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    LAS VEGAS — Move aside one-armed bandits. The casino floor is making room for game zones with over-sized popping dice, digital spinning Big Six wheels and virtual roulette with an eye on adding arcade-style video games in the not-so-distant future.
    As gamblers appear to be shunning stingier slot machines that don't offer as many payouts, game-makers and casinos are keen on coming up with the next big thing to keep people playing.
    The changing casino floor will be on full display this week at the industry's premiere trade show, the Global Gaming Expo on the Las Vegas Strip and in properties across Sin City in the coming months.
    Here's what the casino industry has been facing and their plans:
    Slot machines have long been suspected of keeping a tighter grip on the money gamblers feed into them.
    The proliferation of penny slots, in particular, with minimum and max-bets that far exceed a single copper coin and carry with them inherently worse odds at getting one's money back, has meant a gambler's wager doesn't last as long as it used to.
    Casinos across the country, with few exceptions, have been keeping more of what's wagered on slots, according to research commissioned by the Association of Gaming Equipment Manufacturers.
    Their bottom lines, though, haven't gotten an obvious boost. Revenue earned from slots has been on the decline for years. That's because gamblers may be walking away from what they see as a raw deal among other reasons, said Marcus Prater, executive director of the industry group.
    In Nevada, where the average payback on slot machines is 93.6 percent of every dollar wagered, machines must offer no less than a 75 percent average payback to the player. Most vary based on the minimum bets.
    Changing the hold — the amount the casino keeps — isn't as easy as pressing a button. Prater said it requires alerting regulators and switching out a chip in the machine.
    Tom Jingoli with slot-machine maker Konami and the association's president, said he hopes the survey's results spark conversations during the conferences between companies like his and casino operators, none of whom agreed to comment on the survey for this story except for the Downtown Grand near Fremont Street in Las Vegas. The CEO of that casino, Jim Simms, called the reasons for falling slot revenue, including slot-hold, "nebulous" and touted his casino's increasing rewards for loyal slot players.
    Casinos devote most of their gambling floor to slot and video card-game machines, though the number in Nevada has been dropping since 2005 by nearly 15 percent to 152,263 slot machines as of last year, according to Gaming Control Board statistics.
    The number of slot machines dropped 19 percent on the Las Vegas Strip.

    © AP Photo/John Locher In this Sept. 24, 2015, photo, JoAnne Santelli, left, and Beverly Aus play gaming machines at the Downtown Grand hotel and casino in Las Vegas. As gamblers move away from traditional slot machines, game-makers and casinos are looking at new ways to keep people playing. Whether it was the recession, worse odds of winning or disinterested would-be younger gamblers, the industry has realized they need to appeal to players wanting a challenge based on skill.
    This month, Nevada regulators approved rules allowing for a player's skill to play a role in winning, whether in part or in whole, which could lead to casinos looking a lot more like an arcade.
    Casinos such as MGM Grand have already redesigned parts of their floors to accommodate elaborate electronic versions of dealer-less table-games, including craps, roulette and stadium-style seating for baccarat.
    Justin Andrews, the casino's vice president of slots, said they've crunched the numbers and players on those machines are 11 years younger on average than players on the rest of the casino floor.
    "Millennials are more attracted to the electronic table games than the traditional slots," he said.
    Casinos aren't abandoning their most reliable and loyal gamblers who still prefer traditional slots, though, that often come decorated with the brands of popular movies and television shows. At the Global Gaming Expo, manufacturer IGT, for one, plans to debut TMZ, "House of Cards" and "Breaking Bad" licensed slots.
    Slot revenue still accounts for 61 percent of the $11 billion Nevada casinos earned from gambling in 2014.
    But casinos and game-makers are hoping to broaden their reach with an eye on the future.

    The Downtown Grand casino-hotel near Fremont Street is redesigning its casino floor with plans to add skill-based games akin to an arcade at its entrance sandwiched between two bars, one focused on craft beers, as early as January.
    Nearby screens would broadcast live sports and footage of e-sports where spectators watch video-game players compete for cash. The hotel hopes to eventually host its own e-sports tournaments, the "icing on the cake," for their casino floor, said Seth Schorr, chairman of Fifth Street Gaming which operates the casino at the Downtown Grand.
    Schorr also sits on the board of GameCo, a young company developing "video game gambling machines" for casino floors that will reward players who show some skill when playing first-person shooting or racing games, for example, with math behind the scenes that isn't entirely unlike video blackjack or poker.
    "They've gamblified them," Schorr said.
    Blaine Graboyes, co-founder and CEO of GameCo, said younger players aren't interested in a "passive chance-based" game. "This is really the opportunity for casinos to reinvigorate slots," he said.

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    Superhost from Caesars Steve Cyr changed the game in Vegas. Slot players are given more comps & respect than table gamers now.Thus the above continuing slot explosion.

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    Steve Cyr is at Westgate these days.

    As far as skill based games go there is going to be a ceiling (non-progressive) on
    top pays and max bonuses in order to assure a constant house edge on these
    machines. It does not appear that they will be beatable and that a "perfect" skill
    player will only be able to attain an approx 98% payback.

    Todays young fantasy sports and video game players are the new target
    suckers for the casinos.

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    Interesting info, per usual, from Voodoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo View Post
    Steve Cyr is at Westgate these days.

    As far as skill based games go there is going to be a ceiling (non-progressive) on
    top pays and max bonuses in order to assure a constant house edge on these
    machines. It does not appear that they will be beatable and that a "perfect" skill
    player will only be able to attain an approx 98% payback.

    Todays young fantasy sports and video game players are the new target
    suckers for the casinos.

    Played and examined these at a recent gaming convention, from what you stated, you appear to be spot on.

    ....from what I can tell, these will not, AS A WHOLE, be included in the games of advantage slot or VP players, but there may be certain rares instances where some of the games can become +EV, either directly from their design or through add-ons from a particular casino.


    At this point, nothing to get overly excited about with these games from a profit taking angle.
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    CNBC's related fluffy piece:

    http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000427185

    "Advantage slots" (as distinguished from VP) almost seems like an oxymoron, but I rarely have ventured outside sports betting in recent years with the time available.
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    Unreal that dudes beat slots by beating rngs

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