"Lebrons Supporting Cast is better than Kobes"

Seymour

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One thing about them is Kobe has been at this level for a long time and never really took it up to a Jordan like level - he's been great for a while but hasn't gotten any better - Lebron looks like he's going to be the greatest player of all time - whether than happens - who knows
 

diogee

Verly isnt going anywhere
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he should have made it. Not that hard a shot, lebron did the work for him.
I wouldn't call it an easy shot...he had to run to the ball, leap, and shoot it mid air from just in front of the 3 pt line with a man in his face. All at the same time.

Don't get why you kick out for the 3 instead of driving LeBron inside.
 

mofome

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One thing about them is Kobe has been at this level for a long time and never really took it up to a Jordan like level - he's been great for a while but hasn't gotten any better - Lebron looks like he's going to be the greatest player of all time - whether than happens - who knows


Lebron gave boston a harder time last year than kobe did. Lebron is on a different level. Kobe lost Shaq and.....that was it for him.
 

mofome

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I wouldn't call it an easy shot...he had to run to the ball, leap, and shoot it mid air from just in front of the 3 pt line with a man in his face. All at the same time.

Don't get why you kick out for the 3 instead of driving LeBron inside.

Eh, its really not that hard a shot without anyone near you. He didnt have a hand in his face, that was a clean look, he wasnt really running anywhere, he was standing and moved a bit and had a wide open look courtesy of lebron. he should make it....but hes not a very good player.
 
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diogee - exactly...lebron doesn't know how to close so he didn't take it himself. :(
 

Seymour

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Lebron is really hard to rate - I would call Billups, Kobe, Pierce and Manu cold blooded - I'm not so sure I would call Lebron that - it's time to stop passing in the last minute
 

mofome

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Lebron is really hard to rate - I would call Billups, Kobe, Pierce and Manu cold blooded - I'm not so sure I would call Lebron that - it's time to stop passing in the last minute


I think thats funny. Thank you for that.


I suppose if rashard Lewis hadnt made the 3, then lebrons shot prior to that would have been cold blooded? When he took it to the hole, got fouled, made the shot, and made the ft?

yeah
 
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lebron doesn't close yet unfortunately. that's what makes kobe better still.
 

diogee

Verly isnt going anywhere
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Eh, its really not that hard a shot without anyone near you. He didnt have a hand in his face, that was a clean look, he wasnt really running anywhere, he was standing and moved a bit and had a wide open look courtesy of lebron. he should make it....but hes not a very good player.
Had the guy with the mask (no idea who it is) right there with him and was basically a 3 pt shot leaping sideways with no chance to set his feet. Best possible execution of the play with 1 second left but no way I could call it a high % shot. That can be questioned person by person depending on perception of a high % shot.

Still don't like the 3 pt attempt down by 1 when you have plenty of time left to find a good look inside.
 

Seymour

EOG Dedicated
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I don't want him to make a shot in the last minute - I want see him take and make the last 4 shots of every playoff game - I'm not disputing that he's the best overall player in the league but he does not break the other team's heart the way people like Bird and Jordan did.
 

mofome

Banned
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Had the guy with the mask (no idea who it is) right there with him and was basically a 3 pt shot leaping sideways with no chance to set his feet. Best possible execution of the play with 1 second left but no way I could call it a high % shot. That can be questioned person by person depending on perception of a high % shot.

Still don't like the 3 pt attempt down by 1 when you have plenty of time left to find a good look inside.


The lane was clogged and clev has no one else who can get their own shot. thats the problem with going inside. lebron had an entire team on him, he did everything he could for the entire game. he is so fucking good that its ridiculous. he is the best player in the league by far. he has people believing that the clowns he plays with are good. he has a coach of the year award in the trophy case of mr coach brown. he is everything for that team. 100% of it.
 

mofome

Banned
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I don't want him to make a shot in the last minute - I want see him take and make the last 4 shots of every playoff game - I'm not disputing that he's the best overall player in the league but he does not break the other team's heart the way people like Bird and Jordan did.


yes but kobe and billips and manu and all of them dont do that. i dont know what your point really is, but none of them were ever the focus of a defense in the way that lebron is. kobe should have been in his prime over the last few years, why cant he win it all? Isnt he cold blooded enough? You just ran down a few people who were surrounded by hall of famers, thats ridiculous, if i may say so.

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Seymour

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Last night when Denver was down 4 and Billups stepped out of bounds and took the 3 - as he shot it I knew it was going in - when I see Lebron in the last minute I just think of him forcing a drive (yes, I understand he has 2-3 players on him at this point)
 

Seymour

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Yeah, its tough to say because Lebron does have the other teams entire attention
 

mofome

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Last night when Denver was down 4 and Billups stepped out of bounds and took the 3 - as he shot it I knew it was going in - when I see Lebron in the last minute I just think of him forcing a drive (yes, I understand he has 2-3 players on him at this point)


I wont laugh because you're the man, but jesus christ, are you kidding me? Billups team blew a win they had, billups hit a shot that didnt give his team the lead or do anything really, and billups didnt carry an entire team for 48 minutes....and billups didnt have 3 people on him....and never ever has.

How you can author that an..


eh nvm

love ya buddy
 

mofome

Banned
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The officials sure loved themselves some wade as well.
 

Seymour

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I don't know how to describe it but there is something about Lebron that reminds me of David Robinson - but if the Cavs win this year he is the best player - period - end of discussion
 
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seymour - i think you agree that lebron doesn't know how to finish yet. until then, he is not better then kobe.
 

Seymour

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Hey, if you asked me if I could take any player in the league right now and make him 25 and I could start my team with him - I could care less if I got Lebron, Kobe, TD, Shaq or Ming (I'm one that believes your best chance to win is with a top shelf 7 footer)
 

Seymour

EOG Dedicated
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seymour - i think you agree that lebron doesn't know how to finish yet. until then, he is not better then kobe.

I just think it's pretty hard to say - remember that Detroit and the C's both were able to slow Kobe down
 

babaoriley

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I can't even believe this is an argument. Lebron is vastly superior to Kobe in virtually every aspect of the game. This is silly. So far, Kobe has been the 3rd, maybe 4th best player in these playoffs. Lebron dominated the regular season and has dominated the playoffs thus far. Thanks to his play, none of the 8 previous playoff games even had the potential for a game winning shot. To say he doesn't "break the hearts" of opposing teams is just plain silly. He shattered Detroit and Atlanta with efficiency and precision. 8 games won by double digits, 4 of them on the road, all played with a useless supporting cast (on offense). Kobe is a fantastic scorer but Lebron is vastly superior to him as a player.
 

choslamshe

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my two cents....

if i wanted either one to take the final shot of a game to win the championship, it would definately be Kobe

If i wanted either one to facilitate and lead my offence on a nightly basis, it would definately be Lebron

Lebron's athleticism is his greatest asset and is responsible for a large percentage of his offensive output. When he develops that Jordanesque instinct to be a clutch shooter, like Kobe is often...he will be the best, hands down.

Lebron's shot has improved so much over the last year or two, and will continue obviously.

And yes, LA's supporting cast is far superior to the Cavs!!
 

babaoriley

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my two cents....

if i wanted either one to take the final shot of a game to win the championship, it would definately be Kobe

If i wanted either one to facilitate and lead my offence on a nightly basis, it would definately be Lebron

Lebron's athleticism is his greatest asset and is responsible for a large percentage of his offensive output. When he develops that Jordanesque instinct to be a clutch shooter, like Kobe is often...he will be the best, hands down.

Lebron's shot has improved so much over the last year or two, and will continue obviously.

And yes, LA's supporting cast is far superior to the Cavs!!

You got a new avatar...

Yes, this is a good post. At this point, I'd take Lebron for the first 47:30 and Kobe for the last :30. Then again, if Lebron had a Paxson/Kerr type shooter, this would all be a moot point. As someone else pointed out in this thread, all you can ask is for a perimeter player to get an open shot. As an NBA player, you should be able to make that shot much more often than you miss it. Two of MJ's most defining moments of his career were his dishes to Paxson (to win the '93 title in game 6 in Phoenix) and to Kerr (Game 6, '97 finals against Utah), both title clinchers that, if missed would have resulted in game 7's where anything can happen.

Also, had Lewis missed that 3 (i.e. had Cleveland had a Pippen-like Spiderman to defend him) then the game capsule would have looked a lot like this:

97 Finals Game 6 Wikipedia entry:
Michael Jordan was not fully recovered from the flu, but was feeling much better and led the Bulls with 39 points. Chicago struggled in the first half scoring just 37 points and 9 of 27 from 2 point range. With the Bulls struggling in the third quarter Michael Jordan dunked after a steal, bringing the crowd to its feet and Jud Buechler buried a great 3 point shot to help give the Bulls the momentum. The Bulls trailed by 9 points early in the fourth quarter but went on a 10-0 run to take their first lead since the opening minutes when Steve Kerr hit a 3-pointer, but the Jazz would regain the lead and the game will remain one possession until the final score. In the final minutes, Jordan's fadeaway on the baseline put the Bulls up by 3, before Bryon Russell hit a three-pointer to tie the game at 86-86. The two teams would fail to score on their next possessions. With 28 seconds left after Shandon Anderson missed a reverse layup, the Jazz expected Jordan to take the final shot. Instead, Jordan passed off to Steve Kerr, who hit a jumper with 5 seconds left to send the United Center crowd into a frenzy. The Jazz looked for one final shot to stay alive, but Scottie Pippen made a massive defensive play as he knocked away Bryon Russell's inbound pass intended for Shandon Anderson and was able to pass the ball over to Toni Kukoc, who dunked the final 2 points of the game before the roaring crowd to bring the Finals to an end. Afterwards, Jordan was named the NBA Finals MVP.
 

babaoriley

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You better fucking believe I'm bumping this thread throughout the playoffs. Identity, by your logic, Lebron just took the title of "Best player" from Kobe, yes?
 

Mr.Bartender

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i dont think its fair to compare Lebron and his cast to Kobe's. How many championships does LA have in the past 30 years.

And how many does Cleveland have?

Lebron has transformed the cleveland cavaliers from a non contention team, to one that is championship caliber.

Kobe was give the keys to a franchise that rained championships often.

Kobe is a stud, and a great closer, but what Lebron has done to basketball and the cleveland cavs himself, is nothing short of a miracle.

Cleveland needs some serious bench support, they are going to have their hands full in Orlando.

I do not agree that the winner of this years champioonship is the better player however. Its like comparing apples and oranges when adding in the constants of supporting casts.
 

choslamshe

EOG Master
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Lebron's struggles from the free throw line in ALL situations is one area where he doesn't compare to Kobe
 
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Huge Orlando Magic fan here with an objective opinion on Kobe/LeBron. Kobe has a far superior supporting cast. No doubt about it, Gasol, Odom, and hell, Bynum are better than anyone on Cleveland. As for who is better, Kobe or LeBron, I'm going to say Kobe is until LeBron can win one title. You don't brick two free throws with your team down six with two minutes left in the game and claim to be the best in the leauge. Kobe wouldn't do it and Jordan never did.

Orlando matches up very poorly with L.A., so if they manage to get by the Cavs (which I still don't think will happen), L.A. to win the series will be my entire sportsbook account. I'm serious, the Lakers WILL win it all this year -- bank on it.
 
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Orlando matches up poorly with L.A.? That's why LA lost twice to them this year.
 
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They do matchup poorly with L.A. Cleveland doesn't have size, L.A. does. Look, I hope I'm wrong because like I said I'm a huge Magic fan. But lets be real, L.A. is like Cleveland with more size and more skill players. Orlando can't take them in a playoff series, regular season doesn't mean jack.
 

alkoholiks

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Kobe isn't as good as lebron, simple as that. Lebron was guarded by an entire team and got his guy a wide open shot to win. Then he got the rebound and got his team another wide open shot to win. Hes the best.

why did lebron miss back to back FT's in the 4th?
 

alkoholiks

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better yet, why didn't lebron throw his team on his back when it counted? 1-8 behind the arc? solid.

dont get me wrong. im a huge lebron fan and think he's the face of the NBA for many years to come. he is the future of this league. however, current time, kobe is the best we got in the NBA. absolutely cold blooded killer in the 4th. who do you want closing a game right now? kobe or lebron? ill take kobe anyday of the week.

obviously a subjective response.
 

hotpiks78

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better yet, why didn't lebron throw his team on his back when it counted? 1-8 behind the arc? solid.

dont get me wrong. im a huge lebron fan and think he's the face of the NBA for many years to come. he is the future of this league. however, current time, kobe is the best we got in the NBA. absolutely cold blooded killer in the 4th. who do you want closing a game right now? kobe or lebron? ill take kobe anyday of the week.

obviously a subjective response.
ofcourse kobe is a better shooter than lebron, and he gets to the rim when ever he wants it seems . i fear kobe more. but lebron is great, i dont take anything away from him. at the end of the game kobe thinks he is playing in his backyard pretending to be micheal jordan lol
 

babaoriley

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Lebron's struggles from the free throw line in ALL situations is one area where he doesn't compare to Kobe

Hmm... You mean like a situation where Cleveland is down 2 with 0.5 seconds to go in a game that basically decides the season and Lebron hits both to send it into OT?

Let's just stop with Kobe vs. Lebron. First it was "Kobe's a better closer", then Lebron hits that ridiculous 3 to keep his team from going down 2-0. Now it's this nonsense...
 

babaoriley

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Lebron's supporting cast is fucking laughably bad. Some of you don't understand how difficult it is to be this good with these shitty teammates.
 

babaoriley

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With 21 seconds left, James has 41-12-7 with about 5 assists left off the board thanks to missed open shots from West and Williams.
 

babaoriley

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better yet, why didn't lebron throw his team on his back when it counted? 1-8 behind the arc? solid.

dont get me wrong. im a huge lebron fan and think he's the face of the NBA for many years to come. he is the future of this league. however, current time, kobe is the best we got in the NBA. absolutely cold blooded killer in the 4th. who do you want closing a game right now? kobe or lebron? ill take kobe anyday of the week.

obviously a subjective response.

Yes, that Lakers avatar of yours does ooze subjectivity when weighing in on Lebron vs. Kobe.
 
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