Tookie Williams last print interview with NY Times

Shows that he still has no remorse for the murders

December 12, 2005
NY Times

<NYT_HEADLINE type=" " version="1.0">Excerpts From an Interview With Stanley Tookie Williams </NYT_HEADLINE>

<NYT_BYLINE type=" " version="1.0"></NYT_BYLINE><NYT_TEXT>Two weeks to the day before his scheduled execution, which is set for 12:01 a.m. Tuesday, Stanley Tookie Williams sat in a cramped visiting cell at San Quentin State Prison and talked for 90 minutes with Adam Liptak of The New York Times.

In careful, deliberate language that alternated between the pithy and the flowery, Mr. Williams, 51, spoke about helping to found the Crips street gang, about how his years in prison had changed him and about his writing and work with children.

Though he conceded his criminal background, he maintained that he is innocent of the four 1979 murders that sent him to death row in 1981.

Following are excerpts from that interview, parts of which were published in The Times on Dec. 2, 2005.



On His Years as a Crip:
"I have a despicable background. I was a criminal. I was a co-founder of the Crips. I was a nihilist."

"I functioned primarily on street wit. I managed to make it to the 12th grade. The teachers were insipid in their methodology." "Cripping was all I knew. I lived it. I breathed it. I walked it and I talked it."

"My courage was predicated on violence, on a negative reputation, on drugs, on ignorance. The courage I have now, or fortitude, is based on faith."



On His Transformation:
"People forget that redemption is tailor-made for the wretched."

On the Case Against Him:
"I always ask the question: Can a black man in America receive justice? I can say to you or anybody else that the answer is absolutely no. There?s a myriad of things that bring me to this conclusion ? prosecutorial misconduct, the biased selection of juries, the issues of informants, the exclusion of exculpatory evidence, illegal interrogation of witnesses. It?s commonplace. It?s deeply ingrained in the California criminal justice system."

On the Man the Jury Saw:
"I was darned near twice this size. I had an indelibly entrenched grimace on my face. I had total disdain for the law enforcement system and it showed. And I was shackled."

On the Families of the Victims:
"To threaten me with death does not accomplish the means of the criminal justice system or satiate those who think my death or my demise will be a closure for them. Their loved ones will not rise up from the grave and love them. I wish they could. I sympathize or empathize with everyone who has lost a loved one. But I didn?t do it. My death would not mollify them."

On His Work With Children:
"They can empathize with me. I pretty much experienced all the madness they?re going through."

"I feel a sense of bliss within. I like to see the viability of youth."

"I don?t take myself seriously. I do take my helping children and writing books exceedingly seriously."

On Taking Responsibility for the Murders:
"How can a person express contrition if he?s not guilty?"

"If I were culpable of these crimes, I?d be on my knees, begging everybody."

On What He Would Have Said to Mr. Schwarzenegger:
"First and foremost, I would say that I?m innocent. Second, I believe that if I?m allowed to get a clemency or an indefinite stay, it would allow me to continue to proliferate my positive message, including a collaboration with the N.A.A.C.P., to create a violence-prevention message for at-risk youth."

On Death Row:
"I?ve never seen a millionaire here."

"You?re surrounded by a motley of different characters. Within the madness, there are those other than myself who have opted to redeem themselves.

"The longer I sit in this animalistic cage, the more human I become. I?ve learned not to allow the negative ambience to control me. I?ve risen above all of that, like a phoenix, a black phoenix."

"Had I still been in society I never would have been able to make the kind of impact I can now."

On the Death Penalty:
"We know that it?s not a deterrent. It?s wasted a lot of the taxpayers? money. The death penalty in a sense is a disguise for vengeance."

"It?s a barbaric system that propagates, ?to resolve murder is to murder someone,? another oxymoron. It doesn?t work."

"It?s a more sophisticated type of killing than a mob lynching. It?s pathetic."

"In reality, there?s no disparity between this place and Texas."

On What He Misses:
"My freedom. Being able to hold my grandchild. Being able to go to the beach. Women. Food. My mother."

On the Prospect of Execution:
"They have the audacity to ask, 'Do I want a last meal?' Absolutely not. 'Do I want anyone present?' Absolutely not. 'Do I want a preacher?' Absolutely not. I want nothing from this institution."

"I feel good. I really do. I feel good physically and mentally and spiritually. Had I not undergone this redemptive transformation, I guarantee I?d really be a mess."

"I have that joie de vivre. I love life."

"My faith sustains me. I don?t crack under pressure."

"The least I can do is maintain my dignity. I confront madness with integrity. I don?t walk around like some shuffling black man."

"I?ll go through it with dignity, with integrity, with love and bliss in my heart. I smile at everything, and I?m quite sure I?ll smile then, too. I smile to myself, and I don?t worry about it."
 
"I always ask the question: Can a black man in America receive justice? I can say to you or anybody else that the answer is absolutely no. There’s a myriad of things that bring me to this conclusion — prosecutorial misconduct, the biased selection of juries, the issues of informants, the exclusion of exculpatory evidence, illegal interrogation of witnesses. It’s commonplace. It’s deeply ingrained in the California criminal justice system."


I wonder if he asked O.J. about this...
 
I thought Robert Blake was White

It has nothing to do with race more with the size of your wallet and what kind of defense attorney you can afford.
 

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
Total Bull Sh!t that a man dies 25 years AFTER committing a crime
There should be a maximum of 1 year waiting time on Death Row and no more.......
People can change whether some want to believe it or not......
 

dirty

EOG Master
Hache Man said:
Total Bull Sh!t that a man dies 25 years AFTER committing a crime
There should be a maximum of 1 year waiting time on Death Row and no more.......
People can change whether some want to believe it or not......



I agree...should have been given the celestial Dirt Nap long ago:cheers
 

MCP

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he is getting off light. lethal injection is way too easy.. I think he should face the firing squad and the family members of his victims get to pull the trigger.

bye tookie you deserve your fate. kudos to Arnold for not caving to outside pressure.

I really hope there arent riots that would be an absolute disgrace...
 
Tookie will never know if the Colts completed their perfect season.
Hope he enjoys his last Football game tonight

ABC should of had Tookie do the opening line
Are you ready for some Football
 
dirty said:
should have been given the celestial Dirt Nap long ago
I thought it was the proverbial dirt nap. Is a celestial dirt nap the same thing?

The game will be over before Tookie gets the juice. I wouldn't fault him for throwing his whole bankroll at tonight's game. Although it would be poor money management...
 
Jimmy Hoffa said:
The game will be over before Tookie gets the juice. I wouldn't fault him for throwing his whole bankroll at tonight's game. Although it would be poor money management...

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

dirty

EOG Master
Jimmy Hoffa said:
I thought it was the proverbial dirt nap. Is a celestial dirt nap the same thing?

The game will be over before Tookie gets the juice. I wouldn't fault him for throwing his whole bankroll at tonight's game. Although it would be poor money management...



Yea the same thing....Just what part of the country you are from I think....Real old Folks from here say Celestial :cheers
 

AK

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SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- Hours after California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied clemency Monday for convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, lawyers for the Crips street gang co-founder filed a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court for a stay of execution.
 

dirty

EOG Master
AK said:
SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- Hours after California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied clemency Monday for convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, lawyers for the Crips street gang co-founder filed a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court for a stay of execution.


This shouldn't surprise anyone.....and With them you have no Clue what they will do....Once they Ruled for Eminant Domain over Private Property Rights against the First Amendment, then it is a Crap shoot...
 

dirty

EOG Master
wrigley said:
CNN Breaking News

Supreme court Denies Williams Appeal for stay of execution



Any Idea what the Vote was???? But I damn sure am surprised to see this and Happy all in one....Their is Hope afterall
 

dirty

EOG Master
I know of a few that have been Stayed to give the lawyers the ability to admit new evidence such as DNA and such....but Tookie's new Evidence was a Mysterious Witness that Turns up 25 Years later to say he was with Tookie that night somewhere and he couldn't have killed the People......Funny how this dude waited 25 years to come forward huh:+clueless
 

Sam Odom

EOG Master
If Tookie's killing wont start a riot, this will:



Florida Judge Upholds Rush Limbaugh's Doctor-Patient Confidentiality
Monday December 12, 5:22 pm ET

MIAMI, Dec. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Roy Black, Rush Limbaugh's attorney, issued the following statement regarding Judge David F. Crow's decision today prohibiting prosecutors from asking the talk show host's doctors about his medical treatment and condition or information he shared with his doctors during his care and treatment.
 

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
dirty said:
.but Tookie's new Evidence was a Mysterious Witness that Turns up 25 Years later to say he was with Tookie that night somewhere and he couldn't have killed the People......Funny how this dude waited 25 years to come forward huh:+clueless
lol......that is ridiculous....However, can you just imagine going through this?I mean, put yourself in his shoes.You do something wrong <font size=+3>25 years ago </font size=+3> and not only grow up as a man, but you grow in many ways as a person, and then someone still thinks they have the right to kill you after 1/4 of a century?!? Just imagine your pleas for someone to try to comprehend going unheard........
 

dirty

EOG Master
Sam Odom said:
If Tookie's killing wont start a riot, this will:



Florida Judge Upholds Rush Limbaugh's Doctor-Patient Confidentiality
Monday December 12, 5:22 pm ET

MIAMI, Dec. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Roy Black, Rush Limbaugh's attorney, issued the following statement regarding Judge David F. Crow's decision today prohibiting prosecutors from asking the talk show host's doctors about his medical treatment and condition or information he shared with his doctors during his care and treatment.




I would hope that same thing would happen to any US Citizen, I don't care who you are.......Your Private life is just that....and shouldn't be open to anyone....Especially your Medical Records....
 

dirty

EOG Master
Sam Odom said:
dirty, since when in this day and age being "right" has anything to do with anything:+clueless



Good Point there Sam.....Those Days of are Numbered I am afraid
 
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK.

HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE WHAT IS THE DISCUSSION MORONS PAY TO KEEP THIS GUY ALIVE FOR 20 + YRS.

EYE FOR AN EYE IS JUSTICE
 

dirty

EOG Master
coconutman said:
Free Tookie!!!!!!!!!!
Free Tookie!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free Tookie !!!!!!!



The way that Roo in your Avatar is spread Eagle it looks like you already freed Tookie:cocktail
 
Since it is not being televised this is how Tookie's final day has gone

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Kevin ***an, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, December 12, 2005


If the execution goes through as scheduled, Stanley Tookie Williams will arise this morning to find that the entire Death Row of 648 condemned prisoners, and every other maximum security cellblock, has been on tight lockdown since 12:01 a.m. He will be allowed to spend his last day meeting in the prison visiting room with friends and relatives until 6 p.m., when he will be moved to a special death watch cell next to the execution chamber.

There, three guards will watch him constantly through the rest of the evening, as he is offered a last meal and can watch television, play the radio or read. The only visitors he will be allowed are a spiritual adviser and the warden.

Williams told The Chronicle he plans to refuse a last meal or anything to drink on his final evening. He has also requested none of his friends or relatives watch the execution.

"I don't want food or water or sympathy from the place that is going to kill me," he said in an interview with the paper last month. "I don't want anyone present for the sick and perverted spectacle. The thought of that is appalling and inhumane. It is disgusting for a human to sit and watch another human die.''

At 11:30 p.m., Williams will be given a new pair of denim jeans and a new blue work shirt to wear.

At 11:45 p.m., the first group of witnesses will be led into the room where the death chamber is and positioned by guards on a set of risers or a railing along the thick glass windows of the chamber. These will be state officials, lawyers and people who have asked to watch the execution on behalf of Williams or his victims.

At 11:55 p.m., media witnesses will be escorted in and positioned on risers. Nobody may move after they have been placed. Fifty witnesses total are allowed, 17 of those from the press.

Precisely at midnight, prison officials will make one last call to the state Department of Justice and Department of Corrections headquarters to determine if any last-second stays have been issued. That process usually takes less than a minute, and at 12:01 a.m. Williams will be led by three guards into the lime-green execution chamber through its only door.

Space is tight in the 7.5-foot-wide, octagonal chamber, which was designed for two lethal gas chairs but has been nearly filled with a lethal injection gurney since William Bonin became the first California prisoner executed by injection on Feb. 24, 1996. Williams is a bulky man, so there will undoubtedly be slight jostling as he is laid upon the cross-shaped gurney, and his arms and legs are strapped down.

The guards will take about five minutes to secure him, and then they leave. One medic and an assistant then come in and attach a cardiac monitor, plus needles into two veins, usually one in each arm. This takes about five minutes -- unless there are difficulties, such as with Donald Beardslee on Jan. 19 this year. In that execution, the medic had trouble finding a good second vein, and dragged through a tense 11 minutes before finally seating the needle.

Once the needles are inserted, with long intravenous lines snaking from them into the back wall of the death chamber, the warden will ask Williams if he has any last words to say. Then the warden will leave, the door will be shut, and Williams will be left alone.

From behind the walls of the chamber, out of view of the witnesses, a prison official will press three plungers in succession to send poison through the intravenous lines into Williams' veins.

The first plunger will administer 5 grams of sodium pentothal to put him to sleep. The lines will be flushed with saline solution, and the second plunger will inject 50 cc of pancuronium bromide to stop his breathing. The lines will be flushed again, and the third plunger will send in 50 cc of potassium chloride to stop his heart.

Once a doctor watching the cardiac monitor -- again, out of view of the witnesses -- determines Williams is dead, a prison official will write up a short notice announcing that the execution is over. He or she will push it through a slot in a door in the back of the witness room to a guard, who will read it to the gathering.

The witnesses will immediately be led outside, the media going first. Williams' body will be delivered in the next few hours to his relatives or anyone else who has been designated to handle his remains.

The entire execution usually takes between 15 and 30 minutes.
 
I THINK WE SHOULD GET TO WATCH ON PAY PER VIEW

LIVE FROM THE DEATH CHAMBER 1 NIGHT ONLY $29.95.

OR DO IT DAILY FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS

SUBSCCRIBE TO TEXAS DEATH ROW FULL COURT.
 
They should sell seats inside the railing, they could get big bucks for them and give the money to the victims family's.
 
TIMMY C said:
I THINK WE SHOULD GET TO WATCH ON PAY PER VIEW

LIVE FROM THE DEATH CHAMBER 1 NIGHT ONLY $29.95.

OR DO IT DAILY FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS

SUBSCCRIBE TO TEXAS DEATH ROW FULL COURT.

For charity ...right?:+clueless
 
dirty said:
Yea the same thing....Just what part of the country you are from I think....Real old Folks from here say Celestial :cheers

We call it the celestial discharge when they die at work.

My first night on call when I was on my internal medicine rotation and I get a page...a nurse asks me to come "pronounce" a patient. I thought about for a minute and then asked my senior resident..."is that really in the job description?"

Needless to say I left my nice chinese dinner and crab wontons to go do my first "celestial discharge"!!!

Two weeks later I get a letter saying I needed to do a "discharge summary" on this person...
 
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