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Joe Contrarian · 07-02-09, 11:22 PM

Senate bill fines people refusing health coverage
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR – 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

In a revamped health care system envisioned by lawmakers, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face penalties.

Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would be set at least half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation.

In 2008, employer-provided coverage averaged $12,680 a year for a family plan, and $4,704 for individual coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's annual survey. Senate aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said the cost of the federal plan would be lower but declined to provide specifics.

The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines. The fines would be collected through the income tax system.

The new proposals were released as Congress neared the end of a weeklong July 4 break, with lawmakers expected to quickly take up health care legislation when they return to Washington. With deepening divisions along partisan and ideological lines, the complex legislation faces an uncertain future.

Obama wants a bill this year that would provide coverage to the nearly 50 million Americans who lack it and reduce medical costs.

In a statement, Obama welcomed the legislation, saying it "reflects many of the principles I've laid out, such as reforms that will prohibit insurance companies from refusing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and the concept of insurance exchanges where individuals can find affordable coverage if they lose their jobs, move or get sick."

The Senate Health Education, Labor and Pensions bill also calls for a government-run insurance option to compete with private plans as well as a $750-per-worker annual fee on larger companies that do not offer coverage to employees.

Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said in a letter to colleagues that their revised plan would cost dramatically less than an earlier, incomplete proposal, and help show the way toward coverage for 97 percent of all Americans.

In a conference call with reporters, Dodd said the revised bill had brought "historic reform of health care" closer. He said the bill's public option will bring coverage and benefit decisions driven "not by what generates the biggest profits, but by what works best for American families."

The two senators said the Congressional Budget Office put the cost of the proposal at $611.4 billion over 10 years, down from $1 trillion two weeks ago.

However, the total cost of legislation will rise considerably once provisions are added to subsidize health insurance for the poor through Medicaid.

Those additions, needed to ensure coverage for nearly all U.S. residents, are being handled by a separate panel, the Senate Finance Committee.

Bipartisan talks on the Finance panel aim to hold the overall price tag to $1 trillion.

The Health Committee could complete its portion of the bill as soon as next week, and the presence of a government health insurance option virtually assures a party-line vote.

In the Senate, the Finance Committee version of the bill is unlikely to include a government-run insurance option. Bipartisan negotiations are centered on a proposal for a nonprofit insurance cooperative as a competitor to private companies.

Three committees are collaborating in the House on legislation expected to come to a vote by the end of July. That measure is certain to include a government-run insurance option.

At their heart, all the bills would require insurance companies to sell coverage to any applicant, without charging higher premiums for pre-existing medical conditions. The poor and some middle-class families would qualify for government subsidies to help with the cost of coverage.

The government's costs would be covered by a combination of higher taxes and cuts in projected Medicare and Medicaid spending.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Joe Contrarian · 07-02-09, 11:26 PM

tank · 07-02-09, 11:35 PM

Yep , it is going to be just like the car insurance law.What is funny is that a lot of people voted for Obama because McCain's plan wanted to tax people that had insurance and Obama said it was a terrible idea but guess what Obama's plan has in it now?
Obama needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that all these flip flops piss off voters more than anything.

Joe Contrarian · 07-02-09, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tank

Yep , it is going to be just like the car insurance law.What is funny is that a lot of people voted for Obama because McCain's plan wanted to tax people that had insurance and Obama said it was a terrible idea but guess what Obama's plan has in it now?
Obama needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that all these flip flops piss off voters more than anything.

Very nice post.

Tank gets a lollipop:

MannyLovitto · 07-03-09, 12:11 AM

Mark, does the Canadian government tax you as a citizen if you don't carry a private health insurance plan?

Joe Contrarian · 07-03-09, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MannyLovitto

Mark, does the Canadian government tax you as a citizen if you don't carry a private health insurance plan?

Why do you take psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you write bad checks, mow lawns and peddle Amway junk to pay for those psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you talk to dead people, Steve?

Why are you a member of multiple cults, Steve?

Why are you a militant sodomite activist, Steve?

Why do you have a cyber mancrush on me, Steve?

MannyLovitto · 07-03-09, 12:36 AM

Mark, I can't tell you how relieved I am to see that in your voluminous files of photos you have a few with real women in them.

After seeing all your links and bookmarked pics of old guys sucking cock, I was starting to worry that your years of not getting any real hetero-action were having an adverse effect on ya.

Joe Contrarian · 07-03-09, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Heath

Mark, I can't tell you how relieved I am to see that in your voluminous files of photos you have a few with real women in them.

After seeing all your links and bookmarked pics of old guys sucking cock, I was starting to worry that your years of not getting any real hetero-action were having an adverse effect on ya.

Why do you take psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you write bad checks, mow lawns and peddle Amway junk to pay for those psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you talk to dead people, Steve?

Why are you a member of multiple cults, Steve?

Why are you a militant sodomite activist, Steve?

Why do you have a cyber mancrush on me, Steve?

Joe Contrarian · 07-03-09, 03:06 AM

MannyLovitto · 07-03-09, 11:59 AM

Mark, now you're back to posting pics of handsome men.

Stop it right now.

Your last handful of posts involved pedophiles and pictures of handsome men.

Get back on the heterosexual bandwagon, Mark. We've left room for ya....near the back.....under the maple leaf flag where all good Canadians are welcome.

Joe Contrarian · 07-03-09, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Heath

Mark, now you're back to posting pics of handsome men.

Stop it right now.

Your last handful of posts involved pedophiles and pictures of handsome men.

Get back on the heterosexual bandwagon, Mark. We've left room for ya....near the back.....under the maple leaf flag where all good Canadians are welcome.

Why do you take psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you write bad checks, mow lawns and peddle Amway junk to pay for those psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you talk to dead people, Steve?

Why are you a member of multiple cults, Steve?

Why are you a militant sodomite activist, Steve?

Why do you have a cyber mancrush on me, Steve?

MannyLovitto · 07-03-09, 01:02 PM

Someone is wasting valuable time. Time that could be better used to "change minds" among the seven people who read this sports handicapping web forum politics room.

Come on kid. Since you're too cowardly to post your hot political thoughts into venues bigger than a couple dozen people, you don't dare waste your time further.

Remember - the day you re-confess your Canadian citizenship is the day this all stops. Until then, the Nemesis lives.....hehehehehehehe

Joe Contrarian · 07-03-09, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MannyLovitto

Someone is wasting valuable time. Time that could be better used to "change minds" among the seven people who read this sports handicapping web forum politics room.

Come on kid. Since you're too cowardly to post your hot political thoughts into venues bigger than a couple dozen people, you don't dare waste your time further.

Remember - the day you re-confess your Canadian citizenship is the day this all stops. Until then, the Nemesis lives.....hehehehehehehe

Why do you take psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you write bad checks, mow lawns and peddle Amway junk to pay for those psychedelic drugs, Steve?

Why do you talk to dead people, Steve?

Why are you a member of multiple cults, Steve?

Why are you a militant sodomite activist, Steve?

Why do you have a cyber mancrush on me, Steve?

MannyLovitto · 07-03-09, 07:03 PM

How's it going on your day off from the ol' employer, Mark?

Is he aware of your obsession with gay men and what they do with other gay men?

07-02-09, 11:22 PM	#1
Joe Contrarian EOG RE-FOUNDING FATHER Join Date: May 23, 2006 Posts: 3,847	Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it! Senate bill fines people refusing health coverage By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR – 4 hours ago WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority. The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals. In a revamped health care system envisioned by lawmakers, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face penalties. Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would be set at least half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation. In 2008, employer-provided coverage averaged $12,680 a year for a family plan, and $4,704 for individual coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's annual survey. Senate aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said the cost of the federal plan would be lower but declined to provide specifics. The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines. The fines would be collected through the income tax system. The new proposals were released as Congress neared the end of a weeklong July 4 break, with lawmakers expected to quickly take up health care legislation when they return to Washington. With deepening divisions along partisan and ideological lines, the complex legislation faces an uncertain future. Obama wants a bill this year that would provide coverage to the nearly 50 million Americans who lack it and reduce medical costs. In a statement, Obama welcomed the legislation, saying it "reflects many of the principles I've laid out, such as reforms that will prohibit insurance companies from refusing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and the concept of insurance exchanges where individuals can find affordable coverage if they lose their jobs, move or get sick." The Senate Health Education, Labor and Pensions bill also calls for a government-run insurance option to compete with private plans as well as a $750-per-worker annual fee on larger companies that do not offer coverage to employees. Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said in a letter to colleagues that their revised plan would cost dramatically less than an earlier, incomplete proposal, and help show the way toward coverage for 97 percent of all Americans. In a conference call with reporters, Dodd said the revised bill had brought "historic reform of health care" closer. He said the bill's public option will bring coverage and benefit decisions driven "not by what generates the biggest profits, but by what works best for American families." The two senators said the Congressional Budget Office put the cost of the proposal at $611.4 billion over 10 years, down from $1 trillion two weeks ago. However, the total cost of legislation will rise considerably once provisions are added to subsidize health insurance for the poor through Medicaid. Those additions, needed to ensure coverage for nearly all U.S. residents, are being handled by a separate panel, the Senate Finance Committee. Bipartisan talks on the Finance panel aim to hold the overall price tag to $1 trillion. The Health Committee could complete its portion of the bill as soon as next week, and the presence of a government health insurance option virtually assures a party-line vote. In the Senate, the Finance Committee version of the bill is unlikely to include a government-run insurance option. Bipartisan negotiations are centered on a proposal for a nonprofit insurance cooperative as a competitor to private companies. Three committees are collaborating in the House on legislation expected to come to a vote by the end of July. That measure is certain to include a government-run insurance option. At their heart, all the bills would require insurance companies to sell coverage to any applicant, without charging higher premiums for pre-existing medical conditions. The poor and some middle-class families would qualify for government subsidies to help with the cost of coverage. The government's costs would be covered by a combination of higher taxes and cuts in projected Medicare and Medicaid spending. Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

07-02-09, 11:26 PM	#2
Joe Contrarian EOG RE-FOUNDING FATHER Join Date: May 23, 2006 Posts: 3,847	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it!

07-02-09, 11:35 PM	#3
tank EOG Dedicated Join Date: Oct 26, 2007 Location: illinois Posts: 2,393	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it! Yep , it is going to be just like the car insurance law.What is funny is that a lot of people voted for Obama because McCain's plan wanted to tax people that had insurance and Obama said it was a terrible idea but guess what Obama's plan has in it now? Obama needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that all these flip flops piss off voters more than anything.

07-03-09, 12:11 AM	#5
MannyLovitto Nemesis to Contrarian Viewpoints Join Date: Oct 05, 2008 Posts: 1,634	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it! Mark, does the Canadian government tax you as a citizen if you don't carry a private health insurance plan?

07-03-09, 12:36 AM	#7
MannyLovitto Nemesis to Contrarian Viewpoints Join Date: Oct 05, 2008 Posts: 1,634	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it! Mark, I can't tell you how relieved I am to see that in your voluminous files of photos you have a few with real women in them. After seeing all your links and bookmarked pics of old guys sucking cock, I was starting to worry that your years of not getting any real hetero-action were having an adverse effect on ya.

07-03-09, 03:06 AM	#9
Joe Contrarian EOG RE-FOUNDING FATHER Join Date: May 23, 2006 Posts: 3,847	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it!

07-03-09, 11:59 AM	#10
MannyLovitto Nemesis to Contrarian Viewpoints Join Date: Oct 05, 2008 Posts: 1,634	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it! Mark, now you're back to posting pics of handsome men. Stop it right now. Your last handful of posts involved pedophiles and pictures of handsome men. Get back on the heterosexual bandwagon, Mark. We've left room for ya....near the back.....under the maple leaf flag where all good Canadians are welcome.

07-03-09, 01:02 PM	#12
MannyLovitto Nemesis to Contrarian Viewpoints Join Date: Oct 05, 2008 Posts: 1,634	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it! Someone is wasting valuable time. Time that could be better used to "change minds" among the seven people who read this sports handicapping web forum politics room. Come on kid. Since you're too cowardly to post your hot political thoughts into venues bigger than a couple dozen people, you don't dare waste your time further. Remember - the day you re-confess your Canadian citizenship is the day this all stops. Until then, the Nemesis lives.....hehehehehehehe

07-03-09, 07:03 PM	#14
MannyLovitto Nemesis to Contrarian Viewpoints Join Date: Oct 05, 2008 Posts: 1,634	Re: Don't like 0bamacare? Don't want 0bamacare? You'll get fined $1000 a year for refusing it! How's it going on your day off from the ol' employer, Mark? Is he aware of your obsession with gay men and what they do with other gay men?

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