Cascade Responds...

[ASKMEA?]

Originally Posted by pokerking

Lenny stole 6 figures in postup money from me and my friends. That's how he owes the money.

How, he break in to your house, mug ya at an ATM, what gives?

[pokerking]

Originally Posted by ASKMEA?

How, he break in to your house, mug ya at an ATM, what gives?

Lenny stole our account balances at Cascade. He even confirmed paying my friend around November 1 but it was all a big lie.

[ASKMEA?]

Good start then that your friend got paid. Be patient

[pokerking]

My friend never got paid. Lenny stiffed him for about 29,000. He lied several times that he paid my friend but he never did.

[ASKMEA?]

Oh I thought you said he got paid, my bad

[Bucky]

PokerKing - are you telling me that you and your friends are Post up Players? The matter is that simple from your side of it? You and your friends posted up - won over 6 figures and could not get a withdrawal? How many people are you talking about that are not getting paid in your circle of friends?

How long has this been going on and are there any other variables? Man, do whatever you can to communicate with Shrink and Lenny - I don't understand why you need mediation in a simple case of won the money and want to get paid. What is your story for your side of it on why you have been refused payment?

[pokerking]

We were losers overall over a period of about 3 months. Finally when we had a good balance Lenny stole all the money.

[Cobbler]

When was the last time you made a bet with Cascade PK?

[Monte]

Originally Posted by detroitdennis

MONTE, I BELIEVE eddie had just one stiff book.. i believe he sold the first one to victor chandler and had open a second one which he had stiffed everyone... EDDIE had no reason to stiff. Eddie is a very rich person there in antigua..

From what I know his family has money. And why did he stiff anyone?

[greivin]

sorry for my late arrival fellas-

i didnt work yesterday, so i am behind
but i will catch all up very shortly

[greivin]

ok

i have read all the posts since i left sat nite

shrink knows the pk story. so does pk. he guaranteed players in here on a commish deal, they stiffed, he is responsible. end of story. everything after that is bs. there were no "friends", just account #'s and passwords, with all the action coming from his ip address.

beenthere- call the office, ask for richard, he will straighten out your problem at once.

[THE SHRINK]

greivin,

FYI...

http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsb...ook-85944.html

Running out will be back later...

[greivin]

ok

i have read all the posts since i left sat nite
let me start by saying the boss is out of the office until tues afternoon, currently tending to business in panama.

shrink knows the pk story. so does pk. he guaranteed players in here on a commish deal, they stiffed, he is responsible. end of story. everything after that is bs. there were no "friends", just account #'s and passwords, with all the action coming from his ip address.

beenthere- call the office, ask for richard, he will straighten out your problem at once.

stuckinvegas- if you have an account at cascade, call the boss tues afternoon for the status of your check payout

sharpgambler- i called you out before to call the office so the boss can answer your questions in person. he chooses to go this route because the topics u are choosing to make public, he would rather not out of respect to other parties involved. we will not drag other people's name into public forums that do not deserve it. please respect these wishes and simply call the office. trust me, he is anxious to answer your questions, but not in a public forum. is this asking too much? or is there some reason u dont want to call ?

bp- the boss told me you promised to send someone by yesterday to clear up you debt. we are still waiting. please let us know when and how you would like to take care of your obligation. by the way, we did not make this a public issue, you did. u can call me or threaten me anyway you want, we would just like the $

[slash]

Originally Posted by greivin

bucky-
your comment about paying out something, even if it is small, to everyone has been taken under heavy consideration. lenny has acknowledged this, but has yet to find a method to do this. as you know, payout methods are few and far between right now, and the fear around here is that a number of payouts, albeit small, may ruin the processor. after reading your comments, however, we will definitely explore ways to get this done.

Anyone who takes this guy serious after this post??? I certainly don't.

So greivin, since you claim this is a problem with processors, Cascade must have the money available for players. How come not a single book wants to do book to book transfers from Cascade then?

And no, I am not going to call Lenny, and no, I thankfully don't have a single dollar at this no-pay book.

[pioneer]

Originally Posted by greivin

ok

i have read all the posts since i left sat nite

shrink knows the pk story. so does pk. he guaranteed players in here on a commish deal, they stiffed, he is responsible. end of story. everything after that is bs. there were no "friends", just account #'s and passwords, with all the action coming from his ip address.

greivin,
I don't understand...you said, "they stiffed", so why aren't "they" responsible? And how can some player stiff you when they have to send post-up money to you before they bet? As far as I'm concerned, if you're dumb enough to let gamblers bet on credit, you deserve to be stiffed. I would no sooner give anyone in this forum any credit than I would leave my house or car unlocked with the keys enclosed!

[rainbow]

Originally Posted by pioneer

greivin,
I don't understand...you said, "they stiffed", so why aren't "they" responsible? And how can some player stiff you when they have to send post-up money to you before they bet? As far as I'm concerned, if you're dumb enough to let gamblers bet on credit, you deserve to be stiffed. I would no sooner give anyone in this forum any credit than I would leave my house or car unlocked with the keys enclosed!

EVIDENTLY, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND, I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BET ME ON CREDIT 365 DAYS A YEAR, AND PAY ON TIME, MAYBE THE PEOPLE YOU FOOL AROUND WITH ARE BROKES, BUT DON'T THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ALOT OF HONORABLE PEOPLE OUT THERE, THAT PAY LIKE CLOCK WORK...

[Bucky]

Well, OK - thanks Greivin - the commission thing is what I originally thought the problem must be. Those kind of things where an agent's loss commissions are up pretty good and then account # wins knock them out and there are no loss commissions payable anymore but the player wants the credit for the loss commission locked in forever. Sounds like you are saying this activity came from one computer only. Or if 2 account #'s are up and they want paid and 5 are down and won't pay until the 2 that are up get paid, blah,blah.

Pokerking for this kind of money you should have been down there in person to go over these figures and understand them or to illustrate your figures and show your point a long time ago. Some of these things you just cannot do long distance. But, you still can - get it done - I mean you have to be shut down and your agent days finished without a soloution, right???? Pretty soon your picture will be on the net just like that stiff Ryan Hill - you don't want that!!!

[pioneer]

Originally Posted by rainbow

EVIDENTLY, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND, I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BET ME ON CREDIT 365 DAYS A YEAR, AND PAY ON TIME, MAYBE THE PEOPLE YOU FOOL AROUND WITH ARE BROKES, BUT DON'T THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ALOT OF HONORABLE PEOPLE OUT THERE, THAT PAY LIKE CLOCK WORK...

Right, I just fell off the turnip truck....but even so, I'm not dumb enough to extend credit to gamblers.

And what difference does it make if there are a lot of honorable people out there, who pay like clockwork, when you have been stiffed by dishonorable people?

[rainbow]

Originally Posted by pioneer

Right, I just fell off the turnip truck....but even so, I'm not dumb enough to extend credit to gamblers.

And what difference does it make if there are a lot of honorable people out there, who pay like clockwork, when you have been stiffed by dishonorable people?

THAT'S WHERE KNOWING THE INDUSTRY COMES IN, MEANING KNOWING WHO YOU ARE GIVING CREDIT TO, I KNOW PEOPLE I WISH THEY OWED ME 6 OR 7 FIGURES, IF YOU DONT KNOW THE PLAYERS YOU ARE DEALING WITH, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG BUSINESS...

[greivin]

slash- you are so sure that no book will to a transfer w/ cascade, but admittedly dont have any $ at cascade. have you called all the books and inquired if they will go a transfer w/ us ? i would love to see your response to this.
im curious, why so much interest if you have no $ w/ cascade? all the clients with real $ are at least glad they can pick up the phone and get real answers. they choose not to bring their questions to the internet, but instead are calling to get real answers. but the likes of you, janus, and sharp gambler, none of which are owed any $ i mite add, definitely have another agenda.

pioneer- thanks for your comments. believe it or not, most of bookmaking has and is done on credit. like visa, without credit, most of the books would have no business if it were not for credit. in hindsite, we would surely do things differently. for that we accept full responsibility, which is why we say with 100% confidence that all accounts will be paid in full WHETHER THE STIFFS MEET THEIR OBLIGATION TO CASCADE OR NOT.

bucky- you are partially correct. an agent makes an arrangement w/ the house, agreeing to send players to the house in return for a commission, either a % of losses, or a % of volume. in a credit arrangement, the agent guarantees the $ to the house, and settles w/ the players on his own. in this case, the agent sent in the players, stood to make a comm, guaranteed the $ to the house, and simply didnt pay.

[Breaker]

Greivin, a friend of mine who has a Casscade account and is also waiting for money used to live in Costa Rica and still has a lot of good friends there.
Would it be possible for one of them to get checks for both of us over there in person?

[Bucky]

Thanks Greivin! I think we are getting to the bottom of this. You have to admit there has been a big difference to what you have said and what PokerKing has said. But, for me - this forum has got this information out in the open. Each party has had the chance to have their say. That is fair - I can live with these reasons that I have learned from this discussion.

I guess I have thought about this for a long time. When disputes come up the player presents a biased view and very few times do the other posters get to hear the sportsbook side of it. That really doesn't help the industry as others read a one-sided account of the events which may not be totally true and then players carry on with incorrect information.

[greivin]

breaker-

call the boss 2morrow with the details

[greivin]

bucky-

no problem. shrink has heard both sides and knows what is going on, which is why he is waiting for pk. im sure u understand why the boss waited so long to post. unless pk pays, there is really nothing in it when cascade wins. that is why the boss offered to put his $ up long ago and wanted pk to do the same, which he of course declined. that is why mediation took so long

[slash]

Originally Posted by greivin

slash- you are so sure that no book will to a transfer w/ cascade, but admittedly dont have any $ at cascade. have you called all the books and inquired if they will go a transfer w/ us ? i would love to see your response to this.
im curious, why so much interest if you have no $ w/ cascade? all the clients with real $ are at least glad they can pick up the phone and get real answers. they choose not to bring their questions to the internet, but instead are calling to get real answers. but the likes of you, janus, and sharp gambler, none of which are owed any $ i mite add, definitely have another agenda.

Ok, if you can find just one of the top books that accepts transfers FROM Cascade (as you probably noticed, I said FROM and not TO), I would be very surprised. Of course this also requires that Cascade is willing to do the transfer to book x... But please tell me just one top book that accepts transfers FROM Cascade.

Like I have said before, if calling out shit books is the same as having an agenda, I have an agenda. If Cascade ends up paying their customers, it would be fantastic. The chances of that happening seems very small.

[greivin]

slash-

lets do this so as not to drag in others that have no biz in this public forum
call the boss 2morrow and he will do a transfer w/ one of the books with you on the phone.
then you can come in here and tell everyone u were wrong.
fair enough ?
slash, you know cascade is far from a shitbook, and i would not be surprised if you knew the boss personally, which im guessing is why you are reluctant to call. you know the boss will do the right thing.

[slash]

Ok, you can't mention just one single top book that accepts transfer from Cascade? Beautiful.

And this certainly has "biz in this public forum". I think many anxious players would like to know to which book they can transfer their Cascade balances.

[greivin]

if there are, they will call ask about a transfer. they surely dont need you to do it for them in a public forum.
you challenged cascade, and i gave you a solution on how to get your answer.
why the fear of the calling ?
there are things called respect and privacy, 2 things very important in this business we have chosen to involve ourselves in.
the boss simply chooses not to involve his peers publicly in private disputes. you, on the other hand, have something else on your mind, i just havent put my finger on it yet.
how about if we have the shrink listen in on the transfer? will that satisfy u ?

[pokerking]

Originally Posted by greivin

sorry for my late arrival fellas-

i didnt work yesterday, so i am behind
but i will catch all up very shortly

You're lying greiving. The accounts were postup and they sent in several hundred thousand over a period of 3 months. Lenny just stole the money. I can post the account history if you'd like.

[THE SHRINK]

pokerking,

I have been trying to reach you...

Can you IM me please?

Thanks,
Ken

[slash]

Originally Posted by greivin

if there are, they will call ask about a transfer. they surely dont need you to do it for them in a public forum.
you challenged cascade, and i gave you a solution on how to get your answer.
why the fear of the calling ?
there are things called respect and privacy, 2 things very important in this business we have chosen to involve ourselves in.
the boss simply chooses not to involve his peers publicly in private disputes. you, on the other hand, have something else on your mind, i just havent put my finger on it yet.
how about if we have the shrink listen in on the transfer? will that satisfy u ?

What the hell kind of bs is this?? Simply mention just one single book that accepts transfer from Cascade and cut all the crap. You can just write "Pinnacle" or "CRIS". That's all it takes.

You respect privacy, but Cascade calls out clipjoint and pk in this thread? Makes sense...

Please let me know just what I have on my mind, as soon as you find out...

[pokerking]

Originally Posted by THE SHRINK

pokerking,

I have been trying to reach you...

Can you IM me please?

Thanks,
Ken

You're not online. I've been online all morning.

[dirty]

He has shown being online Most of the day for me....Shrink that is

[THE SHRINK]

Originally Posted by pokerking

You're not online. I've been online all morning.

I am online...

If you can' t get a hold of me online, my email is

shrink@eog.com

[greivin]

slash-

i am done with you. you serve no purpose here. u asked a question and i gave you 2 solutions. instead, you continue to want to make this a public issue when the boss prefers not to.
and all this from a guy who doesnt even have any $ at stake.
when someone shows up with real $ at stake, they are more than welcome to call and inquire about their $. until then, i suggest you get in a private chat room w/ janus and sharp gambler.

pk-shrink has been available all day. why would you not so much as send the man an email. we all know u are avoiding shrink, and we all know why.

3 questions we have for you

1-did u make an arrangement w/ cascade in which you guaranteed players in return for a commission ?
2-did some of these players that you guaranteed indeed not pay?
3-how and when would u like to start living up to your word(guarantee) and start making the balances good?