The difference between Coronavirus and seasonal flu

#1
This is from an immunologist at Johns Hopkins University.

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.
 
#5
Saw reports early on -- from back in the Wuhan days -- that some fully recovered people had relapsed . . .

But it's moved around the world so rapidly that it's hard to be sure how reliable reported info is, as we're rarely dealing with peer-reviewed studies.
 
#13
The Italy hot zone is directly related to the 500k Chinese (350k legal, 150k illegal) that are largely concentrated in northern Italy. A decade ago most famous Italian garment factories, especially the high-end leather ones, either sold out to Chinese companies who sent cheap labor to Italy to work the factory or the Italian company brought in Chinese to pay them below-normal wages. Instead of moving the factories to China they kept them in Italy so they could use the "Made in Italy" label that people buying high-end leather jackets/purses/shoes want to see. The city Prato, in Tuscany, is called "Little China"...

well, the vast majority of these workers are from the Hubei Province, and city of Wuhan specifically, which is a heavy garment-factory place in China. and, many of these workers returned home for Chinese New Year which was January 25, 2020 and returned to northern Italy with largely asymptomatic Covid-19. If that's not bad enough the liberal asshole Mayor of Florence saw the tide of anti-Chinese sentiment growing so pushed a "hug the Chinese" program in Italy which is about as opposite of Social Distancing as you can get, thus many Italians contracted the virus in northern Italy. You can watch the Hug a Chinese at
 
#17
Trump saved your parents life by being a racist with his January 29 travel ban of China
Yeah but honestly for one moment, it has to be full ban or nothing meaning shut all our borders. (And China should have locked everyone in as well)

Common sense dictates that Europeans leaving China then going to X would spread it there ...then eventually to us which is what happened.
 
#18
Trump saved your parents life by being a racist with his January 29 travel ban of China
You should look into facts rather than taking trumps word on everything. Airlines had already stopped flights to and from China before trumps “ban”. Trumps Chinese “travel ban” came long after the virus had broken out
 
#21
The study was conducted by a group of Chinese researchers and analyses 2,173 patients who contracted the COVID-19 virus from three hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen and compared them to the bloods types of the two general populations in the area. Their meta-analysis found that people who had “blood group A had a significantly higher risk for [contracting] COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups.”

As outlined in the study, the normal population in Wuhan has a blood type distribution of:



  • Type A - 31%
  • Type B - 24%
  • Type AB - 9%
  • Type O - 34%


Comparatively, Wuhan residents who had contracted COVID-19 had a blood type distribution of:



  • Type A - 38%
  • Type B - 26%
  • Type AB - 10%
  • Type O - 25%
 
#22
The study was conducted by a group of Chinese researchers and analyses 2,173 patients who contracted the COVID-19 virus from three hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen and compared them to the bloods types of the two general populations in the area. Their meta-analysis found that people who had “blood group A had a significantly higher risk for [contracting] COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups.”

As outlined in the study, the normal population in Wuhan has a blood type distribution of:



  • Type A - 31%
  • Type B - 24%
  • Type AB - 9%
  • Type O - 34%


Comparatively, Wuhan residents who had contracted COVID-19 had a blood type distribution of:



  • Type A - 38%
  • Type B - 26%
  • Type AB - 10%
  • Type O - 25%
You could say every blood type is more likely except type O.
 
#24
no doubt

Obama allowed 12,500 out of 331,000,000 Americans to die of H1N1- he should be put in jail for his indifference





Sweden a country of 10 million has had 12,700 Covid deaths... They should be commended for their approach
Meanwhile NY has about 50K with a pop of roughly double sweden.
 

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#25
no doubt

Obama allowed 12,500 out of 331,000,000 Americans to die of H1N1- he should be put in jail for his indifference





Sweden a country of 10 million has had 12,700 Covid deaths... They should be commended for their approach
The comparable for Sweden is the state of Michigan. Both just about at 10 million residents.

Sweden: 12,700 deaths from Covid 19
Michigan: 16,300 deaths from Covid 19
 
#27
The comparable for Sweden is the state of Michigan. Both just about at 10 million residents.

Sweden: 12,700 deaths from Covid 19
Michigan: 16,300 deaths from Covid 19
I think we all know how USA doctors and insurance companies are committing fraud

Only 300 of those Michigan deaths are actually from Covid... Prob 300 old diabetic black men in Detroit with heart failure that never wash their hands .

The other 16k are hoax mis labeled deaths , prob many suicides from depression due to hitler- Whitmer not letting them buy seeds for gardening
 
#30
You can't use square miles. What about Alaska? It's giant but nobody lives there.
Exactly. IMO, population density is a key component when it comes to analyzing Covid cases and deaths. But there are many other things to consider. Just my opinion. Many Far right wingers and anti Vaxers are promoting all the statistics are fraudulent because doctors, insurance co. and big pharma are prioritizing profits over facts and science.
 

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#31
I think we all know how USA doctors and insurance companies are committing fraud

Only 300 of those Michigan deaths are actually from Covid... Prob 300 old diabetic black men in Detroit with heart failure that never wash their hands .

The other 16k are hoax mis labeled deaths , prob many suicides from depression due to hitler- Whitmer not letting them buy seeds for gardening
I'm not really sure what your point is. That there's no peripheral damage or deaths from suicides, drug abuse, domestic violence and civil unrest related to the virus and lockdowns? I assume you aren't that ignorant. That the damage won't trouble the economy for years? Again, I'm sure you know better than that. That the educational and social development of children hasn't been impaired? That a heavy majority of those who died likely wouldn't have been alive in 2025 if there was no virus at all? The verdict won't be in on this for years. You want to take your "victory lap" for 500,000 deaths, knock yourself out.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#32
Exactly. IMO, population density is a key component when it comes to analyzing Covid cases and deaths. But there are many other things to consider. Just my opinion. Many Far right wingers and anti Vaxers are promoting all the statistics are fraudulent because doctors, insurance co. and big pharma are prioritizing profits over facts and science.
What is Whitmer doing then? She's not going by the facts and science with the extended shutdown here.
 
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