SAddam was working deals with the Taliban and Al - Qaeda

dirty

EOG Master
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=440 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headlineblack style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px">Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=storytext style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px">Monday, June 26, 2006
Ray Robison
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Prologue:
Newly declassified documents captured by U.S. forces indicate that Saddam Hussein's inner circle not only actively reached out to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan and terror-based jihadists in the region, but also hosted discussions with a known Al Qaeda operative about creating jihad training "centers," possibly in Baghdad.
Ray Robison, a former member of the CIA-directed Iraq Survey Group (ISG), supervised a group of linguists to analyze, archive and exploit the hundreds of captured documents and materials of Saddam's regime.
This is the final installment in a three-part series concerning a notebook kept by an Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) agent called Khaled Abd El Majid, and covers events taking place in 1999. The translation is provided by Robison's associate, known here as ?Sammi.?
The first two translations from this notebook detailed an agreement between members of the Saddam regime and the Taliban to establish diplomatic and intelligence based cooperation. This final translation further advances the link between the Saddam regime and world-wide Islamic Jihad t

The relationship between the Taliban and Saddam appears to have been mediated by a Pakistani named Maulana Fazlur Rahman. Another document captured in Afghanistan and written by an Al Qaeda operative confirms the relationship between the Maulana and Saddam. The translation provided here includes an early 1999 meeting between the director of the IIS and the Maulana.
Another notebook entry records a meeting with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghani Islamic Jihadist and leader of the Islamic Party in Afghanistan. Hekmatyar made news recently with the BBC article Afghan Rebel?s pledge to al-Qaeda that reports on a video statement from Hekmatyar in which he states he will fight alongside A Qaeda. In this translation, Hekmatyar makes specific requests for a ?center? in Baghdad and/or Tajikistan.
A third meeting involves an Islamist representing Bangladesh that we believe to be Fazlur Rahman Khalil. Another page of the notebook indicates Khalil is coming or came to Iraq. Khalil is a Taliban/Al Qaeda associate who signed the 1998 fatwa from Usama bin Laden declaring war on the United States.
Editor's notes: "Sammi" puts translation clarifications in parenthesis. Robison (RR) uses parenthesis for clarification and bold-face type for emphasis.
Translation:
Translation for ISGP-2003-0001412 follows (PDF):
Page 70, Left Side:
Saturday 3/20 at 11:45
Met with him Mr. MS4 (translator?s note: MS4 is the code name for the high ranking IIS official).
1. Intelligence and security cooperation.
2. Mr. MS4 informed him that the Iraqi president and Iraqi leadership are interested in him.
3. ?We are ready to help you in any country and against your enemies?. (translator?s note: most probably this is MS4)
4. Fadlul Haq - The governor of Peshawar that was assassinated.
(translator?s note: points 5 and 6 are direct quotes from the Afghani)
5. ?We are facing a vicious international plot against the Islamic Party and cannot find any country to help us at the time being?.
6. ?Iran helped us at the beginning and we brought 2,000 fighters but things changed at the time being. Also the Russians called to help but we do not trust them. Moscow and Iran want the war to drag on.? (RR: this is probably the Taliban vs. Northern Alliance conflict). This is why he is coming to Baghdad for help. Asked Baghdad to help open a center in Tajikistan or in Baghdad and they will bring them (translator?s note: not clear what them refers to) in through Iran or Northern Iraq.
He asked for help in printing Afghani money in Baghdad or help in printing it in Moscow.
Page 69, Right Side:
Stinger missiles have a range of 5 kilometers. (translator?s note: there is only this one sentence on this page)
Page 69, Left Side:
Meeting of MS4 with 6951 on 4/10 at 8 p.m. in room 710.
He (6951) inquired about our relation with Usama (bin Laden).
(translator?s note: The Iraqi answer is not reported.).
He (6951) proposed to the Taliban to form a front with Iraq, Libya and Sudan.
He met some of them in Hajj (Translator?s note: Pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, it is one of the five pillars of Islam) and he came to the conclusion that they do not know anything about Foreign Relations.
The Taliban defense minister is Abdul Razzak (unclear) Association of Muslim Clerics.
They openly claim that they are against America.
He said that he was ready to build relations between the Taliban and Iraq.
(translator?s note: meeting continues on both sides of page 68/76, with questions about Pakistani politics and the other Islamic parties.) The Iraqi official says, ?I suggest that the parties come closer together because that means power to Islam against the American and Zionist policies?.
Page 39, Left Side:
Meeting with an Islamist leader from Bangladesh. He promises support to Iraq. He says: ?Let them know that I made Bangladesh a second country to Mr. President and we have 125 million (people).? (RR: Although no name is given for this meeting, it is important to note Fazlur Rahman Khalil, noted for meeting with Iraqi officials in the previous article, signed the 1998 fatwa as ?Fazlur Rahman, Amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh?. This is a strong indication that this meeting is with Khalil or his representative.)
Page 27, Left side:
(translator?s note: contains notes with information on prior meetings recorded in the notebook.)
The mentioned person (Translator?s note: Fazlur Rahman) arrived to the country on 11/27/1999 and he was hosted in Al Rachid Hotel suite number 526. He will leave on 12/1/1999.
(translator?s comment: note No. 1 in a list of notes.)
He visited Iraq on the beginning of April 1999 and the ex-director of the intelligence, may God rest his soul, instructed him to mediate between the Taliban and the leader of the Afghani Islamic party, Hekmatyar following the request for mediation done by Hekmatyar to the leadership of Iraq during a visit when they met us on 3/19/1999.
End Translation
Analysis:
Because Arabic writing is right to left, the pages in this notebook go in reverse chronological order. The note on page 27 indicates that Hekmatyar met with the IIS on March 19, 1999. The translation of page 70 is dated March 20 and it refers to someone from the Islamic Party, which is Hekmatyar?s group. Therefore it makes sense that the meeting on page 70 is with Hekmatyar.
The note on page 27 also says the meeting was with the director if the IIS, so we believe MS4 is his code-name. It appears that Hekmatyar, a jihadist leader warring with the Taliban for control of Afghanistan at the time, asked Baghdad ?to help open a center in Tajikistan or in Baghdad and they will bring them (translator?s note: not clear what them refers to) in through Iran or Northern Iraq.? There is a strong indication that this requested ?center? is a jihadist training camp.
From a US Department of State report Patterns of Global Terrorism, 1996:
Gulbuddin Hekmatyar ? maintained training and indoctrination facilities in Afghanistan, mainly for non-Afghans. They continue to provide logistic support and training facilities to Islamic extremists despite military losses in the past year. Individuals who trained in these camps were involved in insurgencies in ? Tajikistan?
It looks very much like Hekmatyar, a long-time jihad leader and recently self-identified Al Qaeda associate, is asking the Saddam regime for a jihad training camp in Tajikistan and/or Baghdad.
Page 27 tells us that the Maulana Fazlur Rahman was meeting with the IIS Director in early April. The meeting on page 69 fits the time frame, has the code for the IIS director, and the guest speaks for the Taliban indicating that ?6951? is the Maulana. According to these notes, the Maulana ?proposed to the Taliban to form a front with Iraq, Libya and Sudan.? He also enquires about the IIS relationship to Usama bin Laden.
In researching the Maulana, a third document has been found that demonstrated the relationship between Saddam and the Maulana. The document which appears to be an IIS memo also mentions a relationship with Hekmatyar. There is no government authentication of the document. Because this document matches closely with what we find in the IIS agent notebook we will reference it so that the reader may decide.
The article entitled Exclusive: Saddam Possessed WMD?s, Had Extensive Terror Ties states:
A senior government official who is not a political appointee provided CNSNews.com with copies of the 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service documents. The originals, some of which were hand-written and others typed, are in Arabic. CNSNews.com had the papers translated into English by two individuals separately and independent of each other.
The CNS report includes a translation of a memo from the IIS to Saddam. The memo is dated January 25, 1993. The subject is IIS influence with two groups: the JUI, led by Maulana Fazlur Rahman; and, the Afghani Islamic Party led by Hekmatyar. These are the same two men meeting with the IIS in Baghdad in 1999, according to the notebook.
The document states that the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) depended upon Pakistani support as well as foreign help from Iraq and Libya. It also mentions that the secretary general of the JUI has had a good relationship with the IIS since 1981, and that he is ?ready for any mission?.
The IIS document reported on by CNS News also states that the Islamic Party of Hekmatyar relies on Iraqi funding. It says the relationship has existed since 1989 and has improved under Hekmatyar?s leadership. Although this document has not yet been validated by the U.S, government, we can see very specific information, not publicly available before 2004, that matches what we find in the IIS notebook. It indicates a long history of Saddam regime support to Islamic jihad groups, and that the IIS considers them organizations that will take on missions for Iraq?s interests.
Epilogue:
Let?s review what we have learned from the IIS notebook.
? We learned that in 1999 the IIS met with three significant leaders of Islamic jhad from Afghanistan: a warlord and Islamic jihadist; an Al Qaeda leader; and, a man known as the ?Father of the Taliban.?
? The Saddam regime and Taliban leadership agreed to diplomatic ties and a secret intelligence service relationship. They discussed security cooperation with Hekmatyar?s Islamic Jihad group. The Taliban representative also agreed to support the Saddam regime in Pakistan?s North-West Frontier, a region sympathetic to and actively involved with the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the world-wide Islamic jihad movement. An Islamist, most likely the Al Qaeda and Taliban affiliated Fazlur Rahman Khalil, promised the support of Bangladesh.
? We see a request to the Saddam regime for a training center in Baghdad or Tajikistan from a jihad leader accused by the U.S. State Department during the Clinton Administration of running Islamic extremist training camps.
? There is a discussion about transporting something into these centers, including a discussion that appears to mention surface-to-air missiles.
? And, we have numerous statements of Islamic fidelity between Afghani jihad leaders and the Saddam regime, with many statements of mutual animosity towards the United States and intent to cooperate.
This notebook thus provides significant evidence that the Saddam regime collaborated with and supported Islamic jihad elements in Afghanistan at a time when the Taliban and Al Qaeda were attacking United States citizens and their interests and plotting the 9/11 attacks.
In this notebook, we see a Saddam Hussein actively seeking to expand his sphere of influence in a region at the heart of the world-wide Islamic jihad movement.
This now-public relationship between Maulana Fazlur Rahman and Saddam Hussein deserves great scrutiny.
As we researched the Maulana, a picture came into focus that our team was not looking to find: The Maulana is a senior leader of an affiliation of Pakistani groups supportive of Islamic jihad. These groups include the JUI and the Jamaat Islami (JI). The JUI provided direct support to both the planner and paymaster of the 9/11 attacks. The Pakistani government accused the JI of working with Al Qaeda. The Maulana mediated an intelligence pact between the IIS and the Taliban.
Clearly, this evidence indicates that the Maulana was in a position to procure assistance from Iraq for the 9/11 attacks.
Dr. Laurie Mylroie, an expert on Iraq, testified in front of the 9/11 commission in 2003:
After al Qaeda moved to Afghanistan, Iraqi intelligence became deeply involved with it, probably, with the full agreement of Usama bin Ladin. Al Qaeda provided the ideology, foot soldiers, and a cover for the terrorist attacks; Iraqi intelligence provided the direction, training, and expertise?
This notebook demonstrates that Islamic jihad leaders in Afghanistan were seeking IIS assistance and Saddam was giving them that assistance.
The author welcomes your comment on the translation and analysis of this document. You can contact Ray Robison by emailing him at: saddamdossier@gmail.com.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Most definitely...but what will be funny in the morning And I am going to call it right now is that Doc and company will call it BS just becuase the article came from Fox....:D :D They don't believe anything unless it comes from a left wing Blog and call it credible...
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Nooo ... I dont believe anything that comes from our govt

Remember the "historic" falling of the Hussein statue that WAS RIGGED ??

Remember the "heroic" rescue of Pvt Jessica Lynch??

Remember the Mobile Chem Weapons facility that Powell lied about?

Remember Santorum lying last week on FOX News about finding WMDs'??


The Saudis are the real problem but no way in hell is Bush gonna address that issue ... Man, the Righties are a "desperate" pack these days
 
Saddam and all terroist muslims that preach the Koran would make a deal with the Devil if they could....Actully I think the Devil is the actual author of the Koran....So this is nothing new....Doc FYI....I'm reffering to the actual Devil, and not the poster.....LOL :doh1
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
I am sure you could say the same thing about the US Govt. as well D! What's your point? Should the US be invaded for dealing with Saddam and Al Qaeda, especially Rumsfeld and Cheney - are they terrorists too? Traitors?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Remember Dumbsfeld when "love was in the air"???

Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.
 

dirty

EOG Master
doc mercer said:
Nooo ... I dont believe anything that comes from our govt

Remember the "historic" falling of the Hussein statue that WAS RIGGED ??

Remember the "heroic" rescue of Pvt Jessica Lynch??

Remember the Mobile Chem Weapons facility that Powell lied about?

Remember Santorum lying last week on FOX News about finding WMDs'??


The Saudis are the real problem but no way in hell is Bush gonna address that issue ... Man, the Righties are a "desperate" pack these days

Doc we did find the WMD's last week...when the hell does it matter when they were manufactured....if they were older then that just means he lied when he said he got rid of all of them after the first Gulf war like he was supposed to.. No matter what he had them and could use them....WMD's are WMD's no matter when they were produced...:cheers
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
dirty said:
Doc we did find the WMD's last week...when the hell does it matter when they were manufactured....if they were older then that just means he lied when he said he got rid of all of them after the first Gulf war like he was supposed to.. No matter what he had them and could use them....WMD's are WMD's no matter when they were produced...:cheers
That's why Bush was so pissed when none could be found......because Cheney and Rumsfeld had given WMD's to Saddam and they knew it! :hung
 

dirty

EOG Master
ZZ CREAM said:
That's why Bush was so pissed when none could be found......because Cheney and Rumsfeld had given WMD's to Saddam and they knew it! :hung



he still possesed them and was supposed to get rid of them...they were still useable...How can anyone argue that..The argument was not he had New WMD's...It was that he Had WMD's never did it state they had to be made in the last 4-5 years. That is just a convenient Excuse for the Left to not admit anything was found...and is still is not over and I am sure more willbe found when we search the rest of the country...or find someone to tell us hwere they are hidden....But the left will just claim they were planted or was a paid informant.....Bush and our military is in a No win situation here.
 

gopherbob

EOG Dedicated
dirty said:
he still possesed them and was supposed to get rid of them...they were still useable...How can anyone argue that..The argument was not he had New WMD's...It was that he Had WMD's never did it state they had to be made in the last 4-5 years. That is just a convenient Excuse for the Left to not admit anything was found...and is still is not over and I am sure more willbe found when we search the rest of the country...or find someone to tell us hwere they are hidden....But the left will just claim they were planted or was a paid informant.....Bush and our military is in a No win situation here.

nobody denies that he had wmd's, we sold them, but how usable were they and were they such a threat that we should be willing to waste 2500 american lives and spend about a trillion dollars to find them ?
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
dirty said:
.....Bush and our military is in a No win situation here.
That, I agree with. His cache of weaponry was so small, who was he gonna hurt with them, if they work at all? Hell. Castro has more weapons of mass destruction than Saddam. Are we gonna get the humanitarian reason for taking out Saddam, if so,Kim Jong Il has taken out MILLIONS more people than Saddam. What's that tell you? Bush really only cares about money -money for his pals.
 
ok so now you lefties are saying yes they did have wmd..but..
the aresenal was so small it doesnt matter..:doh1

flip flop flip flop .
whats next
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Yeah, those WMD's are about as potent as some of the stuff I have under my kitchen sink ...

and who supplied those to Iraq? RONNIE REAGAN AND COMPANY!!
 
We knew about those before the invasion. We left them there in Desert Storm. So this is the second time we have found these same cache's
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
KTBKRUSHER said:
ok so now you lefties are saying yes they did have wmd..but..
the aresenal was so small it doesnt matter..:doh1

flip flop flip flop .
whats next
We knew they had em, that's why Bush and Co. used them to as their back-up to invade them. They're just pissed they couldn't find anything substantial or not out of date, like outdated milk, their WMD's were a joke.

Could you imagine how pissed W was at Cheney and Rumsfeld? They knew he had WMD's because they were the ones that gave them to him. Are you guys as gullible to all of this or just can't find any better stories/lies to 'help' the cause?

Sad, we used to all be on the same team before Limbaugh!:( :( :(
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
ZZ CREAM said:
That, I agree with. His cache of weaponry was so small, who was he gonna hurt with them, if they work at all? Hell. Castro has more weapons of mass destruction than Saddam. Are we gonna get the humanitarian reason for taking out Saddam, if so,Kim Jong Il has taken out MILLIONS more people than Saddam. What's that tell you? Bush really only cares about money -money for his pals.
Bump for an answer - anybody?:cheers
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
dirty said:
His time is coming...you can bank on that....The Troll will get his
I knew you would come around D! That's a good one, I like it. Bush - The Troll!:+thumbs-2 :doh1 :+thumbs-2 :doh1
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Doc, I lose your logic when you say Ronald Reagan gave those weapons to Saddam...Of course we gave them to him....no denying it......we also gave arms to the Russians when we were allied with them......and we destroyed Japan when they were the enemy......We were also friends with Iran at one time.........

Times change, friends are no longer friends and enemies are no longer enemies.......

So what point were you trying to make????
 
LETS MAKE THIS CLEAR ZZ..
YOU AND I WERE CLEARLY NEVER ON THE SAME TEAM..NOR DOC AND I.
RUSH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

:doh1
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
KTBKRUSHER said:
LETS MAKE THIS CLEAR ZZ..
YOU AND I WERE CLEARLY NEVER ON THE SAME TEAM..NOR DOC AND I.
RUSH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

:doh1
Me and Doc's Team is the one that cared for America and stood for freedom, justice and liberty for all. I can easily see how you would not ever want to be on that team - you are part of the problem. Not willing to stand up and fight for what we need to do to make America herself again.

Rush was never on that team either - he started the divide America and let's hate Club which you seem to want to be on. Good Luck with you all's agenda of hate. We obviously cannot stop you all. Thank God for Canada! It's not what America used to be but better than what the US is now.
 

The Devil

EOG Master
ZZ CREAM said:
Me and Doc's Team is the one that cared for America and stood for freedom, justice and liberty for all. I can easily see how you would not ever want to be on that team - you are part of the problem. Not willing to stand up and fight for what we need to do to make America herself again.

Rush was never on that team either - he started the divide America and let's hate Club which you seem to want to be on. Good Luck with you all's agenda of hate. We obviously cannot stop you all. Thank God for Canada! It's not what America used to be but better than what the US is now.

So if anyone disagrees with you and Doc ZZ we are on the wrong team??? What makes you think that you are the good guys and we are the bad guys???? Your opinion??? The same way you feel about our opinion, we feel about yours.....we feel you are part of the problem....

you are right about one thing in your comments....I DON'T WANT TO BE ON YOUR TEAM.....I WANT TO BE ON THE TEAM THAT PROTECTS AMERICA, NOT TRIES TO TEAR IT DOWN. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DON'T EVER WANT TO BE ON A TEAM THAT HOLDS MICHAEL MOORE IN ESTEEM !!!!!!!!
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Lets see who the Right holds in "Esteem":

* George Bush ... AWOL over Coke Useage
Only President with Police record

* Anne Coulter ... mocks Vet Max Cleland who lost 3 limbs in service
mocks widows of 9-11
advocates killing Vet John Murtha
advocates killing Federal Judge

* Karl Rove ..... attacks Vet McCain with lies about his family

* Bill O'Reilly ..... encourages Al Queda to blow up San Francisco

* William Bennett .... supports aborting all black babies

* Dick Cheney .... use 5 Deferments to get out of service to this country
did not vote in US Presidential elections for 12 yrs
2 DWIs and nearly killed 78 yr old man drunk w/shotgun
Fleeced Halliburton retirement pension to cost of 50k
per employee
Involved in Enron California Energy scandal


Yeah, that is some list to be proud of
 

The Devil

EOG Master
SAME OLD NONSENSE....SURE CHENEY DID ALL THAT....YOU LEFT OUT HE KIDNAPPED THE LINDBERG BABY, WAS A HIRED GUN FOR CHARLES MANSON AND WAS TEDDY KENNEDY'S DRIVER AT CHAPAQUIDICK......
 

B 2 1

EOG Veteran
"Dick Cheney .... use 5 Deferments to get out of service to this country."

WHY OH WHY DOCSTER DO YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT YOURSELF. TELL ALL OF US HOW MANY DEFERMENTS YOU USED. ANSWER NONE. YOU CHOOSE TO AVOID SERVING YOUR COUNTRY. SAD COMMENTARY FROM SOMEONE WITH YOUR ALTURSTIC VALUES. PLEASE TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC.

THANX,B
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
The Devil said:
So if anyone disagrees with you and Doc ZZ we are on the wrong team??? What makes you think that you are the good guys and we are the bad guys???? Your opinion??? The same way you feel about our opinion, we feel about yours.....we feel you are part of the problem....

you are right about one thing in your comments....I DON'T WANT TO BE ON YOUR TEAM.....I WANT TO BE ON THE TEAM THAT PROTECTS AMERICA, NOT TRIES TO TEAR IT DOWN. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DON'T EVER WANT TO BE ON A TEAM THAT HOLDS MICHAEL MOORE IN ESTEEM !!!!!!!!
If you do not support the immediate withdrawal of our brave troops than you are as bad and as evil as George W Bush - in my opinion. Yes. And I'm glad you would like to be on our team, but first you must give up GWB and his lies and embrace the ideals of what America used to stand for- truth, justice and liberty for all. Not just GWB's rich crook pals and the liars of the right. We will love you and treat everyone in the world with respect and not smirk in mock approval if you do not agree. Welcome aboard the team Devil - of course, most of us love Jesus so you would have to change your monikker! LOL!
 

The Devil

EOG Master
ZZ, STAY IN CANADA....RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP....STAY IN THE COUNTRY THAT IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS AMERICA ONCE WAS.....AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A HOUSE FOR DOC.....
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
The Devil said:
ZZ, STAY IN CANADA....RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP....STAY IN THE COUNTRY THAT IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS AMERICA ONCE WAS.....AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A HOUSE FOR DOC.....
No, will never renounce my US citizenship. Will continue to work for the return of American values and ideals from afar for my beloved homeland which has been usurped by evilness and warmongers who care nothing about what 'America' really stands for. Freedom, justice and fairness for all. If you have the courage, you too can vote with your feet!
 

The Devil

EOG Master
ZZ CREAM said:
No, will never renounce my US citizenship. Will continue to work for the return of American values and ideals from afar for my beloved homeland which has been usurped by evilness and warmongers who care nothing about what 'America' really stands for. Freedom, justice and fairness for all. If you have the courage, you too can vote with your feet!

WARMONGERS......TAKE A LOOK AT OUR HISTORY.....WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR OF SOMEKIND OVER 20% OF OUR 230 YEARS.....AND MOST OF THOSE WITH A DEMOCRAT AT THE HELM......FREEDOM ISN'T FREE........FREEDOM COMES AT A GREAT COST, USUALLY HUMAN LIVES.........WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS KEPT US FREE FOR 230 YEARS??? GUYS LIKE DOC OR VALIANT SOLDIERS THAT FOUGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS?????:smoke
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
The Devil said:
WARMONGERS......TAKE A LOOK AT OUR HISTORY.....WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR OF SOMEKIND OVER 20% OF OUR 230 YEARS.....AND MOST OF THOSE WITH A DEMOCRAT AT THE HELM......FREEDOM ISN'T FREE........FREEDOM COMES AT A GREAT COST, USUALLY HUMAN LIVES.........WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS KEPT US FREE FOR 230 YEARS??? GUYS LIKE DOC OR VALIANT SOLDIERS THAT FOUGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS?????:smoke
Most wars we have fought needed to be fought. Even this war wouldn't have been bad if we had stopped after winning and then killed Saddam and his kids. But you hypocrits support a Nation-Building President that has gotten over two thousand good men and women killed - for nothing! The right has no shame whatsoever. Almost everyone of you condemned Clinton in Bosnia for way less and now show your true colors when W should be stopped, and you guys protest this injustice less than Sheep and their BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH's!
 

dirty

EOG Master
HOw can you say this war was Fought for nothing.... do you have a time machine that can go back and tell the world if we would have been attacked again on our soil if we didn't go on the offensive... and can you tell me what is going to be found in the MIllions of Documents we are translating now....If we would have sat on our hands we would have seen many more attacks....If this Invasion Saves on Innocent Citizen's Life it was worth it... The Soldiers are doing what they are Trained and paid to do and they obviously think it is worth it becuase reenlistment Numbers are at a all time high... If they thought we were fighting for nothing don't you think more than 600 would be AWOL....LMAO

and don't give me this Bullshit that Saddam wasn't in bed with Terrorists.,... we all know he was... the evidence is there...Audio tapes and Such have been played at the UN with Saddam;s people talking to AQ, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc...The un admits as much....you lefty's just don't want to admit it...
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
dirty said:
HOw can you say this war was Fought for nothing.... do you have a time machine that can go back and tell the world if we would have been attacked again on our soil if we didn't go on the offensive... and can you tell me what is going to be found in the MIllions of Documents we are translating now....If we would have sat on our hands we would have seen many more attacks....If this Invasion Saves on Innocent Citizen's Life it was worth it... The Soldiers are doing what they are Trained and paid to do and they obviously think it is worth it becuase reenlistment Numbers are at a all time high... If they thought we were fighting for nothing don't you think more than 600 would be AWOL....LMAO

and don't give me this Bullshit that Saddam wasn't in bed with Terrorists.,... we all know he was... the evidence is there...Audio tapes and Such have been played at the UN with Saddam;s people talking to AQ, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc...The un admits as much....you lefty's just don't want to admit it...
I already said that I could live with the war. The problem is, we should have got the hell out once we won. Bush promised no NATION-BUILDING! Every soldier's death since we won the war has been a sin that can be directly linked to this crook in office and his administration.

Rumsfeld and Cheney were just as much in bed with terrorists, so don't play that holier than thou card. Bottom line, Bush and his pals profit while good young men and women die for nothing and you know it.

And soldiers don't mind enlisting/re-enlisting! They are heroes and deserve to be looked out for much better than they are now. Just because historically, soldiers have been expendable at the whims of their leaders does not make it right.

P.S. Usama and 19 guys sure got alot of bang for their bucks! We attacked a country with nothing to do with 9/11 and yet you guys still give Bush a pass. You guys are equally complicit for these good men and women's deaths for Bush and his pals' pocketbooks.
 
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