pilot who flew both 77 and 175 speaks out on 9/11

[Tiger V]

dime-are we suppose to take the blue pill or the red pill ?And I need to know if there are any certain color m & ms I should avoid ?

[Tiger V]

Originally Posted by DimeDR

tiger,

spend some time and get back to me, love to debate you over phone, record it, and put on the site--how bout that ... and baseball is almost as boring as you

what are you doing in a gambling forum ?Getting the odds on people taking the blue and red pills ?

people taking red pills +180
people taking blue pills -220

thinking about taking people with red pills today +180
would like your input-maybe its not as boring as baseball to ya

[Tiger V]

Originally Posted by DimeDR

tiger,

spend some time and get back to me, love to debate you over phone, record it, and put on the site--how bout that ... and baseball is almost as boring as you

waiting for your phone #

[stifflers mom]

OSU - Yes planes hit the 2 towers in NYC the lie is the people that were supposedly flying them. I will say this again. With the experience they had there's no way to hand fly a 757 taken over at 30.000 feet in an unfamiliar airspace, ground navigate that from hundred miles away to NYC and hit the towers at those speeds with pinpoint precision not once but twice. And the pentagon is a complete hoax if we have to believe a commercial jets can make those manouvres at those speeds. Plane would have broken up in pieces a long time before even coming close to the pentagon. And hitting the pentagon is damn near impossible.

[DimeDR]

heres my email, tiger v, write me ... v2shaman at aol.com ... we will go from there ... love to get your thoughts on tape, you are so well read and informed on 9/11 im sure youd shred me in moments

[tar_baby]

“Loose Change” Debunked

Amateurish video on 9/11 full of errors, faulty reasoning







An artist’s drawing depicts the aircraft approaching the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. (© The Pentagon Building Performance Report)



Loose Change is perhaps the most popular September 11 conspiracy-theory video, with its various editions reportedly logging more than 10 million web views. The most recent version, Loose Change Second Edition Recut, had more than 5 million web views as of March 2007.
Despite the video’s extraordinary popularity, its claims are so absurd that they are considered an embarrassment by other conspiracy theorists, some of whom have written lengthy critiques of the video’s most outlandish claims.
Loose Change makes very sloppy mistakes in support of its false claim that a missile, not a plane, hit the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. The video mistakes two different sections of the large hole caused by the airliner for the entire hole and, ironically, features photographs that actually disprove its “small hole” theory.
The plane that hit the Pentagon created an area of severe damage that was approximately 36.6 meters (120 feet) wide, according to The Pentagon Building Performance Report, published by the American Society of Civil Engineers and the Structural Engineering Institute in January 2003 (p. 35).
As shown in a photo gallery on the attack, the plane’s fuselage and wings caused extensive damage mostly to the Pentagon’s ground floor while the plane’s tail fin and vertical stabilizer created a smaller impact hole on the second floor.
Loose Change mistakenly identifies the portion of the hole on the second floor as the entire hole, and then argues from this mistaken premise that because such a large airliner could not have created such a small hole, the damage must have been caused by a missile.
Then, in a different but equally mistaken analysis, Loose Change identifies the portion of the hole on the far left of the ground floor as the entire hole, even though this “hole” is obviously on the ground floor while the initial “hole” it showed was clearly on the second floor. A person watching the video would be unlikely to spot these inconsistencies because the images are displayed only briefly, but they are obvious if one pauses the video and compares the different images.
Loose Change also includes a photograph that shows extensive damage to the ground floor of the Pentagon, but fails to note this fact, which would undermine its theory. See the photo gallery to view the photographs displayed in Loose Change and other images of the Pentagon attack.
The arguments in other sections of Loose Change suffer from similarly sloppy analysis.
For example, Loose Change claims that the “official explanation is that the intense heat from the jet fuel vaporized the entire plane” that struck the Pentagon, and argues that because this is impossible, the official story can not be trusted. Again, the video is proceeding from a mistaken premise. The plane disintegrated due to its impact with the Pentagon at 853 kilometers per hour (530 miles per hour), but it did not “vaporize.” Emergency response personnel reported seeing hundreds of pieces of the aircraft on the lawn outside the Pentagon. Parts of the plane, including engine parts and landing gear, were photographed inside the building.
As supposed evidence for its missile theory, Loose Change also claims that the aircraft debris in the Pentagon attack would have had to “pass through nine feet [three meters] of steel-reinforced concrete” – an unlikely occurrence. It obtained this figure by counting two outer walls each for the Pentagon’s E Ring, D Ring and C Ring.
But, as acknowledged even by other conspiracy theorists, no outer walls separate the C, D and E rings on the Pentagon’s lower two levels. The plane penetrated only two outside walls – the Pentagon’s exterior wall and the inner wall of the C Ring.
In its section examining the attack on the World Trade Center, Loose Change includes several statements by people who say they heard secondary explosions in the buildings, which the video interprets as evidence that the buildings were destroyed in a controlled demolition. But this ignores the commonsense explanation that secondary explosions could have been caused by vaporized fuel or electrical short-circuits in the severely damaged buildings. Demolition professionals say controlled demolition of the towers that day would have been impossible.
Loose Change also contains a great deal of footage from the initial live broadcasts of the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, when there was enormous confusion about exactly what had happened. It treats statements made at this time as if they represent reasoned judgments, not impromptu, often poorly thought-through misimpressions and uninformed speculation.
With regard to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, Loose Change claims that it is impossible that passengers on the flight made cell phone calls. It repeats a claim that cell phones supposedly have less than a 1 percent chance of succeeding at 9,750 meters (32,000 feet), the normal cruising altitude for commercial airliners.
But communications experts state that cell phone conversations at such altitudes are quite possible. Rick Kemper, director of technology and security at CTIA-The Wireless Association, said, “cell sites have a range of several miles, even at 35,000 feet [10,670 meters].” Paul Guckian, vice president of engineering for cell phone maker Qualcomm, stated, “at the altitude for commercial airliners, around 30,000 or 35,000 feet [9,145 to 10,670 meters], [some] phones would still get a signal.” (Debunking 9/11 Myths, Popular Mechanics, pp. 83-84.)
In fact, one cell phone conversation from Flight 93 was introduced into evidence at the trial of Zaccarias Moussaoui. Listen to the 45-second message left by flight attendant CeeCee Lyles on her home answering machine. Click on the “Lyles” file icon on the far left of the bottom row in the link.
In sum, Loose Change is researched very shoddily, making numerous mistakes of fact and judgment. Nevertheless, this has not prevented it from becoming extraordinarily popular.
(Distributed by the Bureau of International Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site: Page has moved)

[DimeDR]

yeah they debunked everything, esp. the fact that bush sat in room after 2nd tower hit and lied and said he saw first tower hit that day, then he and Card and staff changed story multiple times in next week ... lets not mention that the boxcutters couldnt fly and boarded planes w/o tickets and then got norad to stand down .(babs olsons fake calls have already been proven to be lies in a court of law, dont see that in the above, but lets not nitpick)..

all debunked? nd racist, you are truly a shallow thinker who understands nothing on 9/11

[Tiger V]

dime-can you get me on tape via e-mail ?or is your mental telepathy good enough that i can send you a few things that way?

[tar_baby]

Originally Posted by Tiger V

but having a old man saying he dosen't think a plane can do a certain thing isn't going to convince me.

but you see...that is enough proof for lonely, poor guys like dime..." 'cause they said so"

[the glue]

None are as blind as those who refuse to see......

[nedrow]

Originally Posted by DimeDR

not 175 and 11 ... so now that i answered your question

how did 19 boxcutters board planes w/o tickets then get norad to stand down for 90 mins

before you use controled demo to take down buldings you schould get the people out 1st. unless of course you /they have other plans.

[DimeDR]

ned they got most out, usually 20k are in the buildings at that time (not saying 1 death isnt a tragedy) ... coincidentally a tight pal of warren buffets was flown to NB to hang out and missed the 9/11 murder spree by the usa gov.

Bush and Buffett Convergence on 911? -- We Demand Some Answers

Bush and Buffett were in Cahoots on 911

Oct. 12, 2003
Sterling D. Allan

The report below documents that on the morning of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on America, before the attack commenced, the world's second most wealthy man was already at the U.S. Strategic Command headquarters where G.W. Bush flew later that day for "safety." As the attack began, Anne Tatlock was already en route to this same location. She arrived at the base to join Buffet in time to watch the second plane make a direct hit on the tower precisely where her office complex was located.

Strange coincidence?

This smacks too much of a conspiracy and begs to be investigated. What was Buffet, a civilian, doing at a military base? Did Buffet and others of his invite meet with Bush when Bush went there later that day? If they did, what was the nature of their meeting? If they claim to not have met, can they provide sworn affidavits, evidence and witnesses proving that they were elsewhere?

Combined with Bush's blatant negligence earlier in the morning at Booker Elementary, the insinuations of a possible meeting with Buffett are grave indeed. They suggest that President George W. Bush was in on inner workings of the planning and execution of the nations worst terrorist attack.

These things insinuate that not only did Bush have prior knowledge of the attack, but he was privy to its purposes and intended outcomes such as the anti-Constitutional Patriot Act and the Iraqi war for more control of the Mideast. At a minimum, it appears he was hanging out with those who did.

This information should be thoroughly investigated and made known to every citizen of the United States and every thinking inhabitant of this planet to awaken them to the awful situation we are in.

I am running for President of the United States to replace this conspiratorial oligarchy that has been usurping the freedoms of the land and installing a global police state. See www.allan2004.com Any of the mainline candidates supported by the establishment will only give you more of the same because they will be controlled by the establishment that runs the show from behind the scenes.

Pass this on to everyone you know. Don't expect to see this covered in this way in the mainstream press. You will see from the date stamps of the various news articles below that this information was published in the mainline press a long time ago, but not pieced together or questioned.

Thank God for the Internet and email. Truth can and will prevail if pains are taken to bring it to light.

[DimeDR]

So where was Warren Buffett the morning of 9/11 and what was he doing?
Mr. Buffett was reportedly at his home in Omaha, Nebraska watching TV when he heard about the terrorist attacks. He was getting ready to host his "last annual golf charity event" which just happened to be at the U.S. Strategic Command headquarters located at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha. Offutt AFB is, coincidentally, where President G. W. Bush flew to on Air Force One later in the day for "safety." This early golf charity event hosted by Mr. Buffett was to include celebrities, professional athletes, and a small group of business leaders in which one of these business leaders became a very lucky person. This very lucky person was Ann Tatlock, the CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International. Now what made Mrs. Tatlock such a lucky person for being invited to this charity event that morning? Mrs. Tatlock not only works in the World Trade Center, but her offices were right where Flight 175 crashed into the South WTC Tower. She was escorted by military officers to an officer's lounge with TV to watch it happen.

[DimeDR]

"Anne Tatlock found out about the collision of a plane with the North Tower while en route to the U.S. Strategic Command headquarters in Omaha. The 62-year-old chief executive of Fiduciary Trust Co. International was one of a small group of business leaders at a charity event hosted by Warren Buffett. Military officers boarded the bus she was on, and escorted her to an officer's lounge and a television, just in time to see the second plane hit the South Tower between the 87th and 93rd floors--right where 650 of her employees worked.

Fiduciary, which today manages $44 billion of securities for pension plans, endowments and wealthy individuals..." -Forbes (10/15/01)

[DimeDR]

So was it just a coincidence that the 2nd richest man in the world was hosting his "last" annual golf charity event so early that particular morning at U.S. Strategic Command headquarters and what are the odds that a WTC CEO was invited who's offices were right where one of the hijacked airplanes crashed into?
Some immediate questions that arise from this charity event:

1. Who chose that date for this charity golf event to be held on a Sept. 11th and when was this date set? Is this "annual" golf event always held on a Sept. 11th?
2. Who were the celebrities, professional athletes, and the rest of the business leaders that attended, why were they invited, and who invited them? Did any of the other CEO's invited to this charity event work at the WTC?
3. Why was this the "last" annual golf charity event Mr. Buffett was going to host?
4. Were the military officers who escorted her off the bus and into a room with a TV ordered to do so she could personally see the 2nd hijacked plane crash into her offices?

An interesting angle about Ann Tatlock's company, Fiduciary Trust Co. International, is that President Bush's nominee to head the panel that's investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, Thomas Kean, used to serve as the company's director which has a lot of wealthy clients.

[DimeDR]

One interesting note about Ann Tatlock is that she is a trustee of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) along with former Secretary of State and current Carlyle Group advisor James A. Baker III who's law firm, Baker Botts LLP, is defending Saudi Arabia against the trillion dollar lawsuit filed by the families of 9/11 victims. HHMI also employed Don C. Wiley, one of the dozen distinguished microbiologists that have mysteriously died within five months of each other shortly after 9/11.