A travel note for DRINK

Sweden is now acknowledging that its no lockdown policy was a public health disaster and is getting ready to impose some lockdowns, although they're going to try to make them voluntary at first. They didn't come anywhere close to herd immunity and their per capita death rate compared to neighbours Norway and Finland (who did lock down) is about 20 times higher. Here's the per capita deaths per million population as reported on statista.com:

United States - 676
Sweden - 582
Canada - 267
Denmark - 119
Finland - 64
Norway - 52

Sweden is a failure. A bit worse than the USA, but then again the USA has no real national strategy, a president who openly calls public health experts "idiots" and a huge percentage of the population who simply won't adhere to guidelines even when they're issued.

https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...wn-strategy-amid-growing-case-numbers-2020-10

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/ont...op-closing-regions.727468/page-2#post-6842580
 
"The catch is we don’t live in a young-only scenario. In the real world, asymptomatic spreaders also give the virus to the vulnerable and older people. That’s what happened in Sweden, where COVID-19 took a heavy toll on the older population. Something similar is now happening elsewhere. In the U.S., the virus is spreading fastest among young adults, but those outbreaks eventually reach the older population."
 
"The reality at this point in the pandemic, however, is that a great many older people actually want to isolate from potentially contagious youngsters. But for all those who wish to stay independent — that is, to keep out of nursing homes — doing so is often difficult, if not impossible. They must still shop for groceries and run errands, visit their doctors for standard medical care, deal with government bureaucracies and so forth. With each contact, they risk infection.

Good policy can make this easier. Let’s hire and train an “army of angels.” They’d be constantly screened and tested for the virus. And if safe, they’d see to the needs of anybody who voluntarily and temporarily wants to eliminate social contacts for health reasons. The offer would be open to anybody old, sick or otherwise immunocompromised.

Policy makers could thereby turn a negative — a coercive lockdown of one group — into a positive: the voluntary use of a public support service. It would be a demonstration that freedom and solidarity can dovetail. And it might even aid, rather than strain, cohesion among the generations."

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinio...-commentary/rights-wrongs-targeted-lockdowns/
 

Foresthill

EOG Addicted
Why didn't we quarantine the elderly and high-risk individuals and let others run free?

Made no sense to me.

Coronavirus is highly contagious and everyone has the same susceptibility to getting coronavirus as any other virus. Once contracted corona virus is more deadly to the "high risk groups".

The problem with young people getting it besides unknown long term consequences is that they are a vector for, sometimes, unwittingly (the cavalier are not unwitting) spreading the disease to those at higher risk of death after contracting the disease.

Also, asymptomatic young people are more likely to spread the disease than others because they are more likely to be asymptomatic.
 
Coronavirus is highly contagious and everyone has the same susceptibility to getting coronavirus as any other virus. Once contracted corona virus is more deadly to the "high risk groups".

The problem with young people getting it besides unknown long term consequences is that they are a vector for, sometimes, unwittingly (the cavalier are not unwitting) spreading the disease to those at higher risk of death after contracting the disease.

Also, asymptomatic young people are more likely to spread the disease than others because they are more likely to be asymptomatic.

This all argues for quarantining the elderly and high risk and not the young because you can't prevent its spread.
 
Quarantine how? Voluntarily? Militarily? It has already been long since recommended that "high risk" people be protected & protect themselves. Yet even with that infections among the elderly are rising:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/europe/europe-coronavirus-older-people-intl/index.html

They have been warned. Just like we all have been warned smoking will kill us, yet a lot of people still do it. You can't do much more, just like there are quarantine orders out for some states, they aren't enforcing them because they just can't handle such an exercise and even if they tried the courts would shut it down.
 
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