Casino Craps Strategies

Moldoveanu

EOG Master
i would like to open a discusion about the craps because i am going to Atlantic City in July after my birthday me and my friend have birthdays 1 day from each other and we hope to celebrate by going To AC!

i bought a Book about Craps that i saw on youtube and i think its pretty good as the best craps players show how they have been winning at casino

and thats how they got kicked out!


anyone share how they play craps??

do you have any favorite style the way you hold the dice??

do you get the dice and do you set them up ??

do you play at certain corner on the table?

do you throw the dice almost same speed and velocity??

what are your favorites bets ??

how much you lost and how much you won??

anybody care to share what they experienced thanks!! i will share mine too!
 

cheapseats

EOG Master
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

play the pass line, take odds behind, play the come line, take odds on all come bets, should you get back your initial bets, bump the odds as you hit the number, always keep a come bet ...
 

cheapseats

EOG Master
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

and make sure to tip the drink lady when she first ask you, get her in your corner, then drink..........
 

KingRevolver

Born Rambler
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

Throw the dice and make sure they bounce off the wall on the other side.

I play the pass line when I'm throwing. Then like Cheaps said, take the odds.

And when others are throwing I play the don't pass bar. Make sure not to celebrate if you win playing the don't pass bar. You'll piss the rest of the table off.

Occasionally I'll put some money on the Field but that's a sucker's bet. Stick with the Pass and Don't Pass w/ odds.
 

KingRevolver

Born Rambler
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

Also, if you're doing well and feel charitable, you can tip the dealers by putting the chips on the Pass line and saying "for the dealers." :cheers
 

Moldoveanu

EOG Master
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

do you have any favorite dice control??

do u get the dice and just throw them of the wall

do you set them up or u dont care about that?


because i am trying to see if what i read from the book will actually work

setting the dice and throwing it off the wall in a way where the bounce

will be in your favor thats what the book says
 

KingRevolver

Born Rambler
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

do you have any favorite dice control??

do u get the dice and just throw them of the wall

do you set them up or u dont care about that?


because i am trying to see if what i read from the book will actually work

setting the dice and throwing it off the wall in a way where the bounce

will be in your favor thats what the book says

I honestly don't put much attention to the way I hold the dice. I grab them and throw them across the table and make sure they bounce off the wall. That's about it.

Is the book telling you that if you hold the dice a certain way you'll get a more favorable outcome and win? If it is- you need to throw the book away and bounce it off the wall. :LMAO
 

Moldoveanu

EOG Master
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

I honestly don't put much attention to the way I hold the dice. I grab them and throw them across the table and make sure they bounce off the wall. That's about it.

Is the book telling you that if you hold the dice a certain way you'll get a more favorable outcome and win? If it is- you need to throw the book away and bounce it off the wall. :LMAO

you may never know!! they are the best craps players out there

and i dont mind learning some new tricks or at least get some info

on how to play better craps maybe it can help me not lose all of my money!

:+textinb3
 
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I recall watching a show on the History Channel about a year ago titled "Breaking Vegas" or something along those lines. It featured two guys who actually went to the lengths of building a craps table in one of their garages and practicing setting the dice and throwing the same way each throw. These guys perfected the angle of when to release the dice, how to position in the dice in their hand, and how hard to throw off the wall. They went something like 60 or 70 throws before sevening out.

It is possible, but highly improbable. You need incredible patience, skill, and practice. Basically, you need your own craps table like these guys built and even then it's certainly no guarantee you'll ever learn the proper form or be able to duplicate it.
 
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http://www.gamblersoutpost.com/?pn=Beat+Craps+by+Controlling+The+Dice+DVD&p=676&c=27 This link is to the guys' website. They are selling their "tricks" to anyone willing to shell out $300. I imagine it's like buying a $300 DVD by Roy Halladay on how to locate and throw a fastball. These guys' techniques, although proven, are not something your average person could just pick up by watching a DVD. I imagine thousands of hours of practice could possibly even out the odds, but wouldn't turn anyone into a sure-fire winner at craps.
 

CHARLIEPEETE

EOG Dedicated
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

do you have any favorite style the way you hold the dice??

do you get the dice and do you set them up ?? yes

anyone share how they play craps?? 48 or 51 dollars on the inside numbers unless the number is 4 or 10 then i place 44 inside

do you have any favorite style the way you hold the dice??

i hold the dice with a 4 and 2 up and three feet to the right of the dealer


do you throw the dice almost same speed and velocity?? of course just like nolan ryan same throw everytime

what are your favorites bets ?? no gimmicks ie. prop bets


do you play at certain corner on the table; to the right of the dealer and throw them 8 to 10 inches from the back wall and one bounce off the wall nice and slow
 

CHARLIEPEETE

EOG Dedicated
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

sorry of course pass line with odds and then place the inside numbers..from there you can either press the numbers when they hit or place a come bet and then when a number hits take the place bet down and up with odds on the come bet..........in other words

i would place 10 dollars on the pass line if the point is the 6 i would put about 25 to 50 dollars odds then place the inside numbers ( 5,8 and 9 ) for 51 dollars 15 on the 5 and 9 and 18 on the 8 and make a 10$ come bet..........then if he throws a 5 i would bet paid 21$ on the 5 and the come bet would move to the 5 and take down the place bet and put 20$ odds on the 5 and then order another drink
 
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I've read Scoblete's book on dice control. He says to stand next to the stickman because it's the closest position to the opposite wall. Set the dice the same every time, hold the dice with your thumb and middle finger, and GENTLY toss the dice with a mild backspin so that it barely touches the wall. And practice. (There, now you don't have to buy the book) Personally, I think the jury is still out on whether this works consistently.

For the best chance of winning, stick with the pass/come or don't pass/don't come, and avoid the center action.

The closest I've seen of someone getting kicked out was a dice-setter making point after point, but he was betting thousands at a time. He got a warning from the pit to stop setting the dice. He ignored the warning, so the dice were passed to the next shooter.
 

Moldoveanu

EOG Master
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

I've read Scoblete's book on dice control. He says to stand next to the stickman because it's the closest position to the opposite wall. Set the dice the same every time, hold the dice with your thumb and middle finger, and GENTLY toss the dice with a mild backspin so that it barely touches the wall. And practice. (There, now you don't have to buy the book) Personally, I think the jury is still out on whether this works consistently.

For the best chance of winning, stick with the pass/come or don't pass/don't come, and avoid the center action.

The closest I've seen of someone getting kicked out was a dice-setter making point after point, but he was betting thousands at a time. He got a warning from the pit to stop setting the dice. He ignored the warning, so the dice were passed to the next shooter.

yes i have bought the book too!

yeah that what it basically wants us to do grip the dice in your favorable style and you have to throw them gentle and making sure they bounce of the wall at a certain angle and hoping to land quick without getting a 7!

when i used played craps!

the first time i really got good time was i got the dice i

set them up 2-2 facing up i holded them with 2 fingers and i shot across the table and bounced off the wall i tried to throw them same heigh and speed and see how it came out actually i threw for about 45 minutes!

that was the best run i had i only won about 900$ i believe because i was playing 10$ bets! i had lots of people cheering on me! i kept seeting the dice i did not get a warning nothing the bosses they were just laughing at how iwas able to get so many numbers i threw for about 50 times i believe and i only got a 7 when the number was off! but i kept hitting a lot of hardways if i was a bigger money player i would have won more!

there was this one guy next to me he kept playing the dont pass line and i kept hitting the numbers and he kept looking at me like get a fucking 7! :+textinb3 i am like play with me cant u see i am rolling hot! i finally crapped out and everyone appplauded me i went to play poker!

later i come in i try and do same style i got a 7 in a few rolls so i dont know how that lasted me about 45 mins but ill try and have an open table and try and get some of the notes that i read in the book!
 
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You can beat craps short term just as you can any -EV casino game. If not, nobody would ever play. But other than having an unlimited supply of matchplay or freeplay coupons, there are only two ways to win consistently. One is cheating and one walking up to the table and keeping on walking. I don'trecommend cheating, and I realize walking away is unrealistic if you are going to a casino to have fun and gamble.

Craps is a game where "a little knowledge is a wonderful, not dangerous thing." All you need to know is pass and don't pass and the associated odds. If you're really thirsting for knowledge, there's come and don't come. After that, the vigs increase and it's all downhill. Limiting yourself to the above bets is boring but will theoretcally allow you to win ALMOST half the time.

As for dicesetting it was a big fad a few years ago. As I always say, some people believe in dicesetting, and some people believe they can see the image of Christ in soft tortillas. It seems that the only people who claim real poficiency in setting dice are the ones who have a book or seminar to sell you. But exploiting people's hope and greed to make a buck is certainly nothing new to gambling.
 
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Technically speaking, craps can give you the best odds at a casino (unless youare a card counter in Blackjack). If you play at a table with 10X the odds, or unlimited odds, you can reduce the house's advantage to just about nothing. Ofcourse you will have to have a bank roll, but playing the pas and come lines and taking unlimited odds is by far your best play. And like sports wagering, stay away from the sucker plays, which is every other wager that the table offers.
 

Moldoveanu

EOG Master
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

:cheers

Do you play a lot of craps online?

i used to but its fucking rigged!

i play the 7 there come 20-30 numbers before a 7!

i play numbers every 2-3 times a 7 comes in thats fucking BS!

every time i bet a 7 numbers come and long streaks thats just bs!
 

CHIHUAHUA

EOG Veteran
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

i used to but its fucking rigged!

i play the 7 there come 20-30 numbers before a 7!

i play numbers every 2-3 times a 7 comes in thats fucking BS!

every time i bet a 7 numbers come and long streaks thats just bs!

Dice is a game best played at a Casino, not online.

It is a fun game and your bank roll will go along way and you can get drunk also without spending 8 to 10 bucks a drink at the high end Casino's.

The winning streaks come along more often playing the don't pass then playing the pass line. That has been my experience almost everytime.

Hope you win lots of money on your trip and enjoy your birthday trip with your friend.:+waving-5
 
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The winning streaks come along more often playing the don't pass then playing the pass line. That has been my experience almost everytime.

This is a little misleading since the the probability of the 7 being rolled is higher than any other number. If the point is 4 or 10, and you play the don't, you will win your bet twice as often but the lay bet pays half. I wouldn't call that a winning streak.
 

CHIHUAHUA

EOG Veteran
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

This is a little misleading since the the probability of the 7 being rolled is higher than any other number. If the point is 4 or 10, and you play the don't, you will win your bet twice as often but the lay bet pays half. I wouldn't call that a winning streak.


If you pick and choose numbers like 4 and 10 maybe, but there are other numbers like 5,6,8 and nine that are likely to come out more often and the lay is not TWO to ONE on them.:houra
 
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There are several sets that will lead to changing the percentages. I prefer the 3-3 up with the 1-5 facing me. I shoot a ton of inside numbers with that set (5,6,8,9)

The 2-2 up and 4-4 facing you leads to a lot of hardways. With either set you need to hold them with two fingers and a thumb and gently toss them with a little backspin and try to land them 6-8 inches from the wall. Stay away from the field and any center bets. Always take your max odds and fire away!
 
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If you pick and choose numbers like 4 and 10 maybe, but there are other numbers like 5,6,8 and nine that are likely to come out more often and the lay is not TWO to ONE on them.:houra

That's right. The lay on 5 or 9 pays 2-to-3; 6 or 8 pays 5-to-6.

You will see the 7 more often than the 5, 6, 8, or 9. The lay bet win/loss reflects the probabilities. Just because you get paid more often doesn't necessarily mean you will come out ahead at the end. If you play the don't and you end up even, you HAD to get paid more often. That's not a winning streak.
 
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There are several sets that will lead to changing the percentages. I prefer the 3-3 up with the 1-5 facing me. I shoot a ton of inside numbers with that set (5,6,8,9)

The 2-2 up and 4-4 facing you leads to a lot of hardways. With either set you need to hold them with two fingers and a thumb and gently toss them with a little backspin and try to land them 6-8 inches from the wall. Stay away from the field and any center bets. Always take your max odds and fire away!

Are you ahead long-term?
 
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Yes, these "strategies" are striking fear into casinos everywhere. Why just this morning I saw crews at one major joint moving the craps tables into their storeroom.
 
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

Yes, these "strategies" are striking fear into casinos everywhere. Why just this morning I saw crews at one major joint moving the craps tables into their storeroom.

You should keep an open mind. Not saying dice-setting works, but if you can reduce the chance of the 7 coming up from 1-in-6 to 1-in-7, and you play the pass/come, you would be ahead.

The casinos would take a big-time hit on revenues if bettors would stay away from the center action, but how often do you see NO action there? Hardly ever.
 

MrTop

EOG Master
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

Craps a very fun game to play for a night because you can get others to join in.......but in the long run.....no shot at winning.
 

kyhawk

EOG Addicted
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

Obvious answer is to find a hot table. That game fluctuates so much, just make sure you leave when you lose say 3 passes in a row. Move on. Easier said than done.
 
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I've seen two effective dice setters so I know it can be done. I also can tell you they were in their 40s and probably had at least a decade of experience doing it so its not like you can read a book and practice a bit and become a big winner. Even worse for those who think its a ticket to riches, all these guys did is "eliminate" one number from one die. They both were able not to throw a 1 or a 6 on one of the two dice at their own discretion. Very subtle, yet made them +EV whenever they held the dice.
 
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Get caught setting dice and say goodbye to the use of your throwing hand. Guaranteed. If the guys upstairs catch you (and it is easy to do), those crow bars across your knuckles really can hurt. Play at some of the places that I do and that is exactly what you would get. I imagine some places would not care, but like I said, get caught and bend over and kiss your tail good bye.
 

trytrytry

All I do is trytrytry
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Mold...its a NEGATIVE expectation game no matter what you do..stay away from any and all negative expectation games...


if you have to play, for the experience do the following only.

find the lowest min table..

play the min pass line wager..

after a point put full odds behind the line on that wager

then nothing else..just sit, get a bunch of free drinks, get 2 at a time!, flirt with any ladies playing, high five people you dont know and be done in about an hour....thats it...

there is no such think as a cold or a hot table..the dice have no memory if this or that number was just rolled...there are NO hot rollers and no cold rollers that you can define before the roll...so dont buy any of that hype or stuff in books...

just do what I said and then get back to games like sports where you can find some positive expectation overlays at times!

dont spend any cash at a craps table unless you can book the bets!
 

Herbie

EOG Addicted
Re: Casino Craps Strategies

Amazing the amount of bad info you will get when ask something like this...

play the pass line, take odds behind, play the come line, take odds on all come bets, should you get back your initial bets, bump the odds as you hit the number, always keep a come bet ...

If you going to play this is the best advice (well, ignoring that don't pass is slightly better but personally, when I infrequently play, I'll willing to give up the fraction of decimal places of edge to play with everyone else as the environment of the table is most of the fun of the game IMO)...

Good article that someone posted across the street when someone brought up the dice control snake oil salesmen...

http://www.mattathiasschwartz.com/the-golden-touch/
 
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