A couple of days ago we had a nice discussion about whether Bookmakers should post on forums.
http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8534
There were great points made both for and against and I thank all who posted (please feel free to continue the discussion).
As many of you know, when we started EOG, Millenium contacted us about advertising. After much deliberation amongst the staff of EOG we decided that it would be in our best interest not to accept Millenium due to the fact that they are owned by BOS. We wanted EOG's advertisers to represent the Best of the Best the Offshore world has to offer and clearly BOS and any book affiliated with them fall short. This was not an easy decision for me as the owner of Millenium, what I thought at the time, a friend.
I do not like to rehash history, but you all know what happened next. Norm came onto the forums and acted like some reform school dropout turned down for a date. In my many years in this industry I do not believe I have seen a worse performance by a book.
In the Bookmaker thread above I noted these actions by Millenium as an example of how a book should not act when posting. I was merely citing a current, relevant example relating to the discussion.
You can imagine my shock when I read this email yesterday:
<b>
From: Norm
To: THE SHRINK
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:49 PM
Subject: Fw: Asshole
Dr. Putz,
Someone brought to my attention the fact that you had made a derogatory remark within a thread on the EOG forum concerning Millennium that stated something to the fact that, "Millennium comes to mind as a perfect example of a sports book to avoid and here's why...
Now, you and I had our little go around last August, where you and I bilaterally vented our anger using the RX forum, and your forum shill, Jay Cohen, which went as far as to publish my BOP number to the public. At that time I reluctantly backed off from telling the world of your past history of using your profession as a vehicle to dispense controlled substances that were not intended for their prescribed purpose or about your arrest, or your cooperation with the authorities. I let it all drop and went on with my life, and nothing derogatory has since been posted by me on any forum concerning Ken Weitzner, or EOG for that matter.
In reviewing this thread personally I find it somewhat comical to even conceive that we were friends in the past, simply business associates. And as a RX sponsor, for many years my company helped put food on the table for your family. It's was your choice to omit any company that you wished from your gambling site, but you can't use that site as pedestal to utter blasphemy about that company which you omitted. I find this hard to bear since I own a considerable amount of stock in that company, which is perfectly legal to do, since it's a publicly offered company on the British Stock Exchange. Now you are making attempts to take food off the table of my family. If someone did this to you I'm sure you would consider retaliatory measures. As an owner of a watchdog sportsbook site, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that the DOJ frowns on US citizens who perpetuate offshore sportsbooks, especially those who reside on North American soil. They have threatened many affluent radio, TV, and publishing mediums with aiding and abetting if they continued these practices. This, I'm sure; is one of the reasons you sold the RX in the past to a Canadian company. I, for one, keep very methodical records, to the extent that I file all of my email in folders for eternity (since 1999). I also have wire documentation of wires sent to your company in the past, which corresponds to email requests made by you personally. Let's see.oh yes.how about that 700 package that you had with Millennium Sports? And how about those wires that were sent to your offshore bank account corresponding to the agent's balance due? Did you report all of this revenue to the IRS? Does the CID of the IRS and the DOJ know that you were an agent for an offshore sportsbook in the past? Yes, we all have little skeletons in our closets, don't we? I'm really sick of your shit, and you know what? .it's about time I found some ways to shut your fucking mouth once and for all. **</b>
So now we have a new issue before us:
SHOULD BOOKMAKERS USE EMAIL?
Based on the above, my vote is a thunderous NO!
In passing , I do have one question for Norm - Did Gary and the Board of
Directors of this "publicly offered company on the British Stock Exchange"
approve your email?
P.S.
While I don't normally post personal emails, I felt this one was important enough to display so that gamblers can witness for themselves the type of bookmaker, BOS/Millenium is. If this can happen to me, it certainly can happen to you.
As much as you think the DOJ people frown upon those who accept ads from offshore sports books. what they really despise are those who operate them.
Not that I would ever do what you're threatening to do to me, but people who freely travel back and forth shouldnt cast stones, particularly those with prior convictions.
THE SHRINK
http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8534
There were great points made both for and against and I thank all who posted (please feel free to continue the discussion).
As many of you know, when we started EOG, Millenium contacted us about advertising. After much deliberation amongst the staff of EOG we decided that it would be in our best interest not to accept Millenium due to the fact that they are owned by BOS. We wanted EOG's advertisers to represent the Best of the Best the Offshore world has to offer and clearly BOS and any book affiliated with them fall short. This was not an easy decision for me as the owner of Millenium, what I thought at the time, a friend.
I do not like to rehash history, but you all know what happened next. Norm came onto the forums and acted like some reform school dropout turned down for a date. In my many years in this industry I do not believe I have seen a worse performance by a book.
In the Bookmaker thread above I noted these actions by Millenium as an example of how a book should not act when posting. I was merely citing a current, relevant example relating to the discussion.
You can imagine my shock when I read this email yesterday:
<b>
From: Norm
To: THE SHRINK
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:49 PM
Subject: Fw: Asshole
Dr. Putz,
Someone brought to my attention the fact that you had made a derogatory remark within a thread on the EOG forum concerning Millennium that stated something to the fact that, "Millennium comes to mind as a perfect example of a sports book to avoid and here's why...
Now, you and I had our little go around last August, where you and I bilaterally vented our anger using the RX forum, and your forum shill, Jay Cohen, which went as far as to publish my BOP number to the public. At that time I reluctantly backed off from telling the world of your past history of using your profession as a vehicle to dispense controlled substances that were not intended for their prescribed purpose or about your arrest, or your cooperation with the authorities. I let it all drop and went on with my life, and nothing derogatory has since been posted by me on any forum concerning Ken Weitzner, or EOG for that matter.
In reviewing this thread personally I find it somewhat comical to even conceive that we were friends in the past, simply business associates. And as a RX sponsor, for many years my company helped put food on the table for your family. It's was your choice to omit any company that you wished from your gambling site, but you can't use that site as pedestal to utter blasphemy about that company which you omitted. I find this hard to bear since I own a considerable amount of stock in that company, which is perfectly legal to do, since it's a publicly offered company on the British Stock Exchange. Now you are making attempts to take food off the table of my family. If someone did this to you I'm sure you would consider retaliatory measures. As an owner of a watchdog sportsbook site, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that the DOJ frowns on US citizens who perpetuate offshore sportsbooks, especially those who reside on North American soil. They have threatened many affluent radio, TV, and publishing mediums with aiding and abetting if they continued these practices. This, I'm sure; is one of the reasons you sold the RX in the past to a Canadian company. I, for one, keep very methodical records, to the extent that I file all of my email in folders for eternity (since 1999). I also have wire documentation of wires sent to your company in the past, which corresponds to email requests made by you personally. Let's see.oh yes.how about that 700 package that you had with Millennium Sports? And how about those wires that were sent to your offshore bank account corresponding to the agent's balance due? Did you report all of this revenue to the IRS? Does the CID of the IRS and the DOJ know that you were an agent for an offshore sportsbook in the past? Yes, we all have little skeletons in our closets, don't we? I'm really sick of your shit, and you know what? .it's about time I found some ways to shut your fucking mouth once and for all. **</b>
So now we have a new issue before us:
SHOULD BOOKMAKERS USE EMAIL?
Based on the above, my vote is a thunderous NO!
In passing , I do have one question for Norm - Did Gary and the Board of
Directors of this "publicly offered company on the British Stock Exchange"
approve your email?
P.S.
While I don't normally post personal emails, I felt this one was important enough to display so that gamblers can witness for themselves the type of bookmaker, BOS/Millenium is. If this can happen to me, it certainly can happen to you.
As much as you think the DOJ people frown upon those who accept ads from offshore sports books. what they really despise are those who operate them.
Not that I would ever do what you're threatening to do to me, but people who freely travel back and forth shouldnt cast stones, particularly those with prior convictions.
THE SHRINK
