The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

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Dow 5000? A Bearish Bet That Looks Quite Possible

Just how low can stocks go? Despite Friday's small gain, the Dow Jones Industrial Average marked its fourth consecutive week of losses as it tumbled through the 7000-point mark and spiraled to new 12-year lows.

The Standard & Poor's 500-stock index is trading below 700 for the first time since 1996. As earnings estimates are ratcheted down and hopes for a quick economic fix fade, the once-inconceivable notion of returning to Dow 5000 or S&P 500 at 500 looks a little less far-fetched. A decline to 500 on the S&P is 183.38 points and 27% away. The index already has lost 881.77 points, or 56%, since its peak in October 2007. The index, which lost 7% last week, hasn't been below 500 since 1995, when the tech-stock bubble was just beginning. After dropping 6.2% last week, the Dow is 1626.94 points and 25% above 5000, a level it also hasn't seen since 1995. Analysts and investors looking at valuations, history and stock-price trends are mostly predicting the indexes will avoid plumbing those lows, although all concede that, in this market, anything is possible. Even Wall Street strategists are crunching the numbers, while sticking to forecasts of a second-half rally. Goldman Sachs's David Kostin in late February presented three scenarios for the S&P, including a "bear case" that put the index at 400 to 500. Although Mr. Kostin says he doesn't anticipate the index will fall that low, "these are the cases that different types of investors are making," he says.
 
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

30 days from now, the Dow will be 5000 or lower -- book it.

Thank you Barry and Barney for destroying America!



:hangt :blink: :shoot: :hung
 
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Markets see Obama the radical

posted at 10:45 am on March 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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After almost seven weeks of the Obama administration, the markets have already given the new president a failing grade. After the rollout of Obama’s stimulus plan, mortgage bailout, and the blueprint of his FY2010 budget, Wall Street has blown a big raspberry at the White House, losing almost 18% of its value since the inauguration. Hoover Institution fellow Michael Boskin says that investors have recognized that Barack Obama intends to impose a hard-Left economic agenda on the US in an effort to transform us into Europe:
The illusion that Barack Obama will lead from the economic center has quickly come to an end. Instead of combining the best policies of past Democratic presidents — John Kennedy on taxes, Bill Clinton on welfare reform and a balanced budget, for instance — President Obama is returning to Jimmy Carter’s higher taxes and Mr. Clinton’s draconian defense drawdown.
Mr. Obama’s $3.6 trillion budget blueprint, by his own admission, redefines the role of government in our economy and society. The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents — from George Washington to George W. Bush — combined. It reduces defense spending to a level not sustained since the dangerous days before World War II, while increasing nondefense spending (relative to GDP) to the highest level in U.S. history. And it would raise taxes to historically high levels (again, relative to GDP). And all of this before addressing the impending explosion in Social Security and Medicare costs.
Markets look forward, not to the present or past. Investors in any sort of market attempt to predict the future, determining where to put their money. They choose industries, companies, and aggregations based on where (and whether) they expect growth.

That’s what makes this Obama’s bear market. Investors have seen what Boskin sees, and they’re pulling out. They don’t see anywhere in the near or long term that looks promising for growth. It doesn’t help when Obama himself offers investment advice by referring to “profits and earning ratios”, since profits and earnings are the exact same thing and stock investors look at price-to-earnings ratios (P/E ratios). It also doesn’t help when Obama promises a clear recovery plan to investors and his Treasury Secretary — the “uniquely qualified” indispensable Cabinet appointee — shows up empty-handed.

Wall Street sees rampant incompetence at the top and has given Obama a vote of no confidence.

The question that Boskin poses is whether they see something worse than incompetence, and clearly, they do. The policies Obama espouses — tax increases, greater regulation, limitations on energy production — are explicitly anti-growth. All three kill growth in different but linked ways. All of them increase the costs on businesses at a time when prices can’t go up, squeezing people out of the market and into unemployment lines, along with all of the people they may have hired otherwise. That gives Obama a mandate for a nanny-state approach that he claims will be temporary but already has taken on the permanence of the European system that drives down growth and keeps unemployment at the levels we just reached this month as a rule.

It’s incompetence married to ideology. It’s a fatal prescription for investors, and they’re voting with their feet.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

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On May 19th, the market was at 13,028.
On July 15th the market was at 10,962.
On Oct 10th, the market was at 8451.
On Nov 20th, the market was at 7552

The market lost almost half of its value from May until November, but the stock market talking heads would never blame Republicans. All the bad news is still hitting the fan from the Bush administration, but you would never know Bush had anything to do with it if you watch the news media spin this into Obama's market failure.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Unemployment Rate
Start of Reagan - 7.5%
2 Years Later - 10.8%

S&P 500

Start of Reagan - 131
19 months later - 102


Reagan inherited about a 7.5% unemployment rate when he took office in Jan. '81. By Jan. '83, a full TWO YEARS into "Reaganomics" the unemployment rate had ballooned to 10.8%! How's that for a market that is rejecting a president's agenda? The stock market was giving the exact same pessimistic opinion of the Reagan presidency. By August of 1982 the S&P 500 had dropped 22% from the start of the Reagan presidency. That was a full 19 month reaction to Reagan as opposed to the 6 week reaction to Obama the nuts on CNBC want us to listen to


I'd really love to hear Hannity or Limbaugh expain this away !!!
 
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On May 19th, the market was at 13,028.
On July 15th the market was at 10,962.
On Oct 10th, the market was at 8451.
On Nov 20th, the market was at 7552

The market lost almost half of its value from May until November, but the stock market talking heads would never blame Republicans.

Keep drinking the Daily Kommunist Kool-Aid, Doc.

Your bullshit makes ZERO sense.

The markets bet on the future.

Back in May, Bush was a lame duck; Obama was the future.

The DOW was around 12,500 when Obama officially got the nomination -- right around the time the DOW peeked.

Koinkidink?

The rest is history.



El Rushbo thinks we're heading for 3,000. :doh1


 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Keep drinking the Daily Kommunist Kool-Aid, Doc.

Your bullshit makes ZERO sense.

The markets bet on the future.

Back in May, Bush was a lame duck; Obama was the future.

The DOW was around 12,500 when Obama officially got the nomination -- right around the time the DOW peeked.

Koinkidink?

The rest is history.



El Rushbo thinks we're heading for 3,000. :doh1




As a former stockbroker of 20 years, once again Joe is 100% correct.

The markets are very efficient and interpret information very quickly, while anticipating future business trends.

The market was praying this idiot would come to the middle, and that FOX news was just using political spin , saying he was a radical and a Socialist,

OOOPS

:doh1:doh1:doh1
 

DonkStomper

EOG Enthusiast
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Keep drinking the Daily Kommunist Kool-Aid, Doc.

Your bullshit makes ZERO sense.

The markets bet on the future.

Back in May, Bush was a lame duck; Obama was the future.

The DOW was around 12,500 when Obama officially got the nomination -- right around the time the DOW peeked.

Koinkidink?

The rest is history.



El Rushbo thinks we're heading for 3,000. :doh1




Exactly. Brilliant post. The market is what's called a forward-looking indicator. It is very clear that Doc just got totally exposed for being
a total ignorant troll.

Doc, I can't wait to hear your lame response to these facts.
Maybe you can come up with some new slur against Bush?
Maybe Cheney?

Maybe calling Limbaugh a name would work?

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Is that right?

Then I guess based on Joey C's "feedback"

Unemployment Rate
Start of Reagan - 7.5%
2 Years Later - 10.8%

S&P 500

Start of Reagan - 131
19 months later - 102


Reagan inherited about a 7.5% unemployment rate when he took office in Jan. '81. By Jan. '83, a full TWO YEARS into "Reaganomics" the unemployment rate had ballooned to 10.8%! How's that for a market that is rejecting a president's agenda? The stock market was giving the exact same pessimistic opinion of the Reagan presidency. By August of 1982 the S&P 500 had dropped 22% from the start of the Reagan presidency. That was a full 19 month reaction to Reagan as opposed to the 6 week reaction to Obama the nuts on CNBC want us to listen to



:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

To quote Joey C:

The markets bet on the future


HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN REAGAN?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Brucefan is an ex stock broker? :LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

SAME DUDE WHO CLAIMS SCAMDICAPPERS WAYNE ALLAN ROOT WHO
FUCKED THOUSANDS OUT OF MONEY IS A "LEGIT" ANSWER TO THE
COUNTRIES FINANCIAL SITUATION?


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Brucefan:

I call BULLSHIT on you being a former stock broker

To qoute your ass: The DOW was around 12,500 when Obama officially got the nomination

REALLY?

THE ELECTION HAPPENED IN EARLY NOVEMBER:

On Nov 20th, the market was at 7552

NICE TRY MRS EF HUTTON !!!

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Wow

Barack did?

Did ya see that on Hannity's America?


Its great ... Limbaugh is losing millions daily !!!

Let that fat fuckin pig have a stroke live on the air when the Dow hits
3000

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 
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the market began tanking when it became clear to everyone that someone with no clue was about to be elected.
he cant community organize this away.

Dems wanted change they got it...
they just didnt realize it meant their pensions were now in pennies.

sorry doc...you lose this one and I am sorry you are losing it my friend because every day the dow drops i lose money as do many other taxpaying american citizens.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Ktb:

really?

how did those 1st 19mths run under Reagan?


:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Ktb:

unlike your ass ...

I pulled everything when I saw Cheney fucking this country in 2005 with
his investments in the Euro bond market

Gosh ... I know BUSH CHEERLEADERS that have lost everything


Yeah know what? :LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

mr contrarian, dow near 8000. dow and nasdaq both up since obama sworn in!
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Joey C:

do ya bet bball?

I need someone I can fade ....


:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Just fade my picks ...

I like Purdue tonite .... If Pass or Benny likes them also LOAD UP ON CONNCT!
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

In the industry its called a dead cat bounce

You guys just keep buying, lets add up the score at the end of the year


The Democrat Dream"

 

gopherbob

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

In the industry its called a dead cat bounce

You guys just keep buying, lets add up the score at the end of the year


The Democrat Dream"

so you're predicting the dow will fall to near or below 5000 by dec '09 ?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Brucie:

how about Boehner's tax cut for the rich today?


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

I have no idea

I do know this. Obama and his merry band of Socialists will do everything they can to cripple business in the country

If card check gets passed, we get cap and trade bullshit, as he raises taxes on small business, adapts more regulation that will have many unintended consequences to make things worse, there is no way we will be able to have a sustained upside move and a new leg of bull market

Impossible.

That doesn't even take into account all the other problems being created by the bailouts, the crapulis spending bill, runaway deficits, and a potential collapse in our currency

Forget it. This is going to be a long painfull 4 years







[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Our old friend Congressman Ron Paul says we?re headed into a 15-year depression.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]He?s probably right. In the old days, ?panics? and ?depressions? ended fairly quickly?at least unemployment tended to be short-term. There were no elaborate social welfare systems then. No unemployment compensation. No food stamps or ?independence? cards. People had to make do.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]So, when a depression hit, wages fell quickly and people got back to work. They earned less, but the whole economy would adjust, with lower prices for everything.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]There were no bailouts and no stimulus plans, either. Mistakes were corrected relatively quickly. Businesses went broke. Men were ?ruined? and had to drink themselves to death.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Now, things are better. If their businesses go broke, they can go on almost as if nothing had happened? as long as they owe money to the right people. Heck, they might even get a bonus.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]On Friday, the Dow dropped 122 points. What happened to the rally? Is it over already? We wait to find out.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Oil held steady at the end of the week, having risen over $50 to a high for the year. Oil?s rise was entirely explained by the sinking dollar ? down to $1.35 per euro on Friday.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?Dollar sell-off gathers momentum,? explained one headline. ?Gold soars,? Bloomberg added.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Gold shot up nearly $70 an ounce on Thursday. It took a rest on Friday?but we don?t think it will take a break from its epic run for long.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But back to the story of the 15-year depression?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Goldman says it wouldn?t have lost much money if AIG had been allowed to go broke. So, don?t think for a minute that it wanted the government to save AIG just so Goldman could get its $20 billion back.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The public and its paid representatives in Washington are up in arms. Reporters have been following the trail of the hundreds of billions of taxpayers? money handed over to Wall Street firms. They discovered that it went into various silk-lined pockets ? notably, those of the aforementioned Goldman Sachs, foreign banks and the bankrupt firms? own executives. The politicians were shocked. Shocked! The public was outraged.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Whence cometh this outrage? Not from any matter of principle that we?ve been able to determine. The taxpayers don?t mind robbing Peter. But they don?t like it when the ill-gotten gains go into someone else. ?Hey, my name is Paul and I?ve been out of a job for six months,? they say. ?Where?s MY bonus??[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Congress sprang into action last week to set things right. But rather than give every Tom, Dick and Harry a big bonus, the House proposed a 90% tax on the AIG bonuses?and urged the states to take the other 10%.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The whole thing is a dangerous distraction, in our opinion. The bonus amounts are trivial in comparison to the huge amounts of the bailouts. And when the pols start taking money away from people our sympathy is with the takee, not the taker. Besides, it encourages a very bad idea: that politics, rather than a free market, should decide who gets what.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The next thing you know, they?re going to be telling us which businesses succeed and which fail. Wait a minute?they?re already doing that![/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Which is why Ron Paul thinks we?re going to have a depression that lasts longer than most marriages. When markets are allowed to work, they often make mistakes ? especially when government is fixing interest rates. Periods of growth are punctuated by crises ? including sharp breaks in business activity and bouts of ?creative destruction.? Like forest fires, these episodic conflagrations burn off the dead wood, permitting new growth.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But when government allocates capital and resources, it is almost always a soggy disaster from beginning to end. The dead wood never gets cleared away. Instead, it is protected?propped up?leaving the new shoots to struggle in the shade. Not much growth, in other words.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]We repeat: there were only two examples of major depressions in the last century. Both came after a huge run-up in debt. And both were met with programs that economists should be ashamed of ? bailouts, stimulus, loans, props, safety nets and hooks. In both cases ? the ?30s in the United States and the ?90s in Japan ? the depressions continued, on and off, for many years. WWII brought an end to the first one ? 12 years after it began. The second one continues ? nearly 20 years after the crash of the Tokyo stock market.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]And now we have a third one?and this time the feds are determined to beat it. What?s their strategy? More firepower! What?s their secret weapon? QE, or quantitative easing, which is actual monetary inflation caused by buying debt directly from the government.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Will it work? Will Geithner/Bernanke succeed where others failed? Will economists finally master depressions?and find a way to get ?creative? without the destruction?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Ah?we think we know the answer. But in the meantime, we?re enjoying the show?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]And now we turn to our friends in Charm City, to see what they have for us today?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?Commodities ain?t dead yet!? declared Chris Mayer, lending the editorial team at The 5 Min. Forecast a hand. ?People ask me if the price spike in 2008 was a bubble. My gut says it wasn?t. Overlay the 1966?1980 commodity bull market on our own and you see an interesting picture:[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?While the 2008 sell-off was much steeper than what happened in the 1970s, it?s not out of line with historical experience. The biggest rally in commodity prices could still be ahead of us.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?If you go back even further and look at the 1929 crash and its aftermath, you get a similar picture. Commodities tanked after the crash. Take corn, for example, which lost nearly 80% of its value from its peak in 1929 to its low in 1932. Yet by ?37, corn put in a new high. It was 20% higher than the 1929 peak. Put another way, the price of corn rose fivefold from the bottom ? and this during the Great Depression![/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?Commodities still have legs, especially with the Fed playing loose with the dollar. The action this past week was just a prelude. Expect the world of useful commodities to hold value better than the dollar. Not only the headline-grabbing oil price, but also food prices. The retail price of food rose about 6% last year. I?d expect we?ll see food prices ? and other commodity prices ? rise again this year.?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The 5 Min Forecast is an executive series e-letter that provides a quick and dirty analysis of daily economic and financial developments ? in five minutes or less.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Back to Bill, reporting from merry old England?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What is quantitative easing? It is hocus-pocus. It is a scam. It is based on the broadest, most obvious lie: that you can create money ?out of thin air.?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Why are the feds ? in Britain, Switzerland and the United States ? doing it? We leave the Swiss to their own peculiar circumstances. In Britain and America, the feds have pushed central bank lending rates about as far down as they?ll go. And both governments have begun the usual sort of bailout efforts. What else can they do but inflate the money supply?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Will it work? It depends on what you mean. In a sense, it is already working. The feds have shown the world that they are serious about inflating their countries? money supplies. Investors have bought gold and sold the dollar and the pound. If they can inflate the currency, they cause debts denominated in the currency to evaporate. During the boom phase, Americans and Brits spent money they didn?t have and ran up debts they can?t pay. The economy can?t grow until those debts are reckoned with. Inflation will reduce them. Of course, if it gets out of hand, it will destroy the entire world financial system.[/FONT]

<HR align=center width=300>[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?The pump doesn?t work??[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Elizabeth might have been talking about quantitative easing. As it turned out, she was about to provide another reason why real estate can be such a bad investment. In Normandy, we have a small farm with about 30 cows. A pump pulls water from a spring and runs it out to the watering troughs. But the pump overheated and burned up. This happened in October. So, a plumber was called. He installed a new pump. That one burned up too.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Elizabeth tells the rest of the story:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?I was losing confidence in the plumber. But what did I know? Then, he put in another pump in December, and that one froze. That was not his fault, he said, because we had not insulated the pump house?so I had to buy another pump. Well, after about a month that one froze too, even after he had supposedly insulated around it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?And then, when they stopped freezing, they began burning up again. That pump house must be like the moon. It is either way too hot or way too cold. I told him that I was going to look for another plumber. We?ve got to have water for the cattle. When the pump isn?t working, poor Nicholas has to go around with a big tank of water behind the tractor and fill all the troughs himself. And he told me that if we don?t get this water problem fixed soon, he was going to quit. I think he?s just about had enough. So, I was going to switch to another plumber, but this fellow insisted he knew what he was doing so he came and installed yet another pump last week. Nicholas looked at it and told me that it wouldn?t work. It was apparently a submersible pump. It was supposed to go down in the well. So, naturally, without the water around it to keep it cool, it burned up immediately.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] ?I asked Nicholas about the plumber. He said he knew Mr. Thierry. Apparently, he inherited the business from his father. But Nicolas told me his father was not really a plumber. He sold washing machines. And he said that he bought a washing machine from the father and it broke down almost immediately. He thought it was installed badly. He thinks the son is continuing the family tradition of incompetence.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?After the submersible pump burned up, the plumber told me it was our fault all along because there was a leak in our water line, so the pump was sucking air ? causing it to burn up.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?I told him that I wasn?t really buying a pump from him?or paying him to install the pump. I just wanted water. It was up to him to make sure he had the right pump and that it was installed correctly.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?After all this, you?d think he?d give up. I told him to take his pump out, but he got mad and came back and installed yet another pump ? this is unbelievable ? and brought about a mile of big plastic pipe, which he ran out to the spring, in order to be sure there was no leak. And he put the thing together and left?sure that he had solved the problem.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]?But Nicholas just called to tell me that the pump had stopped working.?[/FONT]




[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]March 26, 2009[/FONT][/FONT]​


[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Bill Bonner[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] [send him mail][/FONT] is the author, with Addison Wiggin, of Financial Reckoning Day: Surviving the Soft Depression of The 21<SUP>st</SUP> Century and Empire of Debt: The Rise Of An Epic Financial Crisis and the co-author with Lila Rajiva of Mobs, Messiahs and Markets (Wiley, 2007).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Copyright ? 2009 Bill Bonner[/FONT]​
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

So Barack is another socialist like Reagan and Palin?

is that right Brucefan?
 
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Rudy, Mitt, Huckster, McCain (and certainly Ron Paul), will bleed Republican votes, a fact even their biggest cheerleaders cannot deny.

Putting aside all the campaign variables and day-to-day political 'noise', this all leads us to a very logical conclusion:

On Jan 20, 2009, Fred Dalton Thompson will be sworn in as the 44th President of the United States.

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Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: The Barry-Barney Dow is heading for 5000

Book it Dano !!!


:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3
 
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So what exactly does a trillion of your hard-earned dollars buy these days? :+clueless

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Jobless rolls swell again as recession persists

Unemployment rolls grow for the 10th week in a row; glimmers of economic hope fade a bit

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Hopes that the economy may be poised for a recovery got a splash of reality Thursday: The unemployment rolls are still getting bigger as the recession maintains its grip.
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<!-- Article Related Media --> For the 10th week in a row, the number of people receiving jobless benefits grew. It now stands at nearly 5.6 million, the government said -- an indication that the labor market is still grim.

New claims for unemployment benefits rose again as well, to a seasonally adjusted 652,000, up from 644,000 the week before. The government also said the economy shrank at a 6.3 percent annual clip in the fourth quarter, slightly faster than its previous estimate.

"There is no sign of recovery here, and claims are usually one of the very first numbers to turn," Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, wrote in a client note.

The total number of people claiming benefits jumped to 5.56 million, worse than economists' projections of 5.48 million, and setting a record for the ninth week in a row.

The stock market shook off the bleak unemployment news and continued its remarkable bounce off lows set earlier this month. The Dow Jones industrials gained almost 175 points to close just under 7,925.

Some economists believe the economy is contracting this quarter, which ends next week, even faster than it did late last year, while others think the shrinking may have slowed. No one disputes that the recession persists.
Many economists expect the gross domestic product will contract again in the April-June period, but by a much smaller amount, in the 2 to 3 percent range, and maybe turn back toward growth later in the year.

Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global Insight, expects an economic contraction at an annual pace of as high as 8 percent this quarter. "On the other hand," he added, "the worst of the worst is probably behind us."

President Barack Obama said Thursday that it will take some time -- perhaps through the rest of the year -- before vigorous hiring resumes, and that might not happen until businesses see evidence the economy is rebounding.

There have been recent glimmers of hope that Americans' appetites to spend might be stirring again. Orders for costly manufactured goods and new-home sales both logged unexpected gains in February, and retail sales dipped less than expected.

On the other hand, the huge number of people continuing to collect unemployment insurance shows laid-off workers are staying on the jobless rolls longer as they struggle to land a new job.

As a proportion of the work force, the number of people receiving benefits is at its highest level since May 1983, when the economy was recovering from a deep recession. The total of nearly 5.6 million is almost double what it was a year ago.

On top of that, about 1.5 million Americans are getting benefits under an extended unemployment pay program approved by Congress last year.

The main culprit for the downgrade in the GDP figure was that businesses turned out to have cut their inventories even more than had been thought. Builders also cut back on commercial construction.

Still, economists were expecting the final reading of the fourth quarter GDP figure to be even worse, calling for a 6.5 percent pace of contraction.

In the fourth quarter, Americans cut their spending at an annual clip of 4.3 percent, and businesses cut their spending on equipment and software by a whopping 28 percent. Both declines are the worst in decades.

Of course, the recession is hurting corporate profits. One measure tied to the GDP report showed after-tax profits of U.S. companies dropped more than 10 percent in the fourth quarter.

The steep drop in profits "will mean further belt-tightening by a lot of companies," meaning less spending on business equipment and software, Behravesh said.

Meanwhile, job losses keep mounting. IBM is making plans for a round of 5,000 job cuts, about 4 percent of its work force, The Associated Press learned. Drugmaker Hospira Inc. said it would cut 1,450 jobs, or about 10 percent of its work force.

The government is counting on injections of hundreds of billions of dollars into the financial system, plus the enormous economic stimulus plan, to help turn the economy around.

For all of last year, the economy grew a meager 1.1 percent, the slowest growth since 2001.
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Record Lows Coming for Stock Market


NEoWave Institute's Glenn Neely is forecasting the largest vertical drop of the decade for the S&P 500. Neely predicts the stock market will decline 50% in the next 6 months.

The March-June rally is now ending, allowing the bear market to resume. During the next six months, the S&P will decline 50% or more, breaking well below 500!

Aliso Viejo, CA (PRWEB) June 16, 2009 -- Glenn Neely, founder of NEoWave Institute and prominent Elliott Wave analyst, today announces a startling prediction: The S&P 500 is forming a major top in June, which will be followed by a large decline, eventually pushing the stock market to record lows for the decade.

"Technically speaking, according to NEoWave a correction began at last October's low; the March-June rally is the final leg of that correction," Neely explains. "The March-June rally is now ending, allowing the bear market to resume. During the next six months, the S&P will decline 50% or more, breaking well below 500!" Currently, the S&P is hovering around 917.

Glenn Neely is providing this information not as a specific trade recommendation but as a general public service announcement. A prominent Elliott Wave analyst, Neely was recently recognized in Timer Digest's May issue as the #1 stock market timer for the past 12 months.

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