Society must choose: The Sodomites or Judeo-Christian Tradition

[Joe Contrarian]

Society must choose: Homosexuality or Judeo-Christian tradition

Bryan Fischer

Bryan Fischer
February 7, 2007


Despite the claims of secularists to be all about tolerance, the sad reality is that once homosexual behavior receives any kind of legal endorsement through public policies, such policies are quickly used to silence, repress, intimidate, and punish those who affirm the Judeo-Christian tradition and what it teaches about human sexuality.

It is simply impossible for a society to embrace both legal approval of homosexuality and the Judeo-Christian tradition. And the more a culture publicly affirms the normality of gay sex, the more it will have to punish those who disagree.

This is why we must oppose discrimination policies that specifically give special protections on the basis of sexual orientation, and why we must oppose "hate crimes" laws.

Here are some recent news flashes from the frontlines of the culture war:

• A conservative evangelical Christian college in Michigan is being sued by a faculty member the college is trying to fire. The faculty member, married and the father of three children, is now claiming he is a woman, which is why the college has decided to terminate his employment. The faculty member has filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and will file a federal lawsuit if he does not prevail with the EEOC. He has been cross-dressing on campus since 2005. The college believes in the Judeo-Christian tradition's teaching that God has created just two genders, male and female, and has made no mistakes in the gender assignments each of us receives in the womb.
• Catholic adoption agencies in England have been told that they must adopt children into homosexual households, on the basis of the new "Equality Act" that bars discrimination against gays. A similar law in Massachusetts forced Catholic Charities there to go out of the adoption business altogether, since conscience would not allow them to place children in suboptimal nurturing environments.
• A Christian pastor in Sweden was convicted under hate speech laws for declaring that homosexuality is a "cancerous tumor on all of society." He was barely spared imprisonment by the country's Supreme Court.
• The Knights of Columbus in British Columbia were taken before a Human Rights Tribunal for refusing to rent a hall to a lesbian couple for a "wedding" reception. They were forced to pay each woman $1,000 for offending their "dignity, feelings, and self-respect."
• An evangelical Christian teacher, also in British Columbia, was suspended for three months from his teaching position for writing letters to the local newspaper opposing gay rights.
• In 2005, a British bank forced an evangelical Christian group to close its account after its leaders publicly criticized homosexuality.
• In 2005, an insurance agent in America was fired after posting his opposition to the normalization of homosexuality on the internet.
• Last August, the Minneapolis police department suspended a police psychologist solely because he is affiliated with Focus on the Family, which promotes family values and opposes the normalization of homosexuality.
• Two Pennsylvania grandmothers are facing 47 years in jail for spreading the gospel because of a state "hate crimes" law that is nearly identical to a federal hate crimes law that was re-introduced in Congress in January.
• Pastors in Pennsylvania are now seeking liability insurance to protect themselves from prosecution under the "hate speech" law, which includes penalties for "harassment by communication," meaning they could be prosecuted for spoken words alone.
• A pastor in Canada, who handed out leaflets to protest a school's decision to distribute copies of the Koran and set aside a room for Muslim students to pray during schools hours (a luxury not provided to Christian, Jewish, or Buddhist students), was convicted of having "willfully promoted hatred," placed on two years probation, and ordered to serve 340 hours of "community service" — at the Islamic Society of North America, where he was forced to undergo Islamic "re-education." When he entered court for his trial, a large crowd of Muslims chanted "Infidels, you will burn in hell," but evidently that is not considered hate speech under current Canadian law.

Make no mistake, my friends. What is at stake in our battle against political correctness — and the homosexual agenda in particular — is nothing less than freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and freedom of association.

Christians who want the freedom to continue to proclaim the gospel itself cannot afford any longer to remain silent, or to stay out of the battle, hoping that it will not come near them. It is futile for the Christian church in American to avoid public policy matters because they don't think the church should "be involved in politics," or in the vain hope that they will escape because all they want to do is "preach the gospel." That very freedom is increasingly jeopardized with every advance of the homosexual agenda.

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Bryan Fischer is the Executive Director of the Idaho Values Alliance, whose mission is to make Idaho the friendliest place in the world to raise a family. He has an undergraduate degree in Philosophy (from Stanford University) and a graduate degree in theology.

© Copyright 2007 by Bryan Fischer
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[Joe Contrarian]

Ah yes, political correctness and leftist feel-good'ism once again usurps intellectual honesty, intellectual clarity and in some cases, even the First Amendment.

Fact: modern society has been perverted by the left.

Fact: the left takes a lot of pride in sugarcoating and bending the truth not because it benefits society but because of it's own backward First Commandment: Thou shall not offend or hurt anyone's feelings.

Fact: The American Psychological Association once classified this spreading perverse gay lifestyle as a mental disorder -- if we were to explore gay pleasantries in graphic detail, people would be jolted back to reality and realize why -- but for some reason it was deleted in the late 60s because...well...it was the late sixties.

I am amazed -- utterly shocked! -- how the Rodney King Syndrome of leftism will go so far as mangling and perverting traditional vocabulary -- the sexes are now called 'genders' because 'genders' are interchangeable and 'gender' gives the left moral authority to introduce other related perversions into society, as well as silence and intimidate the voices of truth, all in the name of their militant political agenda.

I mean, what's more important? Lying to people because we don't want to 'offend' or hurt someone's feelings? Or enlightening people with the unvarnished truth?

Whoever said "People are suckers for the truth" and "The truth shall set you free" definitely was NOT a lefty.

Modern leftism is beyond sick.

[4625]

Ho hum. . .Society has chosen; tolerance and true Christian values over the theocratic authoritarianism of the Christianists and their fellow travelers, the Islamists. . .Next!

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by 4625

Ho hum. . .Society has chosen; tolerance and true Christian values over the theocratic authoritarianism of the Christianists and their fellow travelers, the Islamists. . .Next!

Ugh.

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Socrates was a Pederast Homosexual

Greek Eros: Ancient Civilizations of Greece and Rome



Today "Eros" would be considered sexual love, and in the days of ancient Greece, Eros was not only their god of love, but it was also their word that referred to sexual desire. In Greek society, especially during the Golden Age, this sexual desire does not seem to have been gender specific in any way. In fact most men seemed to be more interested in pursuing and having sexual relations with young boys – a practice known as pederasty – than they were with pursuing women. While this likely seems strange to a society where the majority of men find it repulsive to think of another man as beautiful, and where until recently homosexuals and bisexuals were looked down upon as being inferior, it was actually quite common and accepted in the ancient world of Greece.

In this paper I primarily intend to illustrate how common the acts of pederasty and homosexual love really were, in addition to why these practices came to be so prevalent, and when and how they began to be shunned. It becomes obvious quite quickly how prevalent bisexuality was in ancient Greece when one begins to look at various aspects of life in this time. Literature, art, philosophy, and law were all major aspects of life in the ancient world; all of which portrayed outright expressions of the acceptance and prevalence of love between males, but especially that of young boys.

In literature one finds many authors who openly write about homosexuality in poetry and prose (with no restraints). In The Clouds, Aristophanes portrays homosexuality as a common and normal aspect of human existence and sexuality. Theocrites, Achilles Tatius, and Solon also condone homosexuality. Solon writes in his poem “Boys and Sport:”2 Blest is the man who loves and after early play Whereby his limbs are supple made and strong Retiring to his house with wine and song Toys with a fair boy on his breast the livelong day! As is obvious, Eros for young boys was something that writers of poetry and prose felt they did not need to be ashamed of or hide.

These writers – similar to the writers in most cultures - likely represented the view of the bulk of society. Homosexuality was often depicted in art too. While few wall paintings have survived, there are numerous remaining vase paintings that display profane (by modern standards) acts of homosexuality. The following picture [see opposite page] of the vase shows just how explicit the artwork could get, and actually may be considered one of the first forms of pornography. It displays a group of males standing around naked while at least one couple is in the process of having homosexual intercourse.

Philosophy was another area where the acceptance of homosexuality was obvious, and seemed to be representative of the thoughts of many people (or at least male thought) of the time. Most of the early philosophers seemed to thoroughly understand and discuss the actions pederasty and homosexuality, and Socrates, considered the first philosopher, even described himself as being “experienced in the pursuit of men.” According to the dialogues of Plato – a student of Socrates - pederasty and homosexuality were a part of everyday life, at least for aristocrats. Two of Plato’ s works, The Phaedrus and The Symposium, paint a brilliant picture of what the attitude toward pederasty was at the time. In the opening pages of The Phaedrus, Phaedrus and Socrates are discussing a speech that Lysias – a popular orator of the day - has written; a speech that was “…designed to win the favor of a handsome boy….” Socrates seems to understand why one would write a speech on this subject, and even states that man “cannot have a less desirable protector or companion than the man who is in love with him.” The Symposium goes into even greater detail about pederasty.

The setting is a symposium – a type of dinner party that only included males as guests, and had entertainment, wine, and discussion of politics and philosophy – in which several men are gathered and all give speeches about why a love of boys is a good thing. Phaedrus - the first to give his speech - states, For I can’t say that there is a greater blessing right from boyhood than a good lover or a greater blessing for a lover than a darling [young boy]. What people who intend to lead their lives in a noble and beautiful manner need is not provided by family, public honors, wealth, or anything else, so well as by love. Pausanias - the second speaker - adds even more to this argument when he states Aphrodite only inspires love among men for young boys, and not women. Those inspired by Aphrodite are naturally drawn to the male because he is a stronger and more intelligent creature.

Socrates also comments on the importance of pederasty in his own life. He says, “My love for this fellow [Agathon- another member of the party who is a beautiful young boy] is not an insignificant affair.” Yet another member of the party, Alcibiades, also loves Agathon and tries to discredit Socrates when he says, “…Socrates is lovingly fixated on beautiful young men, is always around them – in a daze….” Socrates was one of the most influential persons in ancient Greece, and was in fact put to death for what the authorities thought was leading the youth of Athens astray. They did not condemn him for his love of young boys, however, but thought he was leading them away from the gods and causing them to question authority. Pederasty was also condoned by the law. According to Plato, legal and social norms did not clearly condemn or prohibit homoeroticism. The court records of a case between an older gentleman and a man named Simon help one get an idea of the prevalence of pederasty. The case revolves around two men fighting over a younger boy, but never assigns any dishonor to either of the men for chasing the boy, and actually rule in favor of the old man even though he is married. Of course, each city-state was different, clearly reflected sexual norms in Greece as a whole.

Most of the examples that I have used thus far have been from Athens, but there were other cities that represented a full range of the spectrum in regard to acceptance of pederasty and homosexuality. Sparta, for example, developed institutionalized homosexuality in its military training, while other cities considered homosexuality illegal. These were usually cities far to the north of Greece, and were looked at as being inferior to most cities, especially Athens. Pausanias for example, in The Symposium, denounces these other cities as being ruled by barbarians for considering these acts shameful by law. This was likely a common view among most of the males in Athens in antiquity. Society in Athens only condemned pederasty when it was sought after in a dishonorable way. Only when it was not pursued honorably according to laws and customs was pederasty frowned upon. There were also no laws against two middle-aged men having intercourse, but nonetheless, this does not appear to have been regarded as acceptable behavior.

The reason this would be looked at as unacceptable is because there were two roles in sex: the active and passive. The active role was reserved to that of the male citizen and considered the honorable role. The party that was strictly on the receiving end of the sexual act played the passive role, and it was considered a dishonor for that party to be a citizen. In order to understand why the Greeks in many of the cities in the Golden Age had the views they did, it is important to try and realize what situations caused their outlooks.

While many of their religious stories involved homosexuality, this was not the way the myths were originally composed, and probably evolved during the classical age to include stories of Zeus’ irresistible passion for his young boy cupbearer, Garrymede; and that of Zeus causing of the first homosexual act among men to occur. While these were effects of people’s thoughts about pederasty there are several possible causes of these thoughts. In the Greek Dark Ages, male warrior fraternities existed that likely caused a deep bond among men, and surely had some impact on thought thereafter. There had also been a deep appreciation of the physique and prowess of the male body throughout ancient Greece. Another explanation that seems to explain pederasty may have been that the adult males were performing a type of guidance for the sons of fathers who had been killed in battle.

While these undoubtedly had an impact on the views of the ancient Greeks, probably the biggest factor influencing their thought was the structure of Greek culture. In Ancient Athens there was a very distinct public and private sphere. The public sphere was the place where a man was to pursue politics and gain prestige, while the private was where the women, children, and slaves were to remain. A form of punishment would actually be for a man to be banned from the public sphere and only allowed in the dishonorable private sphere – the house.

Women were looked down upon as less than citizens not much higher on the social ladder than slaves, and would be a dishonor to their husband if they were to leave the house. In respect to sexual courting, it did not really matter if a woman left the house or not, because having sex with another man’s wife, daughter, mother, sister, or concubine was one of the only offenses that was punished by execution. Again, only a male could be the active role and administer sex, therefore the female could not be guilty in regard to any sexual crimes. Plus, it was nearly impossible to court young women because of the fact that they had pre-arranged marriages – usually by the age of fourteen.

Women were also almost never outside, and zealously guarded until they were married in order to prevent the “accident” of unwanted children. This led to the situation where aristocratic men gathered in large numbers out of doors with no women to court and nowhere to direct their sexual energy. They could have directed it toward prostitutes and slaves, but these were at the disposal of all who could pay, and was not really any kind of competition for those men who wanted to show off their lovers. The only public sexual competition had to be directed to young boys. With this system in place, it became possible for men to meet lovers in several, all-male settings established in society.

There were numerous arenas where this could take place. One such place was the army, where an older man was supposed to help a younger boy become a better soldier and take him under his wing. Another was in the gymnasium where boys and trainers practiced in the nude. Yet another was the act of an older man taking a younger boy to a symposium to expose him to culture. All of these actions were common in Greek culture, but it was the older man who was to be the pursuer, and the boy that was supposed to be shy and not readily willing to succumb to the man’s advances. This was an honorable way of pursuing pederasty and was thought of as educational and good for the younger boy by the philosophers of the day. There were, in fact, rules that would limit the contact men could have with boys, such as school not being open before sunrise or after sunset, and rules regarding who could enter a school, and for what reason. No slave would ever be allowed to court a boy. It is not fair to think that only the adult male benefited from these relationships. They both entered the relationship for selfish reasons; the boy for educational and social advantages, and the man for reasons of sex and companionship.

Once a man had wooed his darling, it was his job to make the boy into a woman. Since it was dishonorable for any man to be passive, the boy –who would someday be a man - had to be seen as a woman. At the same time, however, the lover was attempting to help advance the boy as a man. Boys, incapable of emitting semen – hence boys before adolescence, were not really viewed as male, so it was not all that difficult to portray them as female. This had to be quite an emotionally confusing strain, however, on the young boy. In this situation a boy who is trying to advance as a man, is also playing the role of a woman so it can be all right for what his lover is doing to him.

The male in this system is all part of a cycle. At one point in his life he is the pursued darling, and at another point, he becomes the pursuing adult lover. Once this practice became established, it is understandable that it became quite secure and commonplace in society. While this may seem a strange cultural system to many modern onlookers, it was completely normal for the males in Greek society who had known it as a part of their everyday existence their whole lives. Since men ran the culture and were the only members of society who were looked at as being fully human it only makes sense that they would want to pursue their equal.

Another major reason the structure of society in the ancient world helped cause pederasty is the fact that all marriages were arranged. There was no romance involved in marrying, and indeed, the job of the wife was to bear children and be the guardian of the home. Romance with a woman was actually frowned upon, and any man who was thought to be under the influence of a woman was said to be incompetent at law. The only honorable place to look for romance was in the pool of young boys in the city. Women were uneducated and in the eyes of men had little or no intellectual capacity, thus it was better to pursue the young darling and attempt to make an equal out of the boy.

Despite the overwhelmingly popular support of pederasty and homosexual love in ancient Greece, it did not last forever. However, it seems obvious that it did not die in the hands of the Greeks. It appears that pederasty began to decline by the end of the Hellenic period, but homosexuality certainly lived on. With the Hellenistic Age came an increased status of women as well as an increase in heterosexual relationships as the main focus of romantic endeavors. Both of these factors seemed to cause a decline in homosexual relationships, however, they did indeed live on in the Hellenistic world and even went on to Rome. Alexander the Great was known for his homosexual tendencies, and was never attacked for his long affair with Hepchaestion.

Homosexuality survived into the days of the Roman Empire where it finally became widely shunned when the emperor Justinian eventually banned it. The establishment of the church likely had the greatest influence in trying to eliminate homosexuality. Obviously, however, homosexuality has never, and likely will never be eliminated. It has been around longer than the church, and has survived despite the ruthless attack that the church has made on it. From the areas of literature, art, philosophy, and law it becomes obvious how very prevalent and accepted pederasty and homosexuality were in Hellenic times. While it is impossible to know exactly how these views came to be, it appears that the most influential factor was the way that society was structured in an almost exclusively male setting. And while modern views condemn pederasty, homosexuality unquestionably lives on in modern times and will likely survive as long as humans walk the earth. While many people think of Democracy, and philosophy as being legacies of the ancient Greek world, in many ways one could trace homosexuality back to the Hellenic age as well.

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[Joe Contrarian]

Study shows link between homosexuality and pedophilia

By Interim Staff

A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council recently confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia.

The report entitled Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, shows that while homosexual men make up less than three per cent of the adult male population, they commit a disproportionate number (one third or more) of child sexual molestations. Dailey's report is being sent to parents, youth groups, school administrators, Catholic bishops, and religious organizations.

Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse presents a number of controversial findings. The first is that a significant percentage of child sexual abuse victims are boys. The second finding of Dailey's report contradicts the "inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey" that homosexuals comprise at least 10 per cent of the population. Based upon a study of three large data sets, the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. Census, "a recent study in demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 per cent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 per cent," writes Dailey.

The FRC study also demonstrates, with a wealth of anecdotal evidence, that pedophile themes can be found throughout "mainstream" gay literature, including fiction anthologies such as: The Penguin Book on International Gay Writing, The Gay Canon: What Every Gay Man Should Read, and A History of Gay Literature:The Male Tradition. Interestingly, the late gay Beat poet Allen Ginsberg was a pedophile, and wrote articles for publications associated with the North American Man-Boy Love Association. "I reread Collected Poems and Ginsberg's two subsequent collections, surprised by the pattern of reference to anal intercourse and to pederasty that emerged," writes Dailey.

According to Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, pedophiles have long existed as a subculture within the gay rights movement. Dailey quotes David Thorstad, a homosexual activist and founding member of NAMBLA, to demonstrate that by 1985, pedophilia had gained acceptance within the homosexual movement, as it was in that year that NAMBLA was admitted as a member in New York's council of Lesbian and Gay Organizations and the International Gay Association.

In the words of Jim Kepner, at one time the curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles: "A point I've been trying to make is that if we reject the boylovers in our midst today, we'd better stop waving the banner of the ancient Greeks, of Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Horatio Alger, and Shakespeare. We'd better stop claiming them as part of our history unless we are broadening our concept of what it means to be gay."

The link between homosexuality and pedophilia is rejected by many mainstream research groups, which have even begun to view pedophilia in value-neutral terms.

The American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia from its list of sexual perversions in 1994, while in 1999 the American Psychological Association published a report, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," which "claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial," according to a 1999 WorldNetDaily column by noted researcher Dr. Judith Reisman.

"None of this is news in the sense that this information (the link between pedophilia and homosexuality) was fundamentally proven a long time ago," Canada Family Action head Brian Rushfeldt told The Interim, "but I'm glad to see the FRC reiterating it, especially at a time when the Catholic church is struggling with the pedophile priest issue."

Rushfeldt stresses that pedophiles come in both homosexual and heterosexual forms, but there are differences between the two that need to be understood. "Do you treat the cocaine addict the same way you treat the alcoholic? If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him."

Asked why the link exists in the first place, Rushfeldt, a former addiction counsellor, says part of the answer lies in the availability of sex. "Sex addicts generally need instant gratification. They have a very low threshold for delaying gratification, and it's much easier to manipulate a young boy into having sex than it is to manipulate another man." He adds that homosexual pedophilia is influenced by other factors as well.

"There's a distinct quality about male homosexuality that gay men tend to be attracted to young, good-looking guys. Another part of pedophilia's appeal is the power the pedophile feels in manipulating the boy. It's a combination of things."

[MannyLovitto]

Always fascinating to see how many websites pertaining to homosexuality and pedophilia that Mark has Bookmarked and ready for quick access.


Meanwhile, we'll note that Mark's posting history at RxForum shows that defaming gay North Americans usually is one of his first Go-To topics following a period of being shamed by other posters.

Well that, and the last two Topics he created have attracted a composite of three Replies from one single poster.

Can't have that when Sweeps Week is coming up.

[SlipperyPete]

The funny thing is that Jesus himself would not vote for the supposed "party of Jesus"

[Joe Contrarian]

Here's another rarely discussed cultural side effect of the militant sodomite agenda:

FACT: Most fashion designers are sodomites. (Duh!)

FACT: It wasn't too long ago when the avg. American male considered healthy voluptuous women like Marilyn Monroe irresistible sex objects. By today's disgusting unhealthy anorexic standards, such women are ridiculed as "fat."

Hmmm....what changed?

I'll tell you what changed!!

Because sodomites run the fashion industry, they use their morally sick perversions to influence fashion trends -- the goal being for WOMEN TO LOOK LIKE STICKS: PREPUBESCENT BOYS!

Flat-chested women with no booty have ZERO sex appeal in the eyes of the vile sodomite and his sodomomite-enabling sheeple.

Give me a fucking break!

Never mind that a woman has to STARVE herself to look like Paris fashion model -- it's all about "love" and "tolerance" and "beautiful designs" from Paris and Milan.

So how many of you sodomite-enablers think it's a coincidence that as homosexuality has become more culturally widespread and socially acceptable, eating disorders and DRUG ABUSE among innocent young women have skyrocketed?

Noooooo....no koindidink there.

Oh yeah, "WE" are the haters.

The ones with an ability to breakthrough a brainwashed PC culture that stymies THINKING -- period.

The ones who see Rome burning and dare speak out against this abominable sin (Carrie Prejean the latest target of the sodomite-enabler smear machine).

The ones who love America, traditional American values who don't want the country descending into a moral abyss that enslaves it's broken citizenry with a cradle-to-grave Euro-trash anything-goes welfare state.

Folks, let me tell something:

"Hate" has never been more honorable, more decent, more righteous and more patriotic.

[4625]

We've got two different fonts, but only two colors; and neither of them are wacky. Further, there's only one zany photo. . .You can do better!! The forum is disappointed--especially those of us holding a "three" ticket in the wacky color pool. . .

[MannyLovitto]

The Biblical inference by referring to gay Americans as "sodomites" is actually the fourth leg of his Hate Pool. Consider it as #4

[Joe Contrarian]

So 50 years ago, the avg American male lusted after 'fatties' (by today's perverted definition); today the drug-infested Eminem armpit of America worships anorexic toothpicks.

Well, isn't that special.

Call me a chubby-chaser, but I find women like this image disgusting (not to mention morally reprehensible and very damaging to young girls):




Raise your hand -- who here finds this sodomite Frankenstein attractive?



While you're thinking about that, enlighten us, libs -- why so do many young women these days suffer from eating disorders and low self esteem?

Huh?

Why are so many them into "Manny" candy?

Why is your morally perverted culture churning out more dysfunctional droids than Hillary's "village" can economically afford to "treat" and care for?

The sodomites and sodomy-enablers want you to believe that whatever gives you a woody..well....you were "born that way"...and that we should just all be "tolerant" and "loooving" and "understanding"....

(Ohhhh...isn't that sweet? C'mon everyone...you too Perez Hilton...Group hug!)

The sodomites and the militant sodomy agenda want you to believe cultural and environmental influences don't play a role in the individual's sexual development.

THEY ARE WRONG!

They argue that if Adam and Steve marry, it doesn't impact our lives.

THEY ARE WRONG! .

Where is the "evidence" the drones rhetorically ask?



THE EVIDENCE IS ALL AROUND YOU IF ONLY YOU HAVE THE MORAL COURAGE TO STEP OUTSIDE YOUR SICK PERVERTED PC REALITY!

HUMAN SEXUALITY is more fluid than our modern leftist gender-benders (social engineers attempting to manipulate nature's yin and yang) want you to believe.

Never mind that civilizations like Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome completely disembowel this modern leftist idiocy of human sexuality being defined in the womb -- periods when the sodomites regularly penetrated the anuses of young boys for pleasure, while women were defined as second class citizens: baby incubators.

Never mind those folks who claim they become sexually aroused around children and chickens for all intents and purposes can (and should) make the same moral argument the gay "rights" movement is making -- as should the polygamists and anyone with a desire to have sexual relations with their brother, sister, momma or daddy, grandpa and grandma...

Never mind that these metastasizing perverted lifestyles are undermining the moral underpinnings of a free civilized society.

Never mind that society's greatest and time-tested social stabilizer is being assaulted by perverts who practice the most repulsive and unhealthy lifestyles.

Oh no, it's the Carrie Prejeans who are the 'haters'...the ones who should be marginalized while the rest of the 'enlightened progressives" 'modernize' society....

Folks, for the past 100 years or so, despite all the technological progress and fountain of knowledge, the 'progressives' have indeed been "modernizing" America -- straight into a deep dark black hole.

Contrary to the myths of Jon Stewart and all the left wing moral idiots, we are NOT living in an age of "enlightenment"...we are living in an age future historians will mock as as a MODERN DARK AGES OF PC IGNORANCE!"

[MannyLovitto]

Mark, I think if you're brutally honest, you'd have to admit that ANY adult female giving you honest attention would absolutely split your shorts. To hell with her physical dimensions.

[MannyLovitto]

Originally Posted by Joe Contrarian

Folks, for the past 100 years or so, despite all the technological progress and fountain of knowledge, the 'progressives' have indeed been "modernizing" America -- straight into a deep dark black hole.

Hear! Hear!

I think we all yearn for a return to the culture of the year 1909

Back when women knew their place....when they could not legally vote in the USA or in "Joe's" Canada.

Those were the days, all right!

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by MannyLovitto

Hear! Hear!

I think we all yearn for a return to the culture of the year 1909

Back when women knew their place....when they could not legally vote in the USA or in "Joe's" Canada.

Those were the days, all right!

[MannyLovitto]

True enough, Mark.

Back in 1909, those pedophiles could pretty much get over without worry anyone would be on to their game.

Are you trying to tell us something about the ol' Lan---l family tree?

This is not why you're ashamed of your personal Canadian heritage, is it?

[4625]

The sad (but only mildly) part is that if our Kluck-Klucking Kannuck would devote only half as much time to making himself more appealing to the opposite(??) sex as he does entertaining here with his zany antics, he would no longer have the desire to scream into the wind about the "immorality" of current society and culture. Rather than being on the outside looking in at other Canadians engaging in the age-old dance of seduction, perhaps by self-improvement and introspection, our Tundra tut-tutter might actually be able to one day join in. . .

[MannyLovitto]

Just thinking now about Mark's grandfathers has me to where I'm not sure if I can ever watch The Great Santini again without shedding a tear

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by MannyLovitto

True enough, Mark.

Back in 1909, those pedophiles could pretty much get over without worry anyone would be on to their game.

Are you trying to tell us something about the ol' Lan---l family tree?

This is not why you're ashamed of your personal Canadian heritage, is it?

Why do you support/endorse pedophilia, "Manny"?

Why do you support an organization (ACLU) that offered material support to those who openly preach pedophilia and arguably encourage kidnapping, rape, and murder?

Why do you support a group that was founded by Marxists and remains so energetically hostile to a traditional American organization that tries to turn boys into men, with sex alien to the process (The Boy Scouts of America), "Manny"?

What gives you the legal and moral right to frame any sexual perversion that suits your fancy into a struggle for "civil rights", "Manny"?

Why do you hate America, "Manny"?

Why are you trying to destroy America, "Manny"?

[MannyLovitto]

Markie, you're the one with NAMLA promotional posters at your cyber fingertips.

Don't try and pass your personal inner demons on to any of the rest of us.

[MannyLovitto]

Originally Posted by Joe Contrarian

Why do you support an organization (ACLU)

A major reason is because they stood up for Rush Limbaugh when the government wanted to intrude on his personal medical records.

And as usually happens when the American Civil Liberties Union gets on the case, they protected Mr Limbaugh's privacy rights.

God Bless America and the ACLU!

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by MannyLovitto

A major reason is because they stood up for Rush Limbaugh when the government wanted to intrude on his personal medical records.

And as usually happens when the American Civil Liberties Union gets on the case, they protected Mr Limbaugh's privacy rights.

God Bless America and the ACLU!

non-sequitur

Answer the question, coward,

I realize nobody has ever challenged you to think for YOURSELF, but try...

The ACLU defended the North American Man-Boy Love Association in a $200 million civil lawsuit filed by Mr. and Mrs. Robert Curley. The Curleys claim that Charles Jaynes was driven by the literature and website of NAMBLA, an outfit that advocates sex between grown men and little boys, reportedly as young as age 8.

Jaynes did not simply read NAMBLA's materials and ponder its message. He and Salvatore Sicari actively sought a boy with whom to copulate. They picked 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge, Massachusetts. They lured him into their car as he played outside his home in October 1997. When Curley resisted their sexual advances, they choked him to death with a gasoline-soaked rag. Then they took the boy's body across state lines to Jayne's apartment in Manchester, New Hampshire. They molested the cadaver and stuffed it into a cement-filled Rubbermaid container. Finally, they crossed state lines again into Maine, whereupon they tossed Jeffrey Curley's remains into the Great Works River, from which it was recovered within days. Jaynes and Sicari were convicted of these crimes in 1998, for which they are serving life sentences.

So why do you support NAMBLA, "Manny"?

Why do you support the America-hating ACLU, "Manny"?

[tank]

Joe you know an awful lot about NAMBLA you are starting to scare me here.

[Joe Contrarian]

Here's another case "Manny" and every sodomite-enabling pervert in America support:

Since 1915, the Boy Scouts have managed land within San Diego's Balboa Park. It has built a swimming pool, a 600-seat amphitheater, and a camping facility that accommodates 300. Camp Balboa serves some 12,000 Boy Scouts annually through daylong events and weekend sleepovers. The Scouts' tie to this land is a 50-year lease offered by the San Diego City Council and signed in 1957. In exchange for their stewardship — including private investment for maintenance and development — the Scouts hand the city an annual lease payment of $1.00.

This arrangement is too much for the ACLU to swallow. It sued the City of San Diego to expel the Boy Scouts from Balboa Park. The ACLU contends that the Scouts are a religious organization and thus should be dislodged from the facility. Never mind that the Scouts did not bar other groups from using the park. In fact, according to Hans Zeiger, an 18-year-old Eagle Scout who has written about this controversy, Balboa Park hosted last summer's San Diego Gay Pride Festival.

Clinton-appointed U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones deemed the Boy Scouts a religious organization last July and declared that their involvement with Balboa Park violated the separation of church and state. The ACLU used this ruling to secure a settlement wherein the City of San Diego canceled the Scouts' lease on the park, even though it did not expire until 2007 and, in fact, was extended in 2001 for 25 years.

And what isn't of course reported is the America-hating Marxist ACLU also scored $950,000 in attorneys fees and court costs, thus fleecing YOU THE TAXPAYER while deepening its pockets.

Isn't that nice?

In Manny's perverted world:

Boy Scouts of America: BAD

N.A.M.B.L.A: GOOD



Got that, folks?

Now c'mon...aside from BIG COERCIVE GOVT, what do the Baby Stalinists on the left actually BUILD and PRODUCE?

Huh? We know they're great at TEARING DOWN AMERICA to further their own sick perverted political agendas.

But what do they actually BUILD AND PRODUCE?

Can anyone name anything good about these sick perverts?

[MannyLovitto]

Originally Posted by tank

Joe you know an awful lot about NAMBLA you are starting to scare me here.

Mark keeps up with all the Homosexual Agenda, doncha know

And as Master of the Straw Man argument, he dreams that one of us might express an endorsement for the message of NAMBLA

[MannyLovitto]

Mark, don't you think your time would be better spent marching on Ottawa to get your fellow Canadians to renounce legal marriage for Sodomites?

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by MannyLovitto

Mark keeps up with all the Homosexual Agenda, doncha know

And as Master of the Straw Man argument, he dreams that one of us might express an endorsement for the message of NAMBLA

"Straw Man"



Is that why you waste so much time STALKING me -- because I know how to EXPOSE your perverted left wing agenda that is destroying my country?

Sorry , you do morally and financially support NAMBLA because the ACLU defended them.

You support a sick America-hating perverted organization that actually posts it's techniques designed to lure boys into having sex with men and also supplies viewers information on what an adult should do if caught.

You support an organization who trains it's members how to rape children and get away with it. They distribute child pornography and trade live children among their own members for the purpose of having sex with them.

Why do you support/endorse pedophilia, "Manny"?

Why do you support an organization (ACLU) that offered material support to those who openly preach pedophilia and arguably encourage kidnapping, rape, and murder?

And on the flip side, why do you support a group that was founded by Marxists and remains so energetically hostile to a traditional American organization that tries to turn boys into men, with sex alien to the process (The Boy Scouts of America), "Manny"?

What gives you the legal and moral right to frame any sexual perversion that suits your fancy into a struggle for "civil rights", "Manny"?

Why do you hate America, "Manny"?

Why are you trying to destroy America, "Manny"?

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by tank

Joe you know an awful lot about NAMBLA you are starting to scare me here.

Good.

Scaring is good. That's what I like to do.

I have to confess, like John Walsh of America's Most Wanted, I get a woody EXPOSING AD GOING AFTER SCUM!!

WAKE UP!

Dealing with sodomites and their sodomite-enablers is as ugly and horrifying as working as a child porn cop...

Yet it must be done.

In fact, as you can see, both of these perversions are interrelated: misdirected sexual energy gone apeshit!

Your job as a responsible decent citizen is to stay informed and STAND UP AND DERAIL THE "MANNY" AGENDA IN WHATEVER CAPACITY YOU CAN!

So if you are shocked and horrified and 'scared'...bravo...your reaction is very healthy and righteous.

Now take this informative thread and redistribute it and cross-post in as many places as you possibly can.

Folks, THIS is what the Perez Hiltons and their sodomite-enablers are doing do your country -- and you probably aren't even aware of it.

[4625]

So--to be serious for only a moment, as these threads seldom merit any seriousness whatsoever--the wacky whim of our Keystone Kannuck is: because the ACLU has defended the right to unpopular free speech, persons who support the ACLU support the actions of persons who articulate unpopular speech? Haha. . .Of course, I wouldn't expect a self-loathing Kannuck who fantasizes about a Mussolini-type strongman to understand the contours of the United States Constitution. Only by defending the First Amendment from all detractors--no matter how well-meaning they may be--can the vitality of free speech be protected. I have located the announcement from the ACLU itself regarding this case, which was ultimately dismissed by the Court:
___________________________________________________

ACLU Statement on Defending Free Speech of Unpopular Organizations (8/31/2000)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.
What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.
It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.



http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/prote...s20000831.html


__________________________________________________


I bet our totalitarian-loving Torontan did not know that the ACLU also protected the free speech rights of his admired political organizations: the Klan and the Nazis. . .

[MannyLovitto]

So What you're saying Mark is that all these hours you're burning posting your hot political opinions on a sports handicapping web forum, you're personally keeping pedophiles at bay within your neighboring USA?

Well then, by all means, keep on posting. The four people who read this thread will surely rush out and tell four friends each and then those four will each rush out to tell four and soon your neighbors in the USA will have flushed out all those evil NAMBLA members.

And to think it all started with a single homophobic ranting thread by a Canadian in Toronto.

Amazing world we have...

[4625]

Originally Posted by Joe Contrarian

EXPOSING AD GOING AFTER SCUM!!

WAKE UP!

STAND UP AND DERAIL THE "MANNY" AGENDA IN WHATEVER CAPACITY YOU CAN!

THIS

You can just feel Lil' Joey's itch to use some zany colors here to support the "creative" font treatments, but didn't because he knows we like it. . .

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by 4625

So--to be serious for only a moment, as these threads seldom merit any seriousness whatsoever--the wacky whim of our Keystone Kannuck is: because the ACLU has defended the right to unpopular free speech, persons who support the ACLU support the actions of persons who articulate unpopular speech? Haha. . .Of course, I wouldn't expect a self-loathing Kannuck who fantasizes about a Mussolini-type strongman to understand the contours of the United States Constitution. Only by defending the First Amendment from all detractors--no matter how well-meaning they may be--can the vitality of free speech be protected. I have located the announcement from the ACLU itself regarding this case, which was ultimately dismissed by the Court:

Oh, that's nice.

So everything under the cover of the holy "First Amendment"?

Yell "fire" in a crowded theater -- the Marxist ACLU will defend you.

Hurray!

Distribute national security documents on a website that could kill thousands of Americans -- the Marxist ACLU will defend you.

(Ditto for bomb making instructions.)

The Marxists also adore coddling 9/11 masterminds like Khaled Shikh Mohammed, Ramzi Bin Al Sheeb and -- I forget other guy's name -- who were caught trying to MURDER Americans and who's information under coercion thwarted further attacks.

And of course -- Manny's favorite -- step by step guides on how to abduct, molest and discard young boys.

Meanwhile, suing the Boy Scouts of America....what provision is that covered by again?

As pointed out by 4625, the case was tossed.

BUT...the ACLU (and "Manny") supported it -- EXACTLY the point.

The ACLU (and Manny") use their funds, favored tax status and clout to bully people and organizations who don't happen to share their perverted worldview -- whether the cases make it to court or not is irrelevant.

Why?

Because intimidation ($$$$) is often enough to cower those with fewer resources to defend themselves.

The owners of E-Harmony (not exactly lacking in cash) can vouch the pernicious, perverted nature of the sodomites and their sodomite-enablers.

And sheep like 4625 just hum along...as if these Marxists have America's best interests at heart.

No way!

Never!

They are radical!

They are dangerous!

They aren't all about "live and let live"...

Every every sodomite and EVERY sodomite-enabler is a direct THREAT to your liberty!

[MannyLovitto]

Is it just Me, or does the little photo image of the guy who wrote the lead article make him look pretty fucking gay himself?

[MannyLovitto]

Mark frets: Oh, that's nice.

So everything under the cover of the holy "First Amendment"?

Manny: Nope. Not everything. But nearly everything, yes.

===
Mark: Yell "fire" in a crowded theater -- the Marxist ACLU will defend you.

Manny: Well if there's an actual fire in a crowded theatre, I would sure hope so.

===
Mark: Distribute national security documents on a website that could kill thousands of Americans -- the Marxist ACLU will defend you.

Manny: When that happens, it will be interesting to see if the ACLU becomes involved.

===
Mark: (Ditto for bomb making instructions.)

Manny: What if the bomb is being constructed for self defense against invading Islamic radicals or raging pedophile Sodomites? Wouldn't it be handy to have step by step instructions?

[MannyLovitto]

MARK rages: Every every sodomite and EVERY sodomite-enabler is a direct THREAT to your liberty!

Manny: Being that oral sex is considered a form of sodomy, do I need to be on the lookout for women who give blow jobs? Are they out to take away my liberty too??

What about fellas that go down on women? I suppose they're in on the Plot as well.

Sigh....

So many enemies....so little time to fend them all off

[4625]

Damn, I only need a "teleprompter" and a "birth certificate" to hit the trifecta in this thread too. . .