Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

DimeDR · Apr 16, 2008

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George Washington's Blog: 14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center

roscoe · Apr 16, 2008

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DimeDR said:
watch this experiment, guys.

hey, roscoe, did osama bin laden orchestrate 9/11?

he wont even answer yes or no.

yes:bank:

Doc Mercer · Apr 16, 2008

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Interesting how Bin Laden is not even wanted in connection with events regarding 9-11: Most Wanted Terrorist - Usama Bin Laden And our Fed boys need to get a "tad bit more accurate" on those CIA produced Bin Laden tapes that "just happen" to show when needed by Bush as the Facial expressions sure dont match his picture SANTA CLAUS ..... THE EASTER RABBIT ..... 9-11 "OFFICIAL" GOVT VERSIONS ... 3 STORIES THAT JUST "DONT HAPPEN"

roscoe · Apr 16, 2008

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Facts and Falsehoods about Obama

Ok, I'm getting alot of google traffic to my site from people looking for information about Barack Obama's past, specifically his time spent at a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia. The truth and lies:

Lie: The Clinton Campaign leaked information about Barack Obama.

Truth: Barack Obama's attendance at a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia was discussed in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father". It was originally published in 1995. From his book, page 142:

In Indonesia, I?d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I?d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.

Lie: Barack Obama attended a radical Muslim school, where he was taught Wahhabism.

Truth: Obama attended a Muslim elementary school largely because he couldn't afford to go to an American school. He was not taught Wahhabism, or any form of radical Islam. From his second book, "The Audacity of Hope" page 274:

Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.

Lie: Barack Obama attended a Muslim school for four years.

Truth: Obama attended a Muslim school for two years, later attending a Catholic school.

Lie: A madrassa is any school that teaches radical Islam.

Truth: Madrassa is the Arabic word for school. English speaking Schools in Arabic speaking countries that serve the children of American service men and women are also called Madrassas.

Lie: Obama's father raised him as a radical Muslim.

Truth: Obama, in his autobiography written in 1995, describes both his biological father Barack Obama Sr. and his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, as born Muslim, but atheist or agnostic by choice.

Lie: Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Truth: Barack Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ.

Lie: Barack Obama is a Muslim who converted to Christianity in order to seek public office.

Truth: Barack Obama has been a member of the United Church of Christ since 1988, well before he sought public office.

Lie: Barack Obama is sympathetic to radical Islam.

Truth: Barack Obama will kick Osama bin Laden's ass. He said so himself:

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

Lie: Barack Obama's real name is Hussein.

Truth: Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein. For the absurdity of judging people on their middle names, read this.

Lie: Barack Obama willingly chose to study radical Islam as an adult in Indonesia.

Truth: Obama attended a Muslim school between the ages of 6 and 8, so he likely had no choice as to which school to attend. Furthermore, as stated above, the school he attended did not teach radical Islam or Wahabbism.

That's it. Go Forth.

Thanks to Media Matters and Thinkprogress for various info.

UPDATE: Someone brought this website to my attention. It does a much better job than I do of debunking the conservative spin on Barack Obama's past.

See it here.

Posted by dnA at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://halfricanrevolution.blogspot.com/2007/01/facts-and-falsehoods-about-obama.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2007-01-20T16:14:00-05:00>4:14 PM</ABBR>

Labels: Barack Obama, Islam, Race, Racism, Right Wing Media

23 comments:

<DL id=comments-block><DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c2270696283774730648>Gummy said... <DD class=comment-body>I think there's a difference between someone who experimented with drugs during their youth, and people who hold on to problematic addictions as adults. The former - who cares? Doesn't make someone unfit for office. The latter, I would question their judgement.
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<DD class=comment-footer>January 21, 2007 3:41 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c4187091378331479674>Kumar said... <DD class=comment-body>Gummy: I understand your point, but I think that is an unfair comparison. Attending an islamic school is in itself not a crime. There are several thousands of these schools I assume, many of which are in countries where there is no connection between these schools and terrorism and radical Islam. For someone living in Indonesia going to a madrassa would not be an issue. It is a media created impression here in the west that the madrassas are connected directly to radical Islam. I do not intend to say that there is no radical Islam thought in certain madrassas, I am quite sure it is.

On a side note I am amazed by this focus on Obama and his background. From where I am here in Norway it is very much a pointless discussion, what school he went to or what religion he belongs to. I think his recent choice of career and his life serving the country as a politician speak for itself.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 21, 2007 4:09 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c7482590319749288334>chaps said... <DD class=comment-body>fuck osama hussein!
<DD class=comment-footer>January 21, 2007 4:51 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c7935275747367805168>wfzimmerman said... <DD class=comment-body>For a factually accurate and entertaining perspective on Obama, see

SHOULD BARACK OBAMA BE PRESIDENT (Nimble Books, October 2006).
<DD class=comment-footer>January 21, 2007 5:01 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c3462814398870440886>Capt. Cube said... <DD class=comment-body>No matter what, the Hills/Barack battle will be an interesting one. Me, I always pull for the underdog, so I've got my fingers crossed for Obama!
<DD class=comment-footer>January 21, 2007 5:43 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c5470961197838680799>Compost Books said... <DD class=comment-body>This is good information, however, you did not "prove" that the Clintonites are the one pushing this information in the media. Someone is orchestrating an email smear campaign and also planting the info on Fox News. Hillary is pretty friendly with Ruport Murdoch these days.

In any event, pushing this now is the action of someone who is worried about Obama in the primary, not the general election. The GOP would have waited longer to smear him in this manner.

Hillary should be considered guilty until proven innocent.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 21, 2007 8:43 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c779309894339053513>jjsonp said... <DD class=comment-body>just because obama wrote it in his book does not make it a 'fact'. could be true, could be not.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 21, 2007 10:02 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c6779042312207086831>khushnood said... <DD class=comment-body>Promoting affordable, accessible, and high-quality health care was a priority for Barack Obama in the Illinois State Senate and is a priority for him in the United States Senate. He believes firmly that health care should be a right for everyone, not a privilege for the few.
health
<DD class=comment-footer>January 22, 2007 12:45 AM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c2901635482149977114>Meutia said... <DD class=comment-body>I'm an Indonesian, and am familiar with Indonesian education system. The school that Obama went to is government school with secular curricullum. It is not religion-based school and kids from different religions are mixed together in one class. Also there is no separation of male and female students as in the case of radical islamic school. The female students do not wear headdress.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 25, 2007 4:01 AM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c2949026002404730056>Anonymous said... <DD class=comment-body>I think it's not Republican Party spinning against Obama, but Hillary Clinton supporters and Ron Paul supporters who are spinning all this rubbish about Obama!!! That is what I am seeing!
<DD class=comment-footer>December 10, 2007 7:34 AM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c4307267323137793428>Meerz said... <DD class=comment-body>I'm an Arab, and Madrassa is by no means means "radical islamic school". It just simply means SCHOOL!
I'm sure that the school Obama attended as a child just taught Islamic studies as a "subject", and there is nothing wrong with learning Islamic Studies. He doesn't have to be muslim, afterall it is for his education. Besides for a 6 or 8 years old boy/girl, probably they would just be taught the very basic stuff.
I went to an AMERICAN SCHOOL and I studied Islamic studies as a subject, what's the big deal? I didn't turn out a terrorist nor a radical!! Nor did any of the people in my country thankgod. The given lies mentioned above are just examples of how narrowminded people can get!!!
Obamaaaaaa all the way!
<DD class=comment-footer>January 9, 2008 7:38 AM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c6798736043687025502>Cory said... <DD class=comment-body>You know, I think Obama is a great speaker and a gentlemen. Who cares that he went to a school that was muslim. Not all muslims are bad people. They have radical islam and we have the KKK. get my point. My concern is Obama's experience. I just see him being a bit to green to get my vote. Maybe another 4 years will convince me to vote for him.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 9, 2008 2:24 PM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c1395994852248226508>Anonymous said... <DD class=comment-body>True, Obama's great with words but it'll take more than hot air to solve our country's problems. This wave of good feelings and optimism he's created smacks of a cult of personality. How do we know whether or not he's a capable leader? We don't. I think Clinton is clearly the better choice.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 12, 2008 12:32 AM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c5517512346697408861>Anonymous said... <DD class=comment-body>In this uncertain world, I would not trust anyone, especially Obama who is such a recent convert to Christainty. One never knows who our spies are or who are undercover terriost seeking power in this country. These are dangerous times, so watch out America! Lets not be asleep as we were during 9/11.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 14, 2008 3:55 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c2692326122957731785>listingagent100 said... <DD class=comment-body>whats the big deal if obama was muslim or is muslim? i read on obamamuslim.com all about it.
<DD class=comment-footer>January 24, 2008 4:40 AM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c1511781867400747975>Anonymous said... <DD class=comment-body>Truth: Obama has no business running...should stick to writing books about himself
<DD class=comment-footer>January 30, 2008 2:26 AM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c2481367541485470563>Anonymous said... <DD class=comment-body>Did he not swear his oath to office on the koran (spell it however you want)? Funny thing for a Christian to do.
<DD class=comment-footer>February 7, 2008 11:04 PM <DT class="comment-author blogger-comment-icon" id=c2274747319719426847>blrenz said... <DD class=comment-body>So He was In Chruch and he pretened to pray! "No angels came nothing happned" Ok He was young I will let that pass But this Guy has a real problem with the truth! When you ask a question you will get a string of words as long as your arm but no real answer. Take the question about his faith.. Mr Obama Do you believe in the muslim faith? His answer.. I am a member of the United Church of Christ. What does that mean? I have been around long enough to know when a Lawer or pro office seeker tells you something you better listen to what they say not what you think they siad. This Guy seems to risky at a time when we cant afford a mistake. I believe America is ready to elect a black person to the highest office in the land. But with that said why him? There so many more, experanced and desereving. Hope and oppurtunity are easy to talk about in 2008. I feel it is an insult him to put himself in the same class as Martin Luther King. Mr Obama you are no MLK! MLK knew the price he and many fo his friends would have to pay would be there lives. Mr Obama you are no Martin Luther King.
<DD class=comment-footer>February 17, 2008 1:06 PM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c7618131423022584106>Anonymous said... <DD class=comment-body>Healthcare is a right? This is why you would vote for him. Since when did the sweat from my brow become your right to have insurance. It should be more like, I went back to school, got a better job, made more money, bought my own insurance, not the other way around. Obama has to love all of you hands out people who feel everyone else owes you what you should be earning yourself voters. Good thing their are not enough fo you to give him the win.
<DD class=comment-footer>February 25, 2008 1:55 AM <DT class="comment-author anon-comment-icon" id=c5450798947400987314>Anonymous said... <DD class=comment-body>Ummm, all you did was quote Mr. Obama's book and stated it as "facts".

It shows, you're just another "Obama-bot" riding the propaganda machine.
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Doc Mercer · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

Speaking of Obama: What has Barack Obama ever accomplished? "Some Say" that those who support Obama do so without a clue, and do so because of a "Svengali" effect his has on his "cult". I say that it is unfortunate, in this age of the Internet, that folks aren?t able to inform themselves, yet are able to post on a Political blog to have a say. I have done my research on Sen. Obama, and so have many of the others who support him. Maybe that is why he is attracting the most educated progressives in this nation; maybe it is because they do their homework, and do not rely on name recognition to determine whom to vote for. So to inform you, please note the following articles that sum up some of what Barack has ?done? in his last 11 years in public office. Considering that Obama may be the Democratic Nominee, I believe that it is important for you, as a public voice, to be informed: His bold legislative work on the Illinois Death Penalty, and how he made a difference between life and death: Illinois Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/obama.death.pena... / His sponsorship of a bill that brought health insurance to 150,000, including 70,000 uninsured Children, again, during his time serving in the Illinois Statehouse: http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/f... Media Matters - Ignoring key bill, Wash. Post' s Milbank attempted to refute Obama's statement that he "expanded health care in Illinois" His work on both the Immigration bill during his time in the US senate and his sponsorship of Ethics legislation (something he did both while in the State House, and in the Senate) that called for some of the most impactful reform regarding lobbyists since Watergate (as he likes to term it): http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/f... www.senate.gov - This page cannot be found.... Here?s a chart of many of his accomplishments during his 8 years in the Illinois state house - and his sponsored and co sponsored Bills in the U.S. Senate.......which include worthwhile bills dealing with a wide range of issues, from Election reform bills to the Cooperative Proliferation Detection reduction Act (w/t Sen. Lugar) to Internet database transparency Act. PolitiFact | Obama sponsored a bill that became law / http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2005/Novembe... Senate Passes Coburn-Obama Bill to Create Internet Database of Federal Spending | U.S. Senator Barack Obama / THOMAS (Library of Congress) / (Select Obama?s name from the Senator drop down) This does not lists all of his accomplishments, nor does it deals with his accomplishments prior to entering elected office. Bottomline, it is Hillary?s accomplishments since her Senate tenure that are not clear. She?s been there longer than Barack, and still has done underwhelming little compared to Obama?s accomplishments in less years. In addition, if the way Hillary has ran her campaign, without a Plan B, is any indication of how she will run our White House, I say, I?ll pass. Obama has shown that he can produce results under enormous odds (see his campaign and what it accomplished), and that in itself speaks more to who will truly be ?ready from day one?.

Agent 0659 · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

DimeDR said:
hey marine, hows it going maybe you can whine to jack and he can do something

glad to see you are once again doing the old ad hominem and cant address any of the on topic concepts

:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3

Doc Mercer · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

Hell ... The CIA even put Hussein in power and paid for his apt if I recall correctly

CapperJed · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

Did Hussein frequent Whoooooooooooooooooores?

Doc Mercer · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

We heard reports that he loved 3some action with Bush43 and Jeff "Bulldog" Gannon

CapperJed · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

Al queda isn't a made up deal. What's a made a pile of bullshit is that they'll take over Iraq if we end our occupation. (See, it's an occupation, not a war.) The Iraqi's aren't fighting us to have other foreigners take over when, if ever, we leave. And if the civil strife continues bfd. People all over the world are killing each other. As long as our soldiers aren't in the middle, who cares what goes on in Iraq? The oil boys, that's who! And they tell their lies and well meaning, but plum ignorant red necks, buy into the nonsense. Facist governments know the business of manipulating and exploiting the frustrations life doles out, as history has shown.

Doc Mercer · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

The Iraqis are bailing out and refusing to hold that line !!! .... this nitemare has cemented Bush's "Legacy" Source: International Herald Tribune BAGHDAD: A company of Iraqi soldiers abandoned their positions on Tuesday night in Sadr City, defying American soldiers who implored them to hold the line against Shiite militias. The retreat left a crucial stretch of road on the front lines undefended for hours and led to a tense series of exchanges between American soldiers and about 50 Iraqi troops who were fleeing. Captain Logan Veath, a company commander in the 25th Infantry Division, pleaded with the Iraqi major who was leading his troops away from the Sadr City fight, urging him to return to the front... Read more: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/16/africa/16sadr.ph...

DimeDR · Apr 16, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

roscoe,

dont clutter this thread like the mindless did at MJs. this isnt about obama, go plant that somewhere else ... i know its one of your fave tactics but stay on subject about 9/11, or how it relates directly back to it

ok, so now you admitted that OBL did the wtcs, let me ask you this ...

how did the TV talking heads (read: shills , and CFR reps) and gov. immediately know it was OBL within an hour of the attacks? isnt that a conspiracy??? they could not have had their facts that fast IF the neocons truly had NO WARNING it was al qaeda and OBL as your hero BUSH stated many times (can't have it both ways so explain this to all of us nuts) ... (and even fbi chief mueller, who had all the boxcutters names within 24 hours, later admitted he might not have all the real identities) ... answer the above and dont dodge it.

and further, if it was OBL, and thats what you just stated, answer me why he was never once WANTED BY THE FBI FOR THE 9/11 CAPER?? do we let murderers of 3000 walk away in this country? dont you find that odd??

ok, guys sit back and watch MARINE try to get out of this, LMAO:LMAO

roscoe · Apr 16, 2008

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forgive me the obama post was a mistake. c.i.a. had intelligence on bin laden wanting to attack u.s. prior to 9-11.wasn't hard to connect the dots after the fact. as for bin laden not being wanted by the f.b.i.,this u.s. has a 10 million bounty on his head. what's the difference?

DimeDR · Apr 16, 2008

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so lets get this straight, the talking heads on all major media TV channels and major newspapers within an hour got word from the FBI that it was OBL? IS THAT WHAT YOUR STORY IS?? is that responsible journalism? dont they fact check? does anyone recall that on this thread: that all major media verbally announced that the FBI was the source confirming this fact?

and going one step further, once a bounty is established on someone's head is that person (OBL in this case) no longer pulbic enemy no. 1 according to the FBI? (wasnt the case for Dillinger but maybe things changed since the cross-dresser Hoover croaked) ...

and #2, is there any precedent for this or is it just something you spur of the moment(ed) to cover your tracks with your brand of logic? please reference this fact with previous scenarios the FBI followed, im sure you must have researched it to come up with your bounty theory
:LMAO

also, do you believe all the tapes the gov/neocons/bush released at key moments to blame OBL through the years for all of USA's ills, were all those tapes authentic and were they OBL's true self speaking and shown in each tape released by the government?

again, answer this directly with your own words.

dont :dancefool tap dance.

see, marine, this is a true debate you never faced at MJs isnt this fun, you have to be accountable as do i.

cheers,
dimeDR

arty

Agent 0659 · Apr 16, 2008

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Roscoe HAS to feel like a complete dipshit at this point.

:hung

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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Agent: not really .... he probably watches FOX NEWS and there is no more confused crowd walking the streets of America today /// Hitler sent in his own troops to attack the radio station @ Gliewetz and blamed it on Poland and Bush attacked the WTCs and within hrs this great man who cant read a flappin child's book knew it was Bin Laden // This 9-11 Fantasy story makes me realize that most Americans are too busy watching American Idol than to use their brains and digest the bullshit story sold by BUSHCO

roscoe · Apr 17, 2008

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let's make this real simple.i believe 19 islamist terriosts hijacked four commercial airliners and crashed them into the world trade center and the pentagon.thankfully flight 93 never made it to its intended target! i believe osama bin laden orchestrated the attacks. the u.s. government had absolutely no part. george bush had no part. the tooth fairy had no part.now please explain what you think happened.no cut and paste, just a broad outline of wht transpired that day.

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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Bin Laden is not wanted with anything to do with 9-11 events: Most Wanted Terrorist - Usama Bin Laden /// No Muslims on any passenger lists or morgue reports from that morning // Rumsfeld admitted a "missle" hit the Pentagon in an Oct, 2001 interview and no way in hell an engine from a Commerical Airline jet dissolves in heat .... please ... name one crash in your lifetime where wreckage can not be found ... and love that no damage is done to the front lawn when a 60 ton commercial airline jet skids across the front lawn of the Pentagon that morning /// where were our fighter jets? Payne Stewart's plane veers off course and the fighter jets are scrambled immediately -- hmmm ... interesting how when Cheney is placed in charge of NORAD opps by Bush in May of 01 that "shit just happens" /// keep believeing this bullshit as Karl Rove love the simple minded crowd

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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Roscoe: Please explain how cell calls were connected from heights of 30,000 feet on that morning when the technology to connect calls from those heights did not exsist until 2004 /// more interesting is hearing folks like Mark Bingham say: "Mom ... this is MARK BINGHAM real slow like ..." great relationship ya had with your Mommy Bingham!! /// interesting how Todd Beamer of flight 93 "Lets roll" bullshit shows up in the SS Death Index in 1997 .... his ass "talks" on the phone for 13 mintues with the operator and when asked if he wants his wife says NO??? ... hello ... you are going to die and dont want to say goodbye to your wife? ... and love how his wife brags about their Wedding Day in page 07 of her book ... ONE PROBLEM: no record of her wedding can be found on any public record files !!!

roscoe · Apr 17, 2008

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the technology for phone service from commercial airliners absolutely did exist in 2001. cell phone sevice worked when you were close enough to a cell tower. i believe the planes were flying much lower than 30,000 feet anyway.

roscoe · Apr 17, 2008

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Claims relating to the cell phone calls
Canadian Mathematician A.K. Dewdney, based on a study he conducted in Canada in 2003, says that the chance of successful connections for the number of cell phone calls made from the planes used in the 9/11 attacks "can only be described as infinitesimal".<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-105>[106]</SUP> Based on this, economist Michel Chossudovsky says that at least part of the 9/11 Commission Report chapter on the cell phone conversations, is fabricated.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-106>[107]</SUP> According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report). The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force testified that all but two calls from Flight 93 were made on air phones. <SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-107>[108]</SUP> There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77 which American Airlines later confirmed did not have airphones fitted; two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants Madeleine Sweeney and Betty Ong on Flight 11. A conspiracy theory web site claims anomalies relating to the nature of the phone call transcripts.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-108>[109]</SUP> However, industry experts indicate that it is possible to use cell phones with varying degrees of success during a flight. <SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-109>[110]</SUP> Marvin Sirbu, professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University said after the attacks that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight.

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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Within days of the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in July, American Airlines and Qualcomm, proudly announced the development of a new wireless technology --which will at some future date allow airline passengers using their cell phones to contact family and friends from a commercial aircraft (no doubt at a special rate aerial roaming charge) (see Qualcomm Press Center- American Airlines and Qualcomm Complete Test Flight to Evaluate In-Cabin Mobile Phone Use ) "Travelers could be talking on their personal cellphones as early as 2006. Earlier this month [July 2004], American Airlines conducted a trial run on a modified aircraft that permitted cell phone calls." (WP, July 27, 2004) Aviation Week (07/20/04) described this new technology in an authoritative report published in July 2004: "Qualcomm and American Airlines are exploring [July 2004] ways for passengers to use commercial cell phones inflight for air-to-ground communication. In a recent 2-hr. proof-of-concept flight, representatives from government and the media used commercial Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) third-generation cell phones to place and receive calls and text messages from friends on the ground. For the test flight from Dallas-Fort Worth, the aircraft was equipped with an antenna in the front and rear of the cabin to transmit cell phone calls to a small in-cabin CDMA cellular base station. This "pico cell" transmitted cell phone calls from the aircraft via a Globalstar satellite to the worldwide terrestrial phone network" Needless to say, neither the service, nor the "third generation" hardware, nor the "Picco cell" CDMA base station inside the cabin (which so to speak mimics a cell phone communication tower inside the plane) were available on the morning of September 11, 2001. The 911 Commission points to the clarity and detail of these telephone conversations. In substance, the Aviation Week report creates yet another embarrassing hitch in the official story. The untimely July American Airlines / Qualcomm announcement acted as a cold shower. Barely acknowledged in press reports, it confirms that the Bush administration had embroidered the cell phone narrative (similar to what they did with WMDs) and that the 9/11 Commission's account was either flawed or grossly exaggerated. Altitude and Cellphone Transmission According to industry experts, the crucial link in wireless cell phone transmission from an aircraft is altitude. Beyond a certain altitude which is usually reached within a few minutes after takeoff, cell phone calls are no longer possible. In other words, given the wireless technology available on September 11 2001, these cell calls could not have been placed from high altitude.

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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Let us not forget: one of the Main "sources" claimed by the Right regarding the 9-11 events /// POPULAR MECHANICES .... the editor was who? MICHAEL CHERTOFF's cousin !!!

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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Roscoe: just for you ---- FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO WAR AND DICTATORSHIP It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating the enemies you need. In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus Licinius Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on the spot for a tiny fraction of it's worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the building to burn to the ground. By means of this device, Crassus eventually came to be the largest single private land holder in Rome, and used some of his wealth to help back Julius Caesar against Cicero. In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on what Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no intentions of enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a plan. Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Spartacus in order to strike terror into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Spartacus had already defeated in battle. But Spartacus had no intention of marching on Rome itself, a move he knew to be suicidal. Spartacus and his band wanted nothing to do with the Roman empire and had planned from the start merely to loot enough money from their former owners in the Italian countryside to hire a mercenary fleet in which to sail to freedom. Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Spartacus to do. He needed a convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal political gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without Spartacus, then positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Spartacus had no choice but to march on Rome. Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators, Rome declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Spartacus' army and even though Pompey took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the following year. With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of government. Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of Crassus, Pompeii, and Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like Emperors of Rome. The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Emperors. Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers. What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero, Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers. Then the Reichstag burned down; a staged terrorist attack. The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the total rule of Der Fuehrer. Hitler had German troops dressed in Polish uniforms attack the radio station at Gliewitz, then lied to the Germans, telling them Poland had invaded, and marched Germany off into World War Two The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice. Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in. In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in Cuba. Hearst is reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to photograph the coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war that might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, "You take the photographs, and I will provide the war". Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper published stories of great atrocities being committed against the Cuban people, most of which turned out to be complete fabrications. On the night of February 15, 1898, the USS Maine, lying in Havana harbor in a show of US resolve to protect her interests, exploded violently. Captain Sigsbee, the commander of the Maine, urged that no assumptions of enemy attack be made until there was a full investigation of the cause of the explosion. For this, Captain Sigsbee was excoriated in the press for "refusing to see the obvious". The Atlantic Monthly declared flat out that to suppose the explosion to be anything other than a deliberate act by Spain was "completely at defiance of the laws of probability". Under the slogan "Remember the Maine", Americans went to war with Spain, eventually winning the Philippines (and annexing Hawaii along the way). In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion. The most likely cause of the sinking was a coal dust explosion in a coal bunker imprudently located next to the ship's magazines. Captain Sigsbee's caution had been well founded. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed a war. He needed the fever of a major war to mask the symptoms of a still deathly ill economy struggling back from the Great Depression (and mutating towards Socialism at the same time). Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany to stop Hitler, but despite several provocations in the Atlantic, the American people, still struggling with that troublesome economy, were opposed to any wars. Roosevelt violated neutrality with lend lease, and even ordered the sinking of several German ships in the Atlantic, but Hitler refused to be provoked. Roosevelt needed an enemy, and if America would not willingly attack that enemy, then one would have to be maneuvered into attacking America, much as Marcus Licinius Crassus has maneuvered Spartacus into attacking Rome. The way open to war was created when Japan signed the tripartite agreement with Italy and Germany, with all parties pledging mutual defense to each other. Whereas Hitler would never declare war on the United States no matter the provocation, the means to force Japan to do so were readily at hand. The first step was to place oil and steel embargoes on Japan, using Japan's wars on the Asian mainland as a reason. This forced Japan to consider seizing the oil and mineral rich regions in Indonesia. With the European powers militarily exhausted by the war in Europe, the United States was the only power in the Pacific able to stop Japan from invading the Dutch East Indies, and by moving the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Roosevelt made a pre-emptive strike on that fleet the mandatory first step in any Japanese plan to extend it's empire into the "southern resource area". Roosevelt boxed in Japan just as completely as Crassus had boxed in Spartacus. Japan needed oil. They had to invade Indonesia to get it, and to do that they first had to remove the threat of the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. There never really was any other course open to them. To enrage the American people as much as possible, Roosevelt needed the first overt attack by Japan to be as bloody as possible, appearing as a sneak attack much as the Japanese had done to the Russians. From that moment up until the attack on Pearl Harbor itself, Roosevelt and his associates made sure that the commanders in Hawaii, General Short and Admiral Kimmel, were kept in the dark as much as possible about the location of the Japanese fleet and it's intentions, then later scapegoated for the attack. (Congress recently exonerated both Short and Kimmel, posthumously restoring them to their former ranks). But as the Army board had concluded at the time, and subsequent de-classified documents confirmed, Washington DC knew the attack was coming, knew exactly where the Japanese fleet was, and knew where it was headed. On November 29th, Secretary of State Hull showed United Press reporter Joe Leib a message with the time and place of the attack, and the New York Times in it's special 12/8/41 Pearl Harbor edition, on page 13, reported that the time and place of the attack had been known in advance! The much repeated claim that the Japanese fleet maintained radio silence on it's way to Hawaii was a lie. Among other intercepts still held in the Archives of the NSA is the UNCODED message sent by the Japanese tanker Shirya stating, "proceeding to a position 30.00 N, 154.20 E. Expect to arrive at that point on 3 December." (near HI) President Lyndon Johnson wanted a war in Vietnam. He wanted it to help his friends who owned defense companies to do a little business. He needed it to get the Pentagon and CIA to quit trying to invade Cuba. And most of all, he needed a provocation to convince the American people that there was really "no other choice". On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks" against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on "routine patrol". The truth is that USS Maddox was involved in aggressive intelligence gathering in coordination with actual attacks by South Vietnam and the Laotian Air Force against targets in North Vietnam. The truth is also that there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonar man who had picked up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked. But even with this knowledge that the report was false, Lyndon Johnson went on national TV that night to announce the commencement of air strikes against North Vietnam, "retaliation" for an attack that had never occurred. President George H. W. Bush wanted a war in Iraq. Like Crassus, George Bush is motivated by money. Specifically oil money. But with the OPEC alliance failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath Iraq, which sat over roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the entire region. George wanted a war to stop that flow of oil, to keep prices (and profits) from falling any further than they already had. But like Roosevelt, he needed the "other side" to make the first move. Iraq had long been trying to acquire greater access to the Persian Gulf, and felt limited confined a narrow strip of land along Kuwait's northern border, which placed Iraqi interests in close proximity with hostile Iran. George Bush, who had been covertly arming Iraq during its war with Iran, sent word via April Glaspie that the United States would not intervene if Saddam Hussein grabbed a larger part of Kuwait. Saddam fell for the bait and invaded. Of course, Americans were not about to send their sons and daughters to risk their lives for petroleum products. So George Bush arranged a hoax, using a public relations firm which has grown rich on taxpayer money by being most industrious and creative liars! The PR firm concocted a monumental fraud in which the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror story in which Iraqi troops looted the incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital, leaving the premature babies on the cold floor to die. The media, part of the swindle from the start, never bothered asking why the "nurse" didn't just pick the babies up and wrap them in blankets or something. Enraged by the incubator story, Americans supported operation Desert Storm, which never removed Saddam Hussein from power but which did take Kuwait's oil off of the market for almost 2 years and limited Iraq's oil exports to this very day. That our sons and daughters came home with serious and lingering medical illnesses was apparently not too great a price to pay for increased oil profits. Following the victory in Iraq, yet another war appeared to be in the offering in the mineral rich regions of Bosnia. Yet again, a hoax was used to create support for military action. The photo (right) of Fikret Alic staring through a barbed wire fence, was used to "prove" the existence of modern day "Concentration Camps". As the headline of "Belsen 92" indicates, all possible associations with the Nazi horrors were made to sell the necessity of sending yet more American troops into someone else's nation. But when German Journalists went to Trnopolje, the site of the supposed Concentration Camp. to film a documentary, they discovered that the photo was a fake! The camp at Trnopolje was not a concentration camp but a refugee center. Nor was it surrounded by barbed wire. Careful examination of the original photo revealed that the photographer had shot the photo through a broken section of fence surrounding a tool shed. It was the photographer who was on the inside, shooting out at the refugees. Once again, Americans had been hoaxed into support of actions they might otherwise not have agreed with. While several American Presidents have willingly started wars for personal purposes, perhaps no President has ever carried it to the extreme that Bill Clinton has. Coincident with the expected public statement of Monica Lewinsky following her testimony, Bill Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on Sudan and Afghanistan, claiming to have had irrefutable proof that bogeyman extraordinaire (and former Afghani ally) Osama Bin Ladin was creating terrorist chemical weapons there. Examination of the photos of the debris revealed none of the expected structures one would find in a laboratory that handled lethal weapons-grade materials. Assurances from the CIA that they had a positive soil test for biological weapons fell on their face when it was revealed that there had been no open soil anywhere near the pre-bombed facility. Sudan requested that international observers come test the remains of the factory for any signs of the nerve gas Clinton had insisted was there. None was found. The Sudanese plant was a harmless aspirin factory, and the owner has sued for damages. Later examination of the site hit in Afghanistan revealed it to be a mosque. Click for larger image Meanwhile, back in Kosovo, stories about genocide and atrocities were flooding the media (in time to distract from the Sudanese embarrassments), just as lurid and sensational and as it turns out often just as fictional as most of William Randolph Hearst's stories of atrocities against the Cubans. Again, the government and the media were hoaxing Americans. The above photo was shown on all the American networks, claiming to be one of Slobodan Milosovic's Migs, shot down while attacking civilians. Closer examination (click on the photo) shows it to be stenciled in English! Like Germany under Chancellor Hitler, there have been events in our nation which strike fear into the hearts of the citizens, such as the New York World Trade Tower bombing, the OK City Federal Building, and the Olympic Park bomb (nicely timed to divert the media from witnesses to the TWA 800 shoot down). The media has been very quick to blame such events on "radicals", "subversives", "vast right wing conspiracies", and other "enemies in our midst", no different than the lies used by Cicero and Hitler. But on closer examination, such "domestic terrorist" events do not appear to be what they are made out to be. The FBI had an informant inside the World Trade Tower bombers, Emad Salam, who offered to sabotage the bomb. The FBI told him "no". The so-called "hot bed" of white separatism at Elohim City, occasional home to Tim McVeigh in the weeks prior to the OK City bombing, was founded and is being run by an FBI informant! Click for larger image And nobody has ever really explained what this second Ryder truck was doing in a secret camp half way from Elohim City to Oklahoma City two weeks before the bombing. So, here we are today. Like the Romans of Crassus' and Cicero's time, or the Germans under a newly elected Hitler, we are being warned that a dangerous enemy threatens us, implacable, invisible, omnipresent, and invulnerable as long as our government is hamstrung by that silly old Bill of Rights. Already there have appeared articles debating whether or not "extraordinary measures" (i.e. torture) are not fully justified under certain circumstances such as those we are purported to face. As was the case in Rome and Germany, the government continues to plead with the public for an expansion of its power and authority, to "deal with the crisis". However, as Casio watch timers are paraded before the cameras, to the stentorian tones of the talking heads' constant dire warnings, it is legitimate to question just how real the crises is, and how much is the result of political machinations by our own leaders. Are the terrorists really a threat, or just hired actors with bombs and Casio watches, paid for by Cicero and given brown shirts to wear by Hitler? Is terrorism inside the United States really from outside, or is it a stage managed production, designed to cause Americans to believe they have no choice but to surrender the Republic and accept the totalitarian rule of a new emperor, or a new Fuhrer? Once lost, the Romans never got their Republic back. Once lost, the Germans never got their Republic back. In both cases, the nation had to totally collapse before freedom was restored to the people. Remember that when Crassus tells you that Spartacus approaches. Remember that when thugs in the streets act in a manner clearly designed to provoke the public fear. Remember that when the Reichstag burns down. Remember that when the President lies to you about weapons of mass destruction.

DimeDR · Apr 17, 2008

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roscoe,

betty ong's famous call: "oh, i see land, i see tall buildings!"

hmm, maybe im naive but wouldnt a seasoned FA possibly mention, WE ARE COMING INTO MANHATTAN.

those TWIN TOWERS looked like a couple of big teeth sticking up thru the skyline and it was clear as bell.

roscoe, you are amazing, but i love you sourcing PM bc it has been discredited by everyone and even the veteran shills are smart enough to stay away from it ...

DimeDR · Apr 17, 2008

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geezus, roscoe

why cant you answer simple questions ... i asked you if those tapes were really OBL ... yes or no?

cell phone calls could not be made ...

do you know anything about babs olson faked calls on 77?

antigwb:

a couple of my pals actually went to NY court of records and looked for BEAMERS marriage cert. and could not find it, good work by you knowing that

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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Dime: Hang on ... he is Iming Hoffa for answers

DimeDR · Apr 17, 2008

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anti:

did you ever get that link with rowland morgan on guns and butter about flight 93? it's really good, i thought i linked it somewhere, if not i will, or id email it to you ...

roscoe · Apr 17, 2008

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dimebag,obl on tape- yes! cell phone calls could and were made from planes. barbara olson calls were totally real.by the way,chertoff from popular mechanics was no relation to michael chertoff.

scrimmage · Apr 17, 2008

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roscoe said:
dimebag,obl on tape- yes! cell phone calls could and were made from planes. barbara olson calls were totally real.by the way,chertoff from popular mechanics was no relation to michael chertoff.

Roscoe,
The receiver of cell phone calls from flight 77,Ted Olson, couldn't get his story straight ,as it changed over time,and as told couldn't have happened with the technology existing in 2001.
Ted Olson might easily have been influenced to craft a story,[he being,along with his victim wife conservative commentator Barbara Olson, a member of the ruling elite]which would hew closely to the rapidly evolving [at the time]"official" government narrative surrrounding the 9/11 events.
Advice,looking at 9/11 from a different perspective will allow you to see the forest instead of the trees.

Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials

by David Ray Griffin
Global Research, April 1, 2008
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David Ray Griffin

Ted Olson talks to the media

Late in the day on 9/11, CNN put out a story that began: ?Barbara Olson, a conservative commentator and attorney, alerted her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, that the plane she was on was being hijacked Tuesday morning[9/11/2001] Ted Olson told CNN.? According to this story, Olson reported that his wife had ?called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,? saying that ?all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.?<SUP>2</SUP>

Ted Olson?s report was very important. It provided the only evidence that American 77, which was said to have struck the Pentagon, had still been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM (there had been reports, after this disappearance, that an airliner had crashed on the Ohio-Kentucky border). Also, Barbara Olson had been a very well-known commentator on CNN. The report that she died in a plane that had been hijacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the nation?s support for the Bush administration?s ?war on terror.? Ted Olson?s report was important in still another way, being the sole source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters.<SUP>3</SUP>
However, although Ted Olson?s report of phone calls from his wife has been a central pillar of the official account of 9/11, this report has been completely undermined.

Olson?s Self-Contradictions
Olson began this process of undermining by means of self-contradictions. He first told CNN, as we have seen, that his wife had ?called him twice on a cell phone.? But he contradicted this claim on September 14, telling Hannity and Colmes that she had reached him by calling the Department of Justice collect. Therefore, she must have been using the ?airplane phone,? he surmised, because ?she somehow didn?t have access to her credit cards.?<SUP>4</SUP> However, this version of Olson?s story, besides contradicting his first version, was even self-contradictory, because a credit card is needed to activate a passenger-seat phone.

Later that same day, moreover, Olson told Larry King Live that the second call from his wife suddenly went dead because ?the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don?t work that well.?<SUP>5</SUP> After that return to his first version, he finally settled on the second version, saying that his wife had called collect and hence must have used ?the phone in the passengers? seats? because she did not have her purse.<SUP>6</SUP>

By finally settling on this story, Olson avoided a technological pitfall. Given the cell phone system employed in 2001, high-altitude cell phone calls from airliners were impossible, or at least virtually so (Olson?s statement that ?the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don?t work that well? was a considerable understatement). The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004.<SUP>7</SUP>
However, Olson?s second story, besides being self-contradictory, was contradicted by American Airlines.
American Airlines Contradicts Olson?s Second Version
A 9/11 researcher, knowing that AA Flight 77 was a Boeing 757, noticed that AA?s website indicated that its 757s do not have passenger-seat phones. After he wrote to ask if that had been the case on September 11, 2001, an AA customer service representative replied: ?That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.?<SUP>8</SUP>

In response to this revelation, defenders of the official story might reply that Ted Olson was evidently right the first time: she had used her cell phone. However, besides the fact that this scenario is rendered unlikely by the cell phone technology employed in 2001, it has also been contradicted by the FBI.

Olson?s Story Contradicted by the FBI
The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olson?s story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20<SUP>th</SUP> hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an ?unconnected call,? which (of course) lasted ?0 seconds.?<SUP>9</SUP> According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone.

Back on 9/11, the FBI itself had interviewed Olson. A report of that interview indicates that Olson told the FBI agents that his wife had called him twice from Flight 77.<SUP>10</SUP> And yet the FBI?s report on calls from Flight 77, presented in 2006, indicated that no such calls occurred.
This was an amazing development: The FBI is part of the Department of Justice, and yet its report undermined the well-publicized claim of the DOJ?s former solicitor general that he had received two calls from his wife on 9/11.

Olson?s Story Also Rejected by Pentagon Historians
Ted Olson?s story has also been quietly rejected by the historians who wrote Pentagon 9/11, a treatment of the Pentagon attack put out by the Department of Defense.<SUP>11</SUP>

According to Olson, his wife had said that ?all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers.?<SUP>12</SUP> This is an inherently implausible scenario. We are supposed to believe that 60-some people, including the two pilots, were held at bay by three or four men (one or two of the hijackers would have been in the cockpit) with knives and boxcutters. This scenario becomes even more absurd when we realize that the alleged hijackers were all small, unathletic men (the 9/11 Commission pointed out that even ?[t]he so-called muscle hijackers actually were not physically imposing, as the majority of them were between 5?5? and 5?7? in height and slender in build?<SUP>13</SUP>), and that the pilot, Charles ?Chic? Burlingame, was a weightlifter and a boxer, who was described as ?really tough? by one of his erstwhile opponents.<SUP>14</SUP> Also, the idea that Burlingame would have turned over the plane to hijackers was rejected by his brother, who said: ?I don't know what happened in that cockpit, but I'm sure that they would have had to incapacitate him or kill him because he would have done anything to prevent the kind of tragedy that befell that airplane.?<SUP>15</SUP>

The Pentagon historians, in any case, did not accept the Olson story, according to which Burlingame and his co-pilot did give up their plane and were in the back with the passengers and other crew members. They instead wrote that ?the attackers either incapacitated or murdered the two pilots.?<SUP>16</SUP>
Conclusion
This rejection of Ted Olson?s story by American Airlines, the Pentagon, and especially the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. Also, if Ted Olson?s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.<SUP>17</SUP> In either case, the official story about the calls from Barbara Olson was based on deception. And if that part of the official account of 9/11 was based on deception, should we not suspect that other parts were as well?

The fact that Ted Olson?s report has been contradicted by other defenders of the official story about 9/11 provides grounds for demanding a new investigation of 9/11. This internal contradiction is, moreover, only one of 25 such contradictions discussed in my most recent book, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press.
NOTES

<SUP>1</SUP> This essay is based on Chapter 8 (?Did Ted Olson Receive Calls from Barbara Olson??) of David Ray Griffin, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press (Northampton: Olive Branch, 2008).
<SUP>2</SUP> Tim O?Brien, ?Wife of Solicitor General Alerted Him of Hijacking from Plane,? CNN, September 11, 2001 (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/pentagon.olson).
<SUP>3</SUP> This was pointed out in The 9/11 Commission Report, 8.
<SUP>4</SUP> Hannity & Colmes, Fox News, September 14, 2001 (http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/foxnews091401.html).
<SUP>5</SUP> ?America?s New War: Recovering from Tragedy,? Larry King Live, CNN, September 14, 2001 (http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/14/lkl.00.html).
<SUP>6</SUP> In his ?Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture,? delivered November 16, 2001
(http://www.fed-soc.org/resources/id.63/default.asp),
Olson said that she ?somehow managed . . . to use a telephone in the airplane to call.? He laid out this version of his story more fully in an interview reported in Toby Harnden, ?She Asked Me How to Stop the Plane,? Daily Telegraph, March 5, 2002 (http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/telegraph030502.html).
<SUP>7</SUP> I discussed the technical difficulties of making cell phone calls from airliners in 2001 in Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory (Northampton: Olive Branch, 2007), 87-88, 292-97.

<SUP>8</SUP> See the submission of 17 February 2006 by ?the Paradroid? on the Politik Forum (http://forum.politik.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-133356-p-24.html). It is quoted in David Ray Griffin, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press (Northampton: Olive Branch, 2008), 75.
<SUP>9</SUP> United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui, Exhibit Number P200054 (http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200054.html). These documents can be more easily viewed in ?Detailed Account of Phone Calls from September 11<SUP>th</SUP> Flights?
(http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/calldetail.html).
<SUP>10</SUP> FBI, ?Interview with Theodore Olsen [sic],? ?9/11 Commission, FBI Source Documents, Chronological, September 11,? 2001Intelfiles.com, March 14, 2008,
(http://intelfiles.egoplex.com:80/2008/03/911-commission-fbi-source-documents.html).
<SUP>11</SUP> Alfred Goldberg et al., Pentagon 9/11 (Washington DC: Office of the Secretary of Defense, 2007).
<SUP>12</SUP> O?Brien, ?Wife of Solicitor General Alerted Him of Hijacking from Plane.?
<SUP>13</SUP> 9/11 Commission Staff Statement 16
(http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_16.pdf).
<SUP>14</SUP> Shoestring, ?The Flight 77 Murder Mystery: Who Really Killed Charles Burlingame?? Shoestring911, February 2, 2008 (http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2008/02/flight-77-murder-mystery-who-really.html).
<SUP>15</SUP> ?In Memoriam: Charles ?Chic? Burlingame, 1949-2001,? USS Saratoga Museum foundation (available at http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/analysis/chic_remembered.html).
<SUP>16</SUP> Alfred Goldberg et al., Pentagon 9/11 (Washington DC: Office of the Secretary of Defense, 2007), 12.
<SUP>17</SUP> Of these two possibilities, the idea that Ted Olson was duped should be seriously entertained only if there are records proving that the Department of Justice received two collect calls, ostensibly from Barbara Olson, that morning. Evidently no such records have been produced.

This article is based on Chapter 8 of Dr. Griffin's new book, "9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press," (Northampton: Olive Branch, 2008).

This book reframes the central events of 9/11 as a series of 25 internal contradictions. The only way that its readers will be able to continue to accept the official story is to accept mutually contradictory accounts.

"9/11 Contradictions" may have the best chance of any of DRG's books (or indeed any book) of opening up a new investigation into 9/11.

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roscoe · Apr 17, 2008

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scrimmage, are you saying barbara olson is alive somewhere?

KTBKRUSHER · Apr 17, 2008

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ANYONE AND I MEAN ANYONE THAT THINKS 9/11 WAS A HOAX IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON..

FOR EVERY STUDY YOU HAVE THAT SAYS THIS THERE IS ANOTHER THAT SAYS THAT..YOU GUYS TAKE THE CAKE
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Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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KTB: you watch FOX NEWS on a regular basis? ... Just basing it on your "indepth" commenatries that I've seen online at many boards from the Bush loyalists // problem is most of them are too busy jacking off to Hannity or Limbaugh to actually make Intelligent contributions and appears you are carrying on that tradition .... JUST BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN SO FAR FROM YOUR "COMMENTARIES" TONITE

DimeDR · Apr 17, 2008

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roscoe,

the fbi, in a court of law in the moussaoui trial, admitted the calls never happened, it was submitted in court ... is that enough for you ...

KTB,

im sure you knew that though ... just as im sure you have spent as much time as anti, myself, or agent have studying the facts and sourcing as many people as possible, not spin doctors ... why would people high up in the gov., in the military, in entertainment, in the alphabet agencies, in law enforcement, in the fire dept (DYK 118 FDNY testified they heard explosions going off before the wtcs collapsed--their statements are on file in ny times, take a couple hours and read them) anyhow, why would all these people risk their reps saying these things if they thought the official lies were easily swallowed ... you guys crack me up, everyone is a conspiracy nut bc they cant digest bold face lies, yet you guys wont even un-ostrich for 2 hours and look deeply into things ...

yanno, i didnt believe any of it for a long time either, THEN
i actually started looking ...

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

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KTB: Karl Rove is trying to reach you via phone .... ANY GOP FAITHFUL THAT IS WILLING TO SCREW A FARM ANIMAL WILL GO STRAIGHT TO HEAVEN AS BUSH HAS TALKED DIRECTLY TO GOD ... AND AMERICA KNOWS THAT BUSH IS "GODS MESSENGER"

DimeDR · Apr 17, 2008

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roscoe,

seriously, my man, are you 300/20 vision .. look at the tapes of OBL, is that the same man everytime ... checkmate

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

Looks like they had to stop this fight in the 3rd round ... Roscoe was down and bloodied

DimeDR · Apr 17, 2008

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anti,

heres a little tidbit i found not long ago, ted olson is now on his 4th wife, the male black widow, plus babs was involved in some anti hillary book i believe ... so hijinx in the soup is no stretch

Doc Mercer · Apr 17, 2008

Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

Really? ... Roscoe will be responding in an hr ... I think those IMs to Coulter on how to respond to ya are running slow tonite

DimeDR · Apr 17, 2008

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ANTI:

im glad you posted all the cell phone stuff from DRG on babs ... isnt it utterly amazing that in this country, the greatest in the world, supposedly, a bastion of truth and justice, not one damn reporter in the mainstream media, TV or print journalist, anchor, or anyone, will nut up and research this obvious lie, a huge huge huge hole in the official version, the boxcutter myth, the shifting stories by TED OLSON, etc etc ...

now, once again i ask anyone with an open mind, where does the conspiracy truly tether if the woodward and bernsteins turn tail and puss up? i mean, what did tricky dick do compared to this murdering scheme?????? gimme a friggin' major league break.

its the #1 evidence to anyone with a spark of individual thought to see that BY NOT ADDRESSING this topic proves there is a cabal amongst the rich and powerful in the gov. and obviously much higher than that ...

roscoe? ktb? comments

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