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MrTop said:
you don't know what a line service is and you don't have any money to get it either. However you can buy liquor
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Don't Change The Subject.

Like A Wimp.

Again.

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Don't Pay A LIVE LINE SERVICE 1,200.00 A Month and Then Stare At The Wallpaper All Day Long, To See If The Colors Change.
 
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mr merlin said:
I'm talking gas - natural gas.
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ok does Europe need all of it? Europe only needed 40% energy from russia before the war started


i read china close to a deal with Qatar LNG

if china gets Taiwan they will not need Russian oil because there is a couple of trillion worth of oil in south china sea.. china will own russia at the end
 
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MrTop said:
ok does Europe need all of it? Europe only needed 40% energy from russia before the war started


i read china close to a deal with Qatar LNG

if china gets Taiwan they will not need Russian oil because there is a couple of trillion worth of oil in south china sea.. china will own russia at the end
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I have no clue if there's oil there or not but if there was either china or taiwan would have drilled for it, or at least started exploring for it.

Importing LNG is not easy, you need to build incredibly expensive facilities on the export side, the import side and also LNG tankers - they're not like oil tankers where it's just a big tub of oil sloshing around. then you'd have to ramp up the capacities to continental levels.

europe couldn't possibly get the volumn of gas they get from 6-10 pipelines from russia through LNG from quatar.
 
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A trillion in oil is nothing - guyana in south america has had enormous oil discoveries in just the last 5-6 years, estimates are 10-15 billion bbls(perhaps way more), which is gerat for them, Do the math - that's a couple trillion in oil,

However the plan is to develop it, it'll take many years(they're just starting to produce now) and maybe produce 1-2 million bbls/day at least 10 years from now. A million bbls/day is nice but china uses maybe 12 million/day.
 
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When The Lies Come Home​

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by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Jun 18, 2022 - 10:30 PM
Authored by Douglas MacGregor via TheAmericanConservative.com,
After lying for months, the media are preparing the public for Ukraine’s military collapse...

Diogenes, one of the ancient world’s illustrious philosophers, believed that lies were the currency of politics, and those lies were the ones he sought to expose and debase. To make his point, Diogenes occasionally carried a lit lantern through the streets of Athens in the daylight. If asked why, Diogenes would say he was searching for an honest man.

Finding an honest man today in Washington, D.C., is equally challenging. Diogenes would need a Xenon Searchlight in each hand.

Still, there are brief moments of clarity inside the Washington establishment. Having lied prolifically for months to the American public about the origins and conduct of the war in Ukraine, the media are now preparing the American, British, and other Western publics for Ukraine’s military collapse. It is long overdue.

The Western media did everything in its power to give the Ukrainian defense the appearance of far greater strength than it really possessed. Careful observers noted that the same video clips of Russian tanks under attack were shown repeatedly. Local counterattacks were reported as though they were operational maneuvers.

Russian errors were exaggerated out of all proportion to their significance. Russian losses and the true extent of Ukraine’s own losses were distorted, fabricated, or simply ignored. But conditions on the battlefield changed little over time. Once Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves in static defensive positions inside urban areas and the central Donbas, the Ukrainian position was hopeless. But this development was portrayed as failure by the Russians to gain “their objectives.”

Ground-combat forces that immobilize soldiers in prepared defenses will be identified, targeted, and destroyed from a distance. When persistent overhead intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, whether manned or unmanned, are linked to precision guided-strike weapons or modern artillery systems informed by accurate targeting data, “holding ground” is fatal to any ground force. This is all the more true in Ukraine, because it was apparent from the first action that Moscow focused on the destruction of Ukrainian forces, not on the occupation of cities or the capture of Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper River.

The result has been the piecemeal annihilation of Ukrainian forces. Only the episodic infusion of U.S. and allied weapons kept Kiev’s battered legions in the field; legions that are now dying in great numbers thanks to Washington’s proxy war.

Kiev’s war with Moscow is lost. Ukrainian forces are being bled white. Trained replacements do not exist in sufficient numbers to influence the battle, and the situation grows more desperate by the hour. No amount of U.S. and allied military aid or assistance short of direct military intervention by U.S. and NATO ground forces can change this harsh reality.

The problem today is not ceding territory and population to Moscow in Eastern Ukraine that Moscow already controls. The future of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions along with the Donbas is decided. Moscow is also likely to secure Kharkov and Odessa, two cities that are historically Russian and Russian-speaking, as well as the territory that adjoins them. These operations will extend the conflict through the summer. The problem now is how to stop the fighting.

Whether the fighting stops in the early fall will depend on two key factors.

The first involves the leadership in Kiev. Will the Zelensky government consent to the Biden program for perpetual conflict with Russia?

If the Biden administration has its way, Kiev will continue to operate as a base for the buildup of new forces poised to threaten Moscow. In practice, this means Kiev must commit national suicide by exposing the Ukrainian heartland west of the Dnieper River to massive, devastating strikes by Russia’s long-range missile and rocket forces.

Of course, these developments are not inevitable. Berlin, Paris, Rome, Budapest, Bucharest, Sofia, Vilnius, Riga, Tallin, and, yes, even Warsaw, do not have to blindly follow Washington’s lead. Europeans, like most Americans, are already peering into the abyss of an all-encompassing economic downturn that Biden’s policies are creating at home. Unlike Americans who must cope with the consequences of Biden’s ill-conceived policies, European governments can opt out of Biden’s perpetual-war plan for Ukraine.

The second factor involves Washington itself. Having poured more than $60 billion or a little more than $18 billion a month in direct or indirect transfers into a Ukrainian state that is now crumbling, the important question is, what happens to millions of Ukrainians in the rest of the country that did not flee? And where will the funds come from to rebuild Ukraine’s shattered society in a developing global economic emergency?

When inflation costs the average American household an extra $460 per month to buy the same goods and services this year as they did last year, it is quite possible that Ukraine could sink quietly beneath the waves like the Titanic without evoking much concern in the American electorate. Experienced politicians know that the American span of attention to matters beyond America’s borders is so short that an admission of defeat in Ukraine would probably have little or no immediate consequences.

However, the effects of repeated strategic failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria are cumulative. In the 1980s, General Motors wanted to dictate the kind of automobiles Americans would buy, but American consumers had different ideas. That’s why G.M., which dominated the U.S. market for 77 years, lost its top spot to Toyota. Washington cannot dictate all outcomes, nor can Washington escape accountability for its profligate spending and having ruined American prosperity.

In November, Americans will go to the polls. The election itself will do more than test the integrity of the American electoral process. The election is also likely to ensure that Biden is remembered for his intransigence; his refusal to change course, like Herbert Hoover in 1932. Democrats will recall that their predecessors in the Democratic Party effectively ran against Hoover for more than a half century. Republicans may end up running against Joe Biden for the next 50 years.
 
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MrTop

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mr merlin said:

When The Lies Come Home​

[IMG alt="Tyler Durden's Photo"]https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-...thumbnail/public/pictures/picture-5.jpg[/IMG]
by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Jun 18, 2022 - 10:30 PM
Authored by Douglas MacGregor via TheAmericanConservative.com,
After lying for months, the media are preparing the public for Ukraine’s military collapse...

Diogenes, one of the ancient world’s illustrious philosophers, believed that lies were the currency of politics, and those lies were the ones he sought to expose and debase. To make his point, Diogenes occasionally carried a lit lantern through the streets of Athens in the daylight. If asked why, Diogenes would say he was searching for an honest man.

Finding an honest man today in Washington, D.C., is equally challenging. Diogenes would need a Xenon Searchlight in each hand.

Still, there are brief moments of clarity inside the Washington establishment. Having lied prolifically for months to the American public about the origins and conduct of the war in Ukraine, the media are now preparing the American, British, and other Western publics for Ukraine’s military collapse. It is long overdue.

The Western media did everything in its power to give the Ukrainian defense the appearance of far greater strength than it really possessed. Careful observers noted that the same video clips of Russian tanks under attack were shown repeatedly. Local counterattacks were reported as though they were operational maneuvers.

Russian errors were exaggerated out of all proportion to their significance. Russian losses and the true extent of Ukraine’s own losses were distorted, fabricated, or simply ignored. But conditions on the battlefield changed little over time. Once Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves in static defensive positions inside urban areas and the central Donbas, the Ukrainian position was hopeless. But this development was portrayed as failure by the Russians to gain “their objectives.”

Ground-combat forces that immobilize soldiers in prepared defenses will be identified, targeted, and destroyed from a distance. When persistent overhead intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, whether manned or unmanned, are linked to precision guided-strike weapons or modern artillery systems informed by accurate targeting data, “holding ground” is fatal to any ground force. This is all the more true in Ukraine, because it was apparent from the first action that Moscow focused on the destruction of Ukrainian forces, not on the occupation of cities or the capture of Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper River.

The result has been the piecemeal annihilation of Ukrainian forces. Only the episodic infusion of U.S. and allied weapons kept Kiev’s battered legions in the field; legions that are now dying in great numbers thanks to Washington’s proxy war.

Kiev’s war with Moscow is lost. Ukrainian forces are being bled white. Trained replacements do not exist in sufficient numbers to influence the battle, and the situation grows more desperate by the hour. No amount of U.S. and allied military aid or assistance short of direct military intervention by U.S. and NATO ground forces can change this harsh reality.

The problem today is not ceding territory and population to Moscow in Eastern Ukraine that Moscow already controls. The future of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions along with the Donbas is decided. Moscow is also likely to secure Kharkov and Odessa, two cities that are historically Russian and Russian-speaking, as well as the territory that adjoins them. These operations will extend the conflict through the summer. The problem now is how to stop the fighting.

Whether the fighting stops in the early fall will depend on two key factors.

The first involves the leadership in Kiev. Will the Zelensky government consent to the Biden program for perpetual conflict with Russia?

If the Biden administration has its way, Kiev will continue to operate as a base for the buildup of new forces poised to threaten Moscow. In practice, this means Kiev must commit national suicide by exposing the Ukrainian heartland west of the Dnieper River to massive, devastating strikes by Russia’s long-range missile and rocket forces.

Of course, these developments are not inevitable. Berlin, Paris, Rome, Budapest, Bucharest, Sofia, Vilnius, Riga, Tallin, and, yes, even Warsaw, do not have to blindly follow Washington’s lead. Europeans, like most Americans, are already peering into the abyss of an all-encompassing economic downturn that Biden’s policies are creating at home. Unlike Americans who must cope with the consequences of Biden’s ill-conceived policies, European governments can opt out of Biden’s perpetual-war plan for Ukraine.

The second factor involves Washington itself. Having poured more than $60 billion or a little more than $18 billion a month in direct or indirect transfers into a Ukrainian state that is now crumbling, the important question is, what happens to millions of Ukrainians in the rest of the country that did not flee? And where will the funds come from to rebuild Ukraine’s shattered society in a developing global economic emergency?

When inflation costs the average American household an extra $460 per month to buy the same goods and services this year as they did last year, it is quite possible that Ukraine could sink quietly beneath the waves like the Titanic without evoking much concern in the American electorate. Experienced politicians know that the American span of attention to matters beyond America’s borders is so short that an admission of defeat in Ukraine would probably have little or no immediate consequences.

However, the effects of repeated strategic failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria are cumulative. In the 1980s, General Motors wanted to dictate the kind of automobiles Americans would buy, but American consumers had different ideas. That’s why G.M., which dominated the U.S. market for 77 years, lost its top spot to Toyota. Washington cannot dictate all outcomes, nor can Washington escape accountability for its profligate spending and having ruined American prosperity.

In November, Americans will go to the polls. The election itself will do more than test the integrity of the American electoral process. The election is also likely to ensure that Biden is remembered for his intransigence; his refusal to change course, like Herbert Hoover in 1932. Democrats will recall that their predecessors in the Democratic Party effectively ran against Hoover for more than a half century. Republicans may end up running against Joe Biden for the next 50 years.
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a sign of weakness
 
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MrTop

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The combined GDP of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization nations is nearly 30 times that of Russia’s, and their defense spending is 15 times that of the Kremlin’s.
 
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MrTop

EOG Master
mr merlin said:

When The Lies Come Home​

[IMG alt="Tyler Durden's Photo"]https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-...thumbnail/public/pictures/picture-5.jpg[/IMG]
by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Jun 18, 2022 - 10:30 PM
Authored by Douglas MacGregor via TheAmericanConservative.com,
After lying for months, the media are preparing the public for Ukraine’s military collapse...

Diogenes, one of the ancient world’s illustrious philosophers, believed that lies were the currency of politics, and those lies were the ones he sought to expose and debase. To make his point, Diogenes occasionally carried a lit lantern through the streets of Athens in the daylight. If asked why, Diogenes would say he was searching for an honest man.

Finding an honest man today in Washington, D.C., is equally challenging. Diogenes would need a Xenon Searchlight in each hand.

Still, there are brief moments of clarity inside the Washington establishment. Having lied prolifically for months to the American public about the origins and conduct of the war in Ukraine, the media are now preparing the American, British, and other Western publics for Ukraine’s military collapse. It is long overdue.

The Western media did everything in its power to give the Ukrainian defense the appearance of far greater strength than it really possessed. Careful observers noted that the same video clips of Russian tanks under attack were shown repeatedly. Local counterattacks were reported as though they were operational maneuvers.

Russian errors were exaggerated out of all proportion to their significance. Russian losses and the true extent of Ukraine’s own losses were distorted, fabricated, or simply ignored. But conditions on the battlefield changed little over time. Once Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves in static defensive positions inside urban areas and the central Donbas, the Ukrainian position was hopeless. But this development was portrayed as failure by the Russians to gain “their objectives.”

Ground-combat forces that immobilize soldiers in prepared defenses will be identified, targeted, and destroyed from a distance. When persistent overhead intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, whether manned or unmanned, are linked to precision guided-strike weapons or modern artillery systems informed by accurate targeting data, “holding ground” is fatal to any ground force. This is all the more true in Ukraine, because it was apparent from the first action that Moscow focused on the destruction of Ukrainian forces, not on the occupation of cities or the capture of Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper River.

The result has been the piecemeal annihilation of Ukrainian forces. Only the episodic infusion of U.S. and allied weapons kept Kiev’s battered legions in the field; legions that are now dying in great numbers thanks to Washington’s proxy war.

Kiev’s war with Moscow is lost. Ukrainian forces are being bled white. Trained replacements do not exist in sufficient numbers to influence the battle, and the situation grows more desperate by the hour. No amount of U.S. and allied military aid or assistance short of direct military intervention by U.S. and NATO ground forces can change this harsh reality.

The problem today is not ceding territory and population to Moscow in Eastern Ukraine that Moscow already controls. The future of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions along with the Donbas is decided. Moscow is also likely to secure Kharkov and Odessa, two cities that are historically Russian and Russian-speaking, as well as the territory that adjoins them. These operations will extend the conflict through the summer. The problem now is how to stop the fighting.

Whether the fighting stops in the early fall will depend on two key factors.

The first involves the leadership in Kiev. Will the Zelensky government consent to the Biden program for perpetual conflict with Russia?

If the Biden administration has its way, Kiev will continue to operate as a base for the buildup of new forces poised to threaten Moscow. In practice, this means Kiev must commit national suicide by exposing the Ukrainian heartland west of the Dnieper River to massive, devastating strikes by Russia’s long-range missile and rocket forces.

Of course, these developments are not inevitable. Berlin, Paris, Rome, Budapest, Bucharest, Sofia, Vilnius, Riga, Tallin, and, yes, even Warsaw, do not have to blindly follow Washington’s lead. Europeans, like most Americans, are already peering into the abyss of an all-encompassing economic downturn that Biden’s policies are creating at home. Unlike Americans who must cope with the consequences of Biden’s ill-conceived policies, European governments can opt out of Biden’s perpetual-war plan for Ukraine.

The second factor involves Washington itself. Having poured more than $60 billion or a little more than $18 billion a month in direct or indirect transfers into a Ukrainian state that is now crumbling, the important question is, what happens to millions of Ukrainians in the rest of the country that did not flee? And where will the funds come from to rebuild Ukraine’s shattered society in a developing global economic emergency?

When inflation costs the average American household an extra $460 per month to buy the same goods and services this year as they did last year, it is quite possible that Ukraine could sink quietly beneath the waves like the Titanic without evoking much concern in the American electorate. Experienced politicians know that the American span of attention to matters beyond America’s borders is so short that an admission of defeat in Ukraine would probably have little or no immediate consequences.

However, the effects of repeated strategic failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria are cumulative. In the 1980s, General Motors wanted to dictate the kind of automobiles Americans would buy, but American consumers had different ideas. That’s why G.M., which dominated the U.S. market for 77 years, lost its top spot to Toyota. Washington cannot dictate all outcomes, nor can Washington escape accountability for its profligate spending and having ruined American prosperity.

In November, Americans will go to the polls. The election itself will do more than test the integrity of the American electoral process. The election is also likely to ensure that Biden is remembered for his intransigence; his refusal to change course, like Herbert Hoover in 1932. Democrats will recall that their predecessors in the Democratic Party effectively ran against Hoover for more than a half century. Republicans may end up running against Joe Biden for the next 50 years.
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Reagan’s gas gambit sparks crisis​

About two decades later, the Reagan administration faced a similar dilemma.

In 1981, the Soviet Union was building a natural gas pipeline from Siberia to Western Europe. Seeing it as another threat, the Reagan administration tried to persuade European allies such as France and Germany to join its embargo of not only pipeline equipment for the project but financing too. They refused, and the U.S. responded with sanctions intended to prevent European companies from providing money or equipment to the project.

The gambit sparked an intra-Western crisis, sowing division between the U.S. and Europe, and resulting in a sanctions retreat just a few months later.

The pipeline was completed in 1984.





LOL the guy is blaming biden but reagan did little to stop europe putting in a pipeline under reagan's watch. Sanctions worked from the republicans LOL
 
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mr merlin

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MrTop said:
The combined GDP of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization nations is nearly 30 times that of Russia’s, and their defense spending is 15 times that of the Kremlin’s.
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The military's of the combined forces of Nato(with the exception of turkey) are essentially worthless without US support. Therefore the combined defense spending of them is meaningless.
 
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keep in mind russian reports have been mostly accurate during the war while the ukanians have spewed nothing but nonsense.
 
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mr merlin said:
The military's of the combined forces of Nato(with the exception of turkey) are essentially worthless without US support. Therefore the combined defense spending of them is meaningless.
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France & UK have nukes.. worthless? Israel not in nato but on the US side and they have nukes too


see which countries have aircraft carriers in NATO. Russia has 1 and it is in the shop for 2 more years
 
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mr merlin said:
Ukranians decapitate chechen soldiers - dont have to be a wizard to guess what's coming next.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1538406340657221632
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Russia said it hit military targets in Ukraine with sea-launched cruise missiles, including a strike on a planning meeting of Ukrainian commanders.

The war in Ukraine “could last for years,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told Germany’s Bild am Sonntag, saying the military alliance “must not let up on supporting” Kyiv. The new head of the British Army said his troops must be ready to “fight in Europe once again,” the Sun newspaper reported.



how does the war last years when joe will be voted out ? and the europe leaders too with energy/inflation ?


inflation might not go away though. Problem is if west gives up china sees it and they attack taiwan which will crash economies. New world order and new rules Bad for the west.
 
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mr merlin

EOG Master
MrTop said:
Russia said it hit military targets in Ukraine with sea-launched cruise missiles, including a strike on a planning meeting of Ukrainian commanders.

The war in Ukraine “could last for years,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told Germany’s Bild am Sonntag, saying the military alliance “must not let up on supporting” Kyiv. The new head of the British Army said his troops must be ready to “fight in Europe once again,” the Sun newspaper reported.



how does the war last years when joe will be voted out ? and the europe leaders too with energy/inflation ?


inflation might not go away though. Problem is if west gives up china sees it and they attack taiwan which will crash economies. New world order and new rules Bad for the west.
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I've read that Biden will let it go until late august, then pull the plug and hope voters consider it a non issue come november. What the situation on the battlefield is like then we dont know. I keep hearing of a pending ukrainian collapse that would allow russia to rapidly advance - possibly to complete their objectives in the east, but I've been hearing that for weeks now.

One thing is clear - the ukranians are out of ammo, the euro's are out of ammo and the US cant possibly ship weapons fast enough to compensate for battlefield losses. Then you have the reality that ukraine is shipping untrained men to the front to be slaughtered, unfit, older conscripts with a weeks training tops will be almost completely worthless.(not to mention if they dont want to be there they will run or surrender)

The US wants war, the UK apparently does as well - the rest of europe do not, we'll see how it plays out.
 
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MrTop

EOG Master
Basra Oil Co. will buy Exxon Mobil Corp.’s stake in the West Qurna-1 oil field in southern Iraq, Oil Minister Ihsan Abdul Jabbar told reporters on Sunday.
 
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MrTop

EOG Master

Germany Steps Up Measures to Conserve Gas as Russia Slows Supply to Europe​

Berlin to restart coal-fired plants and auction gas to reduce consumption​




go green will have to wait
 
mr merlin

mr merlin

EOG Master
MrTop said:
Basra Oil Co. will buy Exxon Mobil Corp.’s stake in the West Qurna-1 oil field in southern Iraq, Oil Minister Ihsan Abdul Jabbar told reporters on Sunday.
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Exactly, they're all pulling away from a weak US and moving to russia and china.

We're weak and leaderless and the whole world see's it.
 
mr merlin

mr merlin

EOG Master
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Europe really thought that they would spend the summer and fall figuring out how to replace russian oil and gas and then pull the plug on russia, Thought russia would just go along with it, how dumb are they?

They're about to find out who is in charge.

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mr merlin

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Somethings tells me the russians, Iranians, and saudi's are going to pull the plug on Biden's dreams, LOL. if i was the Saudi's I would stand next to Biden and announce a 2-3 million bbl cut in production and a total halt to exports to the US and europe.

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MrTop

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mr merlin said:
Every biden official said it was transitory, I wonder why they just make things like that up? it doesn't help them to be so wrong.
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  • Ukrainian artillery pounded Donetsk, the biggest Russian-controlled city in Donbas.
  • A Ukrainian missile attack on an ammunition warehouse likely came as a setback for Russia’s assault on Severodonetsk.
  • Russian missiles hit Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv, as well as oil refineries in northeastern and central regions.
 
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