This Book rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

#1
For example:

Oakland A's currently offering -207 and +110

Their -1 line is -161

If you make your own -1 line it's -146.

100 risk

[TABLE]

To Win Amount

Wager Number

Odds

Amount To Risk

Amount To Win


[TD="class: nAmount"]100[/TD]

1

[TD="class: nOdd1"]-207[/TD]
[TD="class: nTopRisk1"]98.57[/TD]
[TD="class: nTopWin1"]47.62[/TD]


2

[TD="class: nOdd2"]110[/TD]
[TD="class: nTopRisk2"]47.62[/TD]
[TD="class: nTopWin2"]52.38[/TD]


[/TABLE]




Same exact thing but odds are -146 instead of -161.
 
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#2
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Let's say you want to make a 100 on the A's game.

Bet at heritage you bet
$161 to win $100 on Oakland -1

Or you can bet your own.

The calculator that I posted does all the work for you.

You would bet:
$98.57 to win $47.62 on OAK ML -207
and
$47.62 to win $52.38 on OAK RL +110

Instead of risking $161 you would risk $146.19 for the same exact wager.

If Oakland wins by 1 run you push either way, it's the same exact wager.


This website does all the work for you
http://zcodesystem.com/runline_calc/
 
#3
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Good looking out G,GL

Expect thread title change presently
 

BigDeemer

EOG Dedicated
#4
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Excellent info
 
#5
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

I understand what you are saying Gabe but the book isn't raping you, the run line calculator gives you the + or - number a book has to charge juice they cant put up -146 -1 and +146 +1 that wouldn't be very profitable
so -1 -161 or +1 +141 seems reasonable or if its 30c line +131 on the +1
 
#6
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

in other words the calc gives you the no vig line
 
#7
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Jason,

True or false.

If you want to win a $100 on A's -1 and you bet Heritage -1 line @-161 and then bet your own -1 line (-207 ML) (+110 RL) you don't save 14.8 cents?
 
#8
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Let's look at +1 with COLO in that game.

Heritage offering +1 +123

+1 line when betting your own +131

Another anal rape.
 

2W2P2S

EOG Dedicated
#9
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Oh boy.
 
#10
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Jason,

True or false.

If you want to win a $100 on A's -1 and you bet Heritage -1 line @-161 and then bet your own -1 line (-207 ML) (+110 RL) you don't save 14.8 cents?
the line you're making is a no vig lne, where can you bet no vig?

every -1 or +1 line will be an "anal" rape at any book using a no vig line
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
#12
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

the line you're making is a no vig lne, where can you bet no vig?

every -1 or +1 line will be an "anal" rape at any book using a no vig line
99.9% that it is not a no vig line. He is making half the bet at -1.5 and half the bet on the ml using the prices currently offered at the book which is the same thing as making the whole bet at -1 if i understand this correctly. Gabe, to clear this up, the -147ish you are getting by splitting the bet into 2 parts, is that using Heritage current lines?
 
#13
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

99.9% that it is not a no vig line. He is making half the bet at -1.5 and half the bet on the ml using the prices currently offered at the book.
sorry then im reading the calc wrong

apologize Gabe
 
#14
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

99.9% that it is not a no vig line. He is making half the bet at -1.5 and half the bet on the ml using the prices currently offered at the book.
Yeah there is vig on both ML and RL , how is there not? -207 is a vig line, +110 is a vig line. Jasson keeps saying no vig, I don't know why.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
#16
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

the line you're making is a no vig lne, where can you bet no vig?

every -1 or +1 line will be an "anal" rape at any book using a no vig line
FTR, I thought as you did at 1st as well.
 
#17
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Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

I HOPE THEY DONT RAPE ME ON THE 55 DOLLARS I HAD IN MY ACCOUNT BEFORE THEY CLOSED IT FOR NO REASON.I THINK HERITAGE IS GOING DOWNHILL MAYBE LENNY FROM CASCADE SPORTSBOOK IS RUNNING HERITAGE NOW :doh1

THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE CLOSED MY ACCOUNT THAT WAS BULLSHIT I WONER IF THEY ARE GOING TO STIFF ME
 
#19
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I AM EMBARRASSED FOR HERITAGE HAVING THE BIGGEST STIFF ONLINE AS A SPOKESMAN.DOES HERITAGE KNOW BRIAN LAVERTYS PAST FOR OPENING UP AN ONLINE SPORTSBOOK AND STIFFING POSTERS :LMAO

HERITAGE YOU MIGHT WANT SOMEBODY ELSE BESIDE BRIAN LAVERTY SPEAKING FOR YOU IN THIS FORUM.YOU SHOULD CLOSE THIS STIFFS ACCOUNT UNTIL HE PAYS THE POSTERS HE STIFFED
BRIAN LAVERTY A SPOKESMAN FOR HERITAGEVTHAT TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HERITAGE NOW.I HOPE I GET THE 55 DOLLARS
 
#21
Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Re: Heritage rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

Instead of risking $161 you would risk $146.19 for the same exact wager.

If Oakland wins by 1 run you push either way, it's the same exact wager.


This website does all the work for you
http://zcodesystem.com/runline_calc/
It isn't the exact same wager because there are different rules for MLs and RLs to be official.

The "synthesized" bet as you have done allows for the game to be shortened, win the ML, and have both the -1 and -1.5 be "No action". Of course, if you lose a shortened game, you lose the ML whereas you would get a "No action" on the -1 and -1.5. Also list pitchers to avoid getting the ML changed and screwing up the balanced payout.
 
#22
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The savings of juice in the long term far exceeds the possibilty of winning or losing half of the bet.

Technically you are correct but simultaneously I don't see the allure of betting the books -1 even if rain is in the forecast. It could turn a win into a lost and vice versa.
 
#23
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The savings of juice in the long term far exceeds the possibilty of winning or losing half of the bet.

Technically you are correct but simultaneously I don't see the allure of betting the books -1 even if rain is in the forecast. It could turn a win into a lost and vice versa.
Yeah, my post had nothing to do with the relative value of the "synthesized" bet. I just pointed out that the two bets are not exactly the same.

In fact, there is a small advantage to the "synthesized" bet since in a shortened game its more likely that the favorite is winning. Thus cash the ML more often than losing it in a shortened game whereas the -1 is always "No action" in a shortened game.
 
#24
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You're right, it's not the same exact bet.

I've been betting these since 2006 and can't remember a game being shortened.

I've had a bunch of regular MLs wagers get shortened. Good stuff Bob.
 

2W2P2S

EOG Dedicated
#25
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The hold on the +/- 1 wager is just over 6%. I wouldn't be using the term "rape".
 
#26
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The hold on the +/- 1 wager is just over 6%. I wouldn't be using the term "rape".
$100 bettor saved $14+ of juice alone on this one bet (RISK $161 or $146.18)
$500 bettor would save $74 of juice on this one bet alone. (Risk $805 or $731)

You don't think that adds up exponentially?
 

2W2P2S

EOG Dedicated
#27
Re: This Book rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

$100 bettor saved $14+ of juice alone on this one bet (RISK $161 or $146.18)
$500 bettor would save $74 of juice on this one bet alone. (Risk $805 or $731)

You don't think that adds up exponentially?
Like most answers I have to give, it depends. When comparing apples to apples of course paying a higher premium will take it's toll.
But, you are comparing 3 different wagers, and I think in fairness the thread title may be a bit misleading and maybe showing the hold % of each one of those wagers would have been the best way to go about it.
 
#28
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Like most answers I have to give, it depends. When comparing apples to apples of course paying a higher premium will take it's toll.
But, you are comparing 3 different wagers, and I think in fairness the thread title may be a bit misleading and maybe showing the hold % of each one of those wagers would have been the best way to go about it.
I am just trying to help, information like this is usually kept behind the scenes.
 

2W2P2S

EOG Dedicated
#29
Re: This Book rapes you on MLB -1 lines just bet your own. Check this out.

I am just trying to help, information like this is usually kept behind the scenes.
I understand. But also understand that your conversions may not be the result of an exorbitant or "rapelike" +/- 1 run line, but the result of more generous competing variable, such as the ML.
 
#30
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I strongly doubt the ML grading rule would affect many bets and if there are any indications of rain a person could bet accordingly. If anything the conversions would help because the ML wager would then win rather than be no action.
 
#31
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yes, I don't bet -1 at heritage because of the vig

in fact, that goes for all alternate RLs/totals there

look at 5 Dimes and they will always have a better price
 
#32
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I didn't even mention the fact that if you line shop you can get an even better number.

5dimes usually has a good RL #
 
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