definitive proof we never went to moon--try to defy me

[DimeDR]

plait + moon = Popular Mechanics + 9/11

[DimeDR]

where are the wussies to debate, not name call, just debate ... i see scrimmage isnt up to anything other than pasting plait garbage ... the rest just suck their thumbs and ask Bush when they can go to the bathroom

[DimeDR]

allee allee in free LMAO

[DimeDR]

look at the wusses at EOG ... cant even debate the moon, crushed scrimmage with his nonsense, the rest of you are just sheep without a bellcow LMAO

[KTBKRUSHER]

shame on all of us that have a life and dont spend 20 hours a day on the internet hoping someone will read what we typed and will care.

LOSER

[DimeDR]

hey ktb, glad you could stop in and debate ... proves you have no brain, just taunts and no research like the rest of the lame people the Mods here trade hand jobs with

[KTBKRUSHER]

i do not have the time nor the patience to debate with someone who it is clear does not even come close to grasping reality.
go research some more blogs and watch some film and make some more stuff up.
maybe you can tell us where the space station really is since it clearly is not in space.

[MAXIM]

'Dime a Dozen',
This is the 'political' section/forum of this site.
Take your nonsense to the 'looney tune' section/forum.
Get off your spaceship and take your medication, things will be alright.

[DimeDR]

there you go maxipads, always with the logic, never on the topic ... you are a wuss of first class order ... mull on this please???

you think we went great, did you watch or research anything?

what makes you think we went, the moon rocks which were forged here, or might it be the fact we could go thru the van allen belts w/o any ill affects ...or maybe its the highly evolved buggies that transported us while we had the flintstone technology ... maybe its the wind and shadows and wires that never contradict the laws of logic and science ... I mean the proof is so overpowering that russia and the USA were actually in space and the moon ... maybe its collins's space suit that had the identical wrinkles and puckers on two diff. flights ... maybe its the Naut with his gold visor up on the lunar surface for an hour which woulda have blinded him... maybe its fact the nauts could not have fit into the LM with their inflated suits .... maybe its fact somehow film was taken at times while the number of nauts does not add up, or that it could survive the heat and radiation ... or maybe its fact they blab on the vids talking about stagehands holding hoses off screen and many other inside jokes .... and how many times can the LR be seen on the moon without tire tracks leading to or fro

oh gosh, i dunno maybe its fact that when the nauts talked to nixon and Nasa live on transmissions there wasnt even more than a one second delay for the audio to travel 482,000 miles ... but when we get a feed here in the usa from middle east there is a 3 second delay to bounce off a satellite ...

id hate for you to actually debate these points, bc you cant and you are sheep dung in the worst way

[DimeDR]

still waiting for an intelligent poster to match wits with me, so far none has tried to debate this save scrimmage cutting and pasting shills

[DimeDR]

YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax : Apollo 14 See's a Budweiser Truck- Apollo 17 Astronaut says "Beer Tonight?"

classic: go and see how they edited this conversation here too ...

113:51:26 Shepard: Okay, you're right. Al is on the surface. And it's been a long way, but we're here. (Pause) Well, I can see the reason we have a tilt is because we landed on a slope. The landing gear struts appear to be about evenly depressed.

113:51:51 McCandless: Roger; out.

[At first, Al stands at the bottom of the ladder, turning once to look off to the west.]

113:51:52 Shepard: I'm moving around (but not away from the ladder), getting familiar with the surface. The surface on which the forward (west) footpad landed is extremely soft. As a matter of fact, it's in a small depression. The soil is so soft that it comes all the way to the top of the footpad; it even folded over the sides to some degree. The same is true of the plus-Y (north) strut.



anyone who thinks we went to moon is a LUNA(R)tic LMAO

[mr merlin]

So you disagree that the lunar soil was so soft that the footpad sunk a whole inch or two? Looks like you might have the smoking gun here.

[DimeDR]

genius, listen to what they say, you kill me, squirrel ... they went to the moon as likely as 9/11 done by boxcutters

[KTBKRUSHER]

ROFLMAO

YOU USE THE FACT HE SAID BEER TONIGHT AS YOUR REASONING THAT WE DIDN'T GO TO THE MOON....OMG.


NOPE, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FIGURE OF SPEECH OR WISHFUL THINKING.

[Vanshady]

Dime DR

Are you familar with William Cooper? and if so, what do you say to his claims about the US Government and the Moon?

[DimeDR]

good question, VS, listened to most of his babylon series and more ... he admitted later in his life he thinks he was duped by the navy in a disnfo plot on ufos ... as far as respecting the man, I did and do immensely, he predicted 9/11 and knew who did it etc and was killed shortly thereafter ... as far as whether i agree on everything anyone says or vice versa doesnt mean people dont have valid pts ... its like scrimmage, I respect his 9/11 POV, he knows the usa gov and bankers et al caused 9/11 .... he doesnt like that i know we didnt go to moon, but it doesnt matter ... sooner or later the truths to all these things will be known ... i grew up when oswald supposedly killed jfk, not many today would swallow that line some 45 years later ... the moon will be proven a hoax someday soon enough ... 9/11 will slowly be proven an inside job ... just bc the avg. usa dolt doesnt know about tonkin, or uss liberty, or operation ajax, or that they really happened in a nefarious fashion doesnt mean they didnt ...

im cool with the time i put into studying things, just wish others would take 1/100th the time before popping off

take care
dimedr

[DimeDR]

YouTube - Apollo Moon Hoax? Dr. David Groves Analysis

[DimeDR]

YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 17 : Astronaut Says Pre-Scripted One-Liners About Disney's Fake Dog Rock

[MAXIM]

What kind of medication did you say you were on?

[DimeDR]

There you go addressing rhe questions, thanks for showing what a ignorant coward you are all the time you post

[Vanshady]

Not really sure if you answered my question? i didn't ask if you respected the man or his 9/11 views, alien claims, mj12 documents, etc, etc...my questions was:

How do you rebuke his claims that only did we go to the moon, but that we have been there several times and have a joint moon based operated by the US and Russia...

[DimeDR]

he never has said that apollo went, and i think i answered those questions that you really never asked too specifically, i said he renounced them later saying the CIA gave him tainted info to make him a mouthpiece sucker ... he figured it out later in life and freely admitted it

look at john lear, he has some lunar views about ancient structures built there and all that ... personally, i havent studied it much and at moment dont believe any of it, just like ufo bunk

[DimeDR]

Thursday, December 4, 2008

Project Apollo: What Were They Thinking? Part III


People today are a lot smarter than the people of 40 years ago, and yet many cannot understand how we supposedly landed people on the moon in the late 60's with technology INFERIOR to what we have today, but cannot do the same with what we have now?

The reason is obvious... We did not go then, and we cannot go now! As I have said in the last two parts, the "moon landings" were nothing more than a propaganda stunt. The US Government after JFK made his commitment in 1961 to land on the moon and return a man safely to earth by the end of the decade did some serious investigation and analysis as to how to get there, and their findings were not good....JFK was not a man of science, and he was hoping that the top scientists in the US would come up with solutions to the overwhelming difficulties of space travel... The die had been cast.

The US was in a "Cold War" with the USSR. The USSR had already beaten the US into space by placing first Sputnik, and later the manned Vostok capsules into Low Earth Orbit. The US had just finished its first suborbital manned flight by Alan Sheppard, and the public demanded more to match, or to beat the Soviets in space. The US government wanted to save face, and to respond to the Soviet "threat" by giving the people a wonderous project to captivate the public psyche. Failure was NOT an option.

NASA was created in 1958 as a department of National Defense. The original concept was to investigate the possibilities of launching a nuclear weapon into space as a means of bombing the USSR from orbit. After 1961 the program became the platform of first getting a man into low earth orbit, and then developing the platform for getting a man into interstellar space and to the moon. There was much work to be done, and the prospects were not good...

It was as early as 1963 that most of the top scientists, and physicists came back with their reports to NASA... They said point blank that it could not be done. The major hurdles of both the rockets needed, and getting through the VA belts were the obstacles that could not be done in time to meet JFK's requirement. Few people are aware that a report was presented in 1963 showing clearly that there was no possibility of putting a man on the moon by the end of the decade, and that the US should combine its efforts with the USSR for the exploration of space. It was after this that the US government dismissed the report findings, and decided to covertly create the Apollo Simulation Project (ASP).

Few people at the time were aware of the ASP, and many employed by NASA were led to believe that they were working on the machines to put men on the moon with Project Apollo. It was through the combined efforts of both NASA, and the CIA, that only a select handful were aware of the truth behind Apollo, and they did their part in keeping it secret superbly indeed!

Billions of dollars were given to contractors such as Boeing, North American Aviation, and Grumman, for both the rockets, and the LEM development. These corporations basically took the money and gave the taxpayers nothing more than massive firecrackers, and props in return!

Boeing, for example, developed and built the massive Saturn 5 rockets used by Apollo to put men on the moon. There has been much speculation today as to the actual performance of this rocket, because after the Apollo-Soyuz flight of 1975, the Saturn 5 was suddenly scrapped, and production ceased. This rocket was superceded by the lesser launch vehicle used by the shuttle flights. Many argue that if the Saturn 5 was such a great rocket, then the US could have used it to launch the shuttles into orbit with a far greater payload. Others have come forward and said that the Saturn 5 performance was only a fraction of what was claimed, and that its launches were nothing more than a spectacle to create an illusion of fantastic power. One NASA rocket expert named Bill Wood came out publicly years ago and said that the Saturn 5 launches were nothing more than a massive firecracker, and a fantastic light show for television. He claimed that the rocket was underperforming, could barely get off the ground, and was only able to attain LEO. It did not have the capability as a platform to the moon as claimed. I witnessed all of the launches, and only now after examining them closely, have come to the same conclusion. Boeing ripped off the public purse, and giving America a prop in return!

Grumman Aerospace was a defense contractor hired by NASA to develop and build the LEM to be used by Apollo for the actual moon landings. They were given over 7 BILLION dollars for the LEM project, and NASA and the public were again ripped off in return!

It was through the work of another investigator named Jim Collier several years back that the LEM was exposed as a shoddy prop, and could not have possibly functioned on the moon as claimed. In his video work: "Was It Only A Paper Moon?", which was at one time available on YouTube, but only through purchase now, he measured and examined the LEM that was to be used in Apollo 18, but is now sitting in the Smithsonian, closely. What was found was shocking!
First, the spec sheet for the entire LEM project presented by Grumman was only several hundred pages long....Usually a several billion dollar project would constitute volumes of spec sheets, and engineering standards. Second, the LEM was discovered to have very little interior space for the Astro-NOTs to operate in. That space was the equivalent to less than two phone booths in area, and yet NASA claims that these men were able to move around, get in and out of their space suits in such cramp quarters! Astounding! Grumman had even overlooked how the astro-NOTs would even enter/exit the LEM by making the hatchways way too small! Third was the use of the rocket to land/launch them from the lunar surface... The noise should have been tremendous within the craft because the interior is pressurized, and yet we see in all Apollo flights these men calmly talking as the LEM lands with almost no background noise? Astounding indeed! And of course we have in each situation of a lunar landing the LEM sitting on the surface of the moon with no sign of a landing crater, and dust directly underneath the LEM rocket totally undisturbed by the effect of the rocket! Apollo-gists claim that the lander would not have had enough thrust to disturb the dirt, but the LEM would still weigh several tons in lunar gravity, and the rocket thrust would still have been about 2500 lbs/second. At 2500 lbs of thrust, the dirt underneath the LEM should have been blown meters away! NASA blew it big time after the initial landing of Apollo 11 showing no such effect, and therefore had to duplicate it for each subsequent "landing". Bottom line is Grumman built a shoddy prop that could not possibly land on the moon, and ripped off the taxpayers for BILLIONS!

There is so much to cover in this topic, and more will come..... People have to stop and think instead of blinding themselves to the selfish pride and glory generated by propaganda stunts such as Apollo. We were all fooled by this because America needed heroes at the time. We are a lot smarter, and more cynical now.

Investigate for yourselves these points that I have presented. There can be only one conclusion!

[roscoe]

scientists all over the world were given moon rocks to study. not one said that the rocks could have come from planet earth! please, enough already!

[ZZ CREAM]

I think that people are a whole lot stupider today than they were 40 years ago. Why would anyone believe otherwise?

[DimeDR]

duh, moon rocks, how much studying on those have you done, Roscoe? Nasa created them and/or they couldve been brought back my machine other than man .... how many hours have you spent looking into the moon hoax?

you guys are lazy, but its ok, its amusing

[roscoe]

if the u.s. didn't really set foot on the moon, then why did the russians not call us on it? a little common sense goes a long way!

[ZZ CREAM]

Originally Posted by roscoe

if the u.s. didn't really set foot on the moon, then why did the russians not call us on it? a little common sense goes a long way!

They were too busy smoking cigs, drinking vodka and banging really hot blondes.

[mr merlin]

Originally Posted by ZZ CREAM

They were too busy smoking cigs, drinking vodka and banging really hot blondes.

Banging babushka's?

[ZZ CREAM]

Originally Posted by mr merlin

Banging babushka's?

I love Russian women!!!!

[Vanshady]

Originally Posted by ZZ CREAM

I love Russian women!!!!

hell yea, can we get some pictures of some hot russian girls in here? Shit they can be wearing Moon boots for all i care...

[MAXIM]

This has got to be near the top of the list
as one of the stupidest threads on the internet EVER !
(with one of the stupidest posters starting it i might add)

[DimeDR]

you guys just make my pt. everytime, tyranny of the dull mind, booze and brodds and no intellect or curiosity ... who likes dancing with the stars and american idol, what zemmis

hey scrimmage, any pics or vids of the nauts lifting the LR?

LMFAO

[mr merlin]

Originally Posted by Vanshady

hell yea, can we get some pictures of some hot russian girls in here? Shit they can be wearing Moon boots for all i care...

Don't you understand? The moon boots are fake! They never made any real moon boots. Nude russian women wearing only fake moon boots would be a sign of how deep this conspiracy goes!

[DimeDR]

thanks merlin, some real deep counter debate ... proof again you guys havent studied anything

YouTube - MOON HOAX: top of backpack's triangular cloth pulled by wire freeze @ 35 secs