side / total of vaccine you will pay for 2 shots

MrTop

EOG Master
to get it early

side will or not pay : yes -1000 no +700

both shots : $666 over -125





notice the way they do not say anything about cost


entertainment odds only
 
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mr merlin

EOG Master
I see some dems want to pay people $1500 to get the shot, the left tries to turn everything into something ugly, trying to get people to sell themselves, prostitute themselves. Simply disgusting.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
I thought the gov was paying for it? Wasn't it in the funding of the Heros stimulus
They are, just more hysteria from lunatics, just like Biden today said he will deliver 100 million doses of vaccine in 100 days , which just happens to be the amount already coming.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
a rushed vaccine tied to a stimulus, i can see a lot of potential problems.
It comes down to 2 things, who's side is the govt on, can they be trusted to recommend what's really good for people? This vaccine could have been approved 2 or even 3 weeks ago, millions of people could have already had their first dose, and the study showed that immunity begins even after the first dose - not fully but close.
 

Don Quixote

EOG Enthusiast
This tying stuff to other stuff has to stop...sorta like lobbying {bribing}.

How does that ever come to be in the first place? This reeks of a corrupt system.

Hope Biden proves me wrong with the nick~name I gave him many years ago..."No~Change~Biden".

Big money RAPING Middle~Class~Americans {& Middle Class People around the world} has to stop too.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
All the shots will be free for everyone, just like covid testing, you dont need ins or even a clinic, just as they have drive up testing all over, they will have vaccines available at places like CVS, etc.(in a couple months)
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Thanks for the link from zerohedge.

I watch foxnews all the time and they didn't even bother to cover this "breaking" news. hmmmmmmmm
Will it happen, prob not, but it shows the thinking of the unbalanced liberal mind. If vaccine adoption is low - which it could easily be, this may be pushed harder.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
I'm not anti vax( I get a flu shot every year), I am anti mandatory vaccinations as well as anti pro vaccine fear mongering and villifying.
There will have to be some serious education to get people on board with the vaccination. 50-60% participation isn’t good enough
 
There will have to be some serious education to get people on board with the vaccination. 50-60% participation isn’t good enough

Bannings of those who would otherwise not be vaccinated from many public places could motivate them to get the shots:

"However, if you want to attend a restaurant, concert, etc. you would need to provide proof that you have been vaccinated. It’s up to you; if you don’t want to share this info then you don’t have to- it just means you can’t attend public events.

If I run a restaurant I can insist that you wear a shirt and shoes or else I won’t serve you. Insisting that my patrons are free of a life-threatening illness seems entirely reasonable.

So...to all of the covidiots who insist that they have a right not to wear a mask and that anyone who doesn’t like it should just stay home: time to put the shoe on the other foot. If you don’t want to get the vaccine then YOU can be the one to stay at home!

Beautiful."

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/ont...it-may-face-restrictions.732566/#post-6893683
 
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I see some dems want to pay people $1500 to get the shot, the left tries to turn everything into something ugly, trying to get people to sell themselves, prostitute themselves. Simply disgusting.
Some dems? It’s one fucking dude

Why do you have such a problem with honesty?
 

Foresthill

EOG Addicted
I'm not anti vax( I get a flu shot every year), I am anti mandatory vaccinations as well as anti pro vaccine fear mongering and villifying.

FWIW, President Eisenhower in the 1950's, either by law or executive order, made getting the polio vaccine mandatory.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
There will have to be some serious education to get people on board with the vaccination. 50-60% participation isn’t good enough
Of course it's good enough, nationwide 20%+ are now immune, children are roughly 20% of the population, they will not get vaccinated anytime soon. That leaves 60%, if 40-45% get vaccinated - approx 150 million people, thats more than enough.

What's wrong with you people, cant you do math, cant you conceive of what's going to happen, by spring there will be vastly fewer in the hospital, or are you still going to be screaming the sky is falling when hospitalizations are down 90-95%?
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Bannings of those who would otherwise be vaccinated from many public places could motivate them to get the shots:

"However, if you want to attend a restaurant, concert, etc. you would need to provide proof that you have been vaccinated. It’s up to you; if you don’t want to share this info then you don’t have to- it just means you can’t attend public events.

If I run a restaurant I can insist that you wear a shirt and shoes or else I won’t serve you. Insisting that my patrons are free of a life-threatening illness seems entirely reasonable.

So...to all of the covidiots who insist that they have a right not to wear a mask and that anyone who doesn’t like it should just stay home: time to put the shoe on the other foot. If you don’t want to get the vaccine then YOU can be the one to stay at home!

Beautiful."

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/ont...it-may-face-restrictions.732566/#post-6893683
Keep dreaming, the bars/restaurant I go to dont even care if you have a mask, let alone wear one, they LIKE customers, pissing them off is bad business. Not to mention the fact that people who own bars and restaurants generally hate the govt, hate what's being done to them, are actively trying to undermine covid policies..
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Over 286,000 deaths in the U. S. and counting, let alone the rest of the world, is not a serious disease?

Anything that kills you is a serious disease.
Not really, those death tolls are vastly inflated, overall deaths this year are barely up. Over the last 5 years approx 2.8 million people die/year, with the range of roughly 2.7-2.9, this years toll will be in slightly above that, approx 3 million.

deaths per year in the US -the rate is increasing slightly each year because the population is aging
2013 2.6 million
2014 2.63
2015 2.71
2016 2.74
2017 2.81
2018 2.84
2019 2.85
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Keep dreaming, the bars/restaurant I go to dont even care if you have a mask, let alone wear one, they LIKE customers, pissing them off is bad business. Not to mention the fact that people who own bars and restaurants generally hate the govt, hate what's being done to them, are actively trying to undermine covid policies..

I've been in the business for over 30 years. NO ONE who works there wants to get shut down right before the holidays because customers want to flaunt their rights. In this case, the customer isn't right. I would walk off the job if I had a group of assholes who insisted on this and don't care who gets sick as long as its not them. We'll make a deal. People don't wear a mask, and the workers serve your drinks in dirty glasses.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
I've been in the business for over 30 years. NO ONE who works there wants to get shut down right before the holidays because customers want to flaunt their rights. In this case, the customer isn't right. I would walk off the job if I had a group of assholes who insisted on this and don't care who gets sick as long as its not them. We'll make a deal. People don't wear a mask, and the workers serve your drinks in dirty glasses.
You are way off base here, pretty much every worker I come in contact with thinks the rules are a joke, they dont like wearing masks one bit, they dont think there is any real danger anyway, and I've been told right out that they have been told to never challenge anyone about masks - that you dont have to wear unless you're walking around anyway.

restaurants ARE worried about their own workers being caught maskless by inspectors, etc, they couldn't care less about the customers.
 
They are, just more hysteria from lunatics, just like Biden today said he will deliver 100 million doses of vaccine in 100 days , which just happens to be the amount already coming.
Biden says he's going to do what Trump is doing. He's been plagiarizing his who;e life.
 

TheGuesser

EOG Dedicated
Bannings of those who would otherwise be vaccinated from many public places could motivate them to get the shots:

"However, if you want to attend a restaurant, concert, etc. you would need to provide proof that you have been vaccinated. It’s up to you; if you don’t want to share this info then you don’t have to- it just means you can’t attend public events.

If I run a restaurant I can insist that you wear a shirt and shoes or else I won’t serve you. Insisting that my patrons are free of a life-threatening illness seems entirely reasonable.

So...to all of the covidiots who insist that they have a right not to wear a mask and that anyone who doesn’t like it should just stay home: time to put the shoe on the other foot. If you don’t want to get the vaccine then YOU can be the one to stay at home!

Beautiful."

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/ont...it-may-face-restrictions.732566/#post-6893683
That's EXACTLY what should happen and the best way to handle it.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
You are way off base here, pretty much every worker I come in contact with thinks the rules are a joke, they dont like wearing masks one bit, they dont think there is any real danger anyway, and I've been told right out that they have been told to never challenge anyone about masks - that you dont have to wear unless you're walking around anyway.

restaurants ARE worried about their own workers being caught maskless by inspectors, etc, they couldn't care less about the customers.

I agree, many of the rules are a joke. I HATE wearing a mask all day. I would have had to wear gloves also to handle fruit. Is there any real difference in wearing a mask to walk around a bar, then sitting at the bar for 2 hours with no mask? Shit like this is why I'm not bartending right now. I'm not shortening my life to pour $1.50 drafts to smokers hacking at the bar. Very good chance that out of 10 at the bar, 1 is covid positive.

Chances are, the inspectors are only coming in if someone tips them off. Yes, I'm sure it happens.
 
That was a serious disease, covid is not, 99.5% survival rate.

99.5 % survival rate (or death 1 in 200 times) would be playing Russian Roulette with your life.

And that's not the only concern:

"What Young, Healthy People Have to Fear From COVID-19

The White House’s new science adviser says: nothing. The science disagrees.


"Herd immunity is an inoperable plan, teetering on a false assumption of elderly-cocooning, which encourages young people to play craps with the long-term health of their internal organs. The choice is yours. You can listen to the scientists. Or you can roll the dice with your guts."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ung-healthy-people-have-fear-covid-19/616087/
 
Keep dreaming, the bars/restaurant I go to dont even care if you have a mask, let alone wear one, they LIKE customers, pissing them off is bad business. Not to mention the fact that people who own bars and restaurants generally hate the govt, hate what's being done to them, are actively trying to undermine covid policies..

Nobody said 100% of businesses will ban those without proof of vaccination, or something similarly safe for their customers. But it is certainly possible that many will do so, which would result in those refusing to be vaccinated (or comply with alternate safety measures) being banned from many places.

As an alternative possibility to "vaccination passes" there are "passes" involving:

1. Test positive for C-19 antibodies & prove it
2. Test negative for C-19 & prove it
3. Wear a mask (e.g. N95)
4. Sit in separate smoking, er, non vaccinated, section of pub/bar, restaurant, bank, clinic, airplane, etc
5. Any combination of those above & other safety measures

BTW:

Bars? Good riddance.

Does alcohol help society:

https://www.google.com/search?q=does...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"The WHO calls it (alcohol) one of the world’s leading health risks, associated with some 60 types of major disease and injury, and the cause of 4.5 million deaths annually."

"...Bongiwe Ndondo, a researcher who tracks violence against women, says many assaults are fueled by alcohol, and that the restrictions during the pandemic had a positive effect on society."

"“A lot of women on the ground that we have spoken to are telling us that their communities have never felt better. They’ve never felt safer. They’ve never looked cleaner.” She says a lot of people have been happy with the ban, and that some are waking up to what the country might look like without booze and “all the social ills” that come with it."


"These ills were glaringly apparent after the ban lifted; emergency visits to hospitals in South Africa subsequently doubled, with 85% of them down to alcohol-related events such as car accidents, motorbike accidents, stabs, shootings and assaults. “A lot of the patients are coming in intoxicated, to the point where you’re wondering if they have a head injury. It’s absolutely exhausting,” says Dr Katie Jordaan at Tygerberg Hospital. Her colleague Scott Mahoney says there’s been a particular uptick in domestic violence. “So much alcohol dependence leads to violence and accidental harm in a country that’s already struggling with healthcare provision,” Mahoney says."


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Of course it's good enough, nationwide 20%+ are now immune, children are roughly 20% of the population, they will not get vaccinated anytime soon. That leaves 60%, if 40-45% get vaccinated - approx 150 million people, thats more than enough.

20%? I just read a figure re some country (UK?) is at only about 6% of people have recovered from C-19.

Furthermore, just because someone has recovered from an infection does not necessarily mean they cannot be reinfected with C-19 again, with the 2nd infection being far worse or even deadly. Neither is it known how long any so-called "immunity" from antibodies etc will last. With the flu annual vaccinations are required as the disease mutates repeatedly. Immunity from being infected with C-19, recovering & building up antibodies may only last a few months.

What's wrong with you people, cant you do math, cant you conceive of what's going to happen, by spring there will be vastly fewer in the hospital, or are you still going to be screaming the sky is falling when hospitalizations are down 90-95%?

Sure, Nostradumass. Let's hope so. The horror show has to end sometime, doesn't it. Health experts predicted a rise of infections, hospitalizations & deaths in the fall-winter season & they were right. From that we might assume they will go down "by spring".

BTW, over 3000 deaths in the US from covid the other day, a record high for not only the USA but the planet.
 
Not really, those death tolls are vastly inflated, overall deaths this year are barely up. Over the last 5 years approx 2.8 million people die/year, with the range of roughly 2.7-2.9, this years toll will be in slightly above that, approx 3 million.

deaths per year in the US -the rate is increasing slightly each year because the population is aging
2013 2.6 million
2014 2.63
2015 2.71
2016 2.74
2017 2.81
2018 2.84
2019 2.85

Actually US covid deaths have likely been under counted & will be way higher in 2020 than what was expected even taking into account population increase.

"In this cohort study, the number of deaths due to any cause increased by approximately 122 000 from March 1 to May 30, 2020, which is 28% higher than the reported number of COVID-19 deaths."

"...Results There were approximately 781 000 total deaths in the United States from March 1 to May 30, 2020, representing 122 300 (95% prediction interval, 116 800-127 000) more deaths than would typically be expected at that time of year. There were 95 235 reported deaths officially attributed to COVID-19 from March 1 to May 30, 2020. The number of excess all-cause deaths was 28% higher than the official tally of COVID-19–reported deaths during that period. In several states, these deaths occurred before increases in the availability of COVID-19 diagnostic tests and were not counted in official COVID-19 death records. There was substantial variability between states in the difference between official COVID-19 deaths and the estimated burden of excess deaths.

Conclusions and Relevance Excess deaths provide an estimate of the full COVID-19 burden and indicate that official tallies likely undercount deaths due to the virus. The mortality burden and the completeness of the tallies vary markedly between states.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2767980
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
20%? I just read a figure re some country (UK?) is at only about 6% of people have recovered from C-19.

Furthermore, just because someone has recovered from an infection does not necessarily mean they cannot be reinfected with C-19 again, with the 2nd infection being far worse or even deadly. Neither is it known how long any so-called "immunity" from antibodies etc will last. With the flu annual vaccinations are required as the disease mutates repeatedly. Immunity from being infected with C-19, recovering & building up antibodies may only last a few months.



Sure, Nostradumass. Let's hope so. The horror show has to end sometime, doesn't it. Health experts predicted a rise of infections, hospitalizations & deaths in the fall-winter season & they were right. From that we might assume they will go down "by spring".

BTW, over 3000 deaths in the US from covid the other day, a record high for not only the USA but the planet.
What's the current total - 15 million? how many cases were missed, prob 4-5 at least for every one detected, so we're at 60-80 million...yea, that's around 20%, maybe a fair bit more.

The dakotas being at 11% plus are likely well above 40%, perhaps pushing 50%, the more the better.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
The risk of dying sooner sounds great.

Merlin, are you actively trying to get Covid? If not, why not?
No, went to the casino again today however, maybe I've already had it, I did get tested for antibodys in the summer, was negative, they might have worn off though.

I'm living as normal as possible. I dont wear masks, I dont wash my hands, I try not to social distance, I dont think any of those things help a bit.
 
Of course it's good enough, nationwide 20%+ are now immune, children are roughly 20% of the population, they will not get vaccinated anytime soon. That leaves 60%, if 40-45% get vaccinated - approx 150 million people, thats more than enough.

Many of the 20%, which may be only around 10%, will overlap with the 40-45%, since they will also be getting vaccinated. Which reduces the total number who have been vaccinated or recovered from a C-19 infection.
 

Valuist

EOG Master
No, went to the casino again today however, maybe I've already had it, I did get tested for antibodys in the summer, was negative, they might have worn off though.

I'm living as normal as possible. I dont wear masks, I dont wash my hands, I try not to social distance, I dont think any of those things help a bit.
Here we are, 2 1/2 years later. I was in a drug store waiting to pay and some woman said I was "cutting''. I asked her if she was in line, as she was a good 10-12 feet behind the line and another 4-5 feet off to the side. Some of these idiots are still social distancing.

I see earlier in the thread The Guesser pontificating on mandatory vaccines. How did that work out for him?
 
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