The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
BETHLEHEM, Pa. -- In the NFL?s often unforgiving circle of life, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid has been handed a rare second opportunity -- a chance to hit the refresh button on his team and his career.

And there he was on the first day of training camp at Lehigh University, in his usual command position on the practice field, about 50 yards behind the middle linebacker, all alone, looking at his own reincarnation.

Gone was Donovan McNabb -- Reid?s first training camp in his 12-year head coaching career without the quarterback he drafted in the first round in 1999.

Gone was Brian Westbrook -- the veteran running back who provided much of the late-game heroics and pyrotechnics that often bailed out the Eagles and their head coach.

And there were all the new faces, including Kevin Kolb, who will have the fewest career starts -- just two -- of any prospective starting quarterback in the NFC this year. In all, the Eagles jettisoned 14 players from their 2009 roster -- more than any team in the league.

<cite>Howard Smith/US Presswire</cite>Kevin Kolb takes over at quarterback for the departed Donovan McNabb.


When the veterans arrive on Thursday, there will be 32 new players in camp.

How green are these Eagles? The training camp roster boasts only one non-kicker over the age of 30, the fewest in the NFL.

"There?s a little bit of unknown, which I kind of like," said Reid of his new team, average age 24.1 years old. "I like that."

Now, there is a first. The NFL?s head coaches -- among the planet?s greatest control artists -- rarely embrace the unknown, or at least admit it in public.

Assessing his rebuilt roster, Reid called it "a great challenge." What might be more challenging is convincing his championship-starved fan base that this roster overhaul can work. In Philadelphia, with McNabb now playing for the division-rival Washington Redskins, and so much inexperience wearing midnight green this season, there is little love of the unknown created by Reid.

More like fear.

And that translates into one thing: a whole lot of pressure on Reid. Yes, the head coach was given a three-year contract extension in December. But now failure to bring a Super Bowl title to Philadelphia can no longer be blamed on McNabb?s shortcomings, Westbrook?s injuries or aging veterans such as Brian Dawkins who are long gone.

It?s on Reid now.

"There are some big-name players that have been proven players on this football team that aren?t here," said Reid. "It?s important that the young guys step up and they go."

If they don?t, it will be difficult to try to peddle to Eagles fans that the team was victimized by inexperience. Going young was the franchise decision.

With new general manager Howie Roseman presiding and team president Joe Banner still holding the purse strings, Reid has been given the opportunity to make another run at the Super Bowl with a completely rebuilt team. That doesn?t happen very often in the NFL.

For a similar example, you have to go back to the 15-year Bill Cowher era of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cowher went to the Super Bowl with quarterback Neil O?Donnell in 1995. That was Cowher?s fourth year on the job. But the Rooney family allowed him to change franchise quarterbacks twice -- Kordell Stewart and Ben Roethlisberger -- before Cowher finally got back to the Super Bowl and won it with "Big Ben" in 2005. That represents an unheard of 10-year gap.

The difference between what happened in the two Keystone State cities is this: The Rooneys had already won four Super Bowl titles in the 1970s, so the fan base in the Steel City had faith that they could do it again. Eagles owner Jeff Lurie and Banner are now in the 15th year in control of the Eagles without a championship.

Reid has now coached the Eagles in 176 regular-season games -- that?s fifth all-time among NFL head coaches who have coached the most games with one team without winning a Super Bowl. Bud Grant is first with 259 games with the Minnesota Vikings. Jeff Fisher is second with the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans with 235. Third is Dan Reeves with 184 with the Denver Broncos and Marv Levy is fourth with 182 with the Buffalo Bills.

This season, Reid will pass Reeves and Levy on that list -- making him third all-time with one team without hoisting the Lombardi trophy. That?s an ignominious achievement.

And remember, Philly is not Nashville or Minneapolis. In other words, it?s not known for its southern charm or Midwest stoicism. Here, the fans are outspoken about running out of patience.

The last NFL title in Philadelphia was a half-century ago. In fact, there will be constant reminders of that this season. The Eagles are celebrating the 1960 championship team with year-long festivities, beginning with a Week 1 game at Lincoln Financial Field between the Eagles and the team they beat to win the championship 50 years ago, the Green Bay Packers.

So, against the backdrop of Reid?s roster purge in 2010, fans will be reveling in the team?s glory years and wondering if they will ever return.

That?s Andy Reid?s total responsibility now. The decks have been cleared of all the other excuses or reasons for failure. Brand new team, same old coach. So, the greatest remaining unknown is this: Can Reid pull it off?


<table class="data-table1" id="schedule-release-table-team1" style="margin-bottom: 10px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><thead><tr class="thd1 PHIcolors"><td colspan="5">Philadelphia Eagles 2010 Schedule</td></tr> <tr class="thd2"><td>Wk</td><td>Date</td><td>Matchup</td><td>TV</td><td>Time</td></tr> </thead> <tbody id="schedule-release-tbody-team1"><tr class="tbdy1"><td>1</td><td>Sun, Sept. 12</td><td>vs. Green Bay Packers</td><td>FOX</td><td>4:15 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>2</td><td>Sun, Sept. 19</td><td>at Detroit Lions</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>3</td><td>Sun, Sept. 26</td><td>at Jacksonville Jaguars</td><td>FOX</td><td>4:05 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>4</td><td>Sun, Oct. 3</td><td>vs. Washington Redskins</td><td>FOX</td><td>4:15 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>5</td><td>Sun, Oct. 10</td><td>at San Francisco 49ers</td><td>NBC</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>6</td><td>Sun, Oct. 17</td><td>vs. Atlanta Falcons</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>7</td><td>Sun, Oct. 24</td><td>at Tennessee Titans</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>8</td><td colspan="4">Bye</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>9</td><td>Sun, Nov. 7</td><td>vs. Indianapolis Colts</td><td>CBS</td><td>4:15 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>10</td><td>Mon, Nov. 15</td><td>at Washington Redskins</td><td>ESPN</td><td>8:30 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>11</td><td>Sun, Nov. 21</td><td>vs. New York Giants</td><td>NBC</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>12</td><td>Sun, Nov. 28</td><td>at Chicago Bears</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>13</td><td>Thu, Dec. 2</td><td>vs. Houston Texans</td><td>NFLN</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>14</td><td>Sun, Dec. 12</td><td>at Dallas Cowboys</td><td>NBC</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>15</td><td>Sun, Dec. 19</td><td>at New York Giants</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>16</td><td>Sun, Dec. 26</td><td>vs. Minnesota Vikings</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>17</td><td>Sun, Jan. 2</td><td>vs. Dallas Cowboys</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr></tbody></table>
 

ballwonder

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Eagles get clobbered this year along with the skins.
 

roach23

Banned
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Rebuilding but have a shot to make the playoffs.
 

pickmonsters

EOG Member
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

i say they are reloading .. come CLOSE to making a wildcard spot, b/c their division is the toughest in the NFC
 

bernardoincr

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

8-8 is the best they can hope for. reid has, what's left of a football brain,
up his ass. philly fans will not be happy freezing their balls watching an
inefficient team
 

Wilson

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

all gonna depend on kolb's performance...
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

in my personal opinion you keep vick in there right now.he looked pretty good against detroit.
 

SlipperyPete

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Its the same thing with Vick as always.

If you want an 8-8 team, then he is your guy.

If you want a 11-5, then he is not

He destroys bad defenses, but gets destroyed by good ones. You guys can look up how he did, in his career, versus eventual playoff teams. Its not pretty
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

When Vick was at Virginia Tech, the coaching staff there was forced to simplify the playbook. Kevin Kolb is the future quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles. This is Vick's last season in Philly.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Agree with most here, a very tough schedule and too many questions on both sides of the ball....definitely a team in transistion....
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Andy Reid's decision to go with Michael Vick as starting quarterback is stunning.

[+] Enlarge<cite>Randy Litzinger/Icon SMI</cite>Michael Vick has been named the starting quarterback in Philadelphia.


It's also a mistake and out of character for an organization that usually doesn't make reactionary moves.

The Eagles' plan was to develop Kevin Kolb as Donovan McNabb's replacement and have Vick available as a backup and to run Wildcat plays. Unless Reid feels as though Kolb has serious concussion issues, the decision to make him the backup is further proof the Eagles should have waited a year to make a quarterback transition.

The Vick comeback is one of the best stories in football this season. But Reid and the Eagles decided to trade McNabb to Washington because they thought Kolb was the perfect rhythm quarterback to work out of three- and five-step drops in a West Coast attack. Vick isn't a rhythm quarterback. He's a wildcard who is at his best when he's scrambling and making plays.
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Those in the Philly front office who believed in quarterback Kevin Kolb included the team's General Manager.

Tom Heckert is now the G.M. of the Browns. And Anthony Gargano of WIP in Philly reports that Heckert's Browns already have called about a possible trade for Kolb.

Specifically, the call was placed last night, and the Browns were told that Kolb isn't available.

But maybe he could be. Coach Andy Reid said Wednesday that that he can't predict whether Kolb will be on the roster past the trade deadline. And that means that maybe Kolb will be traded between now and October 19.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Kolb is going nowhere...Reid blowing smoke or quote taken out of context...
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

i do believe kevin kolb is the QB for the long term in philly regardless of vick.mike vick will have a bad game pretty soon and kolb will be in the driver seat again.
 

WMtribe17

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Ya, I agree mike. pressure is on vick because as soon as he has 1 bad game, he will be right back on the bench
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

When the Philadelphia Eagles announced Kevin Kolb's contract extension in April, they didn't announce another significant component of the deal.
Kolb's extension left Philadelphia the financial flexibility to commit to Michael Vick.
Philadelphia is paying Kolb $11.4 million this season, but it drops to only $1.4 million next season, when Vick is scheduled to become a free agent. Philadelphia is going to be able to pay big money to one of its quarterbacks next season, and right now, having been promoted to starter, Vick is positioned to cash in.



But this is the foresight of Philadelphia's front office. It was playing this game and preparing for this scenario even before it traded Donovan McNabb.
Just follow the money.
The deal Kolb signed in April paid him a $10.7 million signing bonus and a $715,000 base salary this year -- an almost identical sum to the $11.2 million on McNabb's contract this season. So what it comes down to is this: Philadelphia took McNabb's money and reallocated it to Kolb this season.
Now the Eagles are in position to take Kolb's money and pay it to Vick, or whoever most deserves it, next season. But that's next season.
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

i predict the eagles will win its road game this week at tennessee and improve to 5-2 and there is one single reason i say this and its two words:kerry collins. i do think the titans would beat the eagles with vince young but an immobile,mediocre over the hill 40 year old statue back there and its a different story.
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Andy Reid is the most underated coach in the NFL by a mile.

The press is driving him nuts and he could careless.

The fact that Vick played pretty good behind Kolb just goes to show you how right Reid was about it doesn't matter who his QB is. He will win with anyone as he has proved over the last 12 years.
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

And Kolb is going to be great.

No way is Reid or the Eagles trading him.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

And Kolb is going to be great.

No way is Reid or the Eagles trading him.

I agree. Kolb is the quarterback of the future in Philly. Five career starts, three 300-yard passing games. Vick cannot be trusted, on the field or off.
 

August West

Rambler
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Took me a while to be sold on Kolb but these last 2 games he's been great. Had no idea he could be so mobile. Love to see him running for first downs. Def the QB for the future.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

WOW...good teams don't quit in the 4th quarter...

How do you let Kerry Collins light you up?
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

halfway through the season at 5-3 with this left.....i'm looking forward to the dec. thursday night game against the texans.

<table class="data-table1" id="schedule-release-table-team1" style="margin-bottom: 10px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody id="schedule-release-tbody-team1"><tr class="tbdy1"><td>10</td><td>Mon, Nov. 15</td><td>at Washington Redskins</td><td>ESPN</td><td>8:30 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>11</td><td>Sun, Nov. 21</td><td>vs. New York Giants</td><td>NBC</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>12</td><td>Sun, Nov. 28</td><td>at Chicago Bears</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>13</td><td>Thu, Dec. 2</td><td>vs. Houston Texans</td><td>NFLN</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>14</td><td>Sun, Dec. 12</td><td>at Dallas Cowboys</td><td>NBC</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>15</td><td>Sun, Dec. 19</td><td>at New York Giants</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>16</td><td>Sun, Dec. 26</td><td>vs. Minnesota Vikings</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1"><td>17</td><td>Sun, Jan. 2</td><td>vs. Dallas Cowboys</td><td>FOX</td><td>1 p.m.</td></tr></tbody></table>
 

Discreet Cat

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Vick has been fantastic this year. I don't think any quarterback has played better.
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

if vick keeps playing the way he is playing we just might see the eagles represent the NFC in the super bowl.could you imagine the PR headache this will cause the league due to his prison sentence involving the pit bulls.PETA will be picketing outside the super bowl.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

As a long, long time Eagle fan, never saw this coming....

Vick must of watched a lot of film in the big house...LOL

Tough December schedule coming and still have to play the Cowboys and Giants 2 times each...
 

lordjeff

EOG Enthusiast
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

As a long, long time Eagle fan, never saw this coming....

Vick must of watched a lot of film in the big house...LOL

Tough December schedule coming and still have to play the Cowboys and Giants 2 times each...

preferred the look when the eagles wore kelly green last nights first half eagles performance stirred memories of the 1960 championship win over green bay, which i was fortunate to attend as a kid game played at a thawing out franklin field,penn's inner city stadium with great sight lines and virtually no parking morebottles than women in the stands game turned on the notorious hook & ladder play-vanbrocklin to retzlaff to mcdonald game ended with two way player chuck bednarik tackling and sitting on jim taylor as the clock ran out and most of these guys sold cars in the off season to make ends meet

absent significant injuries, i see the eagles finishing 11-5-dropping 2 of the 4 games with nyg and dc i hold a 9/1 futures ticket on a team that wears green,but it is on green bay not philly i envision a great nfc title game between these two squads it would be scintillating for this philadelphia native if andy reid and his
retooled team could take down the big one in that little shelter that j jones built in dallas

JK,are you holding to your 9/20 statement that 2010 will be vicks last year in philly? i have a dinner at the palms steak house that says you are wrong
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

<table class="data-table1" id="schedule-release-table-team1" style="margin-bottom: 10px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody id="schedule-release-tbody-team1"><tr class="tbdy1"><td>13</td><td>Thu, Dec. 2</td><td>vs. Houston Texans</td><td>NFLN</td><td>8:20 p.m.</td></tr></tbody></table>

if vick is still on fire at this time he will kill the texans who are dead last with a horrid secondary.
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

preferred the look when the eagles wore kelly green last nights first half eagles performance stirred memories of the 1960 championship win over green bay, which i was fortunate to attend as a kid game played at a thawing out franklin field,penn's inner city stadium with great sight lines and virtually no parking morebottles than women in the stands game turned on the notorious hook & ladder play-vanbrocklin to retzlaff to mcdonald game ended with two way player chuck bednarik tackling and sitting on jim taylor as the clock ran out and most of these guys sold cars in the off season to make ends meet

absent significant injuries, i see the eagles finishing 11-5-dropping 2 of the 4 games with nyg and dc i hold a 9/1 futures ticket on a team that wears green,but it is on green bay not philly i envision a great nfc title game between these two squads it would be scintillating for this philadelphia native if andy reid and his
retooled team could take down the big one in that little shelter that j jones built in dallas

JK,are you holding to your 9/20 statement that 2010 will be vicks last year in philly? i have a dinner at the palms steak house that says you are wrong

i agree with you.i see a great NFC championship matchup between green bay and philly.if vick is still hot by then it will be hard for green bay to win.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

preferred the look when the eagles wore kelly green last nights first half eagles performance stirred memories of the 1960 championship win over green bay, which i was fortunate to attend as a kid game played at a thawing out franklin field,penn's inner city stadium with great sight lines and virtually no parking morebottles than women in the stands game turned on the notorious hook & ladder play-vanbrocklin to retzlaff to mcdonald game ended with two way player chuck bednarik tackling and sitting on jim taylor as the clock ran out and most of these guys sold cars in the off season to make ends meet

absent significant injuries, i see the eagles finishing 11-5-dropping 2 of the 4 games with nyg and dc i hold a 9/1 futures ticket on a team that wears green,but it is on green bay not philly i envision a great nfc title game between these two squads it would be scintillating for this philadelphia native if andy reid and his
retooled team could take down the big one in that little shelter that j jones built in dallas

JK,are you holding to your 9/20 statement that 2010 will be vicks last year in philly? i have a dinner at the palms steak house that says you are wrong

I was nine years old back then and STILL remember that game like it was yesterday....
 

lordjeff

EOG Enthusiast
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

VD, sadly south street has been overrun with unruly mobs of teens from the hood in recent times phillys finest on the ready makes place look like an armed camp

andy reid suffers from the vegas syndrome- little respect because of his(portly) appearance Football Outsiders.com likes the eagles,a lot they have consistently ranked them in the top 25% of teams,via FOs DVOA criteria,even when phillys record was 2-2 i could wish the deceased controlled blitz happy DC was still on board reids timing in moving McNabb appears spot on. is Shanahan setting up a Bobby Knight play in DC? i remain concerned about the rising NO Saints with Bush back but i remain BULLISH ON THE BIRDS
 

EasyGoer45

EOG Veteran
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

They definately reloaded, they are one of the top 2 or 3 NFC teams right now !!!
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: The 2010 Philadelphia Eagles,Rebuilding or Reloading

Will always have a soft spot for Reid and McNabb....they bought the Eagles back from the dead and have made them contenders for the past 11 years....
 
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