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  1. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    I don't support this decision. I don't think they proved it was actual bonus abuse, or even attempted abuse. What the player posted today confirms my opinion. I honestly have not been following this one until last night.

    Oddsmaker is and always has been a crooked book run by....crooks. Maybe if I get in the mood later I will start bumping old threads with all of their past robberies that have never been resolved.
    I know ... I was 99% sure that you didn't support this decision.

    The only reason I brought your name into it is that Shrink, in his original post, threw your name out as someone he consulted with on his decision ... in effect, making it seem like you agreed with him.

    Being relatively certain that you didn't agree with his decision, I figured that you would come in and make your true feelings known ... and since Shrink respects your thoughts probably more than anyone else's, there's a now a good chance that he might rethink his decision.

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    Many books have vague rules they can use to blatantly steal money from players. It's always been this way and always will be.

    Shrink, although a totally different situation think about how you felt when the following below happened with SBG and how jimmymac feels today. At least you got some of your money back, he's getting nothing.


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    They stole $152,500 dollars from my post up account. They made up bogus bets that were never made which all lost. They claimed that someone must have stolen my password and made those bets. Their secretary informed me that she was instructed to go along with this ROBBERY after she finally quit working there. She was instructed to find the number of a phone booth in Virginia to demonstrate that the bogus bets came from that phone booth. One of their employees was beaten up badly in front of others to intimidate people who worked for them from speaking out. Their owner is a Dentist and a thief...

    I will stop here...

    Good Luck to you if you wish to continue with them but please don't come crying here that you were not warned...

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  3. #73

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    Don't know if the verdict is fair or not. Do know I would not reccomend Oddsmaker to anyone.

  4. #74

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    I have to say Shaven makes the most sense here by far

  5. #75

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    Takes guts to make this call, Kenny!

    I know you spent hours on it and wasnt easy to make.

    :thumbsup

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE SHRINK View Post
    Here is how bonus abuse is defined by oddsmaker under their rules...

    Bonus abuse may be defined as (but not restricted to) clients cashing out for the purpose of redepositing, or referring new accounts that they are using themselves...

    Once again, it is paramount that players read the rules before doing business with online sports books...

    The player clearly admits to referring the bonus to his Dad which I believe falls under the definition of bonus abuse as provided by Oddsmaker...
    Umm. Referring a bonus does NOT fall under that definition, genius. Are you insinuating that he was GOING to use the bonus on his fathers account to play himself? What a joke.

    Appreciate the "fair" judgment, Nostradamus.

  7. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisSollozzo View Post
    Takes guts to make this call, Kenny!

    I know you spent hours on it and wasnt easy to make.

    :thumbsup
    Don't bother with the sucking up, Fat Frank ... EOG isn't hiring.

  8. #78

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    Highway Robbery completed by oddsmaker another black eye for offshore gambling

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    This thread is sickening. I will NEVER play at any EOG sponsored book again.

    Shrink,
    Who the fuck made you the final judge in this case? Is that part of the deal in having your picture om their flyer, you get be the official stiffer of players? Don't you have a huge conflict of interests here? How much does oddmaker pay to have you endorse their shit stiff book on the flyer and how much did they pay you to announce this and rule in their favor? Once again why you got to decide is a joke and after seeing the email offer you'd have to be either a fool or paid off to side with them. You're a greedy pathetic old man either way. Do you really need the money that bad? PATHETIC

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    i do not play at oddsmaker...

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    they will never get a dime of my money after reading about this horseshit...

    jimmy's email....that he posted here...was pure 'marketing solicitation' by oddsmaker...they sought this player out...they had his information...not the other way around here...

    &

    the email did not state that this was a private offer...it also did not state that under no circumstances, should it be shared the with anyone else for referrals...oddsmaker soliciting jimmy, also did not instruct him to read their rules seeing as he would be a new customer...

    imo...

    jimmy did not read the rules...and when dealing with a crooked place like oddsmaker...one should read the rules...or do the smart thing and stay away from 'em...but they solicited him here...

    so oddsmaker should revoke his nickel free play, which is their right to steal...so that nickel is the equivalent of 250.00 in cash...

    subtract the two hundred fifty dollars from the 8400...

    &

    pay the man his 8,150.

    also...

    jimmy says 'sportsbook.com' is his place for action...

    i suggest...he posts a record of deposit history there...

    &

    clear up this nonsense that he was trying to 'take' oddsmaker to the cleaners for another measley nickel free play.

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    I hope this stiff discussion is going on in other forums....

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    Its to bad this case could not be heard by a really judge pretty cut and dry oddsmaker f ##k the player. But in the long run they F##k themselves 90% of the other forum and their posters are siding with the player cant see anyone sending oddsmaker any money in the future..

    This would be a case why offshore gambling should be regulated a panel of folks who are not receiving money from oddsmaker should make a decision not someone who is getting advertising dollars from them.

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    My deposit history at sportsbook.com would make people sick. 8k is an average weekend of deposits for me. If showing it would help I would do it. The shrink knows i am a big player. he knew about my betonsports account which when they went under i had 21k in my account i never received. Several times i had over 100k in my betonsports account before they went under.

    I am the furthest thing from a bonus chaser or abuser you will find.

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    It makes you wonder how many other "jimmymacs" are out there who's stories never make it to the forums.. A general rule of thumb: for every player's story you hear about on the forums, there are many, many others who get ripped off, but who's story never gets told..

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    the truth is this story will blow over and by football season other non suspecting customers will fall prey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymac24 View Post
    My deposit history at sportsbook.com would make people sick. 8k is an average weekend of deposits for me. If showing it would help I would do it. The shrink knows i am a big player. he knew about my betonsports account which when they went under i had 21k in my account i never received. Several times i had over 100k in my betonsports account before they went under.

    I am the furthest thing from a bonus chaser or abuser you will find.
    which is what i thought...

    a nickel free play isnt much action for you...

    with that kind of deposit history at sportsbook...

    oddsmaker needs to pay you something here...

    i hope you never give up your 'crusade to get paid'...

    times are tough...but something good eventually will come out of this.

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    I am out of options here. the shrink was my last option as he has great connections inside oddsmaker. I dont know how to continue my crusade. Im shocked to get nothing. i would have been happy with half even though i deserved the entire balance as i never intended to committ bonus abuse.

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    Ken, you should have consulted with me before rendering a verdict on this one. I believe I am more qualified to answer any questions on bonus abuse than anyone else you have consulted.

    It is not easy to determine intent when it comes to a possible abuse of a bonus. While you have boldly stated that it was JimmyMac's intent to abuse this bonus, you have shown no evidence that supports that. Simply forwarding the email does not show ill intent. A seasoned serial bonus abuser would have gone about this differently. Since JimmyMac stated that he was already up over 3k before the email was forwarded, surely he would have waited on a cashout before trying again with another (his father's) account. It is obvious to me here that JimmyMac was not being sneaky. He was having good results with his bets so he decided to share the information which led him to try out this book. Nothing on the email stated anything about the bonus being intended only for the individual on the original email. I believe JimmyMac thought he was doing a service for the benefit of the book by spreading the word about this seemingly generous book.

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    Lol at bonus abuse, its called, Ah fuk one of the guys we gave this bonus to actually won big instead of just losing it and making his real money deposit - Guess we need to pull one of our BS excuses out so we don't have to pay this guy and hope he doesn't make a scene.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    I am not bashing Reload's opinion on this issue in the least. I am simply stating that back when he was on payroll he seldom if ever disagreed with Shrink and would back him even if he said the grass was purple.

    Anyone that has back room access can tell you Shrink and I don't always see eye to eye neither do Mo and I. I am very opinionated and am more than willing to share my opinion on issues when I have one.

    However, Reload's response was tactless and another underhanded smack against Shrink. Not his first today or even this month.
    I don't see this to be an underhanded smack against the Shrink at all. He knew he would be on a big stage with this ruling of his and a LOT of people were going to disagree - not just me. I did not give my opinion just to pile on or try to stand out - it is simply my HONEST opinion. And the Shrink usually respects honest feedback as far as I have been able to tell over the years. I feel he is wrong in this decision and I explained numerous times why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timetopay View Post
    Not sure why everyone is so 100% with Jimmy.

    Obviously the guy was gonna try to fuck the book with the extra bonus. He got caught and this is what happens.
    wrong...

    just a classless... horseshit post...

    if you ever run a book...make sure you let the world know...so they can all stay the fuck away from you.

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    wvu i can not sum it up better than you just did....

    I would never have been so angry and gone to the forums if i was being sneaky and got caught as the verdict says. I lost my cool cuz i knew i did nothing wrong and Never intended to abuse the bonus. I even called when my acct balance was up to 3 or 4k and asked if i had met the rollover requirment and asked when i could withdraw and was told i met all requirments and could make withdrawal on june 22nd.

    only after my acct hit 8400 did this become an issue. there was several days in between the forwarding of the email and the accusation of bonus abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reload View Post
    I don't see this to be an underhanded smack against the Shrink at all. He knew he would be on a big stage with this ruling of his and a LOT of people were going to disagree - not just me. I did not give my opinion just to pile on or try to stand out - it is simply my HONEST opinion. And the Shrink usually respects honest feedback as far as I have been able to tell over the years. I feel he is wrong in this decision and I explained numerous times why.

    first you massage his cock and now you stab him in the back constantly

    nice work

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    wow is this a horrible decision.

    Shrink Im stunned to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVU View Post
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    It is not easy to determine intent when it comes to a possible abuse of a bonus. While you have boldly stated that it was JimmyMac's intent to abuse this bonus, you have shown no evidence that supports that. Simply forwarding the email does not show ill intent. A seasoned serial bonus abuser would have gone about this differently. Since JimmyMac stated that he was already up over 3k before the email was forwarded, surely he would have waited on a cashout before trying again with another (his father's) account. It is obvious to me here that JimmyMac was not being sneaky. He was having good results with his bets so he decided to share the information which led him to try out this book. Nothing on the email stated anything about the bonus being intended only for the individual on the original email. I believe JimmyMac thought he was doing a service for the benefit of the book by spreading the word about this seemingly generous book.
    Well stated, WVU. I think many players agree with your assessment.

    jimmymac24:
    I am out of options here. the shrink was my last option as he has great connections inside oddsmaker. I dont know how to continue my crusade. Im shocked to get nothing. i would have been happy with half even though i deserved the entire balance as i never intended to committ bonus abuse.
    I encourage you to not give up the fight because Oddmaker.com would prefer you do. The old phrase "The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, and the lie became truth" comes to mind. They would prefer the past erased and have this whole situation brushed under the carpet. But you are not the first one who claimed being ripped off by this book and others before you have had their stories washed away..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyMar View Post
    wrong...

    just a classless... horseshit post...

    if you ever run a book...make sure you let the world know...so they can all stay the fuck away from you.
    Just a note to let you know that TimeToPay changed his mind later in the thread, after reading the e-mail.

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    Also, wtf Jimmymac, 500 into 8400, why don't you start sharing those picks of urs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halifax View Post
    Just a note to let you know that TimeToPay changed his mind later in the thread, after reading the e-mail.
    yep...

    which is what i was pointing out...

    attacked the player without knowing any facts...

    pure state fair horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halifax View Post
    Just a note to let you know that TimeToPay changed his mind later in the thread, after reading the e-mail.

    thanks halifax

    I just assumed like every bonus/coupon/rebate/etc ever put out by any company it would state it could not be copied/shared/etc with family friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reload View Post

    Shrink and anyone agreeing with this should not be taken seriously anymore. I will not be depositing with Oddsmaker again no matter how many free calendars, hats, or magazines with the Shrink's picture on them that I get in the mail this season.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reload View Post
    I don't see this to be an underhanded smack against the Shrink at all. He knew he would be on a big stage with this ruling of his and a LOT of people were going to disagree - not just me. I did not give my opinion just to pile on or try to stand out - it is simply my HONEST opinion. And the Shrink usually respects honest feedback as far as I have been able to tell over the years. I feel he is wrong in this decision and I explained numerous times why.
    In bold is the underhanded smack in my opinion. As well as the sarcastic comment from earlier this morning that the reason it was delayed was for traffic.

    As I said, these are not the first off collar comments posted by you as of late, however these seem to be happening more and more often.

    Once again, I am not commenting on your opinion you are entitled to it, and have well explained the reasoning behind it which is to be respected as many have just voiced opinions without reasoning.

    So does this mean when you type something that others think is ignorant or a "bad call" of judgment that you should never be taken seriously again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyMar View Post
    yep...

    which is what i was pointing out...

    attacked the player without knowing any facts...

    pure state fair horseshit.

    so you telling me people didnt attack the book without knowing the facts???


    Read the other 5 threads on this if you are bored

  32. #102

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    guys,

    below is the first email i received about the issue they had with bonus abuse. it came the next morning after i got my account up to 8400. My favorite was the line about bothering them about withdrawing money. I called them ONE time asking about withdrawal policies god forbid. also notice that the original issue was with ME opening a second account. My dad opened an account and i offered to have him send his drivers license,etc to prove he is not me. we do not live together and its a different ip address.




    I need to discuss something serious with you. After you opened an account and got a FREE $500 bonus, you opened ANOTHER account and tried to claim ANOTHER $500 from customer support therefore avoiding us in VIP. Why would you try something sneaky like this? On top of it all the entire time you kept bothering us about withdrawing money. You may forfeit all your winnings from the first account. This has been forwarded to higher departments. I await your answer.

    Sincerely,

    Anthony Stewart
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    vip@oddsmaker.com

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    i cannot wait to hear mo's opinion on this...


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    An embarrassingly bad decision. Terrible.


    Keep spreading the word about what crooks Oddsmaker are, men. Let everyone know even weeks and months from now.


    Moral of the story is only play at the good books if you ask me.

    Oddsmaker = Crooks!

    I feel for you Jimmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timetopay View Post
    so you telling me people didnt attack the book without knowing the facts???


    Read the other 5 threads on this if you are bored
    this is the 'final verdict' thread...

    you attacked the player...

    'obviously' you were wrong.

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