[milwaukeemike]

americanfreepress.net and prisonplanet.com have been saying for years that pat tillman's death was intentional. they have also been saying for years that jessica lynch's rescue was staged, just like almost every other photo op.
the evidence has proven these 2 things right.

New Evidence Clearly Indicates Pat Tillman Was Executed

[The General]

Army medical examiners concluded Tillman was shot three times in the head from just 10 yards away, no evidence of "friendly fire" damage at scene, Army attorneys congratulated each other on cover-up, Wesley Clark concludes "orders came from the very top" to murder pro-football star because he was about to become an anti-war political icon

[KTBKRUSHER]

unreal...just believe whatever you read...that is what libs do best..

[Willy Loman]

I don't think it's only Liberals that have that problem.

[4625]

It is pathetic and sad that the demonstrated lawlessness of the current regime leaves every possibility open. I put nothing past these people; their actions and track record show that they are capable of doing anything to protect their power. Though this sounds far-fetched, to think that the United States government would be involved in the killing of Pat Tillman, I cannot dismiss it out of hand. These people will stop at nothing.

[frankjohnson]

A good homicide detective always asks "Who benefited?" Pat Tillman would have been a huge political liabiliity for the oil boys in the '04 election. You can take the deaths of senators wellstone, carnahan, pat tillman, and we'll never be told the truth and if we dare to suggest that in the geo political history of the world assasinations are routine well we're all wacko.

[roscoe]

my god. the inmates are running the asylum!!

[milwaukeemike]

and my god!! i agree with every word of a frank post!!

[reynolds]

I remember watching Tillman's funeral and i kept thinking of the propaganda the Nazis spread at Rommel's funeral. I'm not comparing Rommel to Tillman or vice versa, but there funerals were the same thing. Propaganda spread by governments to support there own agendas based on lies to get the people to rally around the flag of patriotism.Our government copying the Nazis, we are all screwed!

[4625]

Originally Posted by reynolds

I remember watching Tillman's funeral and i kept thinking of the propaganda the Nazis spread at Rommel's funeral. I'm not comparing Rommel to Tillman or vice versa, but there funerals were the same thing. Propaganda spread by governments to support there own agendas based on lies to get the people to rally around the flag of patriotism.Our government copying the Nazis, we are all screwed!

Sharp post. Rommel was an honorable man-and spectacular solder-killed by his own authoritarian government. . . .

[Road Dawg]

It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country
from its government. -- Thomas Paine

[G. K. TEMUJIN]

Originally Posted by Road Dawg

It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country
from its government. -- Thomas Paine

What waste of a Good man & fine football player.

How many real American Patriots are left today ?

[Shortbus]

clearly no evidence to say absolutely that he wasn't executed must mean that he was!

[mr merlin]

Where is the evidence that tillman was somehow becoming anti-war? a more likely scenario is that he pissed one of his fellow soldiers off. Friendly fire- probably, murder- maybe, a grand conspiracy to "execute" tillman- sorry guys.

[dirty]

The Conspiracy Nuts will tell ya that His Brother is speaking for him.... Which is a Crock of shit. All His Bro can speak about is what He witnessed, and not to Pat's thoughts and feelings at the time of death

[diggin'4gold]

I THINK ITS A CLEAR CASE OF SUICIDE.

[Road Dawg]

Who Killed Pat Tillman? And why?
by Justin Raimondo
July 30, 2007

Pat Tillman was slated to become an iconic figure, the purest representation of the New Bushian Man: a football hero who had refused a lucrative contract in order to enlist in the military, who could have had a life of riches and ease but chose, instead, to go to Afghanistan to take up arms against our enemies. Most important of all, for propaganda purposes, he looked the part, almost as if he'd been crafted to embody the virtues of a life in service to the Empire. His enlistment provoked a personal letter from then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and his death provided the War Party with the opportunity to canonize him as a martyr to The Cause. An elaborate narrative was conjured by administration spinmeisters in the wake of his death, valorizing him as an example to be followed.

There was just one problem: Tillman wasn't a gung-ho warmonger. The San Francisco Chronicle reports:

"A side of Pat Tillman not widely known – a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought, and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty. He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books … to works of leftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author."

Apparently a meeting between Tillman and Chomsky was planned for after Pat's return to the U.S., but he never returned. Instead, he was killed – under circumstances that Pat's mother, Mary, has always characterized as "murky," at best, and that seem, to my eye, at least, suspicious at worst. And it isn't just me. Now the release of thousands of pages of documents by the Pentagon, as the result of a Freedom of Information Act request, raise even more questions about the circumstances surrounding Pat Tillman's death:

"Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

"'The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,' a doctor who examined Tillman's body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

"The doctors – whose names were blacked out – said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away."

This occurs after at least three investigations have supposedly been conducted, in which Tillman's death was attributed to "friendly fire," adding to the strong suspicion that there's something they're not telling us – something they have been trying desperately to cover up. "The Army used him," says his mother. "They knew right away he was killed by fratricide and [they] used him for their own purposes to promote the war, to get sympathy for the war, for five weeks."

Mary Tillman has long suggested that her son was deliberately murdered by his fellow soldiers. After initially dismissing her allegations as a case of grief-gone-over- the-edge, I've come to believe that there is something awfully fishy about this whole incident.

After all, why were Army attorneys sending "congratulatory e-mails" to each other for fending off criminal investigators on the case? The general who kept the details of Tillman's death from the Tillman family and the public claimed that he was having a problem with his memory, and that's why he just couldn't recall any important details of how Tillman's death was handled. Doctors who tried to reconcile the forensic evidence with the official account urged that a criminal investigation be pursued, but they were rebuffed. What's really suspicious, however, is that evidence of enemy fire at the scene was singularly lacking: no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any equipment damaged. According to numerous reports, there were no Taliban in the area.

Now, I'm not willing to go as far as this guy, but I have to wonder: what if that meeting with Chomsky had come off, as scheduled, and Tillman had arisen to become a vocal critic of the Iraq war – which he bitterly opposed – and had even become involved in politics? The War Party's own propagandistic creation would have turned against them – a form of "blowback " that would have had a devastating effect on the effort to shore up support for our crazed foreign policy. Especially if Tillman teamed up with Democratic Party operatives, either to run for office himself or to endorse candidates opposed to the war.

The backtracking, the misinformation, the deliberate withholding of documents that required a FOIA request in the first place, and now the demotion of a general involved in the "investigation" – all point to a cover-up of massive proportions. Tillman had been keeping a journal since the age of 16, and he took it with him to Afghanistan. Two days after his demise, the journal, along with most of his personal property, mysteriously vanished. Adding another layer of murk, the White House is claiming "executive privilege" in refusing to release documents dealing with Tillman's death. But who is being protected?

First they told us Tillman was killed by hostile fire fighting for Bush's crusade to export "democracy" to Afghanistan. Then they said he was felled by "friendly fire," i.e., by his own troops. These new revelations suggest – although they don't conclusively prove – that this fire may not have been all that friendly.

What I want to know is this: how could someone who was apparently killed from 10 yards away – and was hit by three bullets in very close proximity
on the forehead – be a victim of "friendly fire" from 90 yards away, as claimed?

All of which raises another, increasingly troubling question: Who killed Pat Tillman – and why?


http://antiwar. com/justin/ ?articleid= 11367

[frankjohnson]

Originally Posted by dirty

The Conspiracy Nuts will tell ya that His Brother is speaking for him.... Which is a Crock of shit. All His Bro can speak about is what He witnessed, and not to Pat's thoughts and feelings at the time of death

Talk about a "Crock of shit." Dirty has a pathological need to believe the propoganda handed down by the big business propoganda machine. Kevin Tillman, "His Bro" can tell us as have fellow soldiers in Tillman's platoon about the anti-war Pat Tillman who planned to campaign against Bush in the 04 elections. You think people would have been interested in what Tillman had to say? "His Bro" can tell us about Pat's journal which was replete with anti-war, anti-bush sentiment which the army confiscated and has been now described as "lost." A homicide detective worth his salt can tell us that when a death appears suspicious the first thing they ask is "who benefits?" Dirty is a pawn in their game saying all the right things so that anyone who challenges the idea that the United States is the only great power in the geo political history where conspiracies to murder for political gain don't occur will be seen as a "wacko." In the end they'll try to mariginalize Mary Tillman, Pat's mother and as gracious a lady as you've ever seen, as a Cindy Sheehan wack job. Shame on you!

[frankjohnson]

We'll likely never know the truth about tillman's death as after nearly fifty years jfk's murder remains to many an enigma. The stonewalling regarding pat tillman began with the false tale about how he died and the congress and the public are just now begining to realize this may be another "Lee Harvey Oswald, expert marksman (HA, HA, HA) acted alone that morning in Dallas Texas. Truth has no meaning in these discussion for some people. Their view of the world cannot accomodate the possilbity that facists have taken power in our country.

[mr merlin]

Why is it so hard for you "nuts" to accept that the reason they covered up Tillmans death is because its EMBARRASSING to accidently kill one of your own (high profile) soldiers and wouldnt be good for morale. Its a natural human reaction to try to cover up "fuck ups" if you think you can get away with it.... and for the record I dont think JFK's killing was a conspiracy either.

[frankjohnson]

Originally Posted by mr merlin

Why is it so hard for you "nuts" to accept that the reason they covered up Tillmans death is because its EMBARRASSING to accidently kill one of your own (high profile) soldiers and wouldnt be good for morale. Its a natural human reaction to try to cover up "fuck ups" if you think you can get away with it.... and for the record I dont think JFK's killing was a conspiracy either.

I don't need to ask you "why" you are happy being a pawn in big oil's game. I know the answer. You're are very naive merlin. You see the world from behind a safe wall of illusion.

[KTBKRUSHER]

notice it is always the conspiracy nutjobs that say those of us living in reality are living in a dream world where we are scared...

how bout you guys put the tin foil back on your heads and over your windows and then everything will be ok.

[frankjohnson]

Originally Posted by KTBKRUSHER

notice it is always the conspiracy nutjobs that say those of us living in reality are living in a dream world where we are scared...

how bout you guys put the tin foil back on your heads and over your windows and then everything will be ok.

You guys are so predicitable. You come forth like hyenas with your "nut case" response whenever your insipid world view is challenged. I for one don't subscribe to any "conspiracy" playbook. I try to keep an open mind about these things which is something guys like brusher and dirty find pathologically impossilbe. They can't accept any chink in their armour so they just say "wacko" at the suggestion that the u.s. isn't the first great superpower to not engage in political murder. Pathetic women they are.

[mr merlin]

Originally Posted by frankjohnson

I don't need to ask you "why" you are happy being a pawn in big oil's game. I know the answer. You're are very naive merlin. You see the world from behind a safe wall of illusion.

So "big oil" has something to do with the death of Pat Tillman huh? Last I checked Afganistan doesnt have any oil - or is it that anything that happens anywhere is the fault of the big "big oil" conspiracy?

[dirty]

Frank Johnson Replied in this Thread to Defend Tillman and the Cover up


ENUFF SAID

[KTBKRUSHER]

yeah,
except notice it is only the "wackos" that claim this stuff.
most normal Americans do not because we live in a place Frank dreams about called reality

[frankjohnson]

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