IF TOUTS ARE LIFETIME WINNERS BETTING: WHY WOULD THEY EVEN SELL THEIR PICKS?

rainbow

rainbow

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The lifetime WINNERS I know don't SELL their picks are ADVERTISE their picks muchless SELL them.... the last thing they need is MONEY from someone... I firmly BELIEVE that a TOUT is someone looking to make a DOLLAR nothing more nothing less.........think about it, if someone is a LIFETIME WINNER BETTING... Why does he need to become a TOUT? is it because he has an EGO? Does he want people to know he can win betting so he SELLS his picks? I don't BELIEVE it or BUY the story of a TOUT........ The MAJORITY of BETTERS that win that I know won't even talk about how SMART they are....... I really feel for Bernie paying for these selections, expecially when he worked hard for his money when he was working, I would be PISSED too.........
 
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newport2

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Re: IF TOUTS ARE LIFETIME WINNERS BETTING: WHY WOULD THEY EVEN SELL THEIR PICKS?

I only know of two touts in all my years that have won over time wagering on sports. Most are just good at marketing and don't even wager. The others are former broke bettors with no expertise looking for an easy buck . It's easy to hate on them, especially when they are losing, but as P.T. Barnum said, "there is a sucker born every minute." Apropos.
 
KingRevolver

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Re: IF TOUTS ARE LIFETIME WINNERS BETTING: WHY WOULD THEY EVEN SELL THEIR PICKS?

Touts are gambling losers who are smart enough not to bet on their own games.
 
BigDaddy

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KingRevolver said:
Touts are gambling losers who are smart enough not to bet on their own games.
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false

some touts want to bury the books and help other.

the bad thing is 99% are scum so it makes it tough on the 1% to get any respect.
 
rainbow

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BigDaddy said:
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some touts want to bury the books and help other.

the bad thing is 99% are scum so it makes it tough on the 1% to get any respect.
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All touts want to bury the books....
 
rainbow

rainbow

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Re: IF TOUTS ARE LIFETIME WINNERS BETTING: WHY WOULD THEY EVEN SELL THEIR PICKS?

KingRevolver said:
Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen a Black tout.
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At the racetrack? next time you go to New Orleans, go to the Fair Grounds and you will see what I'm talking about, they are like VULTURES.....
 
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bernardoincr

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is is possible or just a fantasy of mine that there are people who want to share their talents
with others. of course they must charge a fee, we know when we receive info
gratuitously we don.t take it seriously, or quit too soon. man am i naive. i want
to believe there is good in people.
 
trytrytry

trytrytry

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feel the same about a stock broker service?
 
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bernardoincr

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stockbrokers are definitely touts. now for me tout is not a dirty word.
 
Bucky

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Agreed, wouldn't it be great to see a tout release each pick by betting 5k of his own money at the Hilton? No one has invented an honorable refund system to the player after a losing season. The tout should LOSE something if the picks lose long term.

The only possible advantage I can see a tout gaining by selling picks is line manipulation.
 
rainbow

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Bucky said:
Agreed, wouldn't it be great to see a tout release each pick by betting 5k of his own money at the Hilton? No one has invented an honorable refund system to the player after a losing season. The tout should LOSE something if the picks lose long term.

The only possible advantage I can see a tout gaining by selling picks is line manipulation.
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Exactly, and don't think for one second that some don't do it...
 
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jack stewart

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BigDaddy said:
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some touts want to bury the books and help other.

the bad thing is 99% are scum so it makes it tough on the 1% to get any respect.
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Absolutely disagree with the 99% figure. I monitored most of the legit ones over the course of two plus decades so I better disagree. The ones that get monitored are OK because the monitoring means they can't lie about their records and the ones that don't get monitored probably are equal in number but not greater than the ones that are monitored. As to the number of black handicappers only two or three monitored at Sports Watch were black. Also, most handicappers are young when they get into the business and so the jury would still be out on them as to whether they will be betting winners or losers over a lifetime.
 
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msftkid

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I agree with Rain if touts could consistantly win why have the headache of dealing with the public HOWEVER TOUTS HAVE HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC!!!!!! From a broad perspective the touts have made the public more knowledgeable and REDUCED THIER ANNUAL LOSES IN SPORTS BETTING!!!!!! I think this is one of the major factors in reducing the margins of profits in the sports betting industry.
 
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bernardoincr

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a tout who has a lemon season, in my opinion, needs to do somethng for their clients.
speaking for myself, i will never reup (?) with a service after a losing season without
a financial incentive
 
Doug

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A winning tout should be able to increase his profits by selling picks, IMO ! In particular a RAS type betting into the limited world of CBB totals.

What if you had Biff's almanac ( or McFly's almanac ? ) and could pick 100% winners, if you wanted to, what would you do ( to maximize profits) ? Well you can't just go out and bankrupture major books like CRIS with 100-0 winning streaks and ten team parlays that always win....you need somewhere to bet.

Becoming a tout ( high-priced after awhile) and giving out 57-62 % winners would get you quite a following after you go 600-400 the first year....should be enough to make millions there in fees. After awhile you'd have to drop your percentage down to more like 55-58%....and increase the price ! This would be great if you gave out NFL. Winning the Hilton contest and others every year would be a nice publicity stunt, you'd be a legend from that alone.

If you're not Superhuman and can't pick 100%, then any significant sales benefit your bankroll if you hit at 55% long-term ( excellent at anything like NBA, NFL sides, etc.) A good capper can hit over 55% easily on low-limit props that can't take another hit after that first $200 bet.

55-56% is about as good as it gets in major sports. A legit tout hitting that should be able to sell picks to improve his bottomline after he makes his bets. Hopefully he just caps and has some partner market.
 
Doug

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bernardoincr said:
a tout who has a lemon season, in my opinion, needs to do somethng for their clients.
speaking for myself, i will never reup (?) with a service after a losing season without
a financial incentive
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Next season FREE !, if you don't turn a profit using my 5* to 1,000* betting system. I'll gurantee you a profit in MARCH MADNESS !..... Bernie !
 
ArchieBunker

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If anyone here believes touts are out to help humanity as opposed to fleecing their clients out of money then please contact me immediately as I have some lovely property I would like to sell you... it's a bargain, trust me. :btj:
 
Doug

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ArchieBunker said:
If anyone here believes touts are out to help humanity as opposed to fleecing their clients out of money then please contact me immediately as I have some lovely property I would like to sell you... it's a bargain, trust me. :btj:
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Yeah but Archie..... A tout could be a winner ( not likely, since 95% of gamblers lose) and a seller. Selling your winners shouldn't really hurt your bottom line , once you've bet them !

Why not sell your NFL picks once you've bet 5 or 10k apiece on them ( whatever Kelly dictates) if you can get 50K a week extra selling them ?
 
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$tinky

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Any tout that at any time asks you "how much do you bet a game?" is a crook.
 
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jack stewart

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$tinky said:
Any tout that at any time asks you "how much do you bet a game?" is a crook.
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Absolutely. Also, the Stu Feiner scamdicapper types tend to make outcalls for business--the legit handicappers let the clients find them.
 
Doug

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$tinky said:
Any tout that at any time asks you "how much do you bet a game?" is a crook.
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State something more obvious !


Touts increase the stars

I can't lose over March Madness going $5 to $1000 a bet, I'll be ahead somewhere along the line , maybe 96 % likely ?.....If not , just lie again about it !
 
ajaysdreamplays

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To start with, I'm not a tout; that is, I don't sell picks.

There are some very good handicappers who are also touts. Lefty Rosenthal was one (wikipedia ref: Frank Rosenthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

Most are indeed, out for your money.

I'm a good handicapper, and have never used a tout. But I do sell my system, so what does that make me?
 
rainbow

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ajaysdreamplays said:
To start with, I'm not a tout; that is, I don't sell picks.

There are some very good handicappers who are also touts. Lefty Rosenthal was one (wikipedia ref: Frank Rosenthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

Most are indeed, out for your money.

I'm a good handicapper, and have never used a tout. But I do sell my system, so what does that make me?
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Thats like comparing apples with oranges... its a big DIFFERENCE between selling your system and TOUTING your plays...
 
Junkyarddog47

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rainbow said:
Thats like comparing apples with oranges... its a big DIFFERENCE between selling your system and TOUTING your plays...
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Absolutely on the money. I have a system that I use and it has been proven successful over many years of tweaking it and aplying it. I have all kinds of systems for all kinds of gaming. I have co-authored a book about gaming many years ago. I have been hired on numerous occasions as a guest lecturer. I lecture on gaming systems, be it in general terms, or specific casino games. I also have lectured on sports wagering. I have NEVER charged for a specific pick, and NEVER will. Would I sell you my system for picking football winners? Yes. For the right price. Would I sell you the winner of the Boise State-Georgia game on 9/3 in Atlanta? Absolutely not, even if I thought the game was a "lock". (Yes, I know that there is no such thiing as a "lock", despite what the 1000's of amateurs out there in cyberspace think). Selling systems and allowing players to tweak the systems to their liking, is one thing. You are selling them a theory that you hope produces winners. It allows the player to determine which plays he wants to make. That is a completely different thing than selling someone a pick on a game.

The fact is this. If ANYONE was good enough to hit the ridiculous percentages that these touts claim (and EVERY tout is a liar, even the ones I befriend), they would not waste their time and money on the costs of selling that information to you. They would not pay for office space, 800 numbers, advertising, etc... They could make a much bigger R.O.I. just wagering the money. The way touts work is like this. Most services have between 25-35 different types of purchases available. They have NFL game of the day, NFC, Conference pick, AFC Conference pick, NFC East Divisional pick, the NCAA SEC West pick, etc... Now over a period of time, one of those 25 different types of wagers may win 4 or 5 in a row. That is what they will advertise. You will never hear about the other 24 types of wagers that you can pruchase and are losers. This is how Touts get around the law. Omitting the fact that 23 out of your 25 options are losers is not against the law. As long as you do not distort the fact that your one winning selection was, in fact a winner, you are O.K. The fact is that ALL touts are losers, or they would not be in the business.
 
KingRevolver

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Re: IF TOUTS ARE LIFETIME WINNERS BETTING: WHY WOULD THEY EVEN SELL THEIR PICKS?

jack stewart said:
Absolutely. Also, the Stu Feiner scamdicapper types tend to make outcalls for business--the legit handicappers let the clients find them.
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Feiner even makes outcalls? He'd sell his mother for a buck.
 
Junkyarddog47

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Feiner is a fraud. Who would trust a convicted felon?
 
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bernardoincr

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bottom line, if touts in general had a winning % no one would be busting their chops.
so how do so many exist when so many are losers?
don?t potential clients check history?
if you?re choosing a broker you check out his portfolio or ask
other clients how he or she did. there are way too many, and no way
the majority are successful. don?t understand how so many
services are viable.
 
Bagiant

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First of all, if they are any good, why WOULDN'T they sell their picks? If they could build up to 5000 customers, and get $50 a week per customer, that's a sizable chunk of change. No having to run from book to book to get down on your bets. Money is just credited to your bank account from the CC charges. Worst that happens, you have to go to WU and MG to pick up your money. Tough life isn't it. And as long as you're picking winners, your customer base continues to grow, and you could probably increase your prices without losing too many clients. That's why you should sell your picks!!!
 
Junkyarddog47

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Have you ever seen these touts in action? Have you ever seen a tout that is willing to wager with you? I have offered many touts 10K wagers on various College Football games,and every single one has refused me. Some of these wagers were offered in person, with cold hard cash. Challenge any tout to a season long contest and watch how quickly they run away from you. And by the way, NO tout would have to run from book to book to get their wagers down. Many Vegas sportsbooks would accept their wagers, if they had enough balls to make wagers.
 
rainbow

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Junkyarddog47 said:
Have you ever seen these touts in action? Have you ever seen a tout that is willing to wager with you? I have offered many touts 10K wagers on various College Football games,and every single one has refused me. Some of these wagers were offered in person, with cold hard cash. Challenge any tout to a season long contest and watch how quickly they run away from you. And by the way, NO tout would have to run from book to book to get their wagers down. Many Vegas sportsbooks would accept their wagers, if they had enough balls to make wagers.
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100% agree...
 
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