SBR is getting What they Deserve... Go EOG

BillyTheKidisBS

EOG Member
I know SBR longer than most. Had many conversations with founder John Walker before Bill came on board.

Dozier claims to have 18+ years in the gaming industry? The kid is still in his 20s.

SBR made millions of dollars, each year, as a 'community activate' and earned the respect of many because, "We do not accept advertising dollars."

The Truth. Those A+ Books on SBR were each paying SBR upwards of $400,000.00 per month through an Affiliate program.

Affiliate Program is the same as Advertising Dollars in my book.

The SBR program was built by misleading the consumer.

Go here:
SBR - Sportsbook Review; The SBR Rating of over 750 Sportsbooks

I will bet anyone here can guess who pays SBR and who doesn't.

In closing.... Go EOG and The Shrink. Honesty will always pay off in the long run.

 
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Blondie

EOG Master
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Welcome to EOG Billy....

Interesting username and opinion.....

Care to tell us a little more about both?

Preferably without the links

Thanks!
 
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Welcome Kid :cheers

So what was Walker like in the beginning? Did he change over time?
 

mofome

Banned
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I dont believe that dozer said he had 18 years experience in the biz.
 

BillyTheKidisBS

EOG Member
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Welcome to EOG Billy....

Interesting username and opinion.....

Care to tell us a little more about both?

Preferably without the links

Thanks!

The link was to make a point. It was Not to promote SBR.
The opinion is what I have learned over the years. Strange that many people do not know the same.
The Username is my Opinion 2938u4ji23
 
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I dont believe that dozer said he had 18 years experience in the biz.
mo- I exposed him 5 years ago for that. He wrote articles for others before SBR and if he had the experience that he said, he was doing this since the age of 5.
 

Blondie

EOG Master
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The link was to make a point. It was Not to promote SBR.
The opinion is what I have learned over the years. Strange that many people do not know the same.
The Username is my Opinion 2938u4ji23

Can you pm me the link please....

I missed it. I was a little busy getting my kids settled into safety.
 

mofome

Banned
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mo- I exposed him 5 years ago for that. He wrote articles for others before SBR and if he had the experience that he said, he was doing this since the age of 5.

haha i will choose not to believe that.
 

BillyTheKidisBS

EOG Member
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I dont believe that dozer said he had 18 years experience in the biz.

He did Mo. Used to be posted on his site about 4 years ago when he first came on board.
I asked him about it on the phone once.
His explanation was, "I played cards with my dad once when I was 6 years old."
I swear that is what he said.
 
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The link was to make a point. It was Not to promote SBR.
The opinion is what I have learned over the years. Strange that many people do not know the same.
The Username is my Opinion 2938u4ji23

It would best to just list the A+ books instead of using a link. Thanks.

:thumbsup
 

Blondie

EOG Master
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So, Sir why should we believe you know these things what could you bring to the table right here and now to prove you are not just some random nutjob and that you legitimately know your shit?
 
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you folks need to think about letting this shit go.........................
 

Blondie

EOG Master
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you folks need to think about letting this shit go.........................

Teaze my main thing is why should we believe this guy......

What proof does he have that he knows what he is talking about?

If he is going to bash a site or a person, I want proof that he knows what he is talking about, or I won't believe a word he says
 

ChuteBoxe

EOG Master
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I'm not involved in this at all. SBR is homebase for me, Bill has always been a man of his word in MY dealings with him, and Mo is a true friend, on and off the boards. So, I'm not biased when I say this...

SBR needs to make money. Advertisers, affiliate deals, whatever you want to call it, it's all the same thing. It's how people get paid. Internet gaming is a 300 billion/year industry, and SBR makes what, .000001% of it? You also can't argue that Cris/BM/DSI, Pinnacle, and TheGreek/BetJam, are the safest books to leave your money in nowadays.
 

mofome

Banned
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I don't really know what to say. Obviously that was silly one his part, but i'm not going to rip him for saying something silly on the boards. Ive done it once or twice myself. fact is, i really don't want this day to be all about ripping people, Bill is a nice person and so is john. they are both fathers who have kids that seem healthy and happy. Thats what matters to me, this is mostly entertainment and time with friends.
 
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Here are my two favorite quotes. Original then Drunkguys

Who the hell
is Bill Dozer?

Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 (GST) By: Bill Dozer, SBR Analyst ? 2004 All rights reserved

It was 1991 and the Bulls were playing the Pistons in the NBA playoffs. The room was packed with squares who each had, what was for them, a substantial bet on the game. The keg was tapped and Marv Albert?s voice could be only faintly heard over the trash talking about whose bet was a lock and who made the wager guaranteed to lose. Sitting in the middle of the room with a cell phone in one hand and a notebook in the other, was the only guy not sweating the outcome. He wore a cocky expression as if he had already won. This was precisely the case, since he was the man smart enough to have taken all the wagers. He managed to book even action by steering the gamblers to his lines like livestock to a barn. This guy was not me. I was sitting to his left having just paid too much juice on one of my first wagers and running out of finger nails to chew on.

Fast forward thirteen years and I have become very familiar with inner workings of the offshore gambling industry. My course has taken me from a monopolizing local bookie to using numerous online shops. I have had years of experience wagering offshore, and therefore have a standard of what to expect from this type of business. Although, in the beginning betting online lead to taking a gamble in more ways than one.

When I started laying my hard earned cash on the line, there were very few resources to direct me to a quality betting operation. Hell, at that time I had a 28k modem and hamster wheel powering my computer which made being online for a minute longer than I had to agonizing. The days of knowledgeable wiseguys in posting forums and sites like this one had yet to arrive. If I did manage to find a bookie review, it was biased at best. But I was an action junkie at an early age and didn?t think there was enough to gain for a book to abuse its source of income. I was wrong.

I found my book by typing in domain names relevant to gaming. The site I came upon seemed to have all the bases covered. The plays were easy to select and there were simple instructions on how to redeem my winnings. The risk seemed worth the reward. It was the answer to no longer having to shop from my local bookie?s inflated prices and limited betting options. The concept in itself was exciting enough to give it a try. I deposited fifty dollars to check out this new process.

The benefits were visible immediately. The wagers were graded quickly for that time and I liked the feeling of not having my gambling be public information. My growing comforts with the site lead me to question the safety of my funds less and less. A few wins in a row and a long shot parlay later brought my balance from under 100 dollars to hovering well over 1000. I decided it was time to cash in my chips and smell the real money.

Six months later I didn?t have anything more than a chip on my shoulder. I suffered through hours of terrible customer service and received a crash course in Spanish. Although I did eventually find a fraction of my funds in my mailbox, the hassle was enough to make me think twice about where I would send my money in the future. I am actually grateful for that experience. It marked the end of taking uncalculated risks and the beginning of considering wagering an investment.

Today, I have positioned myself to watch the industry from a much better angle. Years of experience as a client have given me the ability to help and advise other players in dealing with offshore sportsbooks. My reputation as a player advocate has allowed me to mediate many disputes in which a fair outcome has often been the result. I offer both the player and the institution an educated, objectionable and honest assessment of any questionable situation. In this unregulated business, I am proud to have the respect of not only my peers but the sports books as well.

I believe expecting quality is the key to the gambling industry as well as to the rest of the consumer business world. Although online gaming is still in its infant stages, it is already progressing in a positive direction. More than a few books have lowered their prices; not because they want to have a sale, but because the player seeks it. More books have also increased the speed of their site and customer service level because the standard demands it.

Resources like SBR are showing the customer what is available, leaving sub-par books to follow or fall behind. In this constantly evolving commerce, the thinning of the herd will inevitably continue and players will be at risk. For these reasons I have joined the SBR team. SportsBookReview.com will provide me with the best platform to assist players in the future and promote the business in the right direction.

Bill Dozer: SBR Writer, Analyst, and 15-year Sportsbook player. Mr. Dozer helps other players avoid scams and provides advice in dealing with offshore sportsbooks. For more information visit SportsBookReview.com or send an email.

Who the hell
is Bill Dozer?

Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 (GST) By: Bill Dozer, SBR Analyst ? 2004 All rights reserved

It was 1991, I had just received my 5th-grade diploma, and the Bulls were playing the Pistons in the NBA playoffs. I was wearing my Michael Jackson Underoos. The room was packed with squares who each had, what was for them, a substantial bet on the game. The keg was tapped and Marv Albert?s voice could be only faintly heard over the trash talking about whose bet was a lock and who made the wager guaranteed to lose. Sitting in the middle of the room with a cell phone in one hand and a notebook in the other, was the only guy not sweating the outcome. He wore a cocky expression as if he had already won. This was precisely the case, since he was the man smart enough to have taken all the wagers. He managed to book even action by steering the gamblers to his lines like livestock to a barn. This guy was not me. I was sitting to his left having just taken the training wheels off my first bike.

Fast forward thirteen years and I have now gotten my drivers license and am even allowed to vote. My course has taken me from a monopolizing local bookie to using numerous online shops. I have had years of experience wagering offshore, and therefore have a standard of what to expect from this type of business. Although, in the beginning betting online lead to taking a gamble in more ways than one.

When I started laying my hard earned cash on the line, I was earning 2 dollars a day at the local lemonade stand. Hell, at that time I had a hard time getting online because of the Net Nanny program on my parents computer. The days of knowledgeable wiseguys in posting forums and sites like this one had yet to arrive. If I did manage to find a bookie review, it was biased at best. But I was an action junkie at an early age (9 years old, to be exact)and didn?t think there was enough to gain for a book to abuse its source of income. I was wrong.

I found my book by typing in domain names by accident while trying to access the Nickelodeon site. The site I came upon seemed to have all the bases covered. The plays were easy to select and there were simple instructions on how to redeem my winnings. The risk seemed worth the reward. It was the answer to no longer having to shop from my local bookie?s inflated prices after I tracked him down in 5th period wood shop. The concept in itself was exciting enough to give it a try. I deposited fifty dollars to check out this new process.

The benefits were visible immediately. The wagers were graded quickly for that time and I liked the feeling of not having my gambling be public information. My growing comforts with the site lead me to question the safety of my funds less and less. A few wins in a row and a long shot parlay later brought my balance from under 100 dollars to hovering well over 1000. I decided it was time to cash in my chips and smell the real money.

Six months later I didn?t have anything more than a few pubic hairs yet and just started getting interested in girls. I suffered through hours of terrible customer service and received a crash course in Spanish. Although I did eventually find a fraction of my funds in my mailbox, the hassle was enough to make me think twice about where I would send my money in the future. I am actually grateful for that experience. It marked the end of taking uncalculated risks and the beginning of considering wagering an investment.

Today, I have positioned myself to watch the industry from a much better angle. Years of experience as a client have given me the ability to help and advise other players in dealing with offshore sportsbooks. My reputation as a player advocate has allowed me to mediate many disputes in which a fair outcome has often been the result. I offer both the player and the institution an educated, objectionable and honest assessment of any questionable situation. In this unregulated business, I am proud to have the respect of not only my peers but the sports books as well.

I believe expecting quality is the key to the gambling industry as well as to the rest of the consumer business world. Although online gaming is still in its infant stages, it is still 5 years older than I am. More than a few books have lowered their prices; not because they want to have a sale, but because the player seeks it. More books have also increased the speed of their site and customer service level because the standard demands it.

Resources like SBR are showing the customer what is available, leaving sub-par books to follow or fall behind. In this constantly evolving commerce, the thinning of the herd will inevitably continue and players will be at risk. For these reasons, I have joined the SBR team. SportsBookReview.com will provide me with the best platform to assist players in the future and promote the business in the right direction.

Bill Dozer: SBR Writer, Analyst, and 15-year Sportsbook player. Mr. Dozer helps other players avoid scams and provides advice in dealing with offshore sportsbooks. For more information visit SportsBookReview.com or send an email.
 

mofome

Banned
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Good job Raiders

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Trying to confirm his age but it's been reported he's 24.


He is not in his 20s.

:nono

He is a good guy. If you want to post here, post here. Enough negative has been said now imo. obviously we're all free to state our concerns, but id rather pay more attention to helping people here than knocking someone there. im not thrilled with some things with mr dozer right now, but thats life. thats business related, i still want him to do well and hes still someone id enjoy grabbing another beer or 9 with. its friday, lets focus on eog and having a good time.

12io4j2w90
 

BillyTheKidisBS

EOG Member
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I don't really know what to say. Obviously that was silly one his part, but i'm not going to rip him for saying something silly on the boards. Ive done it once or twice myself. fact is, i really don't want this day to be all about ripping people, Bill is a nice person and so is john. they are both fathers who have kids that seem healthy and happy. Thats what matters to me, this is mostly entertainment and time with friends.

He did Not Post it on a Board. I don't believe SBR had one then.

Billy The Kid Posted it on SPORTS BOOK REVIEW.

He lied to get credibility just like Johnny Walker posted.
SBR DOES NOT ACCEPT ADVERTISING DOLLARS
 

Halifax

EOG Senior Member
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I don't think Raiders will be bringing over any of his other OGD posts from that same time period ... they might shed some light on how he really feels about Shrink (if he wasn't receiving compensation for his posts at EOG).
 
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He is not in his 20s.

:nono

He is a good guy. If you want to post here, post here. Enough negative has been said now imo. obviously we're all free to state our concerns, but id rather pay more attention to helping people here than knocking someone there. im not thrilled with some things with mr dozer right now, but thats life. thats business related, i still want him to do well and hes still someone id enjoy grabbing another beer or 9 with. its friday, lets focus on eog and having a good time.

12io4j2w90

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!

:cheers

Have a great weekend my friend!
 

mofome

Banned
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He did Not Post it on a Board. I don't believe SBR had one then.

Billy The Kid Posted it on SPORTS BOOK REVIEW.

He lied to get credibility just like Johnny Walker posted.
SBR DOES NOT ACCEPT ADVERTISING DOLLARS

So, then he made a bad decision. I've made them as well.
 
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He misrepresented himself purposely because of his young age. That says something about a person's character.
 

Blondie

EOG Master
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So, Sir why should we believe you know these things what could you bring to the table right here and now to prove you are not just some random nutjob and that you legitimately know your shit?

Still waiting on an answer to this Sir? :+waving-5
 

mofome

Banned
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He misrepresented himself purposely because of his young age. That says something about a person's character.


Im sure he's done a lot of good things, but we don't have 10000 threads about those. Focusing on someone elses mistakes doesn't help anyone, imo. Bill is a nice person and has an absolute TON going on in his life. I wont post much personal stuff, but i got to meet some of his family and who ever is taking care of those people is doing an awesome job. He works hard in and out of the office. I respect him as a person.
 

BillyTheKidisBS

EOG Member
Re: SBR is getting What they Deserve... Go EOG

Teaze my main thing is why should we believe this guy......

What proof does he have that he knows what he is talking about?

If he is going to bash a site or a person, I want proof that he knows what he is talking about, or I won't believe a word he says

I just posted the news. Up to Raiders and others to verify the truth. :dancefool
 

Blondie

EOG Master
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Ok..... you got anything else.

The SBR ratings is something everyone with a little bit of common sense knows.

Hell I knew it a month into being on the forums.

Common sense, pay the piper get the best spot in line.

SURELY, a man of your wisdom has more to add....

I would hate to have to call BS on ya... :D


I do find your last line of your original post to be interesting. You must know everyone really well and personally to be able to say "Honesty will pay off in the long run"
 
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I really think they should be paying for all of this advertising.

RPM, prepare a bill.
 
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