He's a 1st ballot Hall of Famer even if his ballot consisted of Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Ted Williams, and other all-time greats. Before Bonds ever touched a steroid he was one of the three greatest players of all time.
very simple and plausible theory: after the 99 season where he only played 102 gms due to injuries, he takes the roids because he knows his production will slip because his body is slipping. it is just one season after the mcgwire and sosa baseball hr lovefest, and bonds says fukk it, i'm gona take roids and beat mcgwires record and hank aaron's too
8 seasons on roids and 317 hrs after starting the roids
NO WAY NO HOW WAS THIS GUY TOP 3 EVER BEFORE TAKING THE ROIDS
hall of famer before roids? yes
top 3 ballplayer ever? no fukking way
If you don't put in Bonds, you may as well cancel the HOF and don't have one.
Also, unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that every player who is currently in the HOF never cheated even one time, you have to let him in. Sure, we would all love to believe that the player of yesteryear never broke the rules but cmon, they all did it. Think of the stuff that went on back in the 'day'.
Jim Kaat made a good point about this. He said that any juicing before 2004 (or was it 2001?) wasn't against the rules. What he did WAS against the rules. Kitty said that he threw pitches that were forbidden from the rule book (im guessing spitters or stuff like that) and even though some believe that steroids is worse than spitballs, its still rules vs no rules.
Also, you have to factor in that many of Bonds homeruns were hit off pitchers who were also on the juice. Bonds just evened up the score.
Do you think Maddux took roids?
I don't know who took them and who did not, its very hard to say.
And on the flipside, look at the resume of Mr Clemens after he got hurt.
I want to hear the other two included with Bonds for all-time best. Tim Raines was on the HOF track when cocaine derailed it.
Barry Bonds was a three time MVP before he started taking steroids. He was a 9 time GG winner before he started taking steroids. He had gone 30-30 and was a three hundred hitter. You are also saying his career would have just ended if he didn't take 'roids. You have to look at his projected numbers. He still would have ended up as the only 500-500 guy. With all his Gold Gloves, and going 500-500, and his MVP awards I would have to say he was a top 5 pre-steroids. 3 was a little high.
speaking of cocaine:
are MLB players tested for it ?
I don't think it would help over the course of a season....
but
I think it could help, used selectively
how about Manny Ramirez possibly batting, in a playoff game, while wired ?
I think it would make him ( or anybody else) perform better, IN THAT GAME. It would hurt if used everyday, but for one big game, I think it COULD enhance performance.
One certainly feels good when coked up !
I haven't used it regularly myself in 15 years, except for one time about 5 years ago. Offer me a line, I'll snort it ( if I think it is the good stuff)!
I really think it would help, in a big game.
They are tested for it. Remember when Raines admitted having a vile of coke in his back pocket, and tore the pocket sliding?
Take a guess.
I don't recall that. Are they tested aggressively, or just some random spot checks ?
What's the penalty ( 1st time) ?
East coast hymies are the ones who vote. Thats why Walter Omalley is not in. Do they like a West Coast guy who is not a company man whore? NO.
East coast hymies are the ones who vote. Thats why Walter Omalley is not in. Do they like a West Coast guy who is not a company man whore? NO.