ONLINE BLKJACK
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I shouldn't answer this as I have often played online blackjack...sometimes to good success, sometimes to horrific failure.
This is strictly opinion, conjecture...but I believe the answer is yes, it is rigged. By that I mean that I do not generally believe that the cards are truly random. I've simply experienced too many hands that were obvious double down hands (9, 10, 11 vs 5 or 6), get a 19 or 20, and the dealer turns his hand into a winning hand. I've had good winning streaks but also bad losing streaks where the dealer will win 9, 10 hands in a row. I've won by not hitting a 12-16 hand against a 10 showing, to see the dealer's hole card be a 2-6 and the next card out is a ten-face card. Sometimes it seems like you can win by deliberately NOT playing to optimum strategy, as if the software expects you to do something with a certain hand and you win by not doing what is expected.
My best strategy for playing online blackjack is to play very short term sessions. Blackjack is usually an up and down game, the longer you play the more likely you are to have the house's edge eventually take your bankroll. Play just enough hands to get up by a hand or two, then quit. Sometimes I'll log right out, and then log right back in again and do the same thing. I'm sure this is stupid, but I wonder sometimes if the software doesn't entice the player by letting them win a few early hands and then slowly take it back the longer you play. Of course, if you hit an early bad streak, quit and walk away and come back another time. If you quit a session while you are ahead (even if only by a unit or two), hopefully eventually your bankroll builds up, you can increase your bet size, and continue on.
Everyone may now feel free to blast away at me....
I shouldn't answer this as I have often played online blackjack...sometimes to good success, sometimes to horrific failure.
This is strictly opinion, conjecture...but I believe the answer is yes, it is rigged. By that I mean that I do not generally believe that the cards are truly random. I've simply experienced too many hands that were obvious double down hands (9, 10, 11 vs 5 or 6), get a 19 or 20, and the dealer turns his hand into a winning hand. I've had good winning streaks but also bad losing streaks where the dealer will win 9, 10 hands in a row. I've won by not hitting a 12-16 hand against a 10 showing, to see the dealer's hole card be a 2-6 and the next card out is a ten-face card. Sometimes it seems like you can win by deliberately NOT playing to optimum strategy, as if the software expects you to do something with a certain hand and you win by not doing what is expected.
My best strategy for playing online blackjack is to play very short term sessions. Blackjack is usually an up and down game, the longer you play the more likely you are to have the house's edge eventually take your bankroll. Play just enough hands to get up by a hand or two, then quit. Sometimes I'll log right out, and then log right back in again and do the same thing. I'm sure this is stupid, but I wonder sometimes if the software doesn't entice the player by letting them win a few early hands and then slowly take it back the longer you play. Of course, if you hit an early bad streak, quit and walk away and come back another time. If you quit a session while you are ahead (even if only by a unit or two), hopefully eventually your bankroll builds up, you can increase your bet size, and continue on.
Everyone may now feel free to blast away at me....
mr merlin
EOG Master
Re: ONLINE BLKJACK
Yes, it is rigged, and if you continue to play you will get hooked and they will fleece you. The good news is that they will let you win at first, expect even a big win, later on they will clean your clock. Do an experiment if you want, bet the smallest unit possible and watch the pleasant results, then bump your bet way up and watch what happens.
Yes, it is rigged, and if you continue to play you will get hooked and they will fleece you. The good news is that they will let you win at first, expect even a big win, later on they will clean your clock. Do an experiment if you want, bet the smallest unit possible and watch the pleasant results, then bump your bet way up and watch what happens.
KingRevolver
Born Rambler
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This has come up a lot in the past and the consensus always is: stay away!
This has come up a lot in the past and the consensus always is: stay away!
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No it's not rigged. You used to be able to make bank on the bonuses online casinos offered. Now any +EV bonuses are only found at shady casinos. I've seen a couple at Bookmaker here and there, Players Only used to have $200 a week that was worth about $180+EV If it was rigged they could offer great bonuses and just make sure you couldn't win. Now they have to change their bonuses to prevent "bonus abuse" and make blackjack not count towards bonus rollover. If they rigged it, they would make more offering juicy bonuses then just steal the money..
No it's not rigged. You used to be able to make bank on the bonuses online casinos offered. Now any +EV bonuses are only found at shady casinos. I've seen a couple at Bookmaker here and there, Players Only used to have $200 a week that was worth about $180+EV If it was rigged they could offer great bonuses and just make sure you couldn't win. Now they have to change their bonuses to prevent "bonus abuse" and make blackjack not count towards bonus rollover. If they rigged it, they would make more offering juicy bonuses then just steal the money..
dancingkarma
EOG Member
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Definitely rigged...ive lost as much as 15 hands in a row....i think it depends on the hour. My advice even though I always lose is that you have to keep on switching tables. Its tough though
Definitely rigged...ive lost as much as 15 hands in a row....i think it depends on the hour. My advice even though I always lose is that you have to keep on switching tables. Its tough though
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I'd like to add my "two cents". As far as I can tell, the Blackjack on Microgaming Casinos (they don't take US players anymore), Player's Only, Sports Interaction and BETUS is NOT rigged. I've played through blackjack bonuses $1 at a time on all 3 sites, and the results (you are only supposed to lose ~0.5% using correct basic strategy) are very close to expectation. Oh, I left out, I've played at least $50,000 worth of BJ on those sites (yes, $1 at a time, but over a period of about 4 years. In a process known as "bonus whoring").
However, there is 1 known rigged blackjack game on one unreputable casino; I forget which one it is though - I think it is BETED (which is confusing, because BETUS is OK, but BETED is not). I saw suspicion of this on another website forum, and the guy who runs it has a lot of credibility. But the ones I listed should be OK.
I'd like to add my "two cents". As far as I can tell, the Blackjack on Microgaming Casinos (they don't take US players anymore), Player's Only, Sports Interaction and BETUS is NOT rigged. I've played through blackjack bonuses $1 at a time on all 3 sites, and the results (you are only supposed to lose ~0.5% using correct basic strategy) are very close to expectation. Oh, I left out, I've played at least $50,000 worth of BJ on those sites (yes, $1 at a time, but over a period of about 4 years. In a process known as "bonus whoring").
However, there is 1 known rigged blackjack game on one unreputable casino; I forget which one it is though - I think it is BETED (which is confusing, because BETUS is OK, but BETED is not). I saw suspicion of this on another website forum, and the guy who runs it has a lot of credibility. But the ones I listed should be OK.
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Kindred, I used to make so much bank on the Weekly deposit $200 for $200 bonus on Player's only it was so ridiculous. Was cashing out $1000 checks every month. How I miss those days. Player's Only blackjack is DEFINITELY FAIR, that's the one I've played the most.
Kindred, I used to make so much bank on the Weekly deposit $200 for $200 bonus on Player's only it was so ridiculous. Was cashing out $1000 checks every month. How I miss those days. Player's Only blackjack is DEFINITELY FAIR, that's the one I've played the most.
Re: ONLINE BLKJACK
Losing 15 hands in a row is completely normal.
Switching tables does nothing, you are very superstitious.
Losing 15 hands in a row is completely normal.
Switching tables does nothing, you are very superstitious.
mr merlin
EOG Master
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No dumbass, losing 15 hands in a a row is almost impossible at a real table,odds are millions to one against...it's rigged.
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Nice I wasn't the only one, that was the easiest money I've ever found gambling, every week they were offering free cash. Their BJ is definitely fair, and that bonus was awesome.
Nice I wasn't the only one, that was the easiest money I've ever found gambling, every week they were offering free cash. Their BJ is definitely fair, and that bonus was awesome.
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This has kind of been my experience. If I'm betting $1 a hand, I seem to win a lot. If I lose a bunch of hands in a row, I tend to increase my bet hoping to win back all my losses in a single hand. Sometimes this works, sometimes not. But inevitably greed and stupidity take over my brain...my first increased bet doesn't win, might lose another 3 or 4 hands straight, increase bet, losing continues. I continue to increase my bet, continue to lose. It does seem that as the bet size gets bigger, the chance of losing continues to increase. It's almost as if they lure you in with all the wins, then detect when you've upped the bet significantly and deal you a bunch of guaranteed losers in a row. I've spent days building a $20 deposit into $400-$600, and lost it all in a matter of minutes.
This has kind of been my experience. If I'm betting $1 a hand, I seem to win a lot. If I lose a bunch of hands in a row, I tend to increase my bet hoping to win back all my losses in a single hand. Sometimes this works, sometimes not. But inevitably greed and stupidity take over my brain...my first increased bet doesn't win, might lose another 3 or 4 hands straight, increase bet, losing continues. I continue to increase my bet, continue to lose. It does seem that as the bet size gets bigger, the chance of losing continues to increase. It's almost as if they lure you in with all the wins, then detect when you've upped the bet significantly and deal you a bunch of guaranteed losers in a row. I've spent days building a $20 deposit into $400-$600, and lost it all in a matter of minutes.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
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Tough crowd...but I can honestly say that I personally thought that some things in online casinos were not kosher....I have never played any table game online....
But I must say that the live casino option at BetPhoenix is a pretty amazing option with live dealers....suggest you take a look....
Tough crowd...but I can honestly say that I personally thought that some things in online casinos were not kosher....I have never played any table game online....
But I must say that the live casino option at BetPhoenix is a pretty amazing option with live dealers....suggest you take a look....
OLDSANDBAGGER
EOG Senior Member
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Purplepat you relate experiences that make me smile and groan remembering my own. You are spot on. I could win 7 days in a row when I bet small, building up a profit if a few hundred dollars. Then the next day it went so fast it felt like a mugging! Add playing later at night and alcohol and it is almost scripted what will happen to you.
I do believe this is more due to the laws of probability and greed than to rigging but whatever the reason I finally gave up and asked each of my books to block me. I miss the thrill of winning many nights but sure don?t miss those morning after recriminations thinking how the Hell could I do that...AGAIN!
I would add that the same thing can happen to you in a land based casino with live dealers but there is one big difference. Hitting the enter amount button on the computer is much easier than opening your wallet again and again and pulling out bills. Bottom line, bet sports. Even if you lose it takes 2-3 hours and you aren?t pressing every 30 seconds.
Purplepat you relate experiences that make me smile and groan remembering my own. You are spot on. I could win 7 days in a row when I bet small, building up a profit if a few hundred dollars. Then the next day it went so fast it felt like a mugging! Add playing later at night and alcohol and it is almost scripted what will happen to you.
I do believe this is more due to the laws of probability and greed than to rigging but whatever the reason I finally gave up and asked each of my books to block me. I miss the thrill of winning many nights but sure don?t miss those morning after recriminations thinking how the Hell could I do that...AGAIN!
I would add that the same thing can happen to you in a land based casino with live dealers but there is one big difference. Hitting the enter amount button on the computer is much easier than opening your wallet again and again and pulling out bills. Bottom line, bet sports. Even if you lose it takes 2-3 hours and you aren?t pressing every 30 seconds.
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yes their all rigged. blackjackand the worst is craps. i stick to the pass or dont pass which are the best bets and if you play the dont the 7 or 11 will kill u. if you have money on pass u never hit a point. unreal streaks to take your money. stay away unless u like to lose money
yes their all rigged. blackjackand the worst is craps. i stick to the pass or dont pass which are the best bets and if you play the dont the 7 or 11 will kill u. if you have money on pass u never hit a point. unreal streaks to take your money. stay away unless u like to lose money
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Don't know if online BJ is rigged or not. Never played.
But I would bet that the (BJ rules + imperfect play + a bad run) lead to concluding a game is rigged a lot more than any actual "rigging."
Don't know if online BJ is rigged or not. Never played.
But I would bet that the (BJ rules + imperfect play + a bad run) lead to concluding a game is rigged a lot more than any actual "rigging."
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I agree with our resident gadfly/curmudgeon.
I agree with our resident gadfly/curmudgeon.
William Lee
Banned
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Everything said here happens in a live casino vs a real dealer as well. I won over a $1000 at you wager.com's blackjack game playing $20 per hand 3 days in a row. If you play all the time you will see a pattern in online though. Now if it was fixed I would've never won the second day never less the third. But remember their might be a glitch in the software that you can take advantage of. What I do is if I lose a few hands in a row I quickly log off and then log back on.
Everything said here happens in a live casino vs a real dealer as well. I won over a $1000 at you wager.com's blackjack game playing $20 per hand 3 days in a row. If you play all the time you will see a pattern in online though. Now if it was fixed I would've never won the second day never less the third. But remember their might be a glitch in the software that you can take advantage of. What I do is if I lose a few hands in a row I quickly log off and then log back on.
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One thing that I've heard live casinos do in blackjack is to add extra 5's to the deck. 5's help the dealer more than the player. One time a guy was playing single deck blackjack and he got two 5 of clubs in his hand, proving they added an extra 5 to the single deck - but that was like 30 years ago. I don't think that goes on at reputable land casinos but maybe the smaller iffy ones still do that?
One thing that I've heard live casinos do in blackjack is to add extra 5's to the deck. 5's help the dealer more than the player. One time a guy was playing single deck blackjack and he got two 5 of clubs in his hand, proving they added an extra 5 to the single deck - but that was like 30 years ago. I don't think that goes on at reputable land casinos but maybe the smaller iffy ones still do that?
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I misread the initial comment - my bad. I thought he was talking about being down 15 units after flat betting - and that is normal.
Yeah, losing 15 in a row is suspicious. Any people in here who can tell us the exact odds of that happening, say on a 6 deck, Dealer stands on Soft 17 standard type game? As a first guess, I suppose if the odds of winning a blackjack hand are 50% then that would be 1/2^15= 1/32768 ?
And yeah, there are 1 or 2 online casinos that even TheWizardofOdds has said are probably rigged; it's still my contention that the vast majority are not.
I misread the initial comment - my bad. I thought he was talking about being down 15 units after flat betting - and that is normal.
Yeah, losing 15 in a row is suspicious. Any people in here who can tell us the exact odds of that happening, say on a 6 deck, Dealer stands on Soft 17 standard type game? As a first guess, I suppose if the odds of winning a blackjack hand are 50% then that would be 1/2^15= 1/32768 ?
And yeah, there are 1 or 2 online casinos that even TheWizardofOdds has said are probably rigged; it's still my contention that the vast majority are not.
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give it a try mr jones for a week straight. play an hour a day at 20 dollars a hand. then tell me how much you won or lost. it wont be pretty. i use perfect strategy in my game. give er a try and then get back to us lol
give it a try mr jones for a week straight. play an hour a day at 20 dollars a hand. then tell me how much you won or lost. it wont be pretty. i use perfect strategy in my game. give er a try and then get back to us lol
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Why would I play at some Banana Del Sur online casino when I have Blackjack all around me?
In fact, why would I even play perfect Basic Strategy Blackjack. It's still minus EV. There's gotta be some advantage to the BJ game you're playing or there is no reason to play it other than for recreation.
Why would I play at some Banana Del Sur online casino when I have Blackjack all around me?
In fact, why would I even play perfect Basic Strategy Blackjack. It's still minus EV. There's gotta be some advantage to the BJ game you're playing or there is no reason to play it other than for recreation.
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Rigged, it doesn't have to be. DGS software has 3 options:
a 6 deck play up to three hands and the deck is shuffled every round
a 8 decks thats pays 3/2 and is shuffled every round
a single deck that pays 6/5 and is shuffled every time.
How can you beat that? .
Rigged, it doesn't have to be. DGS software has 3 options:
a 6 deck play up to three hands and the deck is shuffled every round
a 8 decks thats pays 3/2 and is shuffled every round
a single deck that pays 6/5 and is shuffled every time.
How can you beat that? .
