator has produced some of the most destructive, horrific political systems in human history try this:

Start their own voluntarily funded rationing system and then we'll compare which system is better.

Oh, and since Medicaid and Medicare (every government regulation and subsidy that has driven the price of medicine through the roof since their inception) are also socialist experiments, take them off the books as well.

Which system do you think will attract the best medical minds and most compassionate caregivers?

Which system will help patients live longer?

Which system will produce the best medicines and procedures and technologies?

Which system will allow you to see an oncologist in days, rather than weeks or even months?

I'm tired of government red tape preventing "evil, greedy corporations" like Walmart and Costco from opening cheap top quality one-stop medical service clinics in their current stores.

I'm sick of this Euro-trash entitlement mentality that believes "everyone should be covered" and that medical insurance should pay for your visit to your doctor for the common cold. (Insurance should only be used for the most DIRE SERIOUS MEDICAL PROCEDURES)

If libs want their Cuban-style health care for themselves, fine. I don't care.

But answer this:

Which provision in the Constitution allows these self-righteous utterly clueless community agitators to force their morally perverted, sick worldview on everyone else?

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This sounds like my HMO.The premiums and medicine were cheaper along with $20 doctor visits so i thought i would switch to it and it has been a nightmare. They give you the run around and a simple thing turns into 5 different ''specialists'' before you finally get what you should have done in the first place.
 

tank

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I'm tired of government red tape preventing "evil, greedy corporations" like Walmart and Costco from opening cheap top quality one-stop medical service clinics in their current stores:soapbox::soapbox::soapbox::soapbox:

You cannot be serious with this stupid comment.
 
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You cannot be serious with this stupid comment.

Yes, I am dead serious.

tank, once again your drone-like impulses have reared their ugly heads.

I know drones aren't very good at thinking "outside the box" but seriously...

Walmart/Sam's Club and Costco provide top quality everything at rock bottom prices (this includes eye care and prescription drugs) -- why would health care be any different?

The truth is, any industry these third party self-interested bureaucratic busy-bodies touch turns to crap.

Nuclear power, oil, the auto industry, medical care, Fannie and Freddy, Amtrak, the post office...you name it...it's overpriced, inefficient, corrupt and unionized: bad for the consumer.

Conversely, almost every industry with little or no government intervention flourishes and is great for the consumer -- every product and service exposed to the laws of the free market has improved in quality, price and performance.

Hmmm....now why do you suppose that is?

Why weren't health care costs ever an issue before the New Deal and LBJ's Great Society?

Things that make even drones go hmmm.... :+clueless
 

tank

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tank, once again your drone-like impulses have reared their ugly heads.

I know drones aren't very good at thinking "outside the box" but seriously...

Walmart/Sam's Club and Costco provide top quality everything at rock bottom prices (this includes eye care and prescription drugs) why would health care be any different?

The truth is, any industry these third party self-interested bureaucratic busy-bodies touch turns to crap.

Nuclear power, oil, the auto industry, medical care, Fannie and Freddy, Amtrak, the post office...you name it...it's overpriced, inefficient, corrupt, unionized: bad for the consumer.

Conversely, almost every industry with little or no government intervention flourishes and is great for the consumer.

Almost every product and service subjected to the laws of the free market has improved in quality, price and performance.

Hmmm....now why do you suppose that is?

Why weren't healthcare costs ever an issue before the New Deal and LBJ's Great Society?

Things that make even drones go hmmm.... :+clueless
You really have no clue at all. Over 60 % of Wal-Mart employees have no insurance at all and are getting public assistance while the state picks up their health care.You cannot be serious. My god just because Fox has you sheep dumbed down to a level of stupidity does not mean it will sell here:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
The biggest welfare corporation getting in the health care business when it screws it's own employees out of it:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAOKeep em coming joey:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 
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You really have no clue at all. Over 60 % of Wal-Mart employees have no insurance at all and are getting public assistance while the state picks up their health care.You cannot be serious. My god just because Fox has you sheep dumbed down to a level of stupidity does not mean it will sell here:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
The biggest welfare corporation getting in the health care business when it screws it's own employees out of it:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAOKeep em coming joey:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

Complete and patently incoherent Marxist nonsense.

What about Walmart's $4 Prescription Drug Plan?

 

tank

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Prove all this wrong Joey.
 
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Prove me wrong then.

I can no more convince the figment of your Chomsky drone imagination that Walmart doesn't screw over it's employees no more than I can convince Mercer's conspiratorial imagination that "Arabs didn't fly planes into the Twin Towers" :doh1

The list of eligible drugs in the $4 Prescriptions Program — available at Walmart, Neighborhood Market and Sam's Club pharmacies nationwide — represents up to 95 percent of the prescriptions written in the majority of therapeutic categories. The affordable prices for these prescriptions are available for commonly prescribed dosages for up to 30-day or 90-day supplies. Ask your pharmacist or physician about switching to 90-day prescriptions for appropriate medications.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=546834

Oh no! Hide the kids and vote for the Marxist who promises a cradle-to-grave welfare state, because your Marxist professor taught your sorry drone ass that the Walmarts of America are evil robber-barron capitalists!

God, I hate the left!
 

tank

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I can no more disprove a figment of your Chomsky drone imagination than I can disprove that "Arabs didn't fly planes into the Twin Towers"...

:doh1



Oh no! Hide the kids vote for the Marxist who promises a cradle-to-grave welfare state, because your Marxist professor taught your sorry drone ass that the Walmarts are evil robber-barron capitalists!

God, I hate the left!
You are not very smart are you.My god the irony of all this is so obvious.The very people that screw the taxpayers the most should get into health care now when their own employees cannot even afford their insurance.:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAOKeep em coming joey:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

"walmartwatch.com"...

Gee, I wonder who sponsored that website? George Soros? :doh1

Listen drone, I never said Walmart should exclusively be the provider of your health care, I simply gave Costco and Sam's Club/Walmart as examples.

They are but a couple out of hundreds of corporations who, but not for "progressive" Stalinists in Washington, would be providing high quality health care at dirt cheap prices.

You have a beef with Walmart? I don't care.

The whole point of the self-regulating free market is that YOU get to choose, and not some self-interested bureaucrat with a utopian political agenda in Washington.

Let me repeat:

TANK THE DRONE WHO HAS AN IRRATIONAL PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST WALMART IS NOT OBLIGED TO GET TREATED AT WALMART!

Show me tje provision in the Constitution that says the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should control your health care.

Oh, that's right...it doesn't exist :doh1

But then that is why feeling-centric Liberals are who they are and Conservatives are who they are.

Libs share a common illiteracy of the Constitution and the rule of law; nor do they care; that is until their ox is being gored.
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

The same piss-poor rationing draconian health care system that killed Natasha Richardson is the one the Marxist in Chief wants to import to the United States of America.



Do you drones not understand the "transformational shift" that is happening in your country?

WAKE UP!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

"walmartwatch.com"...

Gee, I wonder who sponsored that website? George Soros? :doh1

Listen drone, I never said Walmart should exclusively be the provider of your health care, I simply gave Costco and Sam's Club/Walmart as examples.

They are but a couple out of hundreds of corporations who, but not for "progressive" Stalinists in Washington, would be providing high quality health care at dirt cheap prices.

You have a beef with Walmart? I don't care.

The whole point of the self-regulating free market is that YOU get to choose, and not some self-interested bureaucrat with a utopian political agenda in Washington.

Let me repeat:

TANK THE DRONE WHO HAS AN IRRATIONAL PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST WALMART IS NOT OBLIGED TO GET TREATED AT WALMART!

Show me tje provision in the Constitution that says the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should control your health care.

Oh, that's right...it doesn't exist :doh1

But then that is why feeling-centric Liberals are who they are and Conservatives are who they are.

Libs share a common illiteracy of the Constitution and the rule of law; nor do they care; that is until their ox is being gored.
This is were you show your stupidity.Are these same corporations going to get subsidies from the government but still call it capitalism??:LMAO:LMAO
Show me in the constitution were it says corporations should get subsidies also.:LMAO:LMAONot going to happen but keep dreaming.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

The same piss-poor rationing draconian health care system that killed Natasha Richardson is the one the Marxist in Chief wants to import to the United States of America.



Do you drones not understand the "transformational shift" that is happening in your country?

WAKE UP!
OOPS You slipped up here. Your suppose to say OUR country instead of YOUR but at least your being honest about it for once.:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

This is were you show your stupidity.Are these same corporations going to get subsidies from the government but still call it capitalism??:LMAO:LMAO
Show me in the constitution were it says corporations should get subsidies also.:LMAO:LMAONot going to happen but keep dreaming.

So you literally create an alternative universe and then attack it pretending that's what I said.

Where did I say corporations should get subsidies from the government? And where is your proof Walmart currently is?

 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

So you literally create an alternative universe and then attack it pretending that's what I said.

Where did I say corporations should get subsidies from the government? And where is your proof Walmart currently is?

Um i just showed you were their employees get state insurance at the taxpayers expense.When they build a new supercenter they get tax breaks for 3 years while existing stores do not and the whole kicker is that the taxpayers pay for their new road here while they take their money to China and pay for new roads over there.
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Um i just showed you were their employees get state insurance at the taxpayers expense.When they build a new supercenter they get tax breaks for 3 years while existing stores do not and the whole kicker is that the taxpayers pay for their new road here while they take their money to China and pay for new roads over there.

Oh boy, I can't wait to see a credible mainstream link for your wheel barrel load of you-know-what.

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

At what taxpayer's expense?

Tax breaks for these large retailers don't come from the federal govt, they originate from local counties and states who believe companies like Walmart are good for their local economies and communities.

As a federalist, I don't have a problem with local govts providing tax breaks to different businesses, no more than I object to local govts providing their people with health care.

If the services suck and taxes become too high, the people always have the option of moving to another state or city.

That's the beauty of federalism -- and why Hussein's Marxist model of Kremlin-like centralized planning STINKS. 2938u4ji23

I am not making a case for/against any subsidy, only that the feds should stay out of it.

With respect to corporate taxes at the fed level, if a US corporation pays taxes overseas in the country they are located, that is a not "tax loophole" as Hussein alleges. You can't expect corporations to be double-taxed or they'll go bankrupt, which I know would be perfectly acceptable to the linchpin mobs on the left.

Moreover, it is asinine for corporations to pay any kind of tax (except property tax, subject to the discretion of local communities) since corporations are non-human entities. Even the most obnoxious union mouth breather can figure out that a tax levied on a corporation is simply passed on to the consumer, its shareholders, pensioners, employees etc.

A corporate tax is yet another HIDDEN tax on YOU THE INDIVIDUAL.

Currently, the US has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world.

Gee, maybe that's why the Walmarts are bleeding American jobs by manufacturing and importing their shit in China? Ever thought of that, Fidel?
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Oh boy, I can't wait to see a credible mainstream link for your wheel barrel load of you-know-what.

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

At what taxpayer's expense?

Tax breaks for these large retailers don't come from the federal govt, they originate from local counties and states who believe companies like Walmart are good for their local economies and communities.

As a federalist, I don't have a problem with local govts providing tax breaks to different businesses, no more than I object to local govts providing their people with health care.

If the services suck and taxes become too high, the people always have the option of moving to another state or city.

That's the beauty of federalism -- and why Hussein's Marxist model of Kremlin-like centralized planning STINKS. 2938u4ji23

I am not making a case for/against any subsidy, only that the feds should stay out of it.

With respect to corporate taxes at the fed level, if a US corporation pays taxes overseas in the country they are located, that is a not "tax loophole" as Hussein alleges. You can't expect corporations to be double-taxed or they'll go bankrupt, which I know would be perfectly acceptable to the linchpin mobs on the left.

Moreover, it is asinine for corporations to pay any kind of tax (except property tax, subject to the discretion of local communities) since corporations are non-human entities. Even the most obnoxious union mouth breather can figure out that a tax levied on a corporation is simply passed on to the consumer, its shareholders, pensioners, employees etc.

A corporate tax is yet another HIDDEN tax on YOU THE INDIVIDUAL.

Currently, the US has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world.

Gee, maybe that's why the Walmarts are bleeding American jobs by manufacturing and importing their shit in China? Ever thought of that, Fidel?
What a load of crap.If anyone believes this pile of garbage here then they must be living out of the united states.I won't even waste my time with this nonsense but if you think corporations are paying their full taxes then you are beyond help. Corporations are non-human entities???????:LMAO Find out who gives McDonalds over 500 million a year to advertise the big mac in China and India and get back to me when you are educated a little bit . The reason wal mart gets all their stuff from China is because the pay their workers .50 cents an hour..any more stupid questions??Maybe you think we should make that too and have the same living and working conditions as they do in China??:LMAO:LMAOWhat a fool
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

As a federalist, I don't have a problem with local govts providing tax breaks to different businesses, no more than I object to local govts providing their people with health care.
Good god and your the same person that has been screaming socialism and Marxism at every chance you get , and then you turn around and post this?????????:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
You truly are lost.Stick with what you know best...thats nothing:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Good god and your the same person that has been screaming socialism and Marxism at every chance you get , and then you turn around and post this?????????

Hey Doc, I don't care if San Fagsisco provides their citizens with socialized medicine legally because a) I know it won't work and b) people will move out of the city in droves which will expose the Marxist experiment for the failure it is.

Again, the beauty of federalism.

The danger is when this stuff is implemented at the federal level -- from which there is no escape except to flee the US altogether.

That is not how the Framers intended the system to be.

Educate yourself. :doh1
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Hey Doc, I don't care if San Fagsisco provides their citizens with socialized medicine legally because a) I know it won't work and b) people will move out of the city in droves which will expose the Marxist experiment for the failure it is.

Again, the beauty of federalism.

The danger is when this stuff is implemented at the federal level -- from which there is no escape except to flee the US altogether.

That is not how the Framers intended the system to be.

Educate yourself. :doh1
Nice backtrack but you are clearly still lost.Keep digging , you get funnier as the rants go on.:LMAO
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Nice backtrack but you are clearly still lost.Keep digging , you get funnier as the rants go on.:LMAO

And you keep making up outlandish shit without reputable links and hope everyone is stupid enough to swallow your Hussein-a-nated bullshit.

"If you make less than $250,000 a year, I won't raise your taxes"
-- B. Hussein Obama


Noooooo....of course not.

If you don't buy food, your taxes won't go up.

If you don't put gas in your car and heat and cool air in your home, your living expenses will remain status-quo.

As long as the water stays on their side of the bucket (the haves) you won't pay a red cent (have nots)!

And with that, ladies and gents, we have our first Marxist president. :doh1
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

And you keep making up outlandish shit without reputable links and hope everyone is stupid enough to swallow your Hussein-a-nated bullshit.

"If you make less than $250,000 a year, I won't raise your taxes"
-- B. Hussein Obama


Noooooo....of course not.

If you don't buy food, your taxes won't go up.

If you don't put gas in your car and heat and cool air in your home, your living expenses will remain status-quo.

As long as the water stays on their side of the bucket (the haves) you won't pay a red cent (have nots)!

And with that, ladies and gents, we have our first Marxist president. :doh1
I don't need links since this is all common knowledge and even if i did provide one you would not believe it since it did not come from Fox your master.Google wal mart's race to the bottom to get started on your education and no it's not Fox News so you might have to think outside the box for the first time in your life but give it a try.As far as the rest of your rant , well let's just leave it at that....another nonsense rant.
Hey it's Saturday so maybe you need to switch to the socialism chant instead of Marxism.Or is this communism day rant.
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

I don't need links since this is all common knowledge and even if i did provide one you would not believe it since it did not come from Fox your master.Google wal mart's race to the bottom to get started on your education and no it's not Fox News so you might have to think outside the box for the first time in your life but give it a try.As far as the rest of your rant , well let's just leave it at that....another nonsense rant.
Hey it's Saturday so maybe you need to switch to the socialism chant instead of Marxism.Or is this communism day rant.

Listen tank, I'm not a Wal-mart spokesman and don't have a bone to pick with the company the way you do. I think you've been watching too many "anti-Corporate America" wacko youtubes from the same producers who believe FEMA has a coffin inside a concentration camp with your name on it. :doh1

I simply stated corporations like Wal-mart and Costco should be in the health care business because it would drive down the price of health care -- basic supply/demand 101.

Instead, Hussein wants the opposite. In order to "control costs" he wants to limit supply which will drive up demand. Then, he will force the increased demand to wait in a queue for critical treatments -- assuming patients don't die like they do in Great Britain and Canada.

Wal-mart is an ancillary issue... a strawman you brought into the fold because you were getting your drone-ass handed to you in a debate -- again.

Let me know when you're ready to resume an intellectual honest debate about the type of government-run medicine that killed Natasha, which btw STINKS. 2938u4ji23

Remember, just because you're "covered" by "universal health care" doesn't mean you'll have access to it.
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Oops, forgot to mention Hussein's "universal health care" queue will include the millions upon millions of illegal aliens who have never paid a dime into the system.

I don't know about you, but Hussein's "compassion" is giving me warm fuzzies all over!

Take a number, suckers. 2938u4ji23

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tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Listen tank, I'm not a Wal-mart spokesman and don't have a bone to pick with the company the way you do. I think you've been watching too many "anti-Corporate America" wacko youtubes from the same producers who believe FEMA has a coffin inside a concentration camp with your name on it. :doh1

I simply stated corporations like Wal-mart and Costco should be in the health care business because it would drive down the price of health care -- basic supply/demand 101.

Instead, Hussein wants the opposite. In order to "control costs" he wants to limit supply which will drive up demand. Then, he will force the increased demand to wait in a queue for critical treatments -- assuming patients don't die like they do in Great Britain and Canada.

Wal-mart is an ancillary issue you brought into the fold because you were getting your drone-ass handed to you in a debate -- again.

Let me know when you're ready to resume an intellectual honest debate about the type of government-run medicine that killed Natasha, which btw STINKS. 2938u4ji23

Remember, just because you may be covered by "universal health care" doesn't mean you'll have access to it.
The reason you brought wal- mart in this was because it was Fox's talking point today.Now that you do not have them to give you the answers you seek, you want to resort to the usual scare tactics of what obama will do when no one knows that.Wait till Fox comes on so you can continue ''debating'' or spreading the word.It's pretty obvious!!Some day you will get it right but as usual today is not the day.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

Oops, forgot to mention Hussein's "universal health care" queue will include the millions upon millions of illegal aliens who have never paid a dime into the system.

I don't know about you, but Hussein's "compassion" is giving me warm fuzzies all over!

Take a number, suckers. 2938u4ji23

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They are already draining us.Instead of seeing a doctor they go to the emergency room were it costs 3 times as much and the taxpayers pick up the bill.
 
Re: Did so-called "universal health care" kill actress?

The reason you brought wal- mart in this was because it was Fox's talking point today.Now that you do not have them to give you the answers you seek, you want to resort to the usual scare tactics of what obama will do when no one knows that.Wait till Fox comes on so you can continue ''debating'' or spreading the word.It's pretty obvious!!Some day you will get it right but as usual today is not the day.

Stop putting up strawmen. I know what I posted before you went on a Chomsky'esque rampage:

I'm tired of government red tape preventing "evil, greedy corporations" like Walmart and Costco from opening cheap top quality one-stop medical service clinics in their current stores.

http://forums.eog.com/2142304-post10.html

Does Costco suck too?
 
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