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08-23-05, 10:25 AM
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| Another Day, Another Dollar  Join Date: Jul 19, 2005 Location: A real precarious world.....
Posts: 53,296
|  Changes on the Horizon? Lately, one hot topic is whether or not questionable sports books should be allowed to advertise on gambling information web sites. More of the article by THE SHRINK can be found here... http://www.eog.com/news/index.aspx?id=345 |
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08-23-05, 11:55 AM
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| Voice of Reason Join Date: Aug 21, 2005
Posts: 1,408
|  Surely this topic will raise its head again. Especially when it might come to some of the grey area books. Obviously some are no brainers. But others will fall into a grey area. What about books that pay players but might miss a few advertising payments, does no payment of players weight mnore than not paying an extorted/overpriced ad fee? What about books that make "questionable" judgements against players who were taking shots at them, but get raked over the coals by all the bonus whores and agenda driven guys? Or a book that has been bought or sold recently and is under new ownership that one can work both ways, make the place better or worse BTW? Or a book that knowingly pays very wel and quickly, up to a point, and after a certain threshold the players will be ki cked out? Does a book that only caters to "square" action included as well? I am not taking the books side here, not taking any side really, but it is difficult to paint a line a say definitively that it won't get crossed. It isn't always black and white, and taking only "good" books is in the eye of the beholder I guess. IMO if they pay ME, they are good. Might be a selfish attitude, might even be a naive one. But I do what I do, I have the same routine. I don't take shots(at least not in my opinion) I don't look for bonuses (don't think I have ever gotten one that I recall), I don't past post, even when I see them CONSTANTLY (at many so called "good" books as well), I use the places as they were intended... a BUSINESS that puts numbers up for me to bet into. If they change those numbers then I have the option of betting that number as well, same shop or not. REAL bookmakers understand this simple idea. ANY line can be bet by ANYONE at the time it is posted. I don't get into the political or personal aspects of this. Unfortunately some know just enough to make it interesting. Half truths,and misinformation constantly be given on BOTH sides. But that is what happens when debates take place in public forums. Both sides are trying to make their arguments, and eventually both sides lie to make their respective side stronger. The best thing these side could do is post the information only, not editorailize or embellish (like me) just post the issue and let people decide. There will be differing opinions surely, and again, that is where the grey areas come in. You can't please everyone all the time. That is why this issue will always come back, because eventually a book will come in that people will have an issue with I am sure. It is ineviteable. What I would [not] like to really see is all these new books coming in and having everyone and their brother saying the guy is solid, "I have personally visited them" and they are run very professionally, "they have deep pockets" yada yada yada... Some of the books that have been promoted in the past were absolute jokes the "owners"/principles coming into the forums and pimping themselves endlessly only to fold up months later. So it has to maybe go a little further than actually advertising. Letting them promote themselves at all should be eliminated as well. Obviously there are new books, but quite honestly people can get EVERYTHING they need now from books with a history, and a "proven" track record. So while it is OK for new books to come around they can't offer anything that a "better" , "more reputeable" book can offer them. For the most part only guys that really look to the new places are guys looking to bonus whore and get something for nothing. Since they have probably used every other book in existance and have run out of bonuses to get, so they have to go to the new books and hope they get something. As usual I went on a little bit, but this topic deserves a little more than 3-4 paragraphs of lip service that anyone can claim, but few can adhere to. |
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08-24-05, 09:53 AM
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| EOG FOUNDER  Join Date: Jul 19, 2005
Posts: 21,826
| wantitall4moi, What an excellent post... In the past, I was GUILTY of accepting ad revenue from some sports books that I KNEW were marginal. That is NOT going to happen here and if you ONLY knew a few of the sports books who wanted to be included on this site, but were turned down, I think even YOU would be pleasantly surprised... The way to avoid selling out is not to do so, period... I would put the 15 sports books here on EOG up against any other gambling portal in this industry and I am very proud of this...bounce bounce bounce THE SHRINK |
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08-24-05, 11:11 AM
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| InsideGuy:"BetUS has never stiffed"  Join Date: Aug 20, 2005
Posts: 343
| What Ken said is true. When known thieves come waving money around you have to say NO. And please dont insult the public by showing us pictures of your new Lamborghini or new house...the house that TEJ, NAB Bill, Mark Dell, Anthony V or Joey Ruzzo built. Mods also pump these thieves and somehow rationalize that its OK. Its not OK. The filth is now your filth and every dollar you touch has a part of it that was stolen from a player. you are no better than thieves you and your boss promote. Rationalize all you want but working for thieves defines you and hopefully only those thieve supporting sites will hire you. We have come a long, long way in eliminating scams and thieves in this industry. But until recently the bad guys were making a come back. One book was even paying a few posters to hammer the message - Yea they pay slow BUT at least they pay. nono We need to work together to isolate these sites that promote and partner with thieves. |
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08-24-05, 11:40 AM
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| EOG FOUNDER Join Date: Jul 19, 2005
Posts: 21,826
| John, EOG is committed to helping fight the "bad guys" too. It would be nice if other sports books besides Pinnacle and Cascade were to disassociate themselves from gambling sites who were promoting known thieves... While I do know for a fact that one of them did not renew on a prominent site because of this, I don't know if BOTH pulled out for the same reason, but I will find out... The MAIN point though is that ALL of US should work together to be the BEST we can possibly be, and it already looks like a few other web sites and possibly some sports books are joining in... It's all good and I suspect things will get better... Now let's set a conference for some out there who want to join in to MEET and discuss some guidelines on improving what has been started... Does the First weekend in January after New Years look good, as I was thinking of having an EOG welcoming party then as well? THE SHRINK |
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08-24-05, 11:53 AM
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| Voice of Reason Join Date: Aug 21, 2005
Posts: 1,408
| I am glad to hear it, although I am hoping that I know enough to know where to go and where to stay away from. But as I alluded to in another post. You are a lot like the new books that open up with questionable reputations. You need to prove that your past indiscretions are truly in the past, and not simply lip service to try and win over more adoring fans. There is a lot in the past, known and unknown that isn't all flowers and butterflies. You know that better than anyone I am sure. So until a few tests are passed some judgement has to be reserved for sure. But you can take the example of some of these books you have aspired to have here. Some of them as well have overcome some questionable and agenda driven problems, and they came out OK. THAT is why they are where they are, they passed a few tests and had the test of time. Take that example and I am sure if you can hold the line it might prove some people wrong, and maybe get them to changetheir views. |
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08-24-05, 12:09 PM
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| InsideGuy:"BetUS has never stiffed" Join Date: Aug 20, 2005
Posts: 343
| WantItALL Your message is Show me that you are diferent now. It takes time. You need faith over greed to have this business model of only taking the best sportsbooks. You also need patience. After this site establishes a track record for only sending players to the best book they will own the category. When players sense you dont give a crap about them, that you would send them to a scam and laugh at them while you are gassing up your tej paid for Lamborghinni, they will not join a book on your site. Its almost text book "How to make a great business fail because of greed". dog1 |
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08-24-05, 02:01 PM
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| EOG Senior Member  Join Date: Aug 19, 2005 Location: Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 452
| I really disagree with any advertising plan that excludes all but a few top rated books. If you push push push the top books and they get to a position of virtual monopoly you run the risk of losing the competitive ness between books. Competition is good, keeps everyone honest. With out competition in the offshore industry youd see |
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08-24-05, 09:51 PM
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| I GRIN WHEN I WIN  Join Date: Aug 22, 2005
Posts: 2,934
| Shrink Pinnacle Pulled Out Because They Didnt Like The New Forum Cascade Sportsbook Pulled Out Because They Are Broke And Are Looking For Ways To Save Money Besides Stealing It From The Players.dont Tell Me You Are Really Thinking Of Adding Cascade Sportsbook To Your List After Reading The Facts About How They Robbed Me.cascade Sportsbook Should Never Be Allowed In A Major Forum For Breaking There Own Written Rules And Accepting A Wager 15 Minutes After An Event Started.they Are Guilty End Of Story. But Shrink I Know You Will Accept Lenny And Cascade Sportsbook Back In Your Forum Because Like I Said Earlier Its All About The Hush Money.lets Just Knock Off The Bullsh-t You Will Take Any Book In This Forum As Long As They Pay Up. All Wagers Will Be Accepted Up Until The Posted Starting Time Of The Event.and You Want These Crooks As A Sportsbook On Your New Site. |
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