The crooks at BetUS are at it again. They have not processed payouts for over a week

[Chuck Sims]

Here is what these crooks are doing to a player that wants his money. BetUS blames FedEx for losing his money. Do not promote crooks by sending them your money.

BetUs (SBR rating D) casino player waiting for $30,000 since 12/8/06. BetUs customer service states that the first payment of $10,000 was lost by FedEx and subsequent withdrawal requests must be approved by top management who hasn’t been present for over two weeks. The bettor’s last five online payout request have been canceled.

Request Date Amount Method Status
Dec 18, 2006 01:20 PM $5,000.00 FedEx Cancelled (As per management)
Dec 16, 2006 01:14 PM $4,975.00 FedEx Cancelled (As per management)
Dec 15, 2006 09:52 PM $5,000.00 FedEx Cancelled (As per management)
Dec 14, 2006 05:51 AM $4,975.00 FedEx Cancelled (As per management)
Dec 11, 2006 03:42 AM $5,000.00 FedEx Cancelled (As per management)

[dirty]

Where were the godsends of John, Chicky, and JC when WWTS was Flat out Robbing people for Well over 30 days with no warning....Oh I forgot....they endorsed that book ..... Can't have that happening.... Stealing is stealing doens't matter who it is from...if it were not for BODOG noone knows what would have happened...those poor people were Held in Limbo for Way Too Long and not one word from our 3 Knights in shining Armour.... If you are going to be a players advocate then God damn be one..... don't pick and choose which ones you bash and which ones you dont'......How any of you other than JC has credibility after that one with any posters is beyond me..... JC is the only one that came on here and responded to my questions about it...He had the Balls too....Noone else did ... Chicky dodged the questions at least 5 times.... he can't do anything but jump on the same 2-3 books and yell the sky is falling... bash people who have good experiences at questionable books and it is all just for his Ego... He is not a Players advocate.... He is a ego maniac that Likes to dogpile Royal, BoS, and Betus... Sure these books did wrong and they deserve their reputation....but there are more that have as well and never get a word said about them.... Quite funny to hear that WWTS got a pass because of Past Rep.... I almost pissed myself in Laughter.... so it is OK to Steal Money and Not tell the players they were shutting down to the Americans for Well over 45 Days ....the first few weeks no Buyer in site.... No news to tell the American PLayers...But it is fine because they had a great Rep in the Past... That gives them the Liscense to Steal..... Now Betus... holds payouts for 10 days over the Holidays and JC goes Apeshit...John Right behind him...then their Betus and Royal dogpiling on POS Chick sims...who loves To Call women ****s when they don't agree with him jumps in....Man.... what a team here....


IMO...JC is the Only one of these 3 that has the right to say a damn word...and He is biased and has an agenda....But he has earned it..... for what He has done for this Industry, for what he is still doing for this Industry, and The way WSEX is ran and earned it Reputation..... This is in No way a slam on JC...but when he posts something the dredges of the dogpilers come out of the woodwork...Not to be found until JC posts...And it is Not JCs Fault these guys don't have the Balls to stand on their own....John has taken the same money he bashes others for...Sure he gives bad ratings...but we allow people to speak about our sponsors... John is not better than Ken or anyone else that doesn't censor speach....

JC we may not always agree....But you always have my respect... as you should have everyones...


enough of the Soapbox.... But people who think Chicky is out for the player need to wake up.... He is a ego maniac who loves to start trouble, Call women ****s and cuss them out, and bash people who don't agree with Him....


Guys do your research before you deposit....Shrink has a top 10 list and you can't go wrong there...

[Mr. Smith]

bonus whores should stay away and people who play with 5 figure balances there should stick to shallower waters

[rainbow]

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALOT DIRTY WAS SAYING, AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, IF JC WOULD HAVE NOT STARTED THIS THREAD NO PILING ON BY JOHN OR MR SIMS, IT´S ALMOST AS IF THEY TAKE JC´S WORD WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THE FACTS, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, IT´S VERY, VERY, VERY STRANGE THEY NEVER EVER START A THREAD, JC STARTS IT AND THEY PILE ON, IF JC WOULD NEVER START A THREAD WE WOULD NEVER HARDLY HEAR FROM JOHN OR MR SIMS, WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY MIND, NO ONE CAN CONVINCE ME DIFFERENT ON THAT, JOHN DOES HAVE GOOD RATINGS WITH MOST BOOKS, BUT WE ALL BEEN KNOWN TO MAKE A MISTAKE OR TWO IN THIS BUSINES, JC USUALLY HAS GOOD INFO WHENEVER HE POST SOMETHING, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE PILING ON COMES WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS, IF ITS NOT TRUE, WHY THEY NEVER START THREADS? I HOPE THEY BOTH COME IN AND ENLIGHTEN ME WHY THEY DONT START THREADS...

[Dawoofdaddy]

Originally Posted by Chuck Sims

Here is what these crooks are doing to a player that wants his money. BetUS blames FedEx for losing his money. Do not promote crooks by sending them your money.

Thanks for keeping it real.

BetUS = shit book.

[cincy_]

If you guys are going to get into a pissing match in public, the MOST important thing for the audience is credibility. There are reasons we trust people and there are reasons that we do NOT trust people.

TOW posted this ONE WEEK BEOFRE RCS WENT BELLY UP. This was not a post in a thread - this was a NEW THREAD opened by TOW to endorse his Top 5 book.

TOW
No gossip, just news



Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Caribbean
Posts: 749

Now, TOW if you could post something like this about JC, that would maybe help enlighten people like me who trust Jay Cohen. I am not "challenging" you - just asking for something substantial if its available. It would beat "this happened in Antigua" and "ken was there, SBR was there" and all that.

[Chuck Sims]

Originally Posted by WOOF

Thanks for keeping it real.

BetUS = shit book.

Hi WOOF. We need more posters to speak up. Real posters, not sleaze that are in bed with these crooks. With JC, SBR, and myself being lone wolves, with hardly anyone else speaking out, it gives the dirtbags the courage to side with BetUS and challenge us as if we are bashing a safe and enjoyable sportsbook.

I said to stay away from BetOnSports. Now I am saying to stay away from BetUS.

[cincy_]

Originally Posted by Chuck Sims

Hi WOOF. We need more posters to speak up. Real posters, not sleaze that are in bed with these crooks. With JC, SBR, and myself being lone wolves, with hardly anyone else speaking out, it gives the dirtbags the courage to side with BetUS and challenge us as if we are bashing a safe and enjoyable sportsbook.

I said to stay away from BetOnSports. Now I am saying to stay away from BetUS.

Like I said, people seek CREDIBILITY. Once you lose it by touting a shit book, you lose it forever. Once Tej loses it by stiffing and stealing, he loses it forever. Once BetUS loses it by pulling the shit they have, they lose it forever.

Many, many times I got into debates on these forum with people regarding BOS. Once BOS stiffed them, we were placed in a no-win situation. It wouldn't be nice to say "serves you right" but they actually did get what they deserved.

Two months before the debacle, I tried to get a friend to stop playing at BOS ... but he went on a rambling monolgue about how we just are just HATERS. When I saw him after BOS folded, I couldn't say anything about it because I knew he must have lost a shitload of cash.

[Ball Rash]

Cincy good luck with that......LOL

that guy is a wannabe insider

[JC]

They need "top management" to authorize an $1,100 payment. They are either real tight on cash, or just as worse, are trying to slow down withdrawals by design. Choose your poison.


01.05.2007 (03:32 PM CST)
Fourth BetUs (SBR rating D) player complains of stalled withdrawal after the book’s unannounced 12 day "holiday" withdrawal freeze. The no-payout period spanned from December 22nd to January 2nd. SBR has confirmed that some players who waited have been paid after 1/2/07. Those forced to continue to wait have been told that their withdrawal "has not yet been authorized by management."
Player: I have been waiting for only 1100 dollars payout since December 28, 2006. I have been told by BETUS that they are still waiting for top management to authorize the payout. I was told that it will be paid out on January 3rd early in the morning. Then, I was told it will be mailed out Fedex on the fourth. Today, I was told it should be taken care of today or most likely by next week. This is so scary. Is there anything that I can do or is BETUS just a scam. I hope all other people realize how horrible BETUS is.

[Chuck Sims]

cinci, thats too bad you were unable to save your friend from BetOnSports. If posters only knew their post-up funds are not even secured, in most cases already spent at places like BetUS.

[Dawoofdaddy]

Chuck, alot of guys like myself that read these boards for book info appreciate what guys like you and JC post here and elsewhere.

I cannot understand why guys that read these boards still play at shit books like betus and bos before they went tits up.

A good bonus and soft lines mean nothing when certain books are going to stiff and otherwise wiggle out of paying what they owe.

[wits1]

My friend XXXX XXXXXXX which I reffered to Betus/sharkcasino (311XXX) has heard every complaint and I have tried contacting every person and no payouts since 12-12-06. He deposited nearly 70k in betus and almost the same in sharkcasino over a 3 month period. The manager at betus (Steve Fink ext. 6610) suggested he try their other casino sharkcasino.com. XXXX finally wins 50k and asks for a payout 12-8-06 and recieved 10k so far. Steve and Ron at ext. 3515 transfered 10k from sharkcasino to play sports at betus and they ( payout dept.)tried to claim it was bonus money. This was REAL MONEY transfered from shark. Ron supposedly is no longer there? Since that time nothing but empty promises, lost Fedex checks, we entered your bank transfer incorrectly, owner is not around, have not seen owner in over 3 weeks, owner has to approve, All had to relocate to Canada because it was too hot with the feds, we did not get our paychecks either,it will be in your neteller in a day or two, we are not paying anyone from 12-22-06 till 1-3-07, without Kevin King's and Dean Ward's and Debbie Lopez'z and Robert Eddy's signature we can not approve it, The owner is currently running from the feds, and the best one is its boxing day in Canada and the banks are closed.
Please do not go through this with these crooks as I have many MANY hours logged trying to get paid and they are running out of excuses.

[SBR_John]

Defending a Shit Book Guide
Rule #46
When you are simply unable to defend a shit book because possibly they stole another players money, they are in slow pay mode, stop making payouts while accepting deposits, ect., always attack those posters trying to expose said shit book.

[dirty]

Welcome aboard Wits...contact general@eog.com and he will do what he can....

[wits1]

Dirty,
Thanks for the support and I hope the General is able to contact the owner (s) in regards to this as they have not been able to be reached since 12-10-06 and looks like they are all in Canada till they decide what to do with most peoples money.

[dirty]

We have been in contact with management since then for a fact as I was on the phone with them as well...General will do all he can... we know of people on this site that have been paid since the first of the year... have faith and Keep as much as you can off the forums and work behind the scenes and EOG will do what it can to help you. PLease email him every detail of the situation and he will get on on it Pronto

[Dell Dude]

In Bet US's defense, they did send me a free DVD of their swimsuit model shoot.

[TOW]

cincy,

Thank you for your question.

You are a long time poster, unlike many others around here, therefore I will give you a reply that can enlighten you and newbies alike.

Lets begin with RichCoast. Yes, I did make that post based on direct and indirect experience. Back in those days RCS had set a payout performance screen on their site. They hadn't missed a beat and processed the last payout one hour before "initiating" the transfer of assets to an obscure operation, bookthebet.

It was December 27 2005 when this happened. I recall the date since I was spending my Christmas vacation with the family.

I then immediately returned to the office and brokered the transfer of all 143 RCS players to BetCRIS, which took place in the morning of December 31 2005.

Once again, based on direct and indirect payout experience the post was correct at the time it was made. Nor there was any signal that things would have gone in a much different way few days after.

Sportsbook rating and reporting is a road paved with mistakes. I've made my share, SBR has made his.

Example is Blue Marlin, a Costa Rica based operation SBR had rated B- and up for consideration for its recommended list 2 days before they tanked.

Or I could mention the other known one, the B+ Betpanam, SBR recommeded list 2 months after opening, still a C+ 4 weeks into slow pay on January 2004.

Now here comes an additional consideration, facts you are certainly aware of as a long time poster, but newbies may not know.

RCS - transfer of balances with no strings attached which I personally brokered with BetCRIS.

Blue Marlin - 42 of the 167 account balance holders bailed out in my capacity of managing director of Royal.

Betpanam - 43 of the 78 remaining players paid cash (76% of their account balance) I got paid after a year long fight with the Panamanian government.

I could also add the 412 account holders of Gamblers Avenue, also bailed out (no match deposit required, 5x rollover) in my capacity of managing director of royal.

You may also add other bailout options I brokered on behalf of players: the 29 bailouts of Betonstars, 87 of No Juice, 15 of Bet4aces, not to mention the over $28K my insurance program paid out to several players.

There's many more I lost count of.

You see cincy, you mention credibility. I add accountability. Given we're all humans we are all entitled to make mistakes, and everyone in this business has made its own share.

The difference is set by the few who remained accountable to their mistakes and the many who slipped away from the problems by fingerpointing at others.

Its a huge difference, IMHO.

Now back to Jay. In the early months of 2005 I was following the Alladin Gold case. I was in touch with Kaye McDonald back then. She "seemed" a decent person.

She promised me she would have expedited the legal procedings against Eddie Hadeed, the owner of AG.

Months went by and nothing had been done. Jay put me in touch with Mark Mendel, who also promised to look into the matter with the Antiguan government top officials. Another dead end.

One year later I was speaking to Jay on the phone. He agreed that Eddie Hadeed deserved to be behind bars and that getting him in a cell was not something too hard to achieve in normal circumstances.

To date Eddie Hadeed continues to enjoy impunity.

I would have nothing to say on Jay if he'd start three threads a week: one on Royal, one on BetUS and ONE on Antigua and its lack of action on Alladin Gold. The latter is missing. There is where my problem with Jay begins.

Jay is not dumb, he actually has access to info most don't. He could EASILY expose the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming and the Antiguan government for what they are.

His voice could have a greater impact than all the voices of all gambling portals combined. My problem with him is that he doesn't, he prefers to remain shamelessly silent albeit having FULL Knowledge of what wrong has been done and what and who could repair it.

In this respect his threads about betus and royal lose their initial candor. You can't discriminate who is a good crook and who is bad crook. A wannabe White Knight should call a crook a crook, regardless of convenience, agendas, interests or friendship.

And now lets analyze the BoS situation for a second. Tons of ink and gigabytes of cyberspace have been spent on the issue. However try to provide an answer to the following questions:

1) Which was the ONLY portal has provided BoS players instructions on how to file with the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming, licensing body of BoS?

2) Which was the ONLY portal has pushed Antigua to take action, albeit what they have done is window dressing more than anything else?

3) Which portal is currently assisting players who are filing against BoS?

There's a common answer to all three questions, and the answer is the "much despised" theonlinewire.

I don't expect sbr to lift a finger in this mess, he didn't with Betpanam, why should he now.

EOG and TheRX have been quietly supportive of the efforts, which is perfectly fine.

Which voice is missing then? The most influential one with Antigua. The one of Jay Cohen. That's my problem.

I hope this answers your question. BOL for 2007 to you.

[rainbow]

Originally Posted by TOW

cincy,

Thank you for your question.

You are a long time poster, unlike many others around here, therefore I will give you a reply that can enlighten you and newbies alike.

Lets begin with RichCoast. Yes, I did make that post based on direct and indirect experience. Back in those days RCS had set a payout performance screen on their site. They hadn't missed a beat and processed the last payout one hour before "initiating" the transfer of assets to an obscure operation, bookthebet.

It was December 27 2005 when this happened. I recall the date since I was spending my Christmas vacation with the family.

I then immediately returned to the office and brokered the transfer of all 143 RCS players to BetCRIS, which took place in the morning of December 31 2005.

Once again, based on direct and indirect payout experience the post was correct at the time it was made. Nor there was any signal that things would have gone in a much different way few days after.

Sportsbook rating and reporting is a road paved with mistakes. I've made my share, SBR has made his.

Example is Blue Marlin, a Costa Rica based operation SBR had rated B- and up for consideration for its recommended list 2 days before they tanked.

Or I could mention the other known one, the B+ Betpanam, SBR recommeded list 2 months after opening, still a C+ 4 weeks into slow pay on January 2004.

Now here comes an additional consideration, facts you are certainly aware of as a long time poster, but newbies may not know.

RCS - transfer of balances with no strings attached which I personally brokered with BetCRIS.

Blue Marlin - 42 of the 167 account balance holders bailed out in my capacity of managing director of Royal.

Betpanam - 43 of the 78 remaining players paid cash (76% of their account balance) I got paid after a year long fight with the Panamanian government.

I could also add the 412 account holders of Gamblers Avenue, also bailed out (no match deposit required, 5x rollover) in my capacity of managing director of royal.

You may also add other bailout options I brokered on behalf of players: the 29 bailouts of Betonstars, 87 of No Juice, 15 of Bet4aces, not to mention the over $28K my insurance program paid out to several players.

There's many more I lost count of.

You see cincy, you mention credibility. I add accountability. Given we're all humans we are all entitled to make mistakes, and everyone in this business has made its own share.

The difference is set by the few who remained accountable to their mistakes and the many who slipped away from the problems by fingerpointing at others.

Its a huge difference, IMHO.

Now back to Jay. In the early months of 2005 I was following the Alladin Gold case. I was in touch with Kaye McDonald back then. She "seemed" a decent person.

She promised me she would have expedited the legal procedings against Eddie Hadeed, the owner of AG.

Months went by and nothing had been done. Jay put me in touch with Mark Mendel, who also promised to look into the matter with the Antiguan government top officials. Another dead end.

One year later I was speaking to Jay on the phone. He agreed that Eddie Hadeed deserved to be behind bars and that getting him in a cell was not something too hard to achieve in normal circumstances.

To date Eddie Hadeed continues to enjoy impunity.

I would have nothing to say on Jay if he'd start three threads a week: one on Royal, one on BetUS and ONE on Antigua and its lack of action on Alladin Gold. The latter is missing. There is where my problem with Jay begins.

Jay is not dumb, he actually has access to info most don't. He could EASILY expose the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming and the Antiguan government for what they are.

His voice could have a greater impact than all the voices of all gambling portals combined. My problem with him is that he doesn't, he prefers to remain shamelessly silent albeit having FULL Knowledge of what wrong has been done and what and who could repair it.

In this respect his threads about betus and royal lose their initial candor. You can't discriminate who is a good crook and who is bad crook. A wannabe White Knight should call a crook a crook, regardless of convenience, agendas, interests or friendship.

And now lets analyze the BoS situation for a second. Tons of ink and gigabytes of cyberspace have been spent on the issue. However try to provide an answer to the following questions:

1) Which was the ONLY portal has provided BoS players instructions on how to file with the Antigua Directorate of Offshore Gaming, licensing body of BoS?

2) Which was the ONLY portal has pushed Antigua to take action, albeit what they have done is window dressing more than anything else?

3) Which portal is currently assisting players who are filing against BoS?

There's a common answer to all three questions, and the answer is the "much despised" theonlinewire.

I don't expect sbr to lift a finger in this mess, he didn't with Betpanam, why should he now.

EOG and TheRX have been quietly supportive of the efforts, which is perfectly fine.

Which voice is missing then? The most influential one with Antigua. The one of Jay Cohen. That's my problem.

I hope this answers your question. BOL for 2007 to you.

EXCELLENT POST...

[Jojo-Rex]

,

Thank you for your question.

You are a long time poster, unlike many others around here, therefore I will give you a reply that can enlighten you and newbies alike.



Does that mean if we are new to posting we are stupid?..I will take a "minute" and analyze the BOS situation too..

THOSE ROTTEN YELLOW TOOTHED BASTARDS NEED TO BE "TAKEN OUT"..FUCK THEM BASTARDS...

PS-IT`s NOT YOUR FAULT..LET IT GO..-Jojo

[The Devil]

Originally Posted by rainbow

THE REASON I DONT RESPECT BETUS, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY OWE TWO PEOPLE I KNOW REAL WELL AND THEY HAVE BEEN OWEING IT FOR QUITE SOMETIME, BUT AS FAR AS A BOOK GETTING SHORT OF MONEY, I SEEN A MANY IN MY LIFE THAT GOT SHORT AND SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE DONBEST, I WILL NOT MENTION WHO THE BOOKS ARE, THAT´S ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS,
SOME BAD BOOKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TURN IT AROUND FOR THE BEST, I DONT THINK JC KNOWS THAT, BUT ITS ALL TRUE I´VE SEEN BOOKS GO COMPLETLY BROKE AND THEM SAME BOOKS HAVE AS GOOD AS NAME IN THE WHOLE INDUSTRY, TRUST ME IT DOES HAPPEN, JC YOU WOULD BE SURPRIZED THAT SOME OF THE BOOKS ON THE DONBEST SCREEN HAS BEEN BROKE AND REBOUNDED, I JUST CAN´T NAME THEM, BUT ITS THE TRUTH...

VERY, VERY TRUE.........AND IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN TOMORROW.......

[Jojo-Rex]

PSS-TOW....I DONT CARE THAT YOUR SITE BANNERED THEM..AND RANKED THEM @ THE TOP..NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..SAW THIS COMING..IF THEY DID I`d LIKE TO BORROW THEIR CRYSTAL BALL SO I CAN SEE THAT CINCI, IND AND DALLAS WILL WIN TODAY..I GOT NOTHING BUT GREAT SERVICE FROM BOS, MVP, ROCK, JAG, BETMILL and ROCK ISL UNTIL DC GOT ARRESTED..WHAT PISSES ME OFF WORSE ARE THE MANY LIES THAT FOLLOWED..NINETY DAYS MY ASS

[JC]

Dirty,

Thanks for the compliment. But... what is my agenda? People love to throw that term out around here. You say I have an agenda, what is it?

I would like to see a clean, well regulated industry filled with books that don't jerk people around, lie, and use deceptive marketing. There are dozens of books at the tops of all of tehse sites taht I have never said a word about. Why? Because most of them run honest businesses.

As to WWTS, I thought it was very wrong that they suspended payments. But it was an isolated incident, they were NOT TAKING DEPOSITS over that period, and Bodog had announced that they bought the place.

There would have been no point to scream about them everyday, and it was not necessary to warn people to stay away from them since they were not taking deposits.

In the BetUS and the Royal matters, you have books jerking people around on withdrawals that continue to solicit fresh deposits. There's a differenty sense of urgency. And through it all, you have General pimping them every opportunity he gets.

But, I'll end my post like I started, what's my agenda?