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Originally Posted by Lib and Proud

I hear they have reactivated the Gay brigade , of which I Know you are the chief intelligence officer

Toejamskists - self serving liars Blame Palestinians For Johnsonist Attacks !!!

I would not believe Toejamsky if she said Day was light and dark was night.

Did you know that the Geneva Conventions - which the Johsonists ratified in 1951 - prohibit using military force against civilians ??? But then, when you are a Johnsonists , rules never apply to you !!!

Do not believe me just ask CrapperJed or Fatnannatank !!!


In the Bible, Goliath of Gath was a Philistine, the people from whom today’s Palestinians are descended. Ironically, the Palestinians of Gaza now find themselves in the position of David, facing a giant…

Bush blames Hamas for Gaza conflict.

(Yes the same Bush looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq)

Funny how he forgets how the self righteous Johnsonists blockade food , medicines and other vital goods from Gaza. An unjustified act of war in itself…

Inspired by the Johnsonist nonsense statements..... Toejamky praises attacks on innocent helpless Arab civilians . Always a legitimate targets in the Johnsonists way of conducting warfare.

In war, whether it is a world war or a war of revolution, guerrilla insurgents and partisans must use whatever means they have available to resist tyranny. If Hamas had the same conventional and nuclear weapons arsenal at their disposal that their Johnsonists oppressors have, they wouldn’t have to use crude rockets launched over their border defend themselves. Likewise, they wouldn’t have to use slingshots and rocks against tanks and attack helicopters, if they had their own. The U.S. government with ample support of many brain dead American sheep tax dollars. Provide those high-tech weapons of mass destruction and slaughter to the rabid Toejamskists terrorist state . If rambling out both sides of his mouth imbecile Frannie Johnson wants the Palestinians to “ fight fair ” . Then the Palestinians should be armed fairly and equally as the Johnsonists.

Otherwise, blaming Hamas and the Palestinians for fighting back against an overwhelming enemy however they can would be like blaming a rape victim for scratching her attacker while he held her down. But then, since when have the Johnsonists or their Sappy Shabbas Goy lackies in the west cared anything about double standards…or the lives of non-johnsonists ???

Many American politicians are firmly in the pocket of the AIPAC. 0r they are dual citizens of Toejamland such as Bloomberg, Lieberman or Feinstein etc.etc.etc. There are at least 11 Johnsonist Senators out of 100. Very good for a group that is less then 2% of the American population !!! Just see all Johnsonists appointments to the Messiah Obama's cabinet .


The average stupid American lemming never realize that they hand over 3 billion a year to Toejamland of tax dollars. That America manufactures and paid for those bombs that the Johnsonists are now dropping on the Palestinians in Gaza, nor do they know the history of the region nor do they have any idea who Rachel Corrie is or how she was murdered. Run over by a bulldozer paid for by the dumb American tax payer.

If you have been watching Fox News or CNN today you would think that America was invading Gaza, that is how saturated the American media is with this illegal war. All part of well planned out & executed effort to make Americans think they somehow are part of the Johnsonist Nation. And of course every 10 minutes there is another Toejamist or American Johnsonist unchallenged source reaffirming the righteousness of the Toejamland forces and the absolute evilness of Arabs . Toejamland is always the first state in the union .

Nothing these criminal scum Johnsonists get up to surprises me. Nor is it surprising is that the Western world is apparently blind to the crimes against humanity committed right under its nose. The Johnsonists have vast control over governments , main stream media & internet .

How do you know Toejamsky is lying her lips are moving !!!

My thoughts and prayers go out to the harmless Palestinians civilians, especially the dozens of innocent children maimed and murdered, all in the name of the criminal Johnsonists state's so-called " security ".

[Toejamsky]

It really doesn't take such a long winded diatribe to summarize the deal. Israel let 'em have gaza back though it's about as close as pasadena to santa monica and they started firing missles at civilians. Wouldn't stop. Haven't stopped. Israeli response, especially with Jihadist hiding behind and among civilians, assures civilian casualties.

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What diatribe Franny ???

To much for you to read & comprehend lil' girl ???

With all those big words bandied about you should try using a dictionary it will make the tome go much faster and easier to understand for nitwits like yourself.

Or are you upset that someone has the chutzpah to challenge the bile you set forth as fact ??? How can anyone in the whole world have the seer audacity to challenge the Johnsonist elite party line ???

Do not worry the vast majority of moronic masses in the USA have not one hint as to the evil shenanigans the greedy Johsonist tribalist are conducting every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year....year after year after year after year......

Rest easy pathetic one !!!

Toejam Johnson your secrets are safe from the sound sleeping American public. Keep typing your gross fabrications there is a sucker born every minute.

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Originally Posted by Toejamsky

It really doesn't take such a long winded diatribe to summarize the deal. Israel let 'em have gaza back though it's about as close as pasadena to santa monica and they started firing missles at civilians. Wouldn't stop. Haven't stopped. Israeli response, especially with Jihadist hiding behind and among civilians, assures civilian casualties.

Toejamsky;
You'd like to distort reality by offering up a simple explanation of a complex process which led up to the current events happening in Gaza today,but it's just not so.
3 years ago Israel removed all Jewish settlers from Gaza,and from there-on have tightened the noose on the remaining 99.5% Palestinian population.
Lie #2 of 5 below,from a Foreign Policy Journal analysis, should adequately address your baseless claim about Hamas firing "missles" at civilians being a legitmate reason for the outsized Israeli assault on Gaza.In fact Israel violated the cease-fire on November 4th,2008,and things have escalated from there, this was part of Israel's strategic objective for Gaza as they needed pretexts to launch their aggression.

Top 5 Lies About Israel’s Assault on Gaza

January 3, 2009
by Jeremy R. Hammond
From:
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...t-on-gaza.html

Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.

The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated pieces of property in the world. The presence of militants within a civilian population does not, under international law, deprive that population of their protected status, and hence any assault upon that population under the guise of targeting militants is, in fact, a war crime.
Moreover, the people Israel claims are legitimate targets are members of Hamas, which Israel says is a terrorist organization. Hamas has been responsible for firing rockets into Israel. These rockets are extremely inaccurate and thus, even if Hamas intended to hit military targets within Israel, are indiscriminate by nature. When rockets from Gaza kill Israeli civilians, it is a war crime.

Hamas has a military wing. However, it is not entirely a military organization, but a political one. Members of Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people. Dozens of these elected leaders have been kidnapped and held in Israeli prisons without charge. Others have been targeted for assassination, such as Nizar Rayan, a top Hamas official. To kill Rayan, Israel targeted a residential apartment building. The strike not only killed Rayan but two of his wives and four of his children, along with six others. There is no justification for such an attack under international law. This was a war crime.

Other of Israel’s bombardment with protected status under international law have included a mosque, a prison, police stations, and a university, in addition to residential buildings.
Moreover, Israel has long held Gaza under siege, allowing only the most minimal amounts of humanitarian supplies to enter. Israel is bombing and killing Palestinian civilians. Countless more have been wounded, and cannot receive medical attention. Hospitals running on generators have little or no fuel. Doctors have no proper equipment or medical supplies to treat the injured. These people, too, are the victims of Israeli policies targeted not at Hamas or legitimate military targets, but directly designed to punish the civilian population.

Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.

Israel never observed the cease-fire to begin with. From the beginning, it announced a “special security zone” within the Gaza Strip and announced that Palestinians who enter this zone will be fired upon. In other words, Israel announced its intention that Israeli soldiers would shoot at farmers and other individuals attempting to reach their own land in direct violation of not only the cease-fire but international law.

Despite shooting incidents, including ones resulting in Palestinians getting injured, Hamas still held to the cease-fire from the time it went into effect on June 19 until Israel effectively ended the truce on November 4 by launching an airstrike into Gaza that killed five and injured several others.

Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December is being used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but is a direct response by militants to the Israeli attacks.

Israel's actions, including its violation of the cease-fire, predictably resulted in an escalation of rocket attacks against its own population.

Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.

There has been no evidence that Hamas has used human shields. The fact is, as previously noted, Gaza is a small piece of property that is densely populated. Israel engages in indiscriminate warfare such as the assassination of Nizar Rayan, in which members of his family were also murdered. It is victims like his dead children that Israel defines as “human shields” in its propaganda. There is no legitimacy for this interpretation under international law. In circumstances such as these, Hamas is not using human shields, Israel is committing war crimes in violation of the Geneva Conventions and other applicable international law.

Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.

The populations of those Arab countries are outraged at Israel’s actions and at their own governments for not condemning Israel’s assault and acting to end the violence. Simply stated, the Arab governments do not represent their respective Arab populations. The populations of the Arab nations have staged mass protests in opposition to not only Israel's actions but also the inaction of their own governments and what they view as either complacency or complicity in Israel's crimes.

Moreover, the refusal of Arab nations to take action to come to the aid of the Palestinians is not because they agree with Israel’s actions, but because they are submissive to the will of the US, which fully supports Israel. Egypt, for instance, which refused to open the border to allow Palestinians wounded in the attacks to get medical treatment in Egyptian hospitals, is heavily dependent upon US aid, and is being widely criticized within the population of the Arab countries for what is viewed as an absolute betrayal of the Gaza Palestinians.

Even Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been regarded as a traitor to his own people for blaming Hamas for the suffering of the people of Gaza. Palestinians are also well aware of Abbas' past perceived betrayals in conniving with Israel and the US to sideline the democratically elected Hamas government, culminating in a counter-coup by Hamas in which it expelled Fatah (the military wing of Abbas' Palestine Authority) from the Gaza Strip. While his apparent goal was to weaken Hamas and strengthen his own position, the Palestinians and other Arabs in the Middle East are so outraged at Abbas that it is unlikely he will be able to govern effectively.

Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.

Israel claims it sent radio and telephone text messages to residents of Gaza warning them to flee from the coming bombardment. But the people of Gaza have nowhere to flee to. They are trapped within the Gaza Strip. It is by Israeli design that they cannot escape across the border. It is by Israeli design that they have no food, water, or fuel by which to survive. It is by Israeli design that hospitals in Gaza have no electricity and few medical supplies with which to treat the injured and save lives. And Israel has bombed vast areas of Gaza, targeting civilian infrastructure and other sites with protected status under international law. No place is safe within the Gaza Strip.

Jeremy R. Hammond is the editor of Foreign Policy Journal, a website dedicated to providing news, critical analysis, and opinion commentary on U.S. foreign policy from outside of the standard framework offered by government officials and the mainstream corporate media, particularly with regard to the "war on terrorism" and events in the Middle East. He has also written for numerous other online publications. You can contact him at jeremy@foreignpolicyjournal.com.

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The sooner Hamas and its supporters are wiped out the sooner the idiots here will stop making believe they support them. If that includes killing every man, woman & child in Gaza then let the bombs fall and bullets fly. Hamas knows how to stop it, the UN understands it, and the world is waiting to see just how dumb those Muslims are (like we haven't seen this idiocy before). BOOM!

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Sounds like we have another lying Johnsonist Arab hater on this board !!! Well if the murdering Toejamsky Shoes fits wear it well fellow terror-monger !!!

Yes we have seen this idiocy before , all coming from that same criminal entity.

Keep parroting the Johsonist party line . There is a world full of ignorant fools who accept the old tried & true Johnsonist fairy tales hook , line & sinker !!!

Too bad the Johnsonist know not when to stop.

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Originally Posted by reanimator

The sooner Hamas and its supporters are wiped out the sooner the idiots here will stop making believe they support them. If that includes killing every man, woman & child in Gaza then let the bombs fall and bullets fly. Hamas knows how to stop it, the UN understands it, and the world is waiting to see just how dumb those Muslims are (like we haven't seen this idiocy before). BOOM!

At least we know the idiots aren't confined to the Muslim world, yours is an excellent example to give to The Munchkin Man to disprove his belief that abortion is wrong.

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wow ... I have put that guy on Ignore feature ...

Class ... real class comment by Brit Hume's Pool boy

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yours is an excellent example to give to The Munchkin Man to disprove his belief that abortion is wrong.

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Originally Posted by reanimator

The sooner Hamas and its supporters are wiped out the sooner the idiots here will stop making believe they support them. If that includes killing every man, woman & child in Gaza then let the bombs fall and bullets fly. Hamas knows how to stop it, the UN understands it, and the world is waiting to see just how dumb those Muslims are (like we haven't seen this idiocy before). BOOM!

reanimator,
At least you come clean with your true feelings,and how you would like the Gaza situation resolved,in a "final solution" kinda way.
There's a difference in being against a war of aggression,and violations of international law in this case,and also in Iraq;and ultimately supporting the parties who're being violated.
I personally wouldn't want to live in a land ruled by Muslim Sharia law[or any "theocratic" society],but Israel today is a gross distortion of a democracy too,and the citizens there-of must feel disoriented by the contradictions they face regurlarly.
Support is dependent on circumstances,and subject to change.

Background information from:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islsharia.htm

Sharia Law - source and definitions:

The term "Sharia" (a.k.a. Shari'a) literally means "the path to a watering hole." The Guardian newspaper in the UK describes Sharia as: "... a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians." ₁ It is used to refer both to the Islamic system of law and the totality of the Islamic way of life. Sharia is derived both from:

Sharia law: founders and schools:

Perhaps the two greatest original founders of Sharia law were Malik ibn Anas and Ibn al-Shaf'i. Anas established the Maliki school of jurisprudence. Al-Shaf'i was one of Anas' students; he disagreed with his teacher about the reliability of the hadith. He felt that it was necessary to trace each hadith from the time of Muhammad through its chain of devout Muslims. This concern led to Islamic scholars considering "... which hadith were true and which were not." Needless to say this led to conflicts among scholars as to the proper application of Sharia law.
Ibn al-Shafi'i promoted the use of additional sources for Shari'a law:


There are four main schools of Sharia law:

What applies within one school of Sharia law does not necessarily apply in the other schools. For example, the Maliki Law School accepts evidence of pregnancy as proof that an unmarried woman has either committed adultery or been raped. The other schools "... do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina [Adultery]." ₃

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There are currently 27 violent conflicts going on around the world, and 24 of them involve Islamic terrorists/Muslim Fundamentalists.

Now, what was that reason for believing those animals shouldn't be wiped off the face of the earth??

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Originally Posted by reanimator

There are currently 27 violent conflicts going on around the world, and 24 of them involve Islamic terrorists/Muslim Fundamentalists.

Now, what was that reason for believing those animals shouldn't be wiped off the face of the earth??

The planet would be much better off without ALL humans!

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Originally Posted by ZZ CREAM

The planet would be much better off without ALL humans!

It's only slightly amazing that the warped liberal loon mind, when pinned up against the wall with common sense, either whines & cries foul, wimps away a defeated little soul, pretends it "didn't just happen that way", or escapes through some obscure back door.

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Originally Posted by reanimator

It's only slightly amazing that the warped liberal loon mind, when pinned up against the wall with common sense, either whines & cries foul, wimps away a defeated little soul, pretends it "didn't just happen that way", or escapes through some obscure back door.

Let me know when you have any kind of sense, common or otherwise.

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Hit the nail on the head with that one or shall I say the imbecile on the noggin !!!

Truth Hurts

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Originally Posted by ZZ CREAM

Let me know when you have any kind of sense, common or otherwise.

And let me know when you stop trying to slip out the back and finally find the high road.

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More oddities in the U.S. "debate" over Israel/Gaza

Even for those insisting that Israel's attack on Gaza is both wise and just, what possible interest does the U.S. have in involving itself so directly in this dispute?

Extreme emotional and cultural identification with one side leads people to believe that X is good when done by them and evil when done to them.

Sunday Jan. 4, 2009 06:10 EST

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...ism/index.html
Selective Terrorism, and Israel/Gaza

(updated below)
Former McCain-Palin campaign spokesman and current Weekly Standard editor Michael Goldfarb notes that Israel, a couple of days ago, dropped a 2,000-pound bomb on a Gazan home which killed a top Hamas leader . . . in addition to 18 others, including his four wives and nine of his children. About the killing of those innocent civilians, Goldfarb writes (h/t John Cole via email):

The fight against Islamic radicals always seems to come around to whether or not they can, in fact, be deterred, because it's not clear that they are rational, at least not like us. But to wipe out a man's entire family, it's hard to imagine that doesn't give his colleagues at least a moment's pause. Perhaps it will make the leadership of Hamas rethink the wisdom of sparking an open confrontation with Israel under the current conditions.

That, of course, is just a slightly less profane version of Marty Peretz's chest-beating proclamation that the great value of the attack on Gaza is to teach those Arabs a lesson: "do not fuck with the Jews."

There are few concepts more elastic and subject to exploitation than "Terrorism," the all-purpose justifying and fear-mongering term. But if it means anything, it means exactly the mindset which Goldfarb is expressing: slaughtering innocent civilians in order to "send a message," to "deter" political actors by making them fear that continuing on the same course will result in the deaths of civilians and -- best of all, from the Terrorist's perspective -- even their own children and other family members.
To the Terrorist, by definition, that innocent civilians and even children are killed isn't a regrettable cost of taking military action. It's not a cost at all. It's a benefit. It has strategic value. Goldfarb explicitly says this: "to wipe out a man's entire family, it's hard to imagine that doesn't give his colleagues at least a moment's pause."

That, of course, is the very same logic that leads Hamas to send suicide bombers to slaughter Israeli teenagers in pizza parlors and on buses and to shoot rockets into their homes. It's the logic that leads Al Qaeda to fly civilian-filled airplanes into civilian-filled office buildings. And it's the logic that leads infinitely weak and deranged people like Goldfarb and Peretz to find value in the killing of innocent Palestinians, including -- one might say, at least in Goldfarb's case: especially -- children.

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One should be clear that this sociopathic indifference to (or even celebration over) the deaths of Palestinian civilians isn't representative of all supporters of the Israeli attack on Gaza. It's unfair to use the Goldfarb/Peretz pathology to impugn all supporters of the Israeli attack. It's certainly possible to support the Israeli offensive despite the deaths of these civilians, to truly lament the suffering of innocent Palestinians but still find the war, on balance, to be justifiable.

Those who favor the attack on Gaza due to that calculus are certainly misguided about the likely outcome. And many war supporters who fall into this more benign category are guilty of insufficiently weighing the deaths of Palestinian innocents and, relatedly, of such overwhelming emotional and cultural attachment to Israel and Israelis that they long ago ceased viewing this conflict with any remnant of objectivity.

I can't express how many emails I've received in the last week from people identifying themselves as "liberals" (and, overwhelmingly, American Jews); telling me that they agree with my views in almost all areas other than Israel; and then self-righteously insisting that I imagine what it's like to live in Southern Israel with incoming rocket fire from Hamas, as though that will change my views on the Israel/Gaza war. Obviously, it's not difficult to imagine the understandable rage that Israelis feel when learning of another attack on Israeli civilians, in exactly the way that American rage over the 9/11 attacks was understandable. But just as that American anger didn't justify anything and everything that followed, the fact that there are indefensible attacks on Israeli civilians doesn't render the (far more lethal) attacks on Gaza either wise or just -- as numerous Jewish residents of Sderot themselves are courageously arguing in opposing the Israeli attack.

More to the point: for those who insist that others put themselves in the position of a resident of Sderot -- as though that will, by itself, prove the justifiability of the Israeli attack -- the idea literally never occurs to them that they ought to imagine what it's like to live under foreign occupation for 4 decades (and, despite the 2005 "withdrawal from Gaza," Israel continues to occupy and expand its settlements on Palestinian land and to control and severely restrict many key aspects of Gazan life). No thought is given to what it is like, what emotions it generates, what horrible acts start to appear justifiable, when you have a hostile foreign army control your borders and airspace and internal affairs for 40 years, one which builds walls around you, imposes the most intensely humiliating conditions on your daily life, blockades your land so that you're barred from exiting and prevented from accessing basic nutrition and medical needs for your children to the point where a substantial portion of the underage population suffers from stunted growth.

So extreme is their emotional identification with one side (Israel) that it literally never occurs to them to give any thought to any of that, to imagine what it's like to live in those circumstances. Nor does this thought occur to them:

I was trained from an early age to view this group as my group, to identify with them emotionally, culturally, religiously. Maybe that -- and not an objective assessment of these events -- is why I continuously side with that group and see everything from its perspective and justify whatever it does, why I find the Dick Cheney/Weekly Standard/neoconservative worldview repellent in every situation except when it comes to Israel, when I suddenly find it wise and vigorously embrace it.

Those who defend American actions in every case, or who find justification in attacks on Israeli civilians, or who find simplistic moral clarity in a whole range of other complex and protracted disputes where all sides share infinite blame, are often guilty of the same refusal/inability to at least try to minimize this sort of ingrained tribalistic blindness.

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Still, there is a substantial difference between, on the one hand, basically well-intentioned people who are guilty of excessive emotional and cultural identification with one side of the dispute and, on the other, those who adopt the Goldfarb/Peretz psychopathic derangement of belittling rage over widespread civilian deaths as mere "whining" or even something to view as a strategic asset. The latter group is a subset of war supporters and evinces every defining attribute of the Terrorist.
Those who giddily support not just civilian deaths in Gaza but every actual and proposed attack on Arab/Muslim countries -- from the war in Iraq to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon to the proposed attacks on Iran and Syria and even continued escalation in Afghanistan -- are able to do so because they don't really see the Muslims they want to kill as being fully human. For obvious reasons, one typically finds this full-scale version of sociopathic indifference -- this perception of brutal war as a blood-pumping and exciting instrument for feeling vicarious sensations of power and strength from a safe distance -- in the society's weakest, most frightened, and most insecure individuals.

Here's right-wing blogger (and law professor) Glenn Reynolds revealing that wretched mindset for all to see:

“Cycles of violence” continue until one side wins decisively. Personally, I’d rather that were the Israelis, since they’re civilized people and not barbarians.

Or, as Goldfarb put it: "it's not clear that they are rational, at least not like us."
If you see Palestinians as something less than civilized human beings: as "barbarians" -- just as if you see Americans as infidels warring with God or Jews as sub-human rats -- then it naturally follows that civilian deaths are irrelevant, perhaps even something to cheer. For people who think that way, arguments about "proportionality" won't even begin to resonate -- such concepts can't even be understood -- because the core premise, that excessive civilian deaths are horrible and should be avoided at all costs, isn't accepted. Why should a superior, civilized, peaceful society allow the welfare of violent, hateful barbarians to interfere with its objectives? How can the deaths or suffering of thousands of barbarians ever be weighed against the death of even a single civilized person?

So many of these conflicts -- one might say almost all of them -- end up shaped by the same virtually universal deficiency: excessive tribalistic identification (i.e.: the group with which I was trained to identify is right and good and just and my group's enemy is bad and wrong and violent), which causes people to view the world only from the perspective of their side, to believe that X is good when they do it and evil when it's done to them. X can be torture, or the killing of civilians in order to "send a message" (i.e., Terrorism), or invading and occupying other people's land, or using massive lethal force against defenseless populations, or seeing one's own side as composed of real humans and the other side as sub-human, evil barbarians. As George Orwell wrote in Notes on Nationalism -- with perfect prescience to today's endless conflicts (h/t Hume's Ghost):

All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side ... The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them

For those who evaluate moral questions from that blindingly self-regarding perspective, anything and everything becomes easily justifiable.


UPDATE: The Israeli Supreme Court several days ago ordered the Government to allow reporters into Gaza, yet Israel continues to block all journalists from entering. The reason, as casual_observer notes in comments, is clear:

The reason Israel has done this must be that they will do whatever they must--including ignoring their own high court--to limit evidence that Gazans are indeed human beings and that they are suffering the horrors that occur when war is unleashed on densely-packed urban civilians.
Israel knows full well that reporting from Gaza turns Gazans from vague abstractions to suffering human beings. And they will not allow that reality to be communicated to the world.

Especially in the American media, there is a constant focus on the effects on civilians from the rocket attacks on Southern Israelis -- as well there should be, since that is an important part of the debate. But everyone should also be permitted to view the devastating effects on actual human beings from these Israeli bombing and artillery raids in Gaza. This truly horrific video -- purportedly of a recent Israeli bombing of a civilian Gazan market -- has been widely cited. I can't and don't vouch for its authenticity (UPDATE: there's good reason to believe it's not from an Israeli attack), but it's certainly reflective of the carnage in Gaza. It's much easier to undervalue the suffering imposed on The Other when you don't have to see it.

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G.K. ..... I didn't need to read the article:

Former McCain-Palin campaign spokesman


ANYONE REPRESENTING THAT PSYCHO AIP ANIMAL ABUSER OUT OF ALASKA HAS ZIPPO CREDIBILITY


PALIN IS ONE INDIVIDUAL I WISH WOULD GET THROWN INTO A CAGE OF HUNGRY WOLVES FOR THE ABUSE SHE LOVES THAT IS DONE TO THESE MAJESTIC ANIMALS ....

[ironmike67]

The Bubble of Middle-East Dominance

by William Norman Grigg
by William Norman Grigg

As is the case whenever Israel conducts a major military campaign, the ongoing IDF assault on Gaza – which has annihilated hundreds of non-combatants, including children – has flushed the bigots out of the brush.
One particularly notorious specimen encapsulated the message sent by Israel’s strike against Hamas in terms that should resonate among die-hard anti-Semites: "Do not f**k with the Jews."
That sentiment was not put into play by a neo-Nazi or someone else plagued by similar obsessions. It was Martin Peretz, editor-in-chief of The New Republic, self-appointed authority on matters of ethnic etiquette, and Al Gore’s Harvard-era academic Pygmalion, who blessed the blogosphere with that elegantly phrased insight.
What Peretz wrote could quite easily have fallen from the lips or flowed from the fingers of David Duke or someone else of his persuasion. If it had, Peretz – from whose exacting scrutiny no public figure is exempt, not even his precious Prince Albert – would probably have accused the author of trafficking in invidious stereotypes regarding "Jewish power." But Peretz himself is obsessed with that subject, at least as it pertains to the power wielded by the Israeli government – which he apparently considers the embodiment of the Jewish collective identity.
Peretz is fixated on the preservation of the power of the Israeli State. And as left-leaning journalist Eric Alterman observed in a critical profile, the policy options preferred by Peretz "almost always [mean] more war" – not only between Israel and the Palestinians, or Israel and an insufficiently docile neighbor, but also between Washington and any of Israel’s enemies that is seen as a bit too big for the Israeli government to handle on its own. And like many other commentators who share his priorities, Peretz has been careful to limit his involvement in wars of any kind to the role of spectator.
Rush Limbaugh famously declared that feminism was invented "to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society." In similar fashion it sometimes seems as if Zionism has degenerated into little more than a vicarious celebration of Israeli militarism, thereby offering flabby, pasty-faced nebbishes like Martin Peretz, Bill Kristol, and Michael Medved a way to indulge their fantasies of being shtarkers.
People of this ilk don’t live in Israel or serve in the military of any country, so they don’t have to deal directly with the bloody business of the wars they incite and applaud. From the comfortable distance of several thousand miles and two continents they grind out pseudo-tough guy rhetoric from computer keyboards, or plant their well-fed tuchises on comfortable chairs in radio or television studios and belch self-satisfied homilies about the virtue of sending other people’s children out to kill and die on behalf of a distant and thoroughly disreputable State.
A couple of years ago, venturing with some reluctance into a subject I wouldn’t address had it not been thrust upon me, I presented an outsider’s perspective on Zionism, as well as two kinds of Judaism:
Religious Judaism, as I see it, is centered in the worship of God. Its defining text was delivered at Sinai.
Cultural Judaism, by way of contrast, is based on the worship of a people. It has much less to do with Sinai than with Seinfeld.
Zionism, which draws from both of the above, is the worship of a political State.
Zionism, which began as a 19th Century secular collectivist movement, has come to define not only the Jewish view of politics and religion, but is the dominant perspective within much of Evangelical Christianity. It planted the axioms that govern any discussion of Middle Eastern affairs, either in religious or secular political circles.
Yet there is little, if any, appreciation for the lethal paradox Zionism represents to those concerned about the survival of the Jewish people: The movement summoned into existence a Jewish State supposedly to provide a refuge for the Jewish people, yet Israelis enjoy a precarious existence as citizens of what is routinely described as a tiny, perpetually imperiled Middle Eastern country.
"For 2,000 years," observes Charles Krauthammer, "Jews found protection in dispersion – protection not for individual communities, which were routinely persecuted and massacred, but protection for the Jewish people as a whole. Decimated here, they could survive there.... Hitler put an end to that illusion. He demonstrated that modern anti-Semitism married to modern technology – railroads, disciplined bureaucracies, gas chambers that kill with industrial efficiency – could take a scattered people and 'concentrate' them for annihilation."
The "cruel historical irony" of modern Israel, Krauthammer continues, is that creation of the Jewish State "required concentration – putting all the eggs back in one basket, a tiny territory hard by the Mediterranean, eight miles wide at its waist. A tempting target for those who would finish Hitler's work."
Israel’s demographic and geographic vulnerability are constantly invoked by those who believe that the US Government – and, therefore, the people from whom that entity plunders the necessary resources – must, as a matter of moral duty, ensure the survival of the Jewish State.
The unexamined corollary to that demand – indeed, it is all but a criminal offense to discuss such corollaries in public, at least here in the putative Land of the Free – is that Jews are uniquely imperiled by living in Israel. What this means is that Israel may actually be a net liability to the Jewish people, as well as an avoidable burden for the American public at large.
I am an agnostic regarding the claim that the State of Israel, as it presently exists, is the fulfillment of the pious desires of ancient prophets and martyrs. But I am convinced to the point of moral certainty that Israel has no legitimate claim on our tax dollars or military aid, and that Washington’s subsidy of Israel has been an unalloyed disaster for both Israel and the region.
The ongoing stream of financial and material aid to Israel has created a uniquely damaging form of moral hazard. The amount of aid grows in proportion to the perceived threat to Israel. At the same time, Washington doles out aid to the Palestinian "leadership," generally favoring the worst and most corrupt elements within that population. Tax dollars are also used to slop the foreign aid troughs of such governments as Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, and of course, "liberated" Iraq.
Buy-offs of this kind are justified as part of the "peace process," but they actually create a perverse incentive to sustain the violence, or at least the threat thereof: If peace were actually to break out, the rationale for that aid would disappear.
There is a sense in which Washington’s aid to Israel is akin to such museum-quality examples of government stupidity as FEMA’s flood insurance program, which encourages people to build homes in flood plains, or the role played by government-sponsored entities such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in underwriting and securitizing bad mortgage loans. All of those programs subsidize risky behavior, and socialize the costs when that behavior leads to disaster.
Israel’s punitive military excursion into Gaza is a splendid example of the same kind of subsidized foolishness, this time in international rather than domestic affairs.
Gaza is the world’s largest prison camp; an Israeli embargo prevents the Gazans from obtaining most of the necessities of life. Once ruled by Yasser Arafat’s Fatah Party, the Gazans are now ruled by Hamas, a terrorist-dominated "independence movement" that was created with help from Israeli intelligence to be a "counterweight" to Arafat’s movement.
Intermittent rocket attacks into Israel by Hamas cadres provided the pretext for the current Israeli war on Gaza. These attacks are not "resistance" to the Israeli government’s suffocating blockade of Gaza; they are cynical, damnable terrorist assaults on Israeli citizens – carried out, ironically, by elements of a movement created and sustained by the Israeli government itself.
The Israeli government and its defenders describe the Hamas missile attacks as a violation of a cease-fire agreement and, therefore, proof that the population of Gaza is incorrigibly committed to violence. But the current Israeli campaign was planned more than six months ago – before the cease-fire even went into effect. Had Hamas not been stupid enough to fire a handful of largely useless rockets into Israel, some other provocation would have been arranged to justify the invasion of Gaza.
Just War principles do not require a strictly proportionate response to an attack. However, there is a point where punitive action taken in self-defense becomes aggression, and aggression becomes a slaughter.
In this case, the Israeli military is waging a clearly indiscriminate war against a helpless civilian population. And this is being done as part of a punitive mission that will not end, or significantly reduce, the ability of Hamas to conduct minimally damaging rocket attacks into Israel – a fact at least some supporters of the Israeli action consider proof of the IDF’s insufficient ruthlessness.
Waging war in this fashion is politically profitable for elements of both the Israeli government and the Palestinian leadership. This reflects a durable, and carefully concealed, symbiosis described by Ben Cramer in his immensely important book How Israel Lost.
One illustration of that symbiosis mentioned by Cramer is the creation by the Mossad of Hamas, which nurtured the cult of suicide bombing and has killed hundreds of Israelis since 1988. While this was supposedly done to provide a "counter-weight" to Arafat, the Israeli establishment maintained intimate ties with him, as well – even as Israelis and Palestinians were dying by the hundreds in a supposedly irrepressible conflict.
"The PA's slimy business intersects with Israeli business at the highest levels of Israeli political life," wrote Cramer with palpable disgust. "Things are not as they seem."
Cramer illustrated this cynical "understanding" by highlighting the relationship between Israeli-owned Dor Energy and the PLO-operated Palestinian fuel monopoly. Dor's petroleum depot was a large, conspicuous target on the border with Gaza, re-supplied at regular, predictable intervals by large, slow-moving fuel tankers. In any of the numerous Israeli military strikes on Gaza, both the depot and the trucks would make irresistible targets. Yet, owing to the deal arranged between power-brokers on both sides of the conflict, neither the depot nor any of the tankers has ever been hit.
By far the most lucrative "arrangement," Cramer explains, is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict itself, in which outbreaks of violence are timed to serve the political interests of leaders on both sides.
Prior to his death in November 2004, Arafat’s popularity "in opinion polls [would often] teeter near nowhere – invisibility – until his rescue by Israeli action against him," Cramer points out. The same was true of Ariel Sharon: "If his polls dropped, something terrible happened – dead Jews all over the TV," and his political fortunes would rise.
Exactly the same cynical game is afoot now in the latest bloodletting in Gaza. The present conflict, recall, was being planned six months ago, and is being played for political advantage by the incumbent Israeli government.
Once it’s understood that the Israeli-Palestinian blood feud is, in some ways, a scripted exercise akin to a professional wrestling "match" – albeit one on a much bigger scale, with real injury and death – then it’s easy to understand why peace is so elusive. Those in charge of the Israeli State, and those who aspire to run the embryonic Palestinian State, simply find the conflict too politically and materially profitable to abandon, despite the horrors it inflicts on the victims of their misrule.
"Why is there no peace?" asks Cramer. "Who wants one?"
It is impossible to see how this murderous charade could continue without the financial and material intervention of Washington. Were the U.S. to do what our Constitution and founding principles require – withdraw all subsidies and support from both sides of the conflict – the perverse incentives that propel much of this conflict would be removed.
U.S. withdrawal wouldn’t palliate ancient ethno-religious grievances, or those of a more recent vintage rooted in the dispossession of the Palestinians. But it would force the antagonists to make a more realistic accounting of the actual costs of the conflict, which might prod them to make the kind of grudging, halting, agonizingly reluctant material overtures that eventually lead to peace.
Of course, American withdrawal is going to happen anyway when the destruction of the dollar is consummated, a fact that should not be lost on those interested in Israel's survival. That nation's ability to dominate its rivals militarily is the geo-strategic equivalent of a particularly pernicious investment bubble, one that has distorted Israel's priorities and discouraged it from creating a security framework on assumptions that don't involve leveraging U.S. power on its behalf.
The bubble of U.S.-Israeli dominance in the Middle East will burst as soon as the fiat dollar's global hegemony ends.

January 8,

[diggin'4gold]

Originally Posted by reanimator

The sooner Hamas and its supporters are wiped out the sooner the idiots here will stop making believe they support them. If that includes killing every man, woman & child in Gaza then let the bombs fall and bullets fly. Hamas knows how to stop it, the UN understands it, and the world is waiting to see just how dumb those Muslims are (like we haven't seen this idiocy before). BOOM!

US veto blocks UN anti-Israel resolution
Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:17:23 GMT
The UN Security Council has been unable to force an end to Israeli attacks against Gaza due to the intervention of the United States.

Washington once again used its veto powers on Sunday to block a resolution calling for an end to the massive ongoing Israeli attacks against the Gaza Strip.

The council has only been able to issue a 'non-binding' statement that calls on Israel to voluntarily bring all its military activities in the besieged region to an immediate end.

The statement comes as Israel has begun a fresh wave of air strikes on Gaza on Sunday, killing at least six people. At least 230 people were killed and 800 wounded in similar attacks on Saturday. The number of Palestinians deaths has so far risen to 271.

The council called on the parties to address the humanitarian crisis in the territory but has not criticized the Israeli air attacks.

Croatian UN Ambassador Neven Jurica read out the non-binding statement on behalf of the 15-member body that "called for an immediate halt to all violence" and on the parties "to stop immediately all military activities."

"The members of the Security Council expressed serious concern at the escalation of the situation in Gaza," he said, as the president of the council.

The council also requested the opening of border crossings into Gaza to address the serious humanitarian and economic needs in Gaza and to ensure medical treatment and a continuous supply of food and fuel.

US representative to the UNSC, Zalmay Khalilzad, defended the Israeli move, saying Tel Aviv has the right to self-defense.

"I regret the loss of any of all innocent life," he said, adding that Hamas rockets precipitated this situation.

Palestinian fighters in the Gaza Strip say they fire rockets into Israel in retaliation for the daily Israeli attacks against them. Unlike the state-of-the-art Israeli weapons and ammunition, the home-made Qassam rockets rarely cause casualties.

The US, a staunch ally to Israel, has so far vetoed over 40 anti-Israeli resolutions sought by the council since 1972.

Since 2004, Washington has prevented the adoption of four other resolutions that called for Tel Aviv to halt its operations in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202

[reanimator]

Any resolution proposed by the UN is anti-Israel. God Bless the USA for vetoing each and every anti-semetic motion by that group of commies!!

[diggin'4gold]

Originally Posted by reanimator

Any resolution proposed by the UN is anti-Israel. God Bless the USA for vetoing each and every anti-semetic motion by that group of commies!!

Oh yeah, every person on the face of the Earth is anti-israel, it just doesn't make any sense at all, the most loving, the most kindest, the most generous, the most humanitarian peoples on the face of the Earth and everyone is always against them, make you wonder what is the root of all this hate, why would anyone dislike such honest, hard working, fair minded peoples?

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by diggin'4gold

Oh yeah, every person on the face of the Earth is anti-israel, it just doesn't make any sense at all, the most loving, the most kindest, the most generous, the most humanitarian peoples on the face of the Earth and everyone is always against them, make you wonder what is the root of all this hate, why would anyone dislike such honest, hard working, fair minded peoples?

Because morons like you are jealous of Israeli success....and America's backing of that success. But I understand your pain. Every time some useless Islamic faction attacks them, thousands of the clowns die, and few Israelis do. Well just sit back and watch what further success the future holds for the Israel/US alliance. And eat your anti-semetic heart out.

[scrimmage]

Caravaggio,Narcissus 1597

Smile

Posted on Jan 9, 2009
By Mr. Fish


By Romira, January 9 at 12:19 pm
However, you forgot to have him KNEELING as well. Surely his natural supplication to AIPAC would be representative. Regardless, its a lovely symbol of the truth as it is.


By Shift, January 9 at 11:57 am
Wow! Devastating !!!


By Bubba, January 9 at 10:57 am #
And no red in his face to show an embarrassed blush. Perfect.


By C Quil, January 9 at 9:33 am #
Brilliant as usual, Mr. Fish.





The Metamorphosis of Narcissus by Salvador Dali, 1937

According to some expert friends, the painting may have also been partly inspired by T S Eliot's poem "The Waste Land", the first world war (1914-1919), the Weimar Republic, the Spanish civil war, the stock market crash in 1929 and the subsequent depression of the 1930s:

1. The Waste Land was first published in 1922 and a key publication again made in 1936, the year before The Metamorphosis of Narcissus was completed;
2. The painting's subjects are set in a rocky waste land, just as the poem's are;
3. The poem's main theme is death and decay with/without re-birth;
4. T S Eliot accompanied his poem with detailed notes explaining parts of its meaning and signifying how important the work was to him; Dali accompanied his painting with an explanatory poem again explaining parts of its meaning and signifying how important the work was to him.
5. There is a chapter in the poem named Burial of the Dead that may relate to the suggestion that the painting presents the death of Narcissus/vanity;
6. There is another chapter in the poem named A Game of Chess that may relate to the chessboard-like floor that the pedestal is placed upon;
7. There is a further chapter in the poem named Death by Water that may relate to the "death of Narcissus / Vanity in the pool of water" argument;
8. There is a further chapter in the poem named What the Thunder Said that may relate to the storm-clouds gathering in the top right of the painting; and
9. The poem was in part inspired by Ovid's Metamorphoses.

Mr.Fish,comments from:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item...sh_obama_gaza/
Dali/Narcissus from:
http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2...nation_of.html

[diggin'4gold]

Originally Posted by reanimator

Because morons like you are jealous of Israeli success....and America's backing of that success. But I understand your pain. Every time some useless Islamic faction attacks them, thousands of the clowns die, and few Israelis do. Well just sit back and watch what further success the future holds for the Israel/US alliance. And eat your anti-semetic heart out.

How little you know, caught up inside your own hate for anyone that is against zionism.

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by diggin'4gold

How little you know, caught up inside your own hate for anyone that is against zionism.

Admirable. And from someone who openly admits he hates Jews.

[diggin'4gold]

Originally Posted by reanimator

Admirable. And from someone who openly admits he hates Jews.

I have never in my life stated that I hate jews, I do however disapprove of the zionist protocols.

[scrimmage]

Gaza under fire

By John Pilger

Published 08 January 2009
Excerpts from:
http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-e...gaza-palestine

Every war Israel has waged since 1948 has had the same objective: expulsion of the native people and theft of more land. But why are we in the west silent on this truth?

Smoke and fire caused by explosions from Israeli military operations is seen on the outskirts of Gaza City, Thursday, Jan. 8, 2009.

"When the truth is replaced by silence," the Soviet dissident Yevgeny Yevtushenko said, "the silence is a lie." It may appear that the silence on Gaza is broken. The small cocoons of murdered children, wrapped in green, together with boxes containing their dismembered parents, and the cries of grief and rage of everyone in that death camp by the sea can be witnessed on al-Jazeera and YouTube, even glimpsed on the BBC. But Russia's incorrigible poet was not referring to the ephemera we call news; he was asking why those who knew the why never spoke it, and so denied it. Among the Anglo-American intelligentsia, this is especially striking. It is they who hold the keys to the great storehouses of knowledge: the historiographies and archives that lead us to the why.

They know that the horror now raining on Gaza has little to do with Hamas or, absurdly, "Israel's right to exist". They know the opposite to be true: that Palestine's right to exist was cancelled 61 years ago and that the expulsion and, if necessary, extinction of the indigenous people was planned and executed by the founders of Israel. They know, for example, that the infamous "Plan D" of 1947-48 resulted in the murderous depopulation of 369 Palestinian towns and villages by the Haganah (Israeli army) and that massacre upon massacre of Palestinian civilians in such places as Deir Yassin, al-Dawayima, Eilaboun, Jish, Ramle and Lydda are referred to in official records as "ethnic cleansing". Arriving at a scene of this carnage, David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, was asked by a general, Yigal Allon: "What shall we do with the Arabs?" Ben-Gurion, reported the Israeli historian Benny Morris, "made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand and said, 'Expel them'".

The order to expel an entire population "without attention to age" was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, a future prime minister promoted by the world's most efficient propaganda as a peacemaker. The terrible irony of this was addressed only in passing, such as when the Mapam party co-leader Meir Ya'ari noted "how easily" Israel's leaders spoke of how it was "possible and permissible to take women, children and old men and to fill the road with them because such is the imperative of strategy. And this we say . . . who remember who used this means against our people during the [Second World] War . . . I am appalled."

Every subsequent "war" Israel has waged has had the same objective: the expulsion of the native people and the theft of more and more land. The lie of David and Goliath, of perennial victim, reached its apogee in 1967 when the propaganda became a righteous fury that claimed the Arab states had struck first against Israel. Since then, mostly Jewish truth-tellers such as Avi Shlaim, Noam Chomsky, Tanya Reinhart, Neve Gordon, Tom Segev, Uri Avnery, Ilan Pappé and Norman Finkelstein have undermined this and other myths and revealed a state shorn of the humane traditions of Judaism, whose unrelenting militarism is the sum of an expansionist, lawless and racist ideology called Zionism. "It seems," wrote the Israeli historian Pappé on 2 January, "that even the most horrendous crimes, such as the genocide in Gaza, are treated as discrete events, unconnected to anything that happened in the past and not associated with any ideology or system . . . Very much as the apartheid ideology explained the oppressive policies of the South African government, this ideology - in its most consensual and simplistic variety - allowed all the Israeli governments in the past and the present to dehumanise the Palestinians wherever they are and strive to destroy them. The means altered from period to period, from location to location, as did the narrative covering up these atrocities. But there is a clear pattern [of genocide]."

[diggin'4gold]

Although Israeli politicians and their supporters in
the U.S. often claimed that the purpose of Jewish
settlements in the West Bank and Gaza is for Israeli
security, the quotes below give insight into their true
purpose—expanding Israeli territory and obstructing
peace, in violation of international law.

International law


"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer
parts of its own civilian population into the
territory it occupies." —Article 49 of the Fourth
Geneva Convention of 1949

"We consider these settlements to be contrary to
the Geneva Convention, that occupied territory
should not be changed by establishment of permanent
settlements by the occupying power".


President Carter (Q&A with American Jewish Press
Association, June 13, 1980, Washington)

"Since the end of the 1967 war, the U.S. has
regarded Israel as the occupying power in the
occupied territories, which includes the West Bank,
Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. The
U.S. considers Israel's occupation to be governed
by the Hague Regulations of 1907 and the 1949
Geneva Conventions concerning the protection of
civilian populations under military occupation."


—US Ambassador to the UN Pickering (27 November
1989)

Expansion and settlement


"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo.
We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards
expansion." —Ben Gurion

"Take the American declaration of Independence. It
contains no mention of territorial limits. We are
not obliged to fix the limits of the State."
—Moshe Dayan (Jerusalem Post, 08/10/1967)

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the
essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will
not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
—Yitzhak Shamir (Maariv, 02/21/1997)

"In strategic terms, the settlements (in Judea,
Samaria, and Gaza) are of no importance."
—Binyamin Begin, son of the late Menahem Begin and
a prominent voice in the Likud party writing in
1991. (Quoted in Findley, Deliberate Deceptions; p
159) Paul Findley notes that Begin added that their
importance was that "they constitute an obstacle,
an insurmountable obstacle to the establishment of
an independent Arab State west of the river
Jordan."

"Without [the settlements] the IDF [Israeli Defense
Force] would be a foreign army ruling a foreign
population." — Defense Minister Moshe Dayan (quoted
in Aronson, Geoffrey, Settlements and the Israeli-
Palestinian Negotiations; Institute for Palestinian
Studies)

"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear
message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the
River Jordan for future generations, for the mass
aliya [immigration], and for the Jewish people, all
of whom will be gathered into this country."
—Yitzhak Shamir ("Former Prime Minister Yitzhak
Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for
former Likud leaders"; Jerusalem Domestic Radio
Service, November 1990)


"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as
they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we
take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will
go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister,
addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-
wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will
be able to do about it will be to scurry around
like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." — Raphael
Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces
(New York Times, 14 April 1983)


Expulsion of Palestinians



"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian
refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary,
18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the
Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle
on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they
do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate
force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all
fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli
Defence Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983,
New York Times 14 April 1983.

"If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with
Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."
David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum
Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages.
You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and
I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist.
Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not
there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz
Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of
Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman.
There is not a single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address
to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon
repeated his question, What is to be done with the
Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a
gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin leaked
censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New
York Times, 23 October 1979.

"There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population,
even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more
effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who
believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out
surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over
those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and
have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the
character of the state which will henceforth be
Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15
percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as
early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph
Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department.
From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public
opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of
facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is
that there is no Zionism, colonization or Jewish State
without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of
their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14
July 1972.

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by
denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation
and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly
and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World
Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,
Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is
to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point
is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy
for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state
there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate
Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move
on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-
Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A
Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. "How can we return the occupied territories? There
is nobody to return them to." — Golda Meir, March
8, 1969

Violence and racism against Arabs



"May the Holy Name visit retribution on the Arabs' heads,
and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them, and
cause them to be vanquished and cause them to be cast from
the world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them, you must
give them missiles, with relish - annihilate them. Evil

ones, damnable ones." -- Ultra-Orthodox Shas Party
spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, in a sermon discussing
Passover and God's wrath at Israel's enemies, 8 April 2001.
Some months ago he distinguished himself by describing
Arabs as "snakes" whom "God regrets having created".

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon
Kapeliouk, 'Begin and the "Beasts"', New Statesman, 25 June
1982

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land
confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid
the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The
Koenig Memorandum"

Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the
completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab
population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri
Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs,
1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
"I am a black South African, and if I were to
change the names, a description of what is
happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank could
describe events in South Africa." — Archbishop
Desmond Tutu, during Christmas visit to Jerusalem,
December 25, 1989 (Ha'aretz; cited in Palestine
Perspectives, January/February 1990)

http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/snakebite/FamousQuotes.html

[diggin'4gold]

Zionism as racism

• “Both the process of expropriation and removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl in The Complete Diaries, Chapter I, p. 88.
• “The Palestinian refugees will find their place in the diaspora. Those who can resist will live thanks to natural selection. The others will simply crumble. Some of them will persist, but the majority will be a human heap, the scum of the earth, and will sink into the lowest levels of the Arab world,“ Near East Department of the Israeli government, 1948.
• “There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be left.” Joseph Weitz, the Jewish National Fund administrator for Zionist colonization (1967), from My Diary and Letters to the Children, Chapter III, p. 293.
• “The only good Arab is a dead Arab…When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle,“ Rafael Eitan, Likud leader of the Tsomet faction (1981) in Noam Chomsky, Fateful Triangle, pp 129, 130.
• “It is forbidden to be merciful to them, you must give them missiles, with relish - annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones. May the Holy Name visit retribution on the Arabs’ heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them, and cause them to be vanquished and cause them to be cast from the world,” Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, founder and spiritual leader of the Shas party, Ma‘ariv, April, 9, 2001.

In reaction to Yosef‘s statements, Interior minister Eli Yesha said supportively: “They reflected the overall state of thinking of the Israeli Jewish society.“

These five citations, from Herzl to the present, show that Zionism is, at root, a conscious war of extermination and expropriation against a native civilian population. In the modern vernacular, Zionism is the theory and practice of “ethnic cleansing,“ which the UN has defined as a war crime.

February 14, 2008

http://thephilistine.org/2008/02/14/...-few-examples/

[Doc Mercer]

Diggin:

is that Gere for your avatar?

[Joe Contrarian]

Originally Posted by diggin'4gold

I have never in my life stated that I hate jews, I do however disapprove of the zionist protocols.

You don't have to "state it" -- you just hate Jews.

I know it. You know it. And everyone reading this knows it.

You can't be anti-Zionist then turn around and claim you don't hate Jews.

This is one of the most intellectually dishonest statement we hear from the deplorable left.

Imagine if I stated that I HATE American buildings, HATE American government, HATE American culture....HATE the land Americans breathe on...HATE everything American...but oh btw, I love Americans and have no animosity toward them personally.

Got news for ya, Sparky -- ISRAELI JEWS voluntarily VOTE for those "Zionist protocols" you are so highly critical of. They do so because without them the state of Israel WOULD NO LONGER EXIST.

(And btw, this also why I don't believe there are any "innocent civilians" in Gaza -- these people voluntarily voted for the terrorist government that is now holding them hostage and is going to get them all killed!)

Therefore, you diggin'4gold, ARE very much ANTI-JEW because your ANTI-JEWISH delusional "protocols" would obliterate the state of Israel and therefore millions of Israeli J-E-W-I-S-H P-E-O-P-L-E.

You and your anti-semitic ilk are very much part of the problem and kindred spirits with Hamas, Hizbollah, Al-Qaida and the Islamofascists in Tehran.

I'm not embarrassed to say I want all of the above turned into the finest particles -- why can't you be honest and say the same?

Everything you have stated about Israel the enemy has said at one point or another -- EVERY LAST WORD.

There is no moral or intellectual difference between what you post and the lunatic rants of Nasralla or Ahmajnedad -- ZERO.

Stop "diggin" and lying to yourself. Embrace reality for once:

"I diggin4'gold hate Jews"

"I diggin4'gold hate Jews"

"I diggin4'gold hate Jews"



Feel better now?