[DimeDR]

anti,

yeah youd love the old guy, super smart, easy to follow, check his taking aim vids--the series on the london bombings are awesome; also when jeff rense interviews him in 2 parter ....


roscoe,

all-ee all-ee in free .... tag base, proceed to pandora then iraq war vids

[DimeDR]

needs to be seen by OSS

[DimeDR]

OSS, no rebuttals? i will keep dredging this until you explain logically how 77 hit the pentagon when passing 200' too high according to gov. released info

[DimeDR]

SHEEPLE???

[DimeDR]

this is my fave thread, not one of these dolts will watch these vids that prove 77 and 93 did not fly the paths the neocons insist, and that the sheep's heroes reluctantly handed over this data saying these are the true flight facts and figures etc

ultimate p*ssies for not responding, not a peep out of any of them bc they know deep down this was an inside job of such proportions it makes them wet

[Anti GWB]

Flight 93 ....

another part of the Com Job

[Anti GWB]

YouTube - Pilots Discuss Difficulty of WTC Attacks

[DimeDR]

sheeple???

[Anti GWB]

Love it!!!

I mean what could they say that would sound intelligent??


Give it by the end of this summer and this will strictly be a "Liberal"
forum as Dirty the GOP Head Man has bolted .... Devil only shows
up to ramble like a drunken 90 yr old man ... Merlin has admitted time
and time again with questions on topics like PNAC he has no clue
what anyone is talking about and Archie Bunker truly is the ORIGINAL
MEATHEAD .... Munchkin Man is like throwing George Bush into a cage
with 6 "Insurgents" and Mr Right is living proof that anyone with a
Reagan Avatar smoked too much weed back in the 80s

Like termites ... bring in some potent poison and they die quickly and
the rest of the pack bolts !!!


partyparty

[DimeDR]

great post, anti, was laughing out loud ... they are truly clowns, give them a balloon and they will be happy

[Anti GWB]

Close along the lines of a balloon ...

thinking more along the lines of a Nancy Reagan blowup doll

[DimeDR]

SHEEPLE

REALLY NOW

where are you hiding

[DimeDR]

oh the dickens, there your puerile ass is

[Anti GWB]

Looks like it is down to .... welll .... Roscoe?

Seriously .... is there any Rightie on this board that actually contributes
anything of substance?

Seems Bunker and Merlin show up to act like kids and Nicolas shows up
pissed off at all Muslims after he has a big lovers fight with Abdullah

Devil is old enough to have dated Barbara Bush in High School and
Mr Right thinks Coulter is "hot" .....


This group is about as strong as the Polish army taking on Hitlers Panzers
in Sept of 39

[DimeDR]

what gets me is shams like merlin have the seeds to call me a chickenshit and laugh at 14 y-o girls being raped and murdered and yet when it comes to cold facts right under his nose to comment on, he wont say a word ... what else needs to be said about his spine?

[Anti GWB]

Thats the way the Right brain operates:

Laura Bush attacks Parkinsons Victim Michael J Fox
Beck calls Katrina Victims scum and laughs at those who lost homes in
the SD fires
Limbaugh defends American torture as "blowing off steam"
Hannity attacks folks who lost kids in Iraq
Coulter mocks and attacks 9-11 widows


AND ONE WONDERS WHY THE RIGHT'S "MESSAGE" IS NO LONGER SELLABLE?

[DimeDR]

GOOD stuff, anti ... just have to shake head ... i mean, i guess just looking at EOG names and avatars tells us enough ... devil, mr right, OJ ... umm, getting the pic you doofs?

[Anti GWB]

Nicolas avatar says it all ...

[DimeDR]

just heard another veteran military pilot, colonel nelson, say he could not duplicate the pentagon 77 flight on a simulator in 5 attempts.


sheep????

[roscoe]

it must be this col. tony nelson!

[Anti GWB]

"Have you been a good boy
Roscoe and continue to read
the Limbaugh Chronicles
daily and watch nothing
but FOX NEWS?"

[DimeDR]

roscoe,

what about real exp. military pilots not being able to duplicate the flights and saying 0% chance that hani or atta did?

stop with the silly pics and face some facts.

why dont you watch this gov. fact/sponsored video

[Anti GWB]

Dime:

I have a vision ..... hang on .... its foggy but clearing up ....

I see an EOG poster ..... starting to pick up the handle ... looks like
it starts with an R .... he is starting to type something in to respond
to your question

Its not clear yet ..... looks like it starts with the letter P ... its
now becoming very clear:


PROVE IT !!!

[DimeDR]

who fails to see that the righties on this site are all cowards and duck every single thread where they are spanked w/o chance of looking like losers and reverse patriots ... they back lies and cant admit the truth even when their heroes serve it up on platter such as this flight 77 film ... step up, sheeple, say something wise -- for once!

[roscoe]

i can't let your lunacy go unanswered!
Piloting skills

Claim

Hani Hanjour had poor piloting skills, and couldn't have executed a 270° (or 330°) turn that the aircraft made before its final approach in hitting the Pentagon.

Fact

The main concerns that flight instructors had about Hani were his poor English language skills and behavior problems.

• "He didn't do his homework, didn't attend on time and he would sort of come and go," said Duncan Hastie of Cockpit Resource Management.^[15]

• "He wasn't the greatest of students in terms of his attitude, but most of that was his lack of ability to communicate in English, and I don't speak Arabic." said one of his flight instructors in Arizona.^[5]

• Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix, "Hanjour's English was so poor that it took him five hours to complete a section of a mock pilot's oral exam that is supposed to last just a couple of hours."^[16]

Hani Hanjour did have a commercial pilots license, as well as instrument rating. Many concerns expressed about his ability had to do with his poor English language skills. The FAA requires commercial pilots to be able to speak and write fluently in English.^[17]
The New York Daily News spoke with an expert who said, "steering a large jet into a huge building wouldn't require a great deal of skill because taking off and landing are the most difficult maneuvers. A few hours in a twin-engine plane or a decent simulator could get you there."^[18]
Freeway Airport in Bowie

Loose Change includes a clip from an interview with Marcel Bernard, chief flight instructor Freeway Airport in Bowie. That's where Hani Hanjour came in August to rent a small plane. They took him on three test runs and "found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172." (What does landing an airplane have to do with crashing an airplane into a building?) They wanted Hanjour to have more time with an instructor before allowing him to rent an aircraft on his own.^[19]
Hanjour did have his commercial pilot's license and showed them his log book which cataloged over 600 hours of flying experience.^[20] However, due to concern with his piloting skills, as well as the fact that Hanjour refused to provide an address and phone number (a standard part of the plane rental application), they declined his request to rent an aircraft.^[14]
Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it."^[20]
330 degree turn

The 330 or 270 or whatever degree diving turn itself is consistent with a pilot scanning for visible landmarks and suddenly spotting his target, and not consistent with remote or autonomous systems. A pilot running remotely would not have the same visual acuity, -- looking through a camera, say -- and would absolutely have to be using other sensors (GPS, terrain-following radar, etc.) in which case he'd have the Pentagon pretty clearly marked. There would be no need for a sudden correction like that. He'd have a better flight plan from the beginning.^[21]
The plane (or drone) was remotely piloted

While theoretically possible, it would be enormously difficult to have piloted Flight 77 remotely or automatically. Remote guidance of the aircraft would not have improved its flying characteristics or performance. Quite the opposite, in fact. An autonomous aircraft control system will stay away from the limits of performance whenever possible, simply because the autonomous control system may not be stable there -- it may not react quickly enough, may accidentally overshoot, or it may have never encountered those conditions and behave unpredictably. Similarly, a remotely controlled aircraft will avoid challenging flight regimes because the pilot suffers additional delay, and cannot completely sense what his aircraft is doing.^[21]
Was Hani Hanjour really on Flight 77?

After the 9/11 attacks, the Arab News in Saudi Arabia reported that Hani Hanjour's family in Taif (Saudi Arabia) was accepting condolences. They understood and believed Hani was on the flight and had died.^[22]
Documents

First page of Hanjour’s Sept. 10, 2000 visa application

Second page of Hanjour’s visa application

References

2. ↑ http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/OG00020-09.pdf
3. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8} Staff Monograph on 9/11 and Terrorist Travel. 9/11 Commission (2004).
4. ↑ Statement for the Record - FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III. Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry (September 26, 2002).
5. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Zacarias Moussauoi v. the United States, trial testimony on March 7, 2006.
6. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1} Chen, David W.. "Man Traveled Across U.S. In His Quest to Be a Pilot", The New York Times, September 18, 2001.
7. ↑ Williams, Carol J., John-Thor Dahlburg, H.G. Reza. "The conspirators with borrowed names blended in, trading one seedy room for the next. They took flying lessons--and plotted", Los Angeles Times, September 27, 2001.
8. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1} "Driving a Wedge - Bin Laden, the US and Saudi Arabia (Part 1)", The Boston Globe, March 3, 2002.
9. ↑ McDermott, Terry (2005). Perfect Soldiers. HarperCollins, p. 204.
10. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5 9.6 9.7} http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm
11. ↑ Martin, John P.. "Landlord identifies terrorists as renters", The Star-Ledger, September 27, 2001.
12. ↑ http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/OG00020-09.pdf
13. ↑ Martin, John P.. "Landlord identifies terrorists as renters", The Star-Ledger, September 27, 2001.
14. ↑ Martin, John P.. "Landlord identifies terrorists as renters", The Star-Ledger, September 27, 2001.
15. ↑ ^{14.0 14.1} Wilber, Del Quentin and Michael James. "In Md., errands, exercise filled hijackers' final days; Bowie flight school, Greenbelt gym used", The Baltimore Sun, September 18, 2001.
16. ↑ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml
17. ↑ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml
18. ↑ FAA alerted by flight school in early 2001 about man who became Sept. 11 hijacker May 10, 2002, Associated Press
19. ↑ Buettner, Russ. "FBI Eying Flight School Rosters for Clues, Training a key link in probe", Daily News (New York), September 20, 2001.
20. ↑ Headden, Susan. "The banality of evil", U.S. News & World Report, October 1, 2001.
21. ↑ ^{20.0 20.1} Frank, Thomas. "Where System Failed;Tracing Trail Of Hijackers", Newsday (New York), September 23, 2001.
22. ↑ ^{21.0 21.1} JREF post by R.Mackey
23. ↑ "Some Light Shed On Saudi Suspects; Many Raised in Area of Religious Dissent", The Washington Post, September 25, 2001.

Other references

• Hanjour a Study in Paradox - The Washington Post (October 15, 2001)
• Three Hijackers Had San Diego Ties, 10news.com