It seems to me that if the Delaware Supreme Court rules single game wagering is "skill" ( and I doubt they will); that opens a pandora's box for all states to legalize games of skill--if THE STATE SO WISHES. If picking one game is "skill", but picking 2 or 3 games is luck---something's burning!
The PASPA stands in the way of all but Delaware, Montana, Nevada and Oregon. I don?t think there is anyone claiming it?s not gambling, but rather is it the type of gambling that is mostly skill or mostly luck. So either way, the PASPA prevents both types of betting on sports in all but the grandfathered states.
And I think I agree with you about if picking one game is ?skill? then how in the hell does a parlay magically become mostly ?luck?. It doesn?t make sense to me but this isn?t the first time this exact same argument has been presented to the courts. In 1977, the NFL convinced Delaware?s Supreme Court of this very thing. As a result, a parlay lottery was implemented and it failed after about a year. 32 years later and it?s d?j? vu, all over again...
ive got a house there.
:cocktail
Don't think straight wagering will be allowed....I hope so, but it doesn't look like that is the case...
Beebo-we agree on the one game theory (luck-skill ). Has the US Supreme Court ever ruled on luck's defination when it comes to gambling. We can forget sports in this question for now. I know you're correct on the states which were grandfathered in for sports wagering. The central question becomes luck or skill in Delaware's case. But what about the defination as applied to non-sports wagering. (I'm still having a problem with "sports",) but will abandon that for now and key in on the luck-skill issue.
A good side-effect if this gets passed with straight-wagering, would be New Jersey would get jealous and be likely to pass similar legislation. There has been some complaining on this topic in at least one NJ newspaper.
yOU are out of the loop. 80% real sports books and will open the door for nj too.
:+textinb3:+textinb3on both counts...
New Jersey will get straight wagering before Delaware...
do yuo ever not kissssssssssss assssssssssssHow long will it take mofome and The Shrink to have their limits reduced in Delaware? "Uh oh - it's -them- again"!
nj has filec suit to get it already
What I really don't understand is : The Delaware Lawmakers! (Are they not lawyers that can understand the State law? They have to ask the Supreme Court --AFTER they pass a law --"how can we do this"?
Yeah, I hear you. I read an Associated Press article that said one of the major topics the judges were debating (besides the luck vs. skill issue), was if they should even offer any opinion at all. So they are arguing whether or not they should have an opinion. :doh1
I have already talked to someone in Delaware about their sportsbook/lottery management vacancy. Since I am apparently overqualified (I get that for some reason), I fully expect the "thank you for your consideration letter" shortly. I guess my promise of porn stars, overtaking Vegas, and legit media cred was too much for them. C'est la vie.
either way the NFL is gonna sue and try to prevent this from happening....
NFL: Delaware should brace for sports-betting lawsuit
By CRIS BARRISH ? Gannett News Service ? May 22, 2009
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"That's not luck. That's skill," Kenneth J. Nachbar, a Wilmington attorney representing the league, told the justices.
Arguments by America's most powerful sports league against Delaware's new sports betting law consumed only five minutes of the hour-long hearing, but constituted the NFL's latest bid to derail a plan that Gov. Jack Markell hopes to have operating at the state's three racetrack casinos by the first kickoff in September.
Nachbar told the justices the law might soon be challenged in a state or federal lawsuit.
"I think that it may not have such a long wait,'' Nachbar said.
After the hearing, the lawyer stopped short of saying the league was prepared to sue Delaware, but said "all the sports leagues have looked at this.''
The state constitution bans all forms of gambling except lotteries under state control for the purpose of raising money. Slot machines at the so-called "racinos" that have operated in Delaware since 1995 are considered "video lottery terminals." Markell asked the high court to issue an advisory opinion on the law that he signed last Friday after it overwhelmingly passed the General Assembly. An advisory opinion by the Supreme <NOBR style="FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_6_0>Court</NOBR> would guide the rulings of lower state courts in any lawsuit.
Chief Justice Myron T. Steele said members would issue a ruling "as quickly as possible." The court could make a determination of the law's constitutionality or decide not to pass judgment.
The NFL unsuccessfully sued the state in 1976 to stop what turned out to be a short-lived sports lottery plagued by betting lines some said were too high or low. The betting line, also known as the point spread, is the number of points by which one team is favored to win.
Thursday's highly anticipated hearing was crammed with more than three dozen lawyers, several reporters and a few members of the public.
Let's say for argument that Delaware gets straight betting...what will the limit be? Will they take totals or run lines? What rules will be in place?
Just way too many rules and regulations to take straight bets at all...looks like parlay cards to me with Atlantic City fighting to get real legalized gambling in the future...
When Oregon had sports gambling it was parlay style and it was not well received by the public. They had both NFL and the NBA (excluding the Trailblazers).
It began in 1989 and was discontinued in 2005.
When Oregon had sports gambling it was parlay style and it was not well received by the public. They had both NFL and the NBA (excluding the Trailblazers).
It began in 1989 and was discontinued in 2005.