Some Post Up Bookmakers Are Destined To Fail...

[Viejo Dinosaur]

Good points, but the problem is that you are not dealing with the government...You are dealing with a rogue sportsbook with no rules or regulations that could be enforced in a court of law...that's why when selecting a book to deposit with, check all the rules before you sign up with a great free play or a nice bonus...

And to contrary belief, a sportsbook is not a bank...

[Just a Man]

Originally Posted by Viejo Dinosaur

Good points, but the problem is that you are not dealing with the government...You are dealing with a rogue sportsbook with no rules or regulations that could be enforced in a court of law...that's why when selecting a book to deposit with, check all the rules before you sign up with a great free play or a nice bonus...

And to contrary belief, a sportsbook is not a bank...

VD, the government is looking for credit shops. Thats how they are nailing operations. Catch the smallfish, that gives up the bigfish.

[Pickandwin2]

3. As a book, you better beat the locals. These 20 and 30 cent lines are not the answer. You should have dime lines, no matter what the amount of the wager is. You will keep your small betters and your big betters. This will not hurt your bottom line. You will keep your customers, they will return.


Why should the Book give a $10 or $25 bettor a dime Line ?

sorry, but small players shouldn't get what Large players get.

and if you are a "Large" player, you're not playing at a Post up shop.

[Joe]

VD,

True, but that is the point of the independent insurance company.

In this manner the books have a financially vested interest in policing themselves.

Far from perfect, but a whole lot better than what currently exists.

[Just a Man]

Big players always get their perks behind the scenes.

10c lines is a "must" in offshore land.

Thats my opinion. Thats what makes me happy.

This is just my opinion. This is a great business model for someone to be #1.

[Just a Man]

Originally Posted by Joe

True, but that is the point of the independent insurance company.

In this manner the books have a financially vested interest in policing themselves.

Far from perfect, but a whole lot better than what currently exists.

Insurance companies Joe? The Sub Prime housing was insured. That was a disaster. Too many middle men. Too many hands in the pot. Too many scams, too many kickbacks. Watchdog security is the way to go.

[Viejo Dinosaur]

Originally Posted by Just a Man

Big players always get their perks behind the scenes.

10c lines is a "must" in offshore land.

Thats my opinion. Thats what makes me happy.

This is just my opinion. This is a great business model for someone to be #1.

Those 20 cent lines and extra juice on props pays a lot of salaries in offshore....if I was an everyday player and my maximum bet was around 100-300 bucks, I would be playing at -105 shops...

[Just a Man]

Originally Posted by Viejo Dinosaur

Those 20 cent lines and extra juice on props pays a lot of salaries in offshore....if I was an everyday player and my maximum bet was around 100-300 bucks, I would be playing at -105 shops...

and having a huge headache collecting.

Props always have the extra juice, I will never argue that.

Am I missing a joint that has -105, and pays lightning fast?

[ZZ CREAM]

Originally Posted by Pickandwin2

3. As a book, you better beat the locals. These 20 and 30 cent lines are not the answer. You should have dime lines, no matter what the amount of the wager is. You will keep your small betters and your big betters. This will not hurt your bottom line. You will keep your customers, they will return.


Why should the Book give a $10 or $25 bettor a dime Line ?

sorry, but small players shouldn't get what Large players get.

and if you are a "Large" player, you're not playing at a Post up shop.

It's not about small or large. You could give squares a "no-cents" line and they would not win in the long run. I would give wise-guys a twenty-cent line in every major sport including baseball. You lose nothing by not catering to wiseguys.

[Patrick McIrish]

Brilliant plan Ken. Not being facetious, very well set up. Before you go down to drum up advertising sales for the upcoming football season you start a thread expressing concern about whether or not the post up books can make it in today's climate. You go on to announce in the same thread you will be auditing books while down there and reporting back what you find. Am I suggesting correlation between advertising monies brought in and positive audits? Not necessarily, I'll leave it up to you to decide but either way it's a great marketing technique to get books to open their front doors and consider signing on here for football season. If not they must have something to hide eh?

Not being wise, well played Ken. Some think he just falls out of the boat and hits water, not true. He deserves all the props he gets for what he's done in the forum world. He's a master at getting done what he needs to get done. You have a vehicle like this forum why wouldn't you use it to your advantage? Yes I take ad money but on the side I'm the chief auditor for the offshore world, LOL. Anyway good luck with the auditing Ken, hope to see some good ratings when you return. Be nice, I come in peace.

[Patrick McIrish]

You seem so credible on 99% of the topics but your personal agenda has you missing the boat on WSEX Doug, this is just ridiculous:

Originally Posted by Doug

WSEX is now bottom of the barrel, like Oddsmaker, SBG global, BETUS, Sportsbook.com,etc.

[THE SHRINK]

Originally Posted by Patrick McIrish

Brilliant plan Ken. Not being facetious, very well set up. Before you go down to drum up advertising sales for the upcoming football season you start a thread expressing concern about whether or not the post up books can make it in today's climate. You go on to announce in the same thread you will be auditing books while down there and reporting back what you find. Am I suggesting correlation between advertising monies brought in and positive audits? Not necessarily, I'll leave it up to you to decide but either way it's a great marketing technique to get books to open their front doors and consider signing on here for football season. If not they must have something to hide eh?

Not being wise, well played Ken. Some think he just falls out of the boat and hits water, not true. He deserves all the props he gets for what he's done in the forum world. He's a master at getting done what he needs to get done. You have a vehicle like this forum why wouldn't you use it to your advantage? Yes I take ad money but on the side I'm the chief auditor for the offshore world, LOL. Anyway good luck with the auditing Ken, hope to see some good ratings when you return. Be nice, I come in peace.

You call me brilliant and come in peace?

Of course, I will be nice...

Happy 4th to you and your Family...

THE SHRINK

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Patrick McIrish

Brilliant plan Ken. Not being facetious, very well set up. Before you go down to drum up advertising sales for the upcoming football season you start a thread expressing concern about whether or not the post up books can make it in today's climate. You go on to announce in the same thread you will be auditing books while down there and reporting back what you find. Am I suggesting correlation between advertising monies brought in and positive audits? Not necessarily, I'll leave it up to you to decide but either way it's a great marketing technique to get books to open their front doors and consider signing on here for football season. If not they must have something to hide eh?

Not being wise, well played Ken. Some think he just falls out of the boat and hits water, not true. He deserves all the props he gets for what he's done in the forum world. He's a master at getting done what he needs to get done. You have a vehicle like this forum why wouldn't you use it to your advantage? Yes I take ad money but on the side I'm the chief auditor for the offshore world, LOL. Anyway good luck with the auditing Ken, hope to see some good ratings when you return. Be nice, I come in peace.

I agree, Pat. The audit results would mean little to nothing to me, it's not an impartial audit, IMO. Nor would it really likely be complete, IMO.

[Patrick McIrish]

Thanks Ken, Happy 4th to you and yours as well. Congrats on your sobriety, I know first-hand how hard it is for some of us to stay on that road. Props.


Happy 4th to you as well Doug.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Patrick McIrish

You seem so credible on 99% of the topics but your personal agenda has you missing the boat on WSEX Doug, this is just ridiculous:

No agenda against WSEX, Pat ! I used to like them. Now, I can't trust a book that can't find a way to pay players. In fact Matchbook is my main book, just wish they weren't tied to WSEX, at all !

WSEX offers nothing, anymore.

I'd like to see their volume/hold from June 2009 compared to June 2008. I believe they've lost a ton of business, with the "processor issues". A book has to find a way to pay, in reasonable time !

They can't really be anything more than a minor book ( anymore) while running Matchbook.

Bottom line is like this:

If a friend wanted to make a bet on something, like a one time bet... hot dog eating, or some game, and I didn't want to book it ( I'm not a bookie).... WSEX sure would not be where I'd refer them. I'd probably say Betjam or 5D, dependent on what they wanted.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Patrick McIrish

Thanks Ken, Happy 4th to you and yours as well. Congrats on your sobriety, I know first-hand how hard it is for some of us to stay on that road. Props.


Happy 4th to you as well Doug.

Muchas Gracias

[Patrick McIrish]

Fair enough Doug, certainly nothing wrong with BetJM or 5Dimes. I think safety wise the books you listed earlier though are not even in the same ballpark as WSEX. That said always read your posts, you're on a short list of veteran posters that both play regularly offshore and knows what he's talking about.

[Doug]

I blame the US Gov't more than anyone else. However, WSEX needs to come up with something better... like every other top book has managed to do.

[Patrick McIrish]

Point taken.

[acw]

Patrick McIrish,

If you were running a successful operation, would you allow the Shrink to have a look into how you are doing it? I mentioned this already 6 years ago.

[Viejo Dinosaur]

When the Shrink comes down to Costa Rica, the books will show him what they want to show him...

Nothing personal there Ken, but that's the way it will go down...it's like during NFL season and everyone else is asking how the books did during the week...answer from the books, "we won a peanut"....

Posters would be amazed at facilities such as BetPhoenix and CRIS and the number of employess they have with all the departments...but you would be surprised at some of the under the radar books that are doing extremely well and do not advertise...especially some of the pay for head shops...

[THE SHRINK]

VD,

I understand where you are coming from but this isn't my first rodeo either...

I often know where to look for the right answers which isn't always from the horse's mouth...

I also recognize that I can be fooled...

But when sports books offer to show me their banking records in an effort to be more transparent, what do I have to lose by taking them some of up on this?

Thanks for your feedback...

THE SHRINK

[Viejo Dinosaur]

You have nothing to lose and the effort is noble...you do know quite a few of the key individuals down here so it won't be a wasted trip...I, for one, will be looking foward to what you do find from their banking records...

And you know I was going to ask this question...will Betonus.com open their books to you?

[THE SHRINK]

Originally Posted by Viejo Dinosaur

You have nothing to lose and the effort is noble...you do know quite a few of the key individuals down here so it won't be a wasted trip...I, for one, will be looking foward to what you do find from their banking records...

And you know I was going to ask this question...will Betonus.com open their books to you?

I highly doubt it...

[ballwonder]

Originally Posted by Viejo Dinosaur

When the Shrink comes down to Costa Rica, the books will show him what they want to show him...

Nothing personal there Ken, but that's the way it will go down...it's like during NFL season and everyone else is asking how the books did during the week...answer from the books, "we won a peanut"....

Posters would be amazed at facilities such as BetPhoenix and CRIS and the number of employess they have with all the departments...but you would be surprised at some of the under the radar books that are doing extremely well and do not advertise...especially some of the pay for head shops...

Namely a place called betevodp that has two employees there that where around when there old place of employment went under.

[ZZ CREAM]

Originally Posted by Viejo Dinosaur

...especially some of the pay for head shops...

How much do you pay for head?

[THE SHRINK]

I believe the average price for those NOT in the know is about 15 dollars per head...

You can probably do better by shopping your package around particularly if it has a high volume of customers...

THE SHRINK

[ZZ CREAM]

Originally Posted by THE SHRINK

I believe the average price for those NOT in the know is about 15 dollars per head...

You can probably do better by shopping your package around particularly if it has a high volume of customers...

THE SHRINK

I would have to think that it is cheaper in Thailand!l

[betfirstclass]

Originally Posted by THE SHRINK

I believe the average price for those NOT in the know is about 15 dollars per head...

You can probably do better by shopping your package around particularly if it has a high volume of customers...

THE SHRINK

$15 if they play Via Internet


However, some charge as much as $35 for "Callers" . . . .


But SHrink is 100% correect if you have 100+++ active you can get much better pricing . . . .

[acw]

How is this going?
Will Matchbook and WSEX be visited?

[Just a Man]

I need to make some loot...there has to be a way.

[Pickandwin2]

Originally Posted by betfirstclass

$15 if they play Via Internet


However, some charge as much as $35 for "Callers" . . . .


But SHrink is 100% correect if you have 100+++ active you can get much better pricing . . . .

$35 for phone and net ?
thats like highway robbery

$25 tops, but if your package is good. $22-23

[RealDeal]

Originally Posted by Pickandwin2

$35 for phone and net ?
thats like highway robbery

$25 tops, but if your package is good. $22-23

Thats $35 for phone and $25 for internet. But yes, that is a rip off.

[betfirstclass]

Originally Posted by Pickandwin2

$35 for phone and net ?
thats like highway robbery

$25 tops, but if your package is good. $22-23

PICK WE CHG $12 NET if you have 100+++ ACTIVE



doesn't get much Better than That


$12 WEEK for guys blowing 30-K . . . .


Makes me wonder What the Hell I was "THINKING" at times

[acw]

Bump