The General
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What do you think?
How long until The USA is bombing Iran?
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that is a tough one....I think it will be at least a month....depends on how bad Iran really wants in this thing...if they pull a all out assault on Israel it will be soon.... and I would not be surprised if some of our planes are not already doing Sorties and maybe dropping a bomb here and there....Israel uses the same weapons we do .... and I am sure our special Forces are inside with Mossad doing special ops in Iran, syria and gaza...
The General
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Iran is basically stating they want to fight right now. I believe a lot of this from Korea and Iran is because they see us tied up in Iraq. I do not think that will be an issue because I could see Bush using the bigger threat of Iran and syria as an excuse to in a round about way to pull troops from Iraq to attack Iran and let Iraq's civil war escalate. Not much Iraq can do now or EVER could IMO.
Which takes us back to the beginning. Why are we occupying Iraq anyhow? Why did we attack Iraq anyhow?
:+clueless
Maybe it had something to do with oil? Nah!!!!
Which takes us back to the beginning. Why are we occupying Iraq anyhow? Why did we attack Iraq anyhow?
:+clueless
Maybe it had something to do with oil? Nah!!!!
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Bush has nothing else he can sell this fall ....
he first needs an "incident" to justify it to the Sheep so watch out NYC since they cut by Homeland Security funding
he first needs an "incident" to justify it to the Sheep so watch out NYC since they cut by Homeland Security funding
Reno Paul
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Seems to me that Iran is pushing all the buttons right now. They are also in cahoots with North Korea as a distraction to the West. They are the main funder of Hezbollah and the funds funnel through Damascus is what I assume. Isreal attacks Syria and all hell breaks loose. Our poor troops in Iraq are somehow going to get involved.
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Iran and Syria just signed a Mutual Defense pact ....
Russia has a shitload of money invested in both Iran and Syria as well as selling missle technology to the Worlds Biggest Consumer of Cognac ...
ya know, the man Bush called a "Pgymy" - Mr Jong of North Korea
Russia has a shitload of money invested in both Iran and Syria as well as selling missle technology to the Worlds Biggest Consumer of Cognac ...
ya know, the man Bush called a "Pgymy" - Mr Jong of North Korea
The General
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Is that all fact doc?
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
General ...
Iran’s national security adviser Ali Larijani flies to Damascus aboard special military plane Wednesday night as war tension builds up around Hizballah kidnap of 2 Israeli soldiers
Larijani is also Iran’s senior nuclear negotiator. He will remain in Damascus for the duration of the crisis in line with the recently Iranian-Syrian mutual defense pact. His presence affirms that an Israeli attack on Syria will be deemed an assault on Iran. It also links the Israeli hostage crisis to Iran’s nuclear standoff with the West
-- story ran on Debka
Iran’s national security adviser Ali Larijani flies to Damascus aboard special military plane Wednesday night as war tension builds up around Hizballah kidnap of 2 Israeli soldiers
Larijani is also Iran’s senior nuclear negotiator. He will remain in Damascus for the duration of the crisis in line with the recently Iranian-Syrian mutual defense pact. His presence affirms that an Israeli attack on Syria will be deemed an assault on Iran. It also links the Israeli hostage crisis to Iran’s nuclear standoff with the West
-- story ran on Debka
The General
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What about Russia?
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
By Tom Regan <!--Jim Bencivenga--> <!--Matthew Clark -->| csmonitor.com
The day after Russian President Vladimir Putin told Israel's Channel 1 that his country's plan to sell antiaircraft missles to Syria is a "done deal," Israeli president Ariel Sharon said the plan was "a danger to Israel" and that he plans to bring it up with Vladimir Putin during the Russian president's historic visit to Israel next week.
Russian Chief of Staff General Yuri Baluyevsky just finished a trip to Syria. He met with Syrian Chief of Staff Ali Habib as well as numerous other military and political leaders.
Russia is selling weapons to Syria.
Last year the Russians sold Syria SA-18 missiles. The SA-18 is designed to be shoulder mounted and portable. But the ones that Russia sold have been tailored and altered for 4x4 truck mounts
Israel has been trying to apply as much pressure as it can to deter the Russians from selling Syrian the SA-18 missiles, but Russian President Vladimir Putin has not been convinced. He decided to go ahead with the sale after promising Sharon that the missiles would be vehicle-mounted, and impossible to convert into shoulder-launched rockets that could end up in the hands of one of the terror organizations that Damascus hosts.
The day after Russian President Vladimir Putin told Israel's Channel 1 that his country's plan to sell antiaircraft missles to Syria is a "done deal," Israeli president Ariel Sharon said the plan was "a danger to Israel" and that he plans to bring it up with Vladimir Putin during the Russian president's historic visit to Israel next week.
Russian Chief of Staff General Yuri Baluyevsky just finished a trip to Syria. He met with Syrian Chief of Staff Ali Habib as well as numerous other military and political leaders.
Russia is selling weapons to Syria.
Last year the Russians sold Syria SA-18 missiles. The SA-18 is designed to be shoulder mounted and portable. But the ones that Russia sold have been tailored and altered for 4x4 truck mounts
Israel has been trying to apply as much pressure as it can to deter the Russians from selling Syrian the SA-18 missiles, but Russian President Vladimir Putin has not been convinced. He decided to go ahead with the sale after promising Sharon that the missiles would be vehicle-mounted, and impossible to convert into shoulder-launched rockets that could end up in the hands of one of the terror organizations that Damascus hosts.
The General
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What a clusterfuk
The General
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And if Japan jumps in on N Korea then the refugee situation will force China into some type of decision process.
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
They are all in bed together ...
LONDON ? Teheran has been financing Pyongyang's intermediate and ICBM programs for nearly a decade, Western intelligence sources said. The funding has been part of a deal in which North Korea would share missile technology and equipment with Iran. "Anytime you hear of a North Korean success, translate that directly into an Iranian success," an intelligence source said. "You can be sure that within a few weeks, Iran will receive briefings, training and eventually production expertise from Pyongyang."
Iran is believed to have invested more than $1 billion in North Korean missile development, the sources said. In 2005, North Korea increased missile technology transfers to Teheran as it sought to accelerate the Shihab program.
On July 4, North fired six missiles, including a Taepodong-2, with a range of between 3,400 and 4,000 kilometers. But the flight of the Taepodong-2 lasted about 40 seconds and the missile fell in the Sea of Japan.
U.S. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said Pyongyang also fired two Scuds and three No-Dong missiles. Hadley called the launch of the Taepodong-2 a failure. A seventh North Korean missile was fired on July 5.
The sources said Iran has used North Korean technology for its Shihab-3 and -4 intermediate-range missile programs. Teheran has also sent Iranian engineers to Pyongyang for training in ICBM development.
LONDON ? Teheran has been financing Pyongyang's intermediate and ICBM programs for nearly a decade, Western intelligence sources said. The funding has been part of a deal in which North Korea would share missile technology and equipment with Iran. "Anytime you hear of a North Korean success, translate that directly into an Iranian success," an intelligence source said. "You can be sure that within a few weeks, Iran will receive briefings, training and eventually production expertise from Pyongyang."
Iran is believed to have invested more than $1 billion in North Korean missile development, the sources said. In 2005, North Korea increased missile technology transfers to Teheran as it sought to accelerate the Shihab program.
On July 4, North fired six missiles, including a Taepodong-2, with a range of between 3,400 and 4,000 kilometers. But the flight of the Taepodong-2 lasted about 40 seconds and the missile fell in the Sea of Japan.
U.S. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said Pyongyang also fired two Scuds and three No-Dong missiles. Hadley called the launch of the Taepodong-2 a failure. A seventh North Korean missile was fired on July 5.
The sources said Iran has used North Korean technology for its Shihab-3 and -4 intermediate-range missile programs. Teheran has also sent Iranian engineers to Pyongyang for training in ICBM development.
Doc Mercer
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Whose side is Russia on? North Korea's - East-Asia-Intel.com
SEOUL ? Russia has revealed its eagerness to sell information and technology to North Korea for use in Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program.
Alexei Grigoriev, deputy director of Russia's Federal Information Technologies Agency, told the Russian news agency Itar-Tass that Moscow was interested in "establishing contacts with the Korean side and discussing future cooperation."
Grigoriev cited as an example the sale of sophisticated gear to store and transport nuclear material. The company, Atlas, also was revealed to have opened talks with North Korea on encryption technology and security systems.
Prior to the missile launch Russia advised North Korea that it "strongly objects to any actions that can negatively influence regional stability and worsen nuclear crisis on the Korean peninsula." Russia, however, has lined up with China in the UN, opposing moves for sanctions in the UN Security Council where both China and Russia have veto power along with the U.S., France and Britain, which favor sanctions.
The exchanges between Russia and North Korea surfaced at an exhibition of information technology last month in Pyongyang while the North was preparing to test fire missiles, including the long-range Taepodong-2.
Many of the products on display had potential military as well as civilian applications, but North Korean military officers seemed mostly interested in their military potential.
Grigoriev was quoted as saying that North Korea wanted high-tech items to counter the "threat posed by international terrorism."
The London Daily Telegraph, in a report attributed in part to an anonymous "special correspondent" in Pyongyang, said that the Russian embassy in Pyongyang later denied the report and that Grigoriev denied giving the interview.
The ambivalence displayed by Grigoriev's alleged comments, by the exhibition, and by the later denials all underlined Russia's historic and evolving role in the region.
The Telegraph cited sources close to the proposed sale as viewing it as "evidence of Russia's secret support for its Soviet-era ally, which was once a bulwark against Chinese influence in the Far East."
Nicholas Eberstadt, at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, was quoted as saying that Russia "seems more ambitious to restore that influence than to play a positive role in international affairs." Russia's President Vladimir Putin, he noted, had suggested several years ago that Moscow, "as a protector and provider for the North Korean regime, launch a North Korean satellite."
After the missiles were fired on July 4, the Russian Foreign Ministry contented itself with a statement to the effect that the missiles had endangered shipping and "violated the commonly accepted world practice of giving a warning."
SEOUL ? Russia has revealed its eagerness to sell information and technology to North Korea for use in Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program.
Alexei Grigoriev, deputy director of Russia's Federal Information Technologies Agency, told the Russian news agency Itar-Tass that Moscow was interested in "establishing contacts with the Korean side and discussing future cooperation."
Grigoriev cited as an example the sale of sophisticated gear to store and transport nuclear material. The company, Atlas, also was revealed to have opened talks with North Korea on encryption technology and security systems.
Prior to the missile launch Russia advised North Korea that it "strongly objects to any actions that can negatively influence regional stability and worsen nuclear crisis on the Korean peninsula." Russia, however, has lined up with China in the UN, opposing moves for sanctions in the UN Security Council where both China and Russia have veto power along with the U.S., France and Britain, which favor sanctions.
The exchanges between Russia and North Korea surfaced at an exhibition of information technology last month in Pyongyang while the North was preparing to test fire missiles, including the long-range Taepodong-2.
Many of the products on display had potential military as well as civilian applications, but North Korean military officers seemed mostly interested in their military potential.
Grigoriev was quoted as saying that North Korea wanted high-tech items to counter the "threat posed by international terrorism."
The London Daily Telegraph, in a report attributed in part to an anonymous "special correspondent" in Pyongyang, said that the Russian embassy in Pyongyang later denied the report and that Grigoriev denied giving the interview.
The ambivalence displayed by Grigoriev's alleged comments, by the exhibition, and by the later denials all underlined Russia's historic and evolving role in the region.
The Telegraph cited sources close to the proposed sale as viewing it as "evidence of Russia's secret support for its Soviet-era ally, which was once a bulwark against Chinese influence in the Far East."
Nicholas Eberstadt, at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, was quoted as saying that Russia "seems more ambitious to restore that influence than to play a positive role in international affairs." Russia's President Vladimir Putin, he noted, had suggested several years ago that Moscow, "as a protector and provider for the North Korean regime, launch a North Korean satellite."
After the missiles were fired on July 4, the Russian Foreign Ministry contented itself with a statement to the effect that the missiles had endangered shipping and "violated the commonly accepted world practice of giving a warning."
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Big question ...
when does China make its move on Taiwan???
Think about it ... N Korea fucking with the United State / our kids bogged down in Iraq and a full scale shootout on the verge of breaking out that most likely brings our kids into the skirmish
If we make it out of 2006 without a big "incident" I will be shocked
when does China make its move on Taiwan???
Think about it ... N Korea fucking with the United State / our kids bogged down in Iraq and a full scale shootout on the verge of breaking out that most likely brings our kids into the skirmish
If we make it out of 2006 without a big "incident" I will be shocked
The General
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Good point
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We may not make it out of July Doc.
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Hang in there ...
Cheney has August 22nd in the WHITE HOUSE NUKE IRAN pool and got a feeling with Diebold still alive and kicking July is safe
I am telling ya ... if Syria gets in the mix and any of that nasty VX gas
flies all bets are off and Condi may indeed get to see that Mushroom
Cloud
Cheney has August 22nd in the WHITE HOUSE NUKE IRAN pool and got a feeling with Diebold still alive and kicking July is safe
I am telling ya ... if Syria gets in the mix and any of that nasty VX gas
flies all bets are off and Condi may indeed get to see that Mushroom
Cloud
Shortbus
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this is indeed becoming a VERY scary situation.
We will have to do something in just about all of the situations and it sucks because of what we're doing in Iraq.
Of course, we're already over there...not that it really helps.
Does anyone see any uneventful resolution to any of this?
I do not.
We will have to do something in just about all of the situations and it sucks because of what we're doing in Iraq.
Of course, we're already over there...not that it really helps.
Does anyone see any uneventful resolution to any of this?
I do not.